kip
07-18-2006, 12:35 PM
Hi Guys,
I've recently been reading a pretty cool cultivation book "Zhuan Falun" which you can download for free here: http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.htm
In it they talk about all sorts of pretty radical and interesting stuff like the difference between a person's master soul and subordinate soul, the six levels of third eye vision, other dimensions, demonic and alien interference and many other things.
The thing that struck me as pretty amazing was the similarities between DMT experiences and some of the
cultivation states that one achieves by practicing Falun Gong, there were quite a few, here are just some of the similarities I have found:
1 )
The description given of reaching a certain state in Falun Dafa seems to kinda resemble the crysanthemum that mckenna and others witness under the influence of dmt.
Heres a excerpt:
"The gong column will be rather high then and a great deal of supernormal abilities will have been developed, all of which possesses a shape and form. The three flowers appear on the crown of the head, with one resembling a chrysanthemum and another a lotus.
The three flowers spin individually while revolving around each other at the same time. Each flower has an extremely tall pole on top of it that reaches to the sky. These three poles also rotate and spin along with the flowers. The person will feel that his or her head has grown heavy. At this point the person will only have taken the last step of In-Triple-World-Law cultivation"
and:
"At this stage, another cultivation state comes about, and it’s called “Three Flowers
Atop the Head.” It’s a really noticeable state, and it’s just striking. Even folks whose
Third Eyes aren’t that high can see it. There are three flowers on top of the head. One of
them is a lotus flower, but it’s not the lotus flower of our material dimension. The other
two are also from other dimensions, and they’re really beautiful and wonderful.
The three flowers circle atop the head, going clockwise, then counterclockwise, and the three
flowers rotate on their own, too. Each flower has a big pillar, and the diameter of them is
as wide as the flower. The three big pillars go all the way up to the heavens.
But they’re not gong pillars, they just take on this form, and they’re really amazing. If you see them
you’re sure to be stunned. When you cultivate to this stage your body is pure and white,
and your skin is smooth and delicate. When you get to this stage you’ve reached the
highest form of Triple-World-Law cultivation. But it’s still not the peak-you still have
to cultivate on further, you still have to go forward."
from:
www.falundafa.org/book/eng/flg_2.htm (http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/flg_2.htm)
And mckenna's version:
And you fall back into this hallucinogenic space, and what you see is a slowly rotating red and orange kind of thing, which, over the years we've nicknamed, uh, "The Chrysanthemum."
and:
"A chrysanthemum - a swirling floral pattern. Overlayed patterns of colours. You watch the chrysanthemum and if you've taken enough D.M.T., after about fifteen seconds, you are physically propelled through it into a kind of tunnel-like space. You seem to be catapulting forward through some kind of labyrinth-like, ubular, unfolding, coloured, fluctuating space."
2 )
This one involves something that Falun Gong Practitionars call the Falun, Here’s a description:
The Falun of Falun Gong is an intelligent, spinning body of high-energy substances. It rotates according to the order of the entire grand movements of the cosmos. In a sense, the Falun is a miniature of the universe.
In the center of the Falun there is a Buddha School symbol of srivatsa,(in Sanskrit, srivatsa means “the gathering of all good fortune” (refer to the Ci Hai dictionary)), which is the core of the Falun. Its color is close to golden yellow, and its base color is bright red. The base color of the outer ring is orange. Four Taiji symbols and four Buddha School srivatsa are arranged alternately in eight directions. The Taiji that consist of red and black colors belong to the Dao School, while the Taiji consisting of red and blue are of the Great Primordial Dao School.
The four small srivatsa are also golden yellow. The base color of the Falun changes periodically from red, to orange, to yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. These are extraordinarily beautiful colors (refer to the color insert). The colors of the central srivatsa and the Taiji do not change.
These srivatsa of different sizes rotate on their own, as does the Falun. The Falun is rooted in the universe. The universe is rotating, all galaxies are rotating, and so the Falun is also rotating. Those whose Third Eye are at lower levels can see the Falun spinning like a fan; those whose Third Eye are at higher levels can see the whole image of the Falun, which is extraordinarily beautiful and brilliant, and this encourages practitioners to cultivate more diligently and make faster progress.
