Please Help

[Phil Thompson]

Hi Today i smoked my first Salvia and lost it!

I wondered what happened and where i went. I was in a thought loop for the 5mins before i calmed myself.

I am still feeling waves of it after about 12 hours. Can someone please help me. I have been astounded by what i saw and heard and feel the need for some support.

I am ok, but my mind is buzzing with all the new questions spinning around inside my mind.

This message board is mind blowing. For so long i have had thoughts of my own and only now do i feel more comfortable with the knowledge, that i am not alone.

Others have the same desire as me to expand their mind and i am not going crazy!!!

Please

:confused:

[sidecross]

No one should have told you this would be easy.

Breaking Open the Head sorts out the curious from the intrepid. Like any revelation, psychedelics will question and shake the foundation. For some of us, I include myself, there is usually enough left over to rebuild a newer and a more sound foundation. Others may walk away with no need of any foundation; a few may go mad.

Human beings and their ancestors since the ability to recreate fire, about 1.4 million years ago, have stared into the flames and wondered. In this sense you are not alone, but the mystery is so vast I doubt if anyone ever takes exactly the same path.

[Argon Steele]

Welcome Phil!

yes this is a very nice little forum to talk about this crazy shit. The world and the human experience, the experience of the soul, is never ending and ever astounding. You will be OK.

I've never been able to get off on salvia, I think the doing is tricky, but I promise you "reality" will return. The question then will be, do you want it to?

tell us more about your trip

[PuristLove]

Salvia was the only drug to ever scare me so badly I flushed the rest of it. It can be a very intense, shattering experience. But it is one you will grow from. One thing I had to come to terms with about salvia is that the experience cannot be rationalized. At first, I tried to find metaphors and "meaning" in the experience... but that doesn't work. At least it didn't for me. What helped was to just let go, let it work on my subconscious and quit thinking about it. Now after over a year, I think I'm ready to go back. This time, I'm growing my own, bonding with the plant and planning to try chewing the quid first, instead of leaping into smoking an extract.

[Phil Thompson]

Thank you people....

I did manage to get some sleep in the end last night... after seeing more light streaks moving around than ever before!!!

Every time i start to try and remember what happened my body starts to build its self up with excitement again!! This was fine until i wanted to go to sleep... but i think i smoked to much skunk all day after the experience.. that did not help much i know.

As Argon asked for more... i did wish to tell on my first post but thought about waiting for a reply first.

For at least 10 years i have done LSD and K when ever i had the chance and the conditions where perfect. So Salvia to me was gonna be a new door for sure.

I ordered it from a web site, it came through the door Monday morning... Yesterday that is.

So i read the packet.. it told me to treat with respect, load the pipe and take a lung full.. do it five times in a row.. if i did this, i may not be back just yet!!

So i was by myself, nothing to do as i was resting from a trip to Switzerland for the weekend... i Dj Dance music, in underground clubs, mostly in Europe but more further a field recently.

I thought i was experienced enough to try Salvia... I said a prayer to the Salvia spirit and asked for a silver protection shield from my spirit friends and Guardian Angels... This was a very good idea and should be done when ever anyone is leaving there body at anytime. I am so glad i had a copy of 'Breaking open the head!! Anyway i read a little about Salvia before my trip.. and so thank full for Daniel's book.. with out it i would be ever more lost right now.. and not talking to you guys....

So i loaded the Bong... i only smoke pure Skunk from a Bong, this is what i live on.. and have done since my first trip to Florida in 95.. this was when i first got so stoned a few years after my LSD initiation...anyway that is another story. Basically i felt so comfortable with getting as stoned as i could.. it helped me so much with my musical production etc...etc..

So most of my living life i am on a skunk buzz..

Here i am, on my knees on the floor.. i filled the bowl up with Salvia, took a massive lung full..

BANG... at first it hit me before i could put the bong down.. i enjoyed it at first, thinking it reminded me of LSD traces. I'm not sure how soon i got there, but the next thing i know is i am stood up, stuck between the door frame of my living room, leaning my back shoulder on one side and my hand bracing me between the frame, sort of wedging me upright. Here i was stuck solid..

All i could see at first was a never ending sea.. like a 3d wallpaper of my arm.. This is very hard to explain as you know.. but i will do my best.. All i could hear was a voice in my head.. its difficult to remember exactly. I was looking around and suddenly felt 'Non Existent' ..... i felt like i was nothing in this vast, vast, vast expanse of images. I could hear this voice saying... "Welcome Phil, Your just like us.. look around.. we are all the same.." As i tried to look around there was infinite images of myself.. depending what i focused on.. I was looking out of my third eye i think.. i did a 360 degree look around and ended up looking right back at my own eye. This then made me think i was in a mental home and i was willing to accept that i was crazy and nothing at all was how i thought it was. As i was in this time loop, thinking the same thought over and over.. i can remember talking to myself saying.. "What?? really?? am i the same as you and in this sea of eyes, arms, watches... we are all connected and now is the time to understand that i have am infinite.. they are all mine and everyone else's in this universe.." As i looked... i felt like i was in a Mexican wave of thoughts, in the same loop as millions and millions of other eyes or arms, stuck... all going round in a cycle for ever and nothing was real.. i was just a thought.. the same as everyone in this vast power full Universe. This was a nightmare at first.. I fell into the Bedroom nearby, with the sense of nothingness.. the way i have described this to my Fiancée and friends is... When ever i gaze up to the stars.. i look on with amazement... i feel like i am nothing and unimportant in the vast expanse of sky.. looking at individual stars, trying to imagine what it is like there... you do feel very, very tiny.. To me this is what i was being taught to understand. At about this time i remember hearing my breathing... Shit!! i am alive... where am i what happened??

