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okster
11-06-2005, 06:34 AM
This might be some major good news:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0%2C3605%2C1627424%2C00.html

Fuel's paradise? Power source that turns physics on its head

· Scientist says device disproves quantum theory
· Opponents claim idea is result of wrong maths

Alok Jha, science correspondent
Friday November 4, 2005
The Guardian

It seems too good to be true: a new source of near-limitless power that costs virtually nothing, uses tiny amounts of water as its fuel and produces next to no waste. If that does not sound radical enough, how about this: the principle behind the source turns modern physics on its head.
Randell Mills, a Harvard University medic who also studied electrical engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, claims to have built a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than conventional fuel. Independent scientists claim to have verified the experiments and Dr Mills says that his company, Blacklight Power, has tens of millions of dollars in investment lined up to bring the idea to market. And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation.

The problem is that according to the rules of quantum mechanics, the physics that governs the behaviour of atoms, the idea is theoretically impossible. "Physicists are quite conservative. It's not easy to convince them to change a theory that is accepted for 50 to 60 years. I don't think [Mills's] theory should be supported," said Jan Naudts, a theoretical physicist at the University of Antwerp.

What has much of the physics world up in arms is Dr Mills's claim that he has produced a new form of hydrogen, the simplest of all the atoms, with just a single proton circled by one electron. In his "hydrino", the electron sits a little closer to the proton than normal, and the formation of the new atoms from traditional hydrogen releases huge amounts of energy.

This is scientific heresy. According to quantum mechanics, electrons can only exist in an atom in strictly defined orbits, and the shortest distance allowed between the proton and electron in hydrogen is fixed. The two particles are simply not allowed to get any closer.

According to Dr Mills, there can be only one explanation: quantum mechanics must be wrong. "We've done a lot of testing. We've got 50 independent validation reports, we've got 65 peer-reviewed journal articles," he said. "We ran into this theoretical resistance and there are some vested interests here. People are very strong and fervent protectors of this [quantum] theory that they use."

Rick Maas, a chemist at the University of North Carolina at Asheville (UNC) who specialises in sustainable energy sources, was allowed unfettered access to Blacklight's laboratories this year. "We went in with a healthy amount of scepticism. While it would certainly be nice if this were true, in my position as head of a research institution, I really wouldn't want to make a mistake. The last thing I want is to be remembered as the person who derailed a lot of sustainable energy investment into something that wasn't real."

But Prof Maas and Randy Booker, a UNC physicist, left under no doubt about Dr Mill's claims. "All of us who are not quantum physicists are looking at Dr Mills's data and we find it very compelling," said Prof Maas. "Dr Booker and I have both put our professional reputations on the line as far as that goes."

Dr Mills's idea goes against almost a century of thinking. When scientists developed the theory of quantum mechanics they described a world where measuring the exact position or energy of a particle was impossible and where the laws of classical physics had no effect. The theory has been hailed as one of the 20th century's greatest achievements.

But it is an achievement Dr Mills thinks is flawed. He turned back to earlier classical physics to develop a theory which, unlike quantum mechanics, allows an electron to move much closer to the proton at the heart of a hydrogen atom and, in doing so, release the substantial amounts of energy he seeks to exploit. Dr Mills's theory, known as classical quantum mechanics and published in the journal Physics Essays in 2003, has been criticised most publicly by Andreas Rathke of the European Space Agency. In a damning critique published recently in the New Journal of Physics, he argued that Dr Mills's theory was the result of mathematical mistakes.

Dr Mills argues that there are plenty of flaws in Dr Rathke's critique. "His paper's riddled with mistakes. We've had other physicists contact him and say this is embarrassing to the journal and [Dr Rathke] won't respond," said Dr Mills.

While the theoretical tangle is unlikely to resolve itself soon, those wanting to exploit the technology are pushing ahead. "We would like to understand it from an academic standpoint and then we would like to be able to use the implications to actually produce energy products," said Prof Maas. "The companies that are lining up behind this are household names."

Dr Mills will not go into details of who is investing in his research but rumours suggest a range of US power companies. It is well known also that Nasa's institute of advanced concepts has funded research into finding a way of using Blacklight's technology to power rockets.

According to Prof Maas, the first product built with Blacklight's technology, which will be available in as little as four years, will be a household heater. As the technology is scaled up, he says, bigger furnaces will be able to boil water and turn turbines to produce electricity.

In a recent economic forecast, Prof Maas calculated that hydrino energy would cost around 1.2 cents (0.7p) per kilowatt hour. This compares to an average of 5 cents per kWh for coal and 6 cents for nuclear energy.