Picture of the Falun emblem and a more in depth description:
http://www.falundafa.org.il/ver_01/engl em_eng.htm
And here is a DMT Report that sounds very similar to this Falun that is described above:
"I found myself being driven into this small square room with very real walls made of continuoulsy changing, sharp, perfect geometry. Everything was backlit like a fluorescent tube of pure cold light. So much movement. I began to realise that there was a wheel about two feet in diameter to the left of me. It was like a swastika with its outer arms rounded to form a wheel with four extra spokes in between. It also had a depth of about eight inches but this kept changing as it spun one way then the other, its geometric patterns also changing like a cuttle fish. Though it did not look like a being, I could feel it had personal intent, it was conscious! In fact, its movements seemed intended to fill me with one-way non-verbal information! Scary."
3 )
Heres a description in the Book of a high level enlightened being and it's characteristics:
"When a person gets to an extremely high level, after he’s gone beyond Triple-World-
Law cultivation, an eye that’s like a compound eye appears. To be more specific, a large
eye develops over the whole top half of his face, and there are countless small eyes in it.
Some Great Enlightened Beings at really high levels have cultivated an incredible
number of eyes, and they’re all over their faces. All of their eyes see out of that one large
eye, they can see whatever they want to, and when they look they see all levels at once.
Nowadays zoologists and entomologists study flies. They’ve seen that a fly’s eyes are
big, and that under a microscope they have countless small eyes in them. They call that a
compound eye.
When you get to a really high level that cultivation state might appear,
but you have to be way higher than a Tathagata to have that happen. An ordinary person
won’t be able to see it, though, and somebody who’s at an average level won’t be able to
see that it’s there. To them the person looks the same as a normal person since it’s in
another dimension. This is about breakthroughs in levels, or to put it another way, it’s
about being able to break through different dimensions."
And here is a piece of artwork of what this artist encountered while under DMT:
http://spectraleyes.com/gallery/artworx/spectraleyes_001
4 )
Here's another description in Zhaun Falun of enlightened beings in the higher realms:
"You know, in Tantrism Tibetan lamas take doing hand signs seriously. But if you ask a lama what hand signs are, he’ll tell you that it’s “meta-yoga.” And what exactly is that? They don’t know themselves.
It’s actually a language of Great Enlightened Beings. When there are a lot of people, they
make those large hand signs, which are incredibly beautiful, and they make all kinds of
large hand signs.
And when there’s a small audience they use the small hand signs, and
they’re beautiful, too, they use small hand signs in all kinds of poses, and they’re really
involved and rich since they’re a language."
And here's another artist depiction of a being in DMT space making striking yoya like hand gestures:
http://spectraleyes.com/gallery/artworx/namaste
5 )
Here's an excerpt from Zhuan Falun which talks about a certain cultivation state that occurs
after practising diligently for a while:
When you cultivate to this stage, your body has pretty much been transformed by
high-energy matter, or to put it another way, you’ve reached the highest level of Triple-
World-Law cultivation, and your mortal body has been cultivated to its peak. When you
get to this stage another cultivation state comes about. And which state is that? The gong
you’ve brought out is quite rich and plentiful, and all the supernatural abilities (innate
abilities) a human being has during cultivation of the human body, or, during Triple-
World-Law cultivation, they all come out, but most people who do their cultivation in the
setting of ordinary people are locked.
Also, your gong pillar has grown pretty high, and all forms of gong have been strengthened
by your powerful gong and become quite powerful. But they can only have an effect in this
dimension of ours, they actually can’t affect things in other dimensions, and that’s because
they’re just abilities that come out from cultivating our mortal human bodies. All the
same, they’re pretty rich and plentiful, they’re found in every dimension, and the different
forms a body takes on in different dimensions have gone through fairly big changes.
