K

[Halfglass]

K is alot like DXM. Spirit-world-contact (Indian Native-Amerricans (bye eeeot chot chetay aaa ee ooh moa!))

[silentwolf]

I think I'll stick with the mushrooms, tobacco, ganja, and cacti at this point...though if the opportunity presents itself to perform a ritual with ketamine, I may not pass it up. It's hard to gauge that sort of thing at this distance.

[Halfglass]

Mekennna was a shroom head but he never understoood the closed-eye trip.

[Halfglass]

Mekennna was a shroom head but he never understoood the closed-eye trip.

[daniel]

halfglass,

I don't understand that comment about McKenna at all?? He recommended taking mushrooms in darkness, in large doses, with closed eyes, rather than using them to experience nature.

as for K, I think it is deeply luciferic - it pulls people out and away to seductive and glamorous realms and tries to compel them to return again and again. It is the only addictive psychedelic. I would say it is likely that the entities over there want to make use of the human energy system in some way. I consider ayahuasca and k to be spiritual opposites - k makes you weaker, and ayahuasca strengthens your soul.

[sidecross]

McKenna did recommend silence and darkness and he had thought “K” to be a poor psychedelic because it segregated the experience of taking it from the values of the person experiencing it.

Ketamine has been used as a battlefield medicine because of this fact. If your leg just got blown off, Ketamine would be administered not to ease the pain, but to ease the thought of the meaning of loosing your leg.

[silentwolf]

I've personally noticed that light can completely destroy a mushroom trip. When I was sitting in the bedroom relaxing and wondering at the sights before my eyes, I was amazed by the rippling, ebbing and flowing carpets of colors dancing before me ~ and a little thirsty. When I walked into the kitchen to get a bit of tea, I turned on the light and BAM! I couldn't see or feel anything. When I returned to the dark, however, the visions also returned.

The mushrooms were really helpful for me personally after that ten day post-surgery run on hydromorphon...they brought me back to where I was feeling "right" again, and I didn't feel so "off."

[Charlie]

Halfglass:

I know your “pukin’ plants” comment was made tongue in cheek, but I’m glad you brought this topic up.

You’re quite the fearless psychonaut, and in one way, I’m glad people like you exist to push the envelope and chart these waters, BUT…

How do you know you won’t be sacrificed on the altar one day? DM Turner drowned in a bathtub while on Ketamine; John Lilly ended up a ketamine junkie, and the internet is full of DXM disaster stories. Perhaps your character/chemical makeup is strong enough to resist addiction to these substances, but each time you take one of these trips, how do you know you’ll come back mentally whole?

In contrast to these relatively new, manmade chemicals, plant substances like ayahuasca and peyote have been used ceremonially for thousands of years. Personally, I feel a shaman's presence is necessary as well, for two main reasons: to psychically “scrub down” beforehand, and gently open that psychic door, and more importantly, to slam that mother shut when the trip's over. For me, closing the ceremony properly assures that any gooey entities, blown-open chakras or other free-floating mental paraphernalia all get put back on their respective shelves.

I’m not criticizing you for your entheogenic choices—I just kinda worry about you.

[ March 21, 2005, 12:25 AM: Message edited by: Charlie ]

[nanouk]

did you all read about the synthetic cocaine, that has been in circlation since the mid-nineties?

as beetlejuice would put it: "schpookeeeyeah!"

[Isaiah Mpski]

Ritalin is one form of synthetic cocaine Nanouk.
I find it utterly ridiculous that we put the growers of the real thing out of business and push the synthetic form on kids by the millions.
They are even pushing it on the old-timers now to make them have more energy at the expense of wearing out their hearts.

[ March 21, 2005, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: Isaiah Mpski ]

[Phlash]

Originally posted by silentwolfxvx:
The mushrooms were really helpful for me personally after that ten day post-surgery run on hydromorphon...they brought me back to where I was feeling "right" again, and I didn't feel so "off."I can really relate to this. On one occasion I had taken some E on a New Years Eve. While the trip was fun, the days after were dark. For the first and only time in my life I seriously questioned my need to exist in this realm. I was depressed, to say the least.

A week later I ate some mushrooms. The next day I felt I had knocked the darkness of the E's after effects out of my system. A friend often likens eating shrooms to hitting the reset button on the mind. I agree.