"If it's wrong, it will be proven wrong," said Kert Davies, research director of Greenpeace USA. "But if it's right, it is so important that all else falls away. It has the potential to solve our dependence on oil. Our stance is of cautious optimism."

craazyman
11-06-2005, 11:24 AM
And we all thought it was going to be some Zero Point-Tesla machine reverse engineered from a UFO.

That's fascinating. There are so many unemployed technologies out there that can produce relatively cheap, clean energy or reduce energy needed to run things or produce tremendous efficiency gains in motors that our energy problem is far more political than technological anyway.

This one sounds a bit fishy to me. I hope so . . .But I have a hard time believing that 50 years of thinking by the most brilliant minds in Western Civ is about to go Poof. Either this guy is another James Clerk Maxwell or he's gonna be heading to Camp Fed for mail and wire fraud.

SecondSun
11-06-2005, 11:44 AM
If you think that's cool you should check out this bridge I'm selling...

willoweyes
11-06-2005, 01:54 PM
Readers who find this subject interesting might check out a 1999 article in the Village Voice at: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/9951,baard,11218,1.htmlk

It's more "in depth."

I'm currently reading Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything"; it reminds one that the history of science is littered with accepted truths that later turn out to be absolute hogwash. It also provides evidence that breakthroughs can appear in unlikely places. That said, I'd like to know what Dr. Mills has been up to the last six years.

sidecross
11-06-2005, 02:44 PM
Terrance McKenna often quoted his brother Dennis by saying ‘the bigger the bonfire the more darkness is revealed.’

Woodpecker
11-06-2005, 06:14 PM
The brighter the shadow, the darker the light. :cool:

craazyman
11-06-2005, 10:30 PM
Great article willoweyes. Wow, there's some serious folks involved with this. Yeah, I also wonder where he's been for 6 years. Sounds like the same stuff was being said in '99 as now.

On a similar vein, I recall back in the early/mid 1980s I was an absurdly young Wall Street stock analyst and there was a company that would regularly come around making presentations to potential investors. It was called Energy Conversion Devices, founded and run by a self-taught scientist right out of the "wild wavy hair and genius look" central casting mode.

He had some sort of patented technology that could dramatically improve solar energy conversion rates and it was going to revolutionize the energy and materials sciences industries.

Twenty years later, the company is still a public company, still run by the same guy and is still working on new materials that will revolutionize the energy and materials sciences industries. He's not in jail, but I'm not sure if he's ever made any real money or ever brought a blockbuster product to market.

SecondSun
11-07-2005, 01:42 PM
I'm currently reading Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything"; it reminds one that the history of science is littered with accepted truths that later turn out to be absolute hogwash. It also provides evidence that breakthroughs can appear in unlikely places. That said, I'd like to know what Dr. Mills has been up to the last six years.

I've read that book too. What Bill Bryson doesn't show you are the countless crackpot theories and perpetual motion machines that have been espoused and build respectively throughout the ages. For every breakthrough that came where we least expected it there are a thousand crackpot theories that never stood the test of time. For every revolutionary scientist who was shunned in his time there are a million lunatics who thought they could turn lead into gold if only they could get the king to fund their pathetic research. Long story short, if it sounds to good to be true, it's usually either a scam, a hoax, or just a guy with questionable methods and/or credentials.

Charlie
11-07-2005, 09:46 PM
Craazyman:

I took a look at Energy Conversion Devices…doesn’t seem like a sham. Take a look here:

http://www.ovonic.com/

Also, check your PMs...

craazyman
11-08-2005, 04:12 AM
Hi Charlie,

Thanks for your note.

Yes, Energy Conversion Devices is definitely not a sham. I wish I had a tenth of Stan Ovshinsky's genius and inspiration (or that of Mr. Mills). But I also suspect he's burned through at least half a billion dollars in investor capital over the past twenty years, maybe more. But the VCs have deep pockets & patience and there's no doubt serious folks think he's on to something huge.

Measured by modern accounting standards, I doubt it was much different when Thomas Edison/J.P. Morgan were doing battle with Nikola Tesla/Westinghouse 100 years ago.

Speaking of solar, check out a Nanosolar. It's a VC-funded private company that reportedly has a technology that can produce 5 cent/kilowatt hour utility baseload grade solar electricity--competitive with coal and nuclear.

There's no doubt some of these solar companies will be massive home runs, and some squashed gnats. The stocks have had a good run this year with oil and gas way up and the equity market still holding fairly firm overall, but it'll likely be a bumpy ride.

-C