The things that the body has, what the body in each dimension has, those things are rich
and plentiful, and they look scary-some people have eyes all over their bodies, and even
all the pores in their bodies are eyes, they have eyes all throughout their whole dimensional field.
And here's a pic by Alex Grey which sounds very similiar to the description given
above:
http://alexgrey.com/shop/sophia.html
6 )
Here's an excerpt from the book on something they call "Cosmic Language":
Cosmic Language
"What is “cosmic language”? It’s about a person suddenly being able to speak gibberish,like mumbo jumbo, and even he doesn’t know what he’s saying. People with telepathic abilities can get the general idea, but they can’t make out the specifics of what he’s talking about. And some people can speak a few languages.
What’s more, some of them think they’re just incredible and think they’re really talented and have an ability. Let’s be clear, that’s not an ability, and it’s not a cultivator’s talent, and it doesn’t stand for your level, either. So what’s it about?
It’s actually that your mind is being controlled by a foreign spirit. But for some reason you think it’s pretty good, you like having it, and you’re happy to have it. And the happier you are, the tighter its grip on you.
If you think of yourself as a true cultivator, how could you just let it control you? And its level is really low. So a true cultivator shouldn’t invite this kind of trouble.
Human beings are the most precious, and they’re the wisest of all creatures. How
could you be controlled by those things? You don’t even want your body anymore-how sad! Some of those things latch onto the body, and some don’t latch onto the body but they still manipulate you and control you, even though they’re at a little distance.
When you want to speak it, they’re all too glad to do that, so you’ll go and spew mumbo jumbo. And it can be passed on-another person comes along and wants to learn it, he gets up his nerve and opens his mouth, and he starts spewing it, too. Those things actually come in nests, and when you want to speak it one of them will pounce right on your body and help you speak it.
So how’s that allowed to happen? Again, like I said, it wants to raise its level, but there’s no hardship over there so it can’t cultivate or improve itself. So they came up with an idea-to help people do good things for others. But they don’t know how.
Yet they do know that the energy they send out can have the effect of slowing people’s sicknesses down a little and relieving the pain sick people have at the time, but it can’t cure the ailment. That’s how it is, and they know that using a person’s mouth to send it out can have that effect."
And here are some excerpts from Mckenna's experiences:
1.
"And they're right here, and they're worse than in your face, because what they do is, they jump into your chest and then they jump out." ( In the book they mention " when you want to speak it one of them will pounce right on your body and help you speak it")
2.
"Instead, what happened was there was an encounter with what can only be described as an elf hive"
(In the book they mention "Those things actually come in nests")
3.
"And the creatures, the tykes, are singing. They are speaking in a kind of translinguistic glossilalia. They are actually making these objects with their voices. They are singing these things into existence. And what the message is, is 'Do what we're doing. You can do what we're doing. DO IT.' And they get quite pushy about this. They say, you know, 'Damn it, DO IT!' And you're saying, 'Bu...bu...bu...bu...' And they say, 'No, DO IT! Do it NOW! DO IT!'
And you say, 'I can't handle this,' you know, and then this kind of reaction goes on for awhile. Well, then, I actually, I don't take credit for it, it was not willed, but like something comes up from inside of you. Something comes out of you, and you discover you can do it, that you can use language to condense objects into existence in this space. It's the dream of all magic, but here it is folks, happening in real time. And then they're just delighted. They just go mad with delight and turn somersaults and turn themselves inside out and they all jump into your chest at once."
(interesting how the tykes so eager for a person to do it, this from excerpt (6) above comes to mind):
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"So how’s that allowed to happen? Again, like I said, it wants to raise its level, but there’s no hardship over there so it can’t cultivate or improve itself. So they came up with an idea-to help people do good things for others. But they don’t know how.
Yet they do know that the energy they send out can have the effect of slowing people’s sicknesses down a little and relieving the pain sick people have at the time, but it can’t cure the ailment. That’s how it is, and they know that using a person’s mouth to send it out can have that effect."