[Halfglass]

I'll post my long answer forsthwith.

[Halfglass]

WAHT I wanted to say was there is an inherent danger in doing hard trips. But one needs not fear death either. Pushing the bounds is a gamble. I say suck me off if one can't take the heat. (I mean this in a loving way to the people that know me enough to know I'M HALF KIDDING.)
Peace out dan C..

[Halfglass]

ALSO DANIEL: WHAT I MEANT ABOUT McKENNA WAS HE MISSED THE POINT ON DOING SHROOMS... THAT is he's alittle behind when it comes to truly Seeing the OTHER. SEE MY BOOK FOR MORE DETAILS. Peace and love Dan.

[ March 24, 2005, 08:08 PM: Message edited by: Halfglass ]

[silentwolf]

Eh, I saw the other without the aid of any of the Sacred Teacher Plants, and I found it most bizarre but totally acceptable. I've found that the Plants are best used for me personally for organizing my perspective on the world, for uncovering things that I am hiding in my mind, and for giving me a new outlook. It's different for each of us.

[Halfglass]

Silent: I wonder if you saw the plasma flowers, ran down the Ancetor corridoors...or went into THE Dream chambers...or simply stood back on an LSD trip and realized it was COMET to the soul.

[Halfglass]

bump peace out.

[silentwolf]

Halfglass, I do those things sober. It's one of the benefits of being schizophrenic.

[Halfglass]

Silent...LoL! (I can dig that.)

[Led_Zeppelin]

I was listening to Terence McKenna on a lecture tape once mention Ketamine. He mentioned that he didn't like it. Specifically, because it took away all consciousness of being yourself. He stated you could have the whole damn house burning down around you and you wouldn't know it. You wouldn't budge or lift a finger to save yourself. He made the analogy of a cork in a sea of water. You are the cork. The water is psychodelics. You may "briefly" be submerged or overwhelmed into your psychodelic experience for a very brief period of time. But you pop back up quickly and go "yoo hoo.. here I am.." I infer that he meant with special K you are submerged during the whole experience. He says Ketamine is bad news. So I stay away.

[Henry]

I'v never hear that anaolgy, I have heard that It is a new synthesized psychedelic and going into its space is like going into a big empty office building alone, while whith mushrooms or ayahuasca you are in a starship or something with the presense of all the other shamen who have explored these spaces before. This is interesting because his use of LSD produced no visions but really strange thoughts while his use of morning glories produced fantastic visions not unlike his use of mushrooms(jungles deserts cities starships IE other worlds)
I have thuroughly gaven thought in the difference he stated that plant hallucinogens put you in contact with a sort of alien other while synthesized psychedelics increse global noise(or something to this effect) I wonder what anyone else has to think, or if this should go into its own thread.
I know daniel you have stated otherwise, and maybe some substances bridge the gap. Your DPT visions are horrificly beautifull to read, But its presense outside of them changed and charged how you viewed and interacted the world. I would love to hear you speak about such experiences.

[ April 22, 2005, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: Henry ]

[dacarp]

Originally posted by Charlie:
Halfglass:

I know your “pukin’ plants” comment was made tongue in cheek, but I’m glad you brought this topic up.

You’re quite the fearless psychonaut, and in one way, I’m glad people like you exist to push the envelope and chart these waters, BUT…

How do you know you won’t be sacrificed on the altar one day? DM Turner drowned in a bathtub while on Ketamine; John Lilly ended up a ketamine junkie, and the internet is full of DXM disaster stories. Perhaps your character/chemical makeup is strong enough to resist addiction to these substances, but each time you take one of these trips, how do you know you’ll come back mentally whole?

In contrast to these relatively new, manmade chemicals, plant substances like ayahuasca and peyote have been used ceremonially for thousands of years. Personally, I feel a shaman's presence is necessary as well, for two main reasons: to psychically “scrub down” beforehand, and gently open that psychic door, and more importantly, to slam that mother shut when the trip's over. For me, closing the ceremony properly assures that any gooey entities, blown-open chakras or other free-floating mental paraphernalia all get put back on their respective shelves.

I’m not criticizing you for your entheogenic choices—I just kinda worry about you.

[dacarp]

i wish danny had listned to you