Rita is coming

[Lowlight]

Thought i would pre-empt the devestation by starting a thread for this new manifestation of the violent mother who is now purifying us. I wish i was joking.

Here is a good article on Rita by the venerable M.C.Ruppert.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/092105_rita_storm.shtml

Also here is a informative piece on the damage Katrina caused - much of which is not being overly reported in the mainstream news...

"[Now we begin to see the difference between what the markets produce with Peak Oil and what the infrastructure damage and underlying shortages produce. All we have seen since Katrina is market manipulation based upon the decision by the President to open the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and the International Energy Agency’s opening of emergency stockpiles. Just like the response of FEMA and the fact that Dick Cheney was out protecting oil infrastructure during and after the storm, the true priorities of government become clear: Protect the markets. Save the infrastructure. The people can wait. As G. Edward Griffin has written recently, FEMA did exactly what it was supposed to do.

Neither the initial post-Katrina spikes nor the much-ballyhooed drops in crude prices since have anything to do with underlying reality. The underlying reality is not fully known yet but this first glimpse pretty much convinces me that the world will see $80 oil before the year is out. Natural gas futures have already topped $14 per thousand cubic feet. Experts are warning of possible 50% increases in heating oil prices and we will see blackouts and significant death from cold here this winter.

All those stockpiles that were released to ease Katrina shortages – which have by no means been fixed – will have to be replenished over and above other production in 2006. Production that was coming through the Gulf from Mexico, Venezuela and other sources has been diverted to other nations because it cannot be stored. The countries (e.g. Spain, Portugal and others) which got the excess windfall are unlikely to give it up if New Orleans ever gets rebuilt. And the beleaguered and disingenuous Saudis are coming under increasing fire as the only extra oil they offer is heavy-sour crude which is useless to most refineries. Saudi oil is now being rejected around the world and the Saudis continue to cut its price while finding few buyers.

The naïve continue to spin all this as just a refinery problem. But those who have been following Peak Oil understand full well that new refineries won’t be built in any quantity. Why? The return on investment to pay for that is ever-more-remote. This has been known for at least 15 years and it won’t change now.

Now, we all watch with baited breath as Rita heads for the western part of the oil patch, which Katrina missed. I stand by my assessment that the American Empire will never recover from the storms of 2005 to resemble anything that we are familiar with, even the unholy mess it had become after 9/11. – MCR] (Mike Ruppert)

Oil Facilities in Gulf Defenseless Against Katrina's Fury
ABC News Granted First Look at Extensive Damage to Oil Rigs
Sep. 19, 2005

In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.

While Hurricane Katrina destroyed less than 2 percent of the crucial oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, oil production is down more than 50 percent because the damage to the oil industry is much deeper.

With waves 70 feet high and winds of 175 mph, Katrina inflicted massive damage to rigs in the Gulf. With fallen antennae and buckled platforms, some rigs are so battered they won't be pumping again for a long time, if ever.

Capt. Frank Paskewich, commander of the U.S. Coast Guard in New Orleans, took ABC News for an exclusive first look over the Gulf at the damage wrought by Katrina.

"That is the lifeblood of the industry," said Paskewich. "That's where you get supplies, you change the crews out, you get equipment that is needed to support daily operations, and when that is severely damaged, then you basically cut off the supply."

The damage is so extensive, Paskewich said, that some of the platforms are now lying on the Gulf floor.

It remains unknown how badly Katrina damaged the underwater oil pipeline system, but a preliminary count has found that of 140 damaged platforms in the Gulf, more than 40 are beyond repair.

Refineries, Roads, Storage Tanks All Damaged
All along the Mississippi River below New Orleans, it is evident how Katrina has hobbled the oil industry. Storage tanks have been knocked off their foundations, and oil refineries sit idle -- at least four will be inoperable for months. Spill crews have scrambled to clean up six different oil spills.

The only road to the region is still underwater in parts, and some areas are blocked by massive fishing boats, which were tossed around by Katrina. Many of the homes in the region, which belonged to oil workers, have been destroyed.

Oil production in the region is already off by 24 million barrels. With Tropical Storm Rita headed to the Gulf, there will be more delays in getting the platforms running. In the coming months, Hurricane Katrina will batter much more than the Gulf Coast, as fuel supplies are tight and prices remain high.

ABC News' Jeffrey Kofman filed this report for "World News Tonight."

Copyright © 2005 ABC News Internet Ventures

[willoweyes]

A friend of mine, the curator of the Rosenberg Library in Galveston, just called me. He left town at 1:30 p.m. Wednesday--he has travelled only 60 miles in 19 hours. He is still in northwest Houston at this point. He says every road is gridlocked, there is no gasoline to be had anywhere, and he's burned 3/4ths of a tank of gas already. He says people are going to be dying on the roads if something is not done. And he can't imagine what that something might be.

[willoweyes]

The evacuation is not going well.

[Agent Smith]

can you 'imagine' that there IS help for them somewhere?

can you 'imagine' a Deus Ex Machina helping all those people out?

are you willing to pray/imagine/dream to whom or whatever you're willing to pray/imagine/drea to for some help for these people?

are you going to let your ability to affect quantum phenomena be paralyzed by a media machine, and meme web designed to ensare you in a disasterous outcome, for an as of yet unmanifested future?

personally i 'pray'/'imagine'/'dream' to/with Gaia... and i send those prayers to the center of the Earth, and towards the center of the Galaxy...using my spine as the conduit...

which is WAY more information than i am comfortable just handing out willy nilly on a public forum...but it's time for some drastic measures...

if you afraid that Momma done, gonna spank ya... maybe you should use the Majik Word...