Soon i remembered that i had smoked a bong of Salvia, i felt the buzz filtering away little by little.. my body was in shock... my mind was trying to grab back the reality i knew before.. this was difficult... i always put music on if i have lost the plot.. it seems to train my thoughts somehow, stopping them from wandering to far. So after about an hour and a half, things where slowly, slowly returning to what i knew.. but my mind could not stop racing with new questions to be answered... so this is how i got led to this site.

The main problem i have that scares me a little at times, is the unknown of course.. now all my previous thoughts i had.. need to be re-vamped and up-dated... i guess this is where i now take time out and ingest all the information. Its when your mind thinks of dark stuff that i don't like. I understand there must be a balance between light and dark. Mad stuff pops into your mind, then you question it and discard it or keep it.. I know i am loved and looked after, my life is wonderful, i feel very lucky and thankful, that my life is how i want it and i do, do what i love to do. Its the Love that keeps me going in all aspects of my life...

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I hope i have not gone on to much and can share this with like minded friends. For me what happened yesterday was one of the biggest shocks to my mind ever in this lifetime anyway.. above all my other far, far out trips.. Salvia comes out on top for twisting everything.

So respect to the Salvia Divinorum plant kingdom and its entities. I have been reduced to nothingness and put in my place, i thought i new a lot, but now i only know a little. The Universe showed me who is boss.. i am just a traveller on a quest for knowledge and understanding.... in a Universe of others all with the same quest.

Peace + Love

PhilXXX

:rolleyes:

[daniel]

Hi Phil,

My first thought is what Kat Harrison said in my book, that Salvia is a water-loving plant and would not like to be smoked - the Mazatecs never smoke it, they put it in a cigar roll and eat it. My experiences smoking it have never been pleasant, yet my one experience using the tincture was extremely empathic and positive (I have not done it again, however, because the taste was terrible!). I recommend you at least try the tincture once -- it also comes on slower, mellower, and lasts longer.

Also make sure you have a sitter next time - you could instruct them to tell you something after a certain amount of time, so you will hear a friendly voice.

I don't mean to trivialize what you described, which sounds awesome and overwhelming, but it did remind me slightly of the scene in Being John Malkovich where Malkovich goes through the portal and ends up in a dimension where everybody is him, and the only word anyone says is "Malkovich." But of course, that movie is a trip flick if there ever was one.

My own suspicion is that Salvia is one substance that will ultimately need to be taken ritually and we will have to adapt some of the Mazatec practices and their respectful attitude toward it.

[Phil Thompson]

Thanks,

I understand you, maybe i should have smoked a littel less then? How much should you eat if i was to try that then?

The amount i smoked was very little.. what you decribed in the last pages of your book was spot on. I only wish i read that bit before my trip!! I do believe everything happens for a reason.. if we are guided then i guess this is the experience they wanted me to have first.

like your guy in the back of your book who took an accidental overdose of salvia... it was meant to be.. that experience was such a high light, it would always be the story told for others to learn from, just like myself.

I agree i should have had my mate with me for guidence, this was un responsible of me. My mistake was i was skeptical of the hurb in the tube as it was from a web site and had no idea of the power of it!!! I was only gonna have a tester.. but it 'broke open my head' in a way i never expected.

They should change the lable on the packaging, i may email them, or you could advise them?

you can get all this stuff from www.herbalhighs.com (http://www.herbalhighs.com)
www.weedcity.com (http://www.weedcity.com)

So thanks for all your help, i would be lost with out it.. time to cool off and let things sink in.

Also thanks to this message board.. who needs TV or papers when there is so much to take in here.

[K.J]

I suggest that anyone interested in Salvia should do their research. There is a glut of commercial places selling salvia that don't provide the buyer very helpful info.

I strongly suggest checking out Daniel Siebert's site at http://www.sagewisdom.org. I purchased his tincture and had very positive experiences with it.

Jeremy

[Joshua30]

I see these sites selling savia and other herbs - is it legal to buy these in the States?
I live in maryland and would like to try them, but I'm a litle apprehensive.

[Joshua30]

I meant salvia

[daniel]

salvia is legal or at least not illegal at the present time across the US, but there is a new bill circulating in Congress that will outlaw it, so order soon if you want to try it.

dp

[joejoe]

Hi Today i smoked my first Salvia and lost it!


Others have the same desire as me to expand their mind and i am not going crazy!!!

Please

:confused:

Hi,
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[joejoe]

This forum is all about legal highs.
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