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08-27-2004, 02:30 AM
I have a friend considering participation in a guided ayahuasca ceremony. She has smoked 5meoDMT many times, but has never ingested N,N either by smoking or through a brew.
What are the differences and similarities between smoking 5meo and ingesting N, N orally (other than the duration).
Any other words of wisdom as she prepares to embark on this journey?
08-27-2004, 12:59 PM
I've never smoked, so I can't speak to the differences, but I would advise your friend to prepare by following a strict diet (for at least 3 days prior) free of all fermented foods, soy, chocolate, coffee, alcohol, etc. and rich in fruits, vegetables and grains. On the day of the ceremony she should fast for at least 6 hours before drinking.
She should focus on the work she wants to do. Daily yoga and meditation leading up to the ceremony has helped me a great deal. During the ceremony she should focus on breathing - when things get intense, breath.
We have all been talking a lot about overcoming fear on this board in various threads recently. Your friend will likely need to put that into practice. Approach the ceremony with humility and trust.
Well, suffice it to say that smoking 5-MeO is not going to prepare you for ingesting aya or smoking regular DMT.
5-MeO is an electric 'white light' kind of experience (generally speaking, by no means universal of course) which has a similar tendency to DMT to make one lay back and close their eyes and feel a rush that lasts only a few minutes before quickly baselining. Some effects of 5-MeO can really be quite remarkable: psychosematic pains and illnesses disappear instantaneously, everything from colds to toothaches to depressive symptoms. And if you take too much, which is easy to do, or have any antihistamines in your system, you may do some intergalactic flight a la DMT, but your body will very possibly be writhing in toxic spasmosis, and your friends will probably call the paramedics (unnecessarily, I might add). Yes, I'm drawing from personal experience.
The point is, smoking DMT is a whole different universe, even when it comes down to the physical act -- I've known plenty who could inhale 5-MeO, but DMT would get stuck in their throat the moment the plastic stench hit their senses. As for the full effects, they are infinitely more earth-shattering than the comparatively simple 'On-Off' mechanism of 5-MeO.
And, though I've never personally had the chance, ayahuasca seems to be an experience as different from smoking DMT or 5-MeO DMT as any other psychedelic.
As always, the bottom line is you don't know what's going to happen until it's happening (or more likely in this case, after it's over).
09-21-2004, 08:28 PM
i can answer my own question now per my friends' experience. she said it feels exactly the same as smoking 5meoDMT but for the duration. smoking pulls up all these programs, rips out the circuit board if you will, but then is over before any work is done. you must then spend the next few weeks and months working through the exposed circuitry in a linear timespace. orally ingested DMT is the same experience, but prolonged over 3-4 hours so you can look at the exposed circuitry and heal it while in the space.
in my friends estimation it is much preferable to spend a few hours in chapel perilous than a few months. bless Grandmother Ayahuasca!!
09-22-2004, 12:26 PM
It's interesting that your friend can relate the experience of Ayahuasca so closely to that of smoked 5MeO... Perhaps they 'feel' the same in many respects, but tell us what your friend's thoughts are regarding the -teaching- that occurs and also the aesthetic quality of the visions, for in my own examinations, these two are not even remotely close in those aspects.
I realize we are all very different, and there are so many variables to account for that difference, so I am just asking out of curiousity.
peace. and congratulations to your friend. Welcome to the Bosom of Abraham. smile.gif
09-23-2004, 02:01 AM
but tell us what your friend's thoughts are regarding the -teaching- that occurs and also the aesthetic quality of the visions, for in my own examinations, these two are not even remotely close in those aspects. my friend is finding that she seems to respond to both the 5meo and the ayahuasca very different than what other people she has spoken to react to it, especially the 5meo. she very often has extremely visual experiences with 5meo though is often told that 5meo is not a visual experience. in my opinion this is but one of many indications that we are dealing something a bit more than simply a chemical when working with both 5meo and N, N.
my friends response to the teachings and the aesthetic quality of the visions was, as i said in a post above, that the only difference was duration. she mentioned the tone or vibration that was the 'spine' of the experience, seemingly generating the dialation of consensus reality, initiating the visual and the tactile aspects of the experience, which in turn initiated the inner dialogues and cognitive processing.
09-23-2004, 06:09 AM
we are dealing something a bit more than simply a chemical when working with both 5meo and N, N.I'll stand behind that statement!
09-23-2004, 11:01 AM
just had a fun speculative thought... i wonder if they mayans embedded Quetzlcotl into a plant as a means to hide it during hostile times.. a kind of coccoon or hide out until it's reemergence upon the earth around 2000 ad. as we see the increasing use of hallucinogens over the past century and especially the increasing popullarity of Grandmother Ayahuasca over the last decade we are seeing Quetzlecotl reemerging from its slumber.
of course it could also be the the organism we all are a part of is secreting the DMT from it's pituitary in preparation for the coming death/change we're coursing very similar to the way humans secrete it during their own micro-death.
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