...PLEASE...

c'mon people we can do better than this.

if as daniel has requested, we are to take some of this ambient wisdom that floats in such vast quantities around here (and i wish you only knew how sciencerly i mean this... i've got fucking tears in my eyes you fucking assholes... fuck you, there's enough knowlege on these pages to make a difference...fuck you)

...if we are to self apply the information we already have, then become PROACTIVE, and PREACTIVE in Dreaming up a new alternative future Dream...

simply handing out shamanic bandages for a set in stone grim 'collectuve comeuppance' is pathetic...

[willoweyes]

I have not been able to reach my friend by phone for awhile now. But the last time I talked to him, I told him to siphon the gas from his wife's car, (his wife is following him) abandon it, and get off the highway--if he has to drive cross country. That's what I would do. At least he has plenty of water.

Agent Smith, I too listen to Gaia--but She doesn't obey me.

When the Hopi pray for rain, they pray with the active participation of earth; with the plants, with the animals. They are a conduit for a massive collective Will, crying for rain. And the time for rain is right.

Agent Smith, unfortunately my magical power is so weak, I can't even conjure a pimple off my nose. If I am due a pimple, a pimple I have. I might have avoided the pimple if I had avoided the chocolate milkshake yesterday--but I indulged myself.

I am praying for my friend--I love him. I am praying that the next 36 hours gives civil defense time to get in gear, and figure out a way to direct traffic out of Houston.

I am praying that all of us will exercise wisdom, generosity, and long vision in the days to come.

[forteanajones]

Doing what I can, I have been trying to remain focused on the positive and invoke visualizations myself, and yet fear of Ruin has always plagued me, especially in some of the personal struggles at home to protect my daughter from certain health and marital issues. This compounds my ability to project positive intent upon the world, as I am honestly fearful of being able to effectively shelter her from this Gaian cleansing.

Yet I am still doing my best, in part by teaching her as much as I can each day about respecting both the Mother and the Father, about understanding symbols and meaning, and enriching her knowledge as quickly as I can with myths and stories, and perhaps most challenging of all (she's a Leo) about how to project humility, love and compassion.

Last night we continued with d'Aulaires' Book of Greek Myths, and came upon a section dealing with Mother Earth and her endeavors to wipe out the anthropomorphic Olympian gods using her newly created Giants (fathered by the Sky). At first my daughter was surprised and confused but I did my best to explain that no one side was truly evil and it was all about balancing.

I feel there is so more that I could do, if only I had begun this kind of work and my own learning many years ago, and if only I were not so restrained by my material ties. But we can only do our best, and I pray that I can overcome these obstacles in time to do my part for the community and for the world.

[Agent Smith]

i didn't say it thought it was easy, and didn't say i thought there was a clear 'recipie' for reality manipulation on these forums...

Gaia doesn't 'obey' anyway... sometimes 'she' listens though...

who knows, every little bit helps...

...i have so many layers of genetic cynicism to overcome myself.

i do know things that work though, and there's more than enough stuff just laying around these forums not even being used...

by me.

which is why i might get a little snappish everytime i hear things like "The Earth is going to devour our heads, and then dookie them back out, and dribble them down our neck stumps" c'mon... we (us people on this board, as speices collectively) know this shit!!

i haven't got an exact road map... but i'm imagining that one is arriving by owl right this minute...

(and okay so i do have a clue)

(btw feel free to borrow my 'prayer/dreaming' tech, by vibrating out your 'imaginings' into the Earth's core, and center of the galaxy, and just see what happens, okay? that's the sort of stuff that i've found here... you guys teach me, okay?)

and i did begin this sort of stuff years ago... and everyday i learn something new that i wished i'd known in pre-school... you've got it NOW, and that's what counts!!

[ September 22, 2005, 08:55 AM: Message edited by: Agent Smith ]

[JCCamp007]

Just listening to some Beatles from1967p
All you need is love-from Sgt Pepper.
Isn't that a womderful thought.
I hope everyvody on the north dide of Houston opens their heart,minds,and homes to the people that need them now and you know they do.
Amen

Mpski

[Humming]

My best friend's mother lives in Huston.

Willoweyes, your post makes me very worried for her. I hope that she left earlier than your friend.....

So, anyone wanna take bets on the chances of declaration of martial law? I would be very suprised if this situation doesn't turn out exactly like New Orleans has.....

Here is more about the nuclear power plants. This could be a serious fucking disaster even beyond the hurricane damage if fallout is spread everywhere by 100 MPH winds.

Let us focus ourselves, as Agent Smith wrote, on projecting the best possible scenario for the situation to unfold.

A Warning to the People of South Texas
The Nukes in Rita's Path
By RUSSELL D. HOFFMAN

http://www.counterpunch.org/hoffman09222005.html

South Texas Project 1 and STP 2 are two nuclear power plants located just 90 miles SW of Houston. That's not very far if an accident occurs and radiation is released during 100+ MPH winds. There is no guarantee the plants can survive the conditions they are about to face.

STP's two reactors, and all the spent radioactive fuel stored outside the reactor domes in pools at the site, could be subjected to a category 5 (strongest possible) hurricane (ie, bigger than Katrina). Swarms of tornados are also not unheard of during hurricanes. A fuel tank or truck could, for example, be picked up and lofted into the spent fuel pools. The plants will be off the grid (if they aren't already) and operating on emergency generators, but these could be knocked out as well. The intakes or outlets for the cooling systems could be damaged or plugged. All of these are possible, but none of them are considered credible by the authorities.