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[ July 18, 2006, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: kip ]
I've recently been reading a pretty cool cultivation book "Zhuan Falun" which you can download for free here: http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.htm
In it they talk about all sorts of pretty radical and interesting stuff like the difference between a person's master soul and subordinate soul, the six levels of third eye vision, other dimensions, demonic and alien interference and many other things.
The thing that struck me as pretty amazing was the similarities between DMT experiences and some of the
cultivation states that one achieves by practicing Falun Gong, there were quite a few, here are just some of the similarities I have found:
1 )
The description given of reaching a certain state in Falun Dafa seems to kinda resemble the crysanthemum that mckenna and others witness under the influence of dmt.
Heres a excerpt:
"The gong column will be rather high then and a great deal of supernormal abilities will have been developed, all of which possesses a shape and form. The three flowers appear on the crown of the head, with one resembling a chrysanthemum and another a lotus.
The three flowers spin individually while revolving around each other at the same time. Each flower has an extremely tall pole on top of it that reaches to the sky. These three poles also rotate and spin along with the flowers. The person will feel that his or her head has grown heavy. At this point the person will only have taken the last step of In-Triple-World-Law cultivation"
and:
"At this stage, another cultivation state comes about, and it’s called “Three Flowers
Atop the Head.” It’s a really noticeable state, and it’s just striking. Even folks whose
Third Eyes aren’t that high can see it. There are three flowers on top of the head. One of
them is a lotus flower, but it’s not the lotus flower of our material dimension. The other
two are also from other dimensions, and they’re really beautiful and wonderful.
The three flowers circle atop the head, going clockwise, then counterclockwise, and the three
flowers rotate on their own, too. Each flower has a big pillar, and the diameter of them is
as wide as the flower. The three big pillars go all the way up to the heavens.
But they’re not gong pillars, they just take on this form, and they’re really amazing. If you see them
you’re sure to be stunned. When you cultivate to this stage your body is pure and white,
and your skin is smooth and delicate. When you get to this stage you’ve reached the
highest form of Triple-World-Law cultivation. But it’s still not the peak-you still have
to cultivate on further, you still have to go forward."
from:
www.falundafa.org/book/eng/flg_2.htm (http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/flg_2.htm)
And mckenna's version:
And you fall back into this hallucinogenic space, and what you see is a slowly rotating red and orange kind of thing, which, over the years we've nicknamed, uh, "The Chrysanthemum."
and:
"A chrysanthemum - a swirling floral pattern. Overlayed patterns of colours. You watch the chrysanthemum and if you've taken enough D.M.T., after about fifteen seconds, you are physically propelled through it into a kind of tunnel-like space. You seem to be catapulting forward through some kind of labyrinth-like, ubular, unfolding, coloured, fluctuating space."
2 )
This one involves something that Falun Gong Practitionars call the Falun, Here’s a description:
The Falun of Falun Gong is an intelligent, spinning body of high-energy substances. It rotates according to the order of the entire grand movements of the cosmos. In a sense, the Falun is a miniature of the universe.
In the center of the Falun there is a Buddha School symbol of srivatsa,(in Sanskrit, srivatsa means “the gathering of all good fortune” (refer to the Ci Hai dictionary)), which is the core of the Falun. Its color is close to golden yellow, and its base color is bright red. The base color of the outer ring is orange. Four Taiji symbols and four Buddha School srivatsa are arranged alternately in eight directions. The Taiji that consist of red and black colors belong to the Dao School, while the Taiji consisting of red and blue are of the Great Primordial Dao School.
The four small srivatsa are also golden yellow. The base color of the Falun changes periodically from red, to orange, to yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. These are extraordinarily beautiful colors (refer to the color insert). The colors of the central srivatsa and the Taiji do not change.
These srivatsa of different sizes rotate on their own, as does the Falun. The Falun is rooted in the universe. The universe is rotating, all galaxies are rotating, and so the Falun is also rotating. Those whose Third Eye are at lower levels can see the Falun spinning like a fan; those whose Third Eye are at higher levels can see the whole image of the Falun, which is extraordinarily beautiful and brilliant, and this encourages practitioners to cultivate more diligently and make faster progress.