Perhaps the most dangerous thing is the arrogance of the plant's operators. Local residents should simply not trust their lame assurances.

And they want to build more nuclear power plants in these poor, hurricane-stricken areas!

Who knows if the workers at the plants will stay to try to prevent problems? After all, they didn't swear an oath to faithfully do their job, as the cops in New Orleans did -- many of whom walked off the job during Katrina. But even if the nuclear power plant workers DO stay and try to keep things working, there may be nothing they can do, and they will just be committing suicide. Who knows what might crash into these power plants when Rita hurls its fury at them? Who knows what problems might occur, leading to a meltdown and massive radiation release?

Details of the two plants are shown below.

Ronald D. Hoffman, a computer programmer in Carlsbad, California, has written extensively about nuclear power. His essays have been translated into several different languages and published in more than a dozen countries. He can be reached at: rhoffman@animatedsoftware.com

* * *

South Texas Project

LOCATION: Matagorda County (nearest major city: Galveston, TX; 90 miles SW of Houston, TX; 8 miles west of Wadsworth, TX, 12 miles SSW of Bay City, TX)

South Texas Project Electric Generating Sta.: Unit 1

1,250 Mw

PWR/Westinghouse "pressurized to 2,300 pounds per square inch to keep water liquid at 600º F" (Source: STP web site.)

Spent fuel on site: 320 tons as of 1995.

Commercial start-up date: Aug., 1988

Current Status: Making waste

1982 CRAC-2 est. "Worst Case" Casualties: 39,000; Property Damage: $112 Billion

South Texas Project Electric Generating Sta.: Unit 2

1,250 Mw

PWR/W (See Unit 1 for information.)

Commercial start-up date: June, 1989

Current Status: Making waste

1982 CRAC-2 est. "Worst Case" Casualties: 39,000; Property Damage: $104 Billion

The Reactor Containment Buildings are 200-foot domes. The plant site is an official wildlife area providing habitat for several threatened species, including bald eagles, peregrine falcons, white-tailed hawks and alligators. (Source: STP web site.)

April 19th, 2003: "[A radioactive] powdery material was found April 12 on the outside of two instrument guide tubes where the tubes enter the bottom of the reactor". (Source: New York Times; Unit unknown.)

May 8th, 1990: Pipe crack in reactor at South Texas (Source: Greenpeace; Unit unknown.)

[Lowlight]

If Siva starts to dance who are we to stop Him?

This is the important question. I think Smith is right in a long term sense. We need to channel prayer and energy to the future and to manifest the fuure human, that which we can become. Aiming for that reality now may well be fruitless. Ive no doubt that we can effect the quantum soup through thought and prayer and therefore reality in turn...but we are not the only entelechies around. Humanity as it exists has failed. The earth is now making the neccesary changes and responses. Nietzsche taught joy in destruction. Siva dances the earth in and out of existence, Maha Kali devours her children. We must not forget transcendence as a polar opposite to the often much favoured immanence.

All this death may be neccessary. I pray for the indetermined future.

[Agent Smith]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lowlight:
[QB]If Siva starts to dance who are we to stop Him?

me. that's who...

seriously though, shiva is just a silly vedic concept/godform, and WE are INCARNATE in the HERE, and NOW.

we're the ones Dreaming this... abdicating responsibilty to 'the will of the gods' is just silly... they may be into that in inda, but the greeks say 'the gods love them best who help themselves' (Fuck! the gods are republicans!)
Aiming for that reality now may well be fruitless.

we can Dream as much help as we can muster though... Deus Ex Machina...in what whatever form that takes... as i've said before, there's enough information on this forum alone to turn the tide...

Ive no doubt that we can effect the quantum soup through thought and prayer and therefore reality in turn...but we are not the only entelechies around.

well, we're certainly not the only people actively Dreaming that's for sure...think about just exactly what it is that the endtimes fundies have been praying for... you can add your conginetive staws to that camel's back, but don't think that i'm going to make it easy for you fuckers... i'm using the short cuts i'm aware of, just like i know the republicans, and chinese red army/triads, and masons, and hollywood moguls, and corprate shamans are... i may have started off a little later than they did...but that's okay, my imagination is a bit more potent...

Humanity as it exists has failed.

which humanity is this you're refering to? we're one homogenous whole now? we all share the same aspirations, and Dreaming? damn, did my invite get lost in the mail?

the presence of the 'humans as error' meme in your Dreaming indicates to me that some folks have been very successful indeed.

The earth is now making the neccesary changes and responses.

hmmmm, would you enjoy being force fed purgatives i wonder? from my Dreaming Gaia isn't too thrilled about having to spew out both ends... especially since alternatives exist...

Nietzsche taught joy in destruction.

nietzsche was a syphlatic goon.

Siva dances the earth in and out of existence, Maha Kali devours her children.

again warped creations of a perverted culture (hmm, is there any other kind?) lent power by Dreaming humanity, and sustained by devious social control...

We must not forget transcendence as a polar opposite to the often much favoured immanence.

i never forget that 'transecendence' is another meme trap designed to devalue the object of destruction, and allow for the easy removal of an obstecle by the willing cooption of the target.

All this death may be neccessary.

necessary? who benefits? the 'Earth', or the folks who'd like to lease out your house once you've been exterminated?

we've got the tools to create a better Dreaming.

i'm using mine.

[daniel]

My perspective is that there is, ultimately, one consciousness, the subject in any and every subject/object split. We are, collectively, having this dream, with all of us assigned to play different parts in the tragicomic proceedings.

This is what I learned, painfully, through my Quetzalcoatl experience. If I am, hypothetically, embodying some archetypal energy of the god-form, this doesn't mean "I" have any power at all -- it is the consciousness itself, Brahman, that has dreamt me into this role, and everyone into their roles.

It is your quality of intention and your intensity of consciousness that shifts the situation. Any attempt to act out of fear or anger will simply backfire. The way to "change the dream" of humanity begins with acceptance that one has no control at all, which doesn't mean you shouldn't act. But it does mean that you are aware that all action is in a sense predetermined, and not willed by us but simply happening of its own accord. The Taoists talk about "action through non-action" being the only real form of action.

I think it is helpful to remember that the universe is a perfect work of art.

I also agree with the Dalai Lama who was talking about Katrina on Larry King, and noted that everything that happened was the result of karma - past patterns of action, feeling, and thought. We are beginning to see the karma of this country coming back to us - and this is also happening to each of us on an individual level.

[JCCamp007]

Yes,you sre right Daniel.And by using our collective energy we can literaly,in real time,steer the stom.
How many are things Johnson Vil,Holly's Harbor,Port Arther,Beaumont,LaFayette(which was my Mother's name)
Let's all try Johnson's Landing or just to the east.
Conecentrate mow all.JOHNSON LANDING<JOHNSON LANDON.Lou.

[JCCamp007]

I AM SHIVA SMITH.I am Baghvand.I am all the Transcendentalists rolled into one.

I prayed for all of this to happen.I predicted the tsunami of 12-26-04.

Send me your money or meet me in Tucson with your credit cards for I WILL CONQUEOR THE WORLD,says Lord Shiva.

[Agent Smith]

we are not one

but it's useless to tell that to the Borg, or dr.bronner.

i supose it's useful to pretend to understand taoism, and to project motivations of anger, fear, or ignorance on those whose opinions differ from ours.

go with the flow... no matter who set it in motion, or which direction they're intending it...

you're all like, just part of my movie man...

and that's okay... you're just not ready yet.

[Lowlight]

Smith i think you may be too human centered in terms of whats out there. Your sight seems to end where you eyes begin. Of course we do dream reality, but so do many other entities all of which are as real as we are, even though all including us are only relatively real.

As for stopping Siva's dance/the mothers wrath (which im sure as you suggest pains her), well its already begun. Im all for working/dreaming/praying for a better world but denying reality is useless. Violence is integral to existence (on a basic level), its like saying brothers are male, self evident once you understand that the world 'becomes'.

Yeah Nietzsche was probably nuts, but he was also a genius who gave conceptual birth to the West's twentieth century. Something to admire and despise.

Daniel - thats exactly the point, the world as art! we are all God's brushes, yet we still paint.

[Agent Smith]

hmmm, how nice of you to try to limit my cosmology for me.

especially when i've never shared it with this boar.

perhaps your concept of what it means to be human is what's limited?

there are plenty of other beings out there... the only ones i concern myself with are the ones here on Earth... and that's plenty enough thank you very much. just as they are not subservient to my will, neither am i any less improtant than any of them. dig?

Fuck the space brothers, the galactic white lodge, the archons, and a mckennasian machine elf.

this 'we're not worthy' shit gets old fast...

there's no point being objective when you're dealing with subjectivity...

this whole 'the mother's wrath'/'cosmic will' meme is part of the problem... how will you work WITH GAIA if you concieve of her as a hippie Kali Ma? it's bullshit... a pernicious fucking thought virus that infects way too many... they claim to love Nature, and rever Mother Earth, yet they are openly terrorized by her, and secretly wish her to destroy their enemies (which of course they subliminate, and deny that they even have any...) bullshit i say... Gaia as abusive mother... let me ask you lowlight, where's your 'wrath' when you get the runs? Humanity as unworthy infection... bullshit...

you been bamboozled, hoodwinked, snookered, they got you thinkin' you're more afraid of the invisble monsters, than they are of you... and it's BOOLSHEET!! them spooks are deathly terrified of losing your fear...

let me ask you, how do gods die lowlight?

broaden YOUR perspective lowlight, stop cowering in a hostile unresponsive universe... because if you EXPECT to be punished for whatever sins you imagine... you will be... hurricanes, tidalwaves, brown folks movin' into your neighborhood, white folks buyin' up your 'hood... you name it... literally...

YOU GIVE THE FUTURE IT'S NAME AND FACE

i am not an automaton playing a part, and you're only a marrionette so long as you accept your strings, and feed your puppeteers...

we're only having this discussion because i am convincing you to throw off the dead words of great men, and live your own lives...

you like, don't have any choice in the matter man, 'cause i'm like rewriting the script, directin', and starrin' in my own movie dude, and you're like supporting actors, who i'll replace at will, with actors who look nothing like you, but still playing the same rolls man, and like the audience won't even notice man...'cause like i'm the audience...dude...man...dude...

[Humming]

Agent Smith, a very interesting post. There are a lot of things I could comment on. Here goes:

"perhaps your concept of what it means to be human is what's limited?

there are plenty of other beings out there... the only ones i concern myself with are the ones here on Earth... and that's plenty enough thank you very much. just as they are not subservient to my will, neither am i any less improtant than any of them. dig?