Picture of the Falun emblem and a more in depth description:
http://www.falundafa.org.il/ver_01/engl em_eng.htm
And here is a DMT Report that sounds very similar to this Falun that is described above:
"I found myself being driven into this small square room with very real walls made of continuoulsy changing, sharp, perfect geometry. Everything was backlit like a fluorescent tube of pure cold light. So much movement. I began to realise that there was a wheel about two feet in diameter to the left of me. It was like a swastika with its outer arms rounded to form a wheel with four extra spokes in between. It also had a depth of about eight inches but this kept changing as it spun one way then the other, its geometric patterns also changing like a cuttle fish. Though it did not look like a being, I could feel it had personal intent, it was conscious! In fact, its movements seemed intended to fill me with one-way non-verbal information! Scary."
3 )
Heres a description in the Book of a high level enlightened being and it's characteristics:
"When a person gets to an extremely high level, after he’s gone beyond Triple-World-
Law cultivation, an eye that’s like a compound eye appears. To be more specific, a large
eye develops over the whole top half of his face, and there are countless small eyes in it.
Some Great Enlightened Beings at really high levels have cultivated an incredible
number of eyes, and they’re all over their faces. All of their eyes see out of that one large
eye, they can see whatever they want to, and when they look they see all levels at once.
Nowadays zoologists and entomologists study flies. They’ve seen that a fly’s eyes are
big, and that under a microscope they have countless small eyes in them. They call that a
compound eye.
When you get to a really high level that cultivation state might appear,
but you have to be way higher than a Tathagata to have that happen. An ordinary person
won’t be able to see it, though, and somebody who’s at an average level won’t be able to
see that it’s there. To them the person looks the same as a normal person since it’s in
another dimension. This is about breakthroughs in levels, or to put it another way, it’s
about being able to break through different dimensions."
And here is a piece of artwork of what this artist encountered while under DMT:
http://spectraleyes.com/gallery/artworx/spectraleyes_001
4 )
Here's another description in Zhaun Falun of enlightened beings in the higher realms:
"You know, in Tantrism Tibetan lamas take doing hand signs seriously. But if you ask a lama what hand signs are, he’ll tell you that it’s “meta-yoga.” And what exactly is that? They don’t know themselves.
It’s actually a language of Great Enlightened Beings. When there are a lot of people, they
make those large hand signs, which are incredibly beautiful, and they make all kinds of
large hand signs.
And when there’s a small audience they use the small hand signs, and
they’re beautiful, too, they use small hand signs in all kinds of poses, and they’re really
involved and rich since they’re a language."
And here's another artist depiction of a being in DMT space making striking yoya like hand gestures:
http://spectraleyes.com/gallery/artworx/namaste
5 )
Here's an excerpt from Zhuan Falun which talks about a certain cultivation state that occurs
after practising diligently for a while:
When you cultivate to this stage, your body has pretty much been transformed by
high-energy matter, or to put it another way, you’ve reached the highest level of Triple-
World-Law cultivation, and your mortal body has been cultivated to its peak. When you
get to this stage another cultivation state comes about. And which state is that? The gong
you’ve brought out is quite rich and plentiful, and all the supernatural abilities (innate
abilities) a human being has during cultivation of the human body, or, during Triple-
World-Law cultivation, they all come out, but most people who do their cultivation in the
setting of ordinary people are locked.
Also, your gong pillar has grown pretty high, and all forms of gong have been strengthened
by your powerful gong and become quite powerful. But they can only have an effect in this
dimension of ours, they actually can’t affect things in other dimensions, and that’s because
they’re just abilities that come out from cultivating our mortal human bodies. All the
same, they’re pretty rich and plentiful, they’re found in every dimension, and the different
forms a body takes on in different dimensions have gone through fairly big changes.