Fuck the space brothers, the galactic white lodge, the archons, and a mckennasian machine elf.

this 'we're not worthy' shit gets old fast...

there's no point being objective when you're dealing with subjectivity..."

In my sense of cosmology, there is no seperation between "heaven", by which I mean the ethereal and wrathful acrhetypal manifestations, the god figures and "earth", which is the people and events that shape my daily life.

When you realize yourself and your own existence as an expression of the cosmic will, you see how the experiences of your own life and the things that happen to you often intersect and are affected in synchronous ways by the archetypal experiences that have been programed into the human experience by a kind of ever-present memory.

This has been called "the akashic record" or "quantum memory" but basically it is just an imprinting of the whole within yourself, and our lives are how we express that.

I don't think anyone said that you were more or less important than anybody. How does comparing you to a god make you less important?

When you describe Shiva as a "silly vedic concept/godform" you are denying the thousands of years of worship, reverence, and psychic energy that has gone into imprinting the collective psyche with the metaphorical concept of "Shiva", the same imprinting that may affect my dreams of him when I meet him or view him or think of him in this incarnate experience.

"Ive no doubt that we can effect the quantum soup through thought and prayer and therefore reality in turn...but we are not the only entelechies around."

I do not abdicate to the will of the gods, I try to realize my own will and my own experiences as an expression of the whole; all of the entelechies that exist are manifest in me.

Just ask JCCamp007 about being Shiva. He seems to know what's up.... :D

"how will you work WITH GAIA if you concieve of her as a hippie Kali Ma?"

Its funny that you say that, because I actually met Kali at Burning Man. She was about the same physical age as me, with a fearsome and ferocious intensity in her projection of self. At night when we went walking around she wore a mask, a purely white mask with eye holes and some threads of pipecleaners on top to symbolize when she used to wear dreadlocks. Watching her dance like that was extremely intense. You can imagine her acting out the same archetypal rituals that have been acted out by humans since the beginning.

She is Gaia also. Humanity is certainly not an unworthy infection, as you said, but rather we are the direct manifestation of the biological lineage of this planet. We are the Gaian mind, right here and now, even in these conversations. And knowing her in this sense, I can certainly work with her.

Agent Smith, I agree with you that we need a "new dream" or a "new mythology" as Terence McKenna said.

So how do we go about doing this?

[ September 24, 2005, 08:22 AM: Message edited by: Humming ]

[Humming]

Also, my friend says that her mother has been unable to leave Huston. I am extremely concerned for her safety. I feel sure that the aftermath of this hurricane will echo what happened in New Orleans, so that the people who do survive will have to live through a hell afterwards.

I am going to keep her and all those people in my thoughts today and do what I can in this way. I hope other people will too.

[ September 24, 2005, 08:26 AM: Message edited by: Humming ]

[willoweyes]

Humming, my friend in Houston has two flat tires and an empty tank. He has eight roofing nails in his tires. I have advised him to procure two bicycles and head back to Galveston. He is not listening; he is too ensorswirled by the shit he has packed to the gills in his car.

And who knows, he may be perfectly right.

John never made it out of Houston, because Houston was ordered to evacuate before the Galveston people could get through town. John says no one he knows from Galveston made it to their destination.

Why didn't they divide the city up into sections and allow the poeple to evacuate by sections? Emphasizing, of course, that residents had 48 hours to see which way the hurricane was heading, and whether it lost strength--before the whole frigging country panicked.

Even though my everyday mind tells me things will return to normal in Houston by Monday, I have to wonder why Dubya chose to spend the weekend at NORAD headquarters in Colorado Springs. He said he chose that course, "So I can stay out of everybody's way." A noble sentiment, Mr. President.

[willoweyes]

I have to add, I expect to be punished for my sins. If I drink and smoke, I expect my body will shuffle off its current veil quicker than expected (however we choose to view death, most of us admit it probably represents a drastic change in our lifestyles). If we drink and smoke up the environment, I expect the environment will react.


Perhaps if we didn't call it punishment for sins, but instead said something like, "Ye will reap what you have sown," it will go down easier.

Harsh as this message is, it seems to be the rule around here.

[Agent Smith]

[In my sense of cosmology, there is no seperation between "heaven", by which I mean the ethereal and wrathful acrhetypal manifestations, the god figures and "earth", which is the people and events that shape my daily life.]

*sigh* i'm not even sure i know where to beging to respond to this point... or make my position clearer... cosmology is a tricky point... how you look at it deffinitly affect's it's 'shape' and behavior towards you IME.

since you referenced 'heavan, and Earth' i'll mention this little piece... in classical Chinese cosmology there is "heaven", "earth", and "man"... "heaven" being the 'cosmic' forcese, and could also be seen as the astrophysical pheomena... so the 'tao of heaven" relates VERY loosely to our concepts of 'cosmic will', and the hermetic laws, like 'cause, and effect'. the 'tao of Earth' relates to our ideas of 'nature', the natural world, Gaia, ect....'the tao of man', relates to 'society', and 'civilization'... a crude interpertation of this can be explained that the Taoist philosophies (there are thousands of) are mostly concerned with 'heaven' and 'earth', and that Confucious was trying to posit a social philosophy (which was later totally hijacked...but that's a different thread altogether.) ...this is such a complicated subject, but to simplify i'll just say that i feel like it's time for humanity to step up and integrate our society with the natural world, and that so called 'cosmic principles' (ie. 'the laws of cause and effect') probably the fastest, easiest, most fool proof ways of accomplishing this...

[When you realize yourself and your own existence as an expression of the cosmic will,]

ugh! again it's tough to compare, and constrast concepts... my beef is with those who equate 'cosmic will' with dieties, personalities, and such... does 'gravity' have a 'will', or are we generally subject to it's effects? just like the 'laws' of physics 'cosmic law' has it's excetpions...i think of them as more like 'guidelines', of which we understand only a little bit... until a few years ago the 'laws of aerodynamics' as we understood them posited that bees, and other winged insects shouldn't be able to fly... eventually it was discovered that the bees take advantage of the 'laws' of aerodynamics in a way we hadn't envisioned...

claiming to understand the mind of 'god' doesn't make it so... especially when there are those of us who understand that 'gods' are just other entities who really get a kick from our mistaking them for the 'cosmic principles' which govern the phenomenal world...

[ you see how the experiences of your own life and the things that happen to you often intersect and are affected in synchronous ways by the archetypal experiences that have been programed into the human experience by a kind of ever-present memory. ]

'programmed' by whom i might ask? retreating back up the chain of causality to 'archtypical ultimate godhead' is a copout in my subjective experience, right?

[This has been called "the akashic record" or "quantum memory" but basically it is just an imprinting of the whole within yourself, and our lives are how we express that.]

interesting thing about the 'akashic record', although you 'can' get objectively verifiable information from it... you are also viewing beings 'ideas' about things, so the perceptual filters can be quite confusing, and it can be very easy to fool yourself into believing your own (or something else's) shite... this is a common occurance among the Remote Viewing crowd...

Probably one of the BEST things i learned from my studies of the Golden Dawn materials/histories was that when you've been contacted by the 'Great Akashic Brotherhood of White Light', or are under attack from the "Reverse Universe Masonic Black Lodges" you're probably screwing up, and you're deluding yourself.

[I don't think anyone said that you were more or less important than anybody.]

c'mon people are constantly saying 'i as an individual am insignifigant in the great scheme of god's perfect unfolding of his delightful beautiful magnificient creation' on this board, broad generalizations of a universality of experience infest this place like mold spores... 'we're all this...' 'we all that...'

i'm not taking that as a 'personal slight' btw... i'm just making a rhetorical stand here to interject a different perspective...

[How does comparing you to a god make you less important?]

i think lowlight mentioned several times how we were powerless in the face of 'siva' and 'the wrath of the mother'... this is my attempt to reverse that memic misconception, which i believe has been engineered, and indoctrinated into the collective psyche for very specific, and cynical reasons, by specific, and cynical beings...

[When you describe Shiva as a "silly vedic concept/godform" you are denying the thousands of years of worship, reverence, and psychic energy that has gone into imprinting the collective psyche with the metaphorical concept of "Shiva",]

hell yes. godforms are created, and programmed for the convience of their operators, and sometimes these concepts were, and are not created with the 'common worshiper's best interests' at heart... (this is a generalization there are deffinitly other forms of spirits that have independent existiences...)

sometimes also entities like to misrepresent themselves...

[ the same imprinting that may affect my dreams of him when I meet him or view him or think of him in this incarnate experience.]

well yes... and now we're getting into some really tricky territory here, because these things operate at many different layers, and on different levels...

for the record, i haven't got any particular beef with the concept of 'shiva' as i understand it of all the indian cults that's one that i understand, and can vibe with the most...however using the meme of 'shiva' to justify one's position, especially pushing a 'trancendentalist' prespective of denying physical incarnate experience honks me off (as you might have noticed) ...this is a general additude i have about gods...

["Ive no doubt that we can effect the quantum soup through thought and prayer and therefore reality in turn...but we are not the only entelechies around."

I do not abdicate to the will of the gods, I try to realize my own will and my own experiences as an expression of the whole; all of the entelechies that exist are manifest in me.]

hmmm. well i am a discreet incarnate entity, my will is my own, and i root out less useful cultural meme strains where i find them, and adjust my experience accordingly. our experiences might not be reflective, this is a much vaster universe than most are willing to experience, and there are many, many, many different types of beings, and currents running simultaneously... we're NOT all on the same teams...

we are differentiated from the whole for different reasons, infact 'the whole' is virtually meaningless, and pointless to discuss... except as a rhetorical device, and tool to usurp individuality, right?

[Its funny that you say that, because I actually met Kali at Burning Man.Watching her dance like that was extremely intense. You can imagine her acting out the same archetypal rituals that have been acted out by humans since the beginning.]

hmmm, it's funny you should mention that, because as a HARDCORE Internal Martial Artist (as in train till you're covered in blood--how many taiji practitioners do you think do that, eh? smile.gif ) i might be a little more intamately familiar with 'the dance of creation and destruction' than you'd think... i kick ass in real time. and embody Energies in my OWN PHYSCIAL being, and understand how the Material creates, and amplifies the Etheric, from direct personal experience as a bio-etheric generator... (reich's work on orogone points in a useful direction...

which isn't to say that i'm something special... i'm just trying to give you guys a new prespective on what's possible, because i'm sick of this 'Gaia's gonna spank us, 2012 means were all gonna die, except those of us who are ascended toaster struddel masters' stuff i read here all the time ... (just read through the 'Peak Oil' thread)

you've got Power, start redirecting it!! (because you're Power is always 'on'... either you're controling it or directing it..or you believe what you see on Fox)

[She is Gaia also.]

hmmm, funny i had that same vision 15 years ago... Black Gaia howling for vengence, deputizing me as her own special 'agent'... funny thing about all that, eventually i had to shed my nihilistic 'mad max' punk persona, and tactics in favor of stuff that's even more effective... Sun Tzu doesn't advocated scorched Earth tactics too often...