The things that the body has, what the body in each dimension has, those things are rich
and plentiful, and they look scary-some people have eyes all over their bodies, and even
all the pores in their bodies are eyes, they have eyes all throughout their whole dimensional field.
And here's a pic by Alex Grey which sounds very similiar to the description given
above:
http://alexgrey.com/shop/sophia.html
6 )
Here's an excerpt from the book on something they call "Cosmic Language":
Cosmic Language
"What is “cosmic language”? It’s about a person suddenly being able to speak gibberish,like mumbo jumbo, and even he doesn’t know what he’s saying. People with telepathic abilities can get the general idea, but they can’t make out the specifics of what he’s talking about. And some people can speak a few languages.
What’s more, some of them think they’re just incredible and think they’re really talented and have an ability. Let’s be clear, that’s not an ability, and it’s not a cultivator’s talent, and it doesn’t stand for your level, either. So what’s it about?
It’s actually that your mind is being controlled by a foreign spirit. But for some reason you think it’s pretty good, you like having it, and you’re happy to have it. And the happier you are, the tighter its grip on you.
If you think of yourself as a true cultivator, how could you just let it control you? And its level is really low. So a true cultivator shouldn’t invite this kind of trouble.
Human beings are the most precious, and they’re the wisest of all creatures. How
could you be controlled by those things? You don’t even want your body anymore-how sad! Some of those things latch onto the body, and some don’t latch onto the body but they still manipulate you and control you, even though they’re at a little distance.
When you want to speak it, they’re all too glad to do that, so you’ll go and spew mumbo jumbo. And it can be passed on-another person comes along and wants to learn it, he gets up his nerve and opens his mouth, and he starts spewing it, too. Those things actually come in nests, and when you want to speak it one of them will pounce right on your body and help you speak it.
So how’s that allowed to happen? Again, like I said, it wants to raise its level, but there’s no hardship over there so it can’t cultivate or improve itself. So they came up with an idea-to help people do good things for others. But they don’t know how.
Yet they do know that the energy they send out can have the effect of slowing people’s sicknesses down a little and relieving the pain sick people have at the time, but it can’t cure the ailment. That’s how it is, and they know that using a person’s mouth to send it out can have that effect."
And here are some excerpts from Mckenna's experiences:
1.
"And they're right here, and they're worse than in your face, because what they do is, they jump into your chest and then they jump out." ( In the book they mention " when you want to speak it one of them will pounce right on your body and help you speak it")
2.
"Instead, what happened was there was an encounter with what can only be described as an elf hive"
(In the book they mention "Those things actually come in nests")
3.
"And the creatures, the tykes, are singing. They are speaking in a kind of translinguistic glossilalia. They are actually making these objects with their voices. They are singing these things into existence. And what the message is, is 'Do what we're doing. You can do what we're doing. DO IT.' And they get quite pushy about this. They say, you know, 'Damn it, DO IT!' And you're saying, 'Bu...bu...bu...bu...' And they say, 'No, DO IT! Do it NOW! DO IT!'
And you say, 'I can't handle this,' you know, and then this kind of reaction goes on for awhile. Well, then, I actually, I don't take credit for it, it was not willed, but like something comes up from inside of you. Something comes out of you, and you discover you can do it, that you can use language to condense objects into existence in this space. It's the dream of all magic, but here it is folks, happening in real time. And then they're just delighted. They just go mad with delight and turn somersaults and turn themselves inside out and they all jump into your chest at once."
(interesting how the tykes so eager for a person to do it, this from excerpt (6) above comes to mind):
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"So how’s that allowed to happen? Again, like I said, it wants to raise its level, but there’s no hardship over there so it can’t cultivate or improve itself. So they came up with an idea-to help people do good things for others. But they don’t know how.
Yet they do know that the energy they send out can have the effect of slowing people’s sicknesses down a little and relieving the pain sick people have at the time, but it can’t cure the ailment. That’s how it is, and they know that using a person’s mouth to send it out can have that effect."
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[ July 18, 2006, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: kip ]