[ Humanity is certainly not an unworthy infection, as you said, but rather we are the direct manifestation of the biological lineage of this planet.]

well i knew there was some common ground here somewhere...i quite agree... following the dictates of 'alien gods' (xenobiological spores rained down from space IMHFO) has royally screwed us... there's a serious biological component to all of this btw...

[ We are the Gaian mind, right here and now, even in these conversations. And knowing her in this sense, I can certainly work with her.]

well here's the thing... Gaia isn't alone... Micheal Pollan makes the assertion that plants have been manipulating humans just as aggressively as humans have been manipulating plants...('the botany of desire') in a NYT op-ed piece he makes the assertion that 'agriculture' is just a biological strategy that grasses have used to manipulate humans into defeating trees for them... hmmmm... grains, and 'civilizations'? does the rise of agriculture coincide with the rise of city states? national gods?

[Agent Smith, I agree with you that we need a "new dream" or a "new mythology" as Terence McKenna said.

So how do we go about doing this?]

i dunno, has hollywood been careless in it's narcissim about leaving their trade secrets laying around willy nilly? do we have a global communications network at our finger tips? can we steal the 'promethean fire of the gods' away from Disney's 'Imagieneers', and repourpose the same cultural tools that the corperations have been using to coopt our visions for decades now?

you tell me... Do we have the intelligence and imagination to do these things, or are we a 'failed speicies' doomed to let those who would 'transcend the matierial plane' at the expense of the biosphere have their apocolyptic Dream...

whose Dreaming is stronger?

(that's a rhetorical question, in case my habitual sarcasm has become too dead pan)

(ps. my Dreams have teeth, and they're hungry....)

[ September 24, 2005, 10:47 AM: Message edited by: Agent Smith ]

[Agent Smith]

willoweyes- reading elsewhere on the net i learned that some well known, serious practioners of voodoun's houses were 'miraculously' spared destruction... things like this happen all the time...

pray/Dream...whichever you know how to do best, that the best possible solution will manifest itself for your friends, if you feel you're able...

www.scienceofgettingrich.net (http://www.scienceofgettingrich.net) and www.sciencefobeingwell.net (http://www.sciencefobeingwell.net) outline a very practical effective philosophy for how to get this done (applied to those two topics admittedly, but you can extrapolate off of them, and adapt them to your needs.)

i'll be throat singing for your friends, and the rest of the population of the affected areas tonight from a rooftop in brooklyn... every little bit helps...

i scinerely believe that the 'news media' is a memic propagandistic black sorcery weapon, being weilded to great effect in this country (and around the world) during this time...

*sigh* intellectualizing is fun... action is MORE FUN... and Sexier to boot!

if you can Reframe 'sins' as 'effects', and 'consequences' it might help disentangle some of the moralistic judgemental aspects of your experiences... just a though... ('punishment' is something you 'deserve'. 'effects' are things you can act on, and alter through your actions...) hope that helps a little

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[Lowlight]

"Gaia as abusive mother... let me ask you lowlight, where's your 'wrath' when you get the runs? Humanity as unworthy infection... bullshit...

you been bamboozled, hoodwinked, snookered, they got you thinkin' you're more afraid of the invisble monsters, than they are of you... and it's BOOLSHEET!! them spooks are deathly terrified of losing your fear...

let me ask you, how do gods die lowlight?"

I dont subscribe to the 'humanity is infection' theory. But our actions can work with nature or against and currently they manily work against, or at least in a very short sighted way. Myopia is often humanities greatest crimes.

Gaia as abusive mother? Yes she is sometimes, though not all times. There is no need to paint Her with one face right? Also the abuse, or rather violence is part of the process. An occasional reaction to how we act. This isnt really that hard to see being played out. We have already been spanked! Its just a question of how much more before we stop destroying the planet.

How do Gods die? over time like everything else i should imagine. I dont view higher beings of any kind as being all powerful/all knowing, rather just as beings of a different nature more powerful, less powerful, benign, malign or any other way we can talk of them in that sense.

I certainly dont submit to any God. I only form relationships with those who from my experience are positive energies. To negate them completely is madness. You talk of working with nature yourself so i guess we do have common ground.

Gravity? hmmm it may well be conscious for all i know. May be we just dont have the language to talk to it?

The problem with message boards is that any post is only a slice of what someone is trying to say. Some of your harsher responses to things i have posted in the past have been due to me not being able to post up eveything i believe or question in one post (not possible right?). I may speak of wrathful mothers all day, but I may also be using that as an incomplete device for understanding a process that is still unfolding. No of us have 'ANSWERS' here, really we only ask questions that guild us to common ground and hope for renewal.

The other problem with these boards is that the tone of posts is hard to judge. We can read what people say but not how they say it. Graemlins only provide a slight look into the tone and i hate using them anyway.

[Humming]

To bring the topic back to its original intent, it seems that Huston was spared by hurricane Rita.

Many blessings for that! I am so relieved.......

[Agent Smith]

no, no Humming. we should never lose sight of the fact that 2012 is going to kill us all... one by one like teeagers at a slumber party massacre...

willoweyes-another really useful FAST tool is 'the amygdala click' which you can learn about over on www.neilslade.com (http://www.neilslade.com)

cheers

[Agent Smith]

hey, and on a serious note i just want to thank everybody who has, does, and will put their energy, and Dreaming towards a safe transition, and resolution to our world's challenges...

...whether there's a direct relation to causation or not.

thank you.

we know the building has to go...we can demolish it, dismantle it, light it on fire while we're still inside, or wait for it to collapse on our heads...

i vote for dismantling, that way we might be able salvage, and recycle some of the more useful ideas...

[Lowlight]

http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=uri:2005-09-26T120430Z_01_SPI946169_RTRUKOC_0_US-RITA.xml&pageNumber=0&summit=

The damaged is probably aroound the 10 billion mark which is a lot less than Katrina but still a body blow to an ecomony already stretched by war and nature. also we wont know the ful damage to the oil infrastructure for a few weeks. The high winds can cause a lot of damage to the rigs and indirectly to the pipelines.

I think it is only possible to dismantle the structure if it is done from the top down, an unlikely event. Any attempt to dismantle from below could bring increasing oppression. Im not sure what the best way is. Maybe setting up self contained communities that are self reliant - could also refuse to pay tax and not vote etc. The Zapatistas may be instructive here in the way that they have bypassed local law et al and attempted self government without recourse to BIG government. It a big step to take though.

[Agent Smith]

how about affecting reality SIDEWAYS Lowlight?

can you imagine that?

...so i was over at a friend's house the other night, and he was flipping through some channels on cable, he got to a station that was supposed to be playing 'the 700 club' and he started playing it to get my goat...

...only there were some sort of music videos playing...

the first one was some pretty rigtheous funk, so he kept it on for a minuet trying to see if the '700 club' was showing a christian music video, since we're both interested in propaganda, and it's implementation in this world of ours we watched a bit of the music video show... it took about 15 minutes to discern, but it turned out to be a paid program of soft peddled christian rock, and 'hip-hop' videos... not in your face evangelical stuff... subtle (but decidedly 'vanilla' in flavor) cultural subversion through youth culture...xian punk rock is rebelious, and dangerous...to the devil yo!

Pat Robertson is one of the most powerful wizards of our age... think about it, the guy uses 'prayer' to directly affect the outcome of reality, and enlists the same abilities of thousands, he uses the modern 'Eye of Sauron' tele-vision to manipulate, and warp reality...

Harpers has done a pretty interesting series of articles on the modern evangelical christian movement, and it's implications... students of practical sorcery will be rewarded by paying attention to how it's all being done... these people have my gruding respect for their ability to get practical results for their Dream...(which of course is antithetical to mine)

Can we take small, consistient steps towards manifesting our Dreams? can we find others who share our Dream, and work with them to create the world we want to live in?

Do we have the Imagination to Dream ourselves AROUND the percieved obstcles, and challenges we face?

[Lowlight]

I think all we do is try and manifest our dreams. Its what humans are best and worst at. I dont know whether small steps are the answer, those in power have a dream that may send us back to dark ages sooner or later so i figure the counter dreaming needs to be done pretty consistently and and quickly, though not in a rash sense.

Sideways? i think that is a different way of saying an intelligent upward affect on reality. Overt attempts to 'bring it down' will have the predictable effect - fred hampton anyone? Maybe subversive ways would be more productive.

One thing i am skeptical of is the content of such statements (not yours, i mean it in a general sense) as 'dream the future you want to see'. This talk can degenerate into new age bullshit faster than the pentagon can mislay 2 trillion dollars. Most revolutions fail because they know what has to be changed but not what it has to be changed to. The content is never there. what is it we muct dream? what is it we muct collectively dream? what is even mean my dream?

peace

[sidecross]

Sideways is not a family member of sidecross.

[Isaiah Mpski]

I am replying to several posts at once.
I'/ve done my morphia for today,my xanax and my vitamins and am now getting ready to climb into bed with Eve for hopefully a wonder full night of sleep and dreams.
Smith(or was it Humming)has it right.We have to fulfil the myths of those who have experienced all of this before.
I am not strickly Christian but feel-as was de Chardin,Christ carreied alot of Karmic energy.
Some of the most important sounds that Christ muttered were given to us as he hung,naked before his Mother and brethern on a wooden cross as much as any who came before or after.
The important thing is that he gave us the next step-the name- of the man who would climb upward and inward on the pyramid of the route to Heaven.
You couple these words -his last words-His will and testament with those of Revelation and it is obvious what is to come next.The Son of Woman.
I will guide us into an age of love of mankind for each other.Love of truth,of justice and most of all reality,which begins and ends with Scientific truths which started Galia(sic) and will end-for most-with her.
I read the things which Daniel put up about Shamanism for the first time tonight.
Daniel do you think being pluged into the wall socket 200 times qualifies as being struck by lightening?

[Agent Smith]

oh i defintily hear you on the newage manifestation bullshite end of things Lowlight...

...as far as content for Dreaming... the content i'm sharing with you so far is that i'd prefer a future where we come up with solutions to our problems rather than waiting for the Wrath of Dopey to finish us off...

towards that end i've pointed out that i feel like this website can be a WONDER resource in that direction...

we talk about cool GOOD things that are happening all the time... the bioneers for instance... Shamaness just brought up the topic of how a livefood diet can affect conciousness... there was a thread on here discussing gardening as a shamanic practice last week...

...my point isn't so much to give a specific Dream, or vision for all of you to adopt, at this point, as it is to point out that your Dreaming creates itself anyway, so you might as well choose it, get a response from the universe, and adapt accordingly...

hope that wasn't too newagey bullshit for you...

...and sidecross... i hear that sideways is looking for some back child support....hahaha...