THE TRUTH HURTS

[silentwolf]

You're a fraud; your veneer is peeling and you know it. Ban me, bitch.

[daniel]

you don't hurt my feelings... i feel sad for you.

but i will ban you eventually if this keeps up. it is too much of a bore.

[silentwolf]

Ahh, but when the patient is ready, the doctor appears!

You're inflexible dude, and what I said before is where I stand now...glory, money, and catching a buzz is what motivates you; the last is why you're so upset that people can't just accept the fact you feel you should get to plow every female that crosses your path.

You're a fraud, Daniel, nothing more than a pretty product with a catchy sales pitch.

*edit*- I'm course, crude, and I think that if I piss on your leg you should laugh and piss right back on mine. At least I have true grain, like unfinished mahogany; you're just veneer, and you can't hold up to close inspection.

I'd rather be insane than an intentional fraud and charlatan ~ and at least I operate on what I feel is right, not what I feel will benefit my indulgences the most.

This is a repeat post from the thread that you deleted, Daniel. The end of the tunnel approaches, and your deception is coming to light. You will reveal your true nature, I bind it to you.

[whitewave]

Silentwolf,
After I went to bed last night I woke up thinking I can't believe I didn't address your latest personal attack on Daniel (which he deleted). The level of aggression, anger and disrespect in your personal attacks on Daniel say more about your soul then about Daniel's. I have asked you before when you are going to see your words as a reflection of your own shadow, but have not seen any indication of this happening. Even if what you said were true (I am not taking your word for anything. I don't trust you), why would you want to hurt someone like that? I don't believe for one minute that Daniel has fraudulent intentions, and even if he did, these would just be things his ego was bringing to his attention in order that he could refine and overcome them. The same goes for you in return! If we don't learn from our emotions, they will control us. I had another thought as I went to sleep last night as well. In my last post (now deleted) I mentioned that, as a writer, I have not been successful in a material sense. I am in no way blaming our material culture for this. I know this is just another gift from spirit, another opportunity to go within and forgive myself and anyone who has so-called wronged me. These thoughts are a precursor to the main, namely, that Daniel is the perfect vehicle for his message (what he hoped would become our message through this board, I think.), and that is why he has been succesful. Everything lined up for him, and he has been rewarded. I for one, am glad. His connections in the literary world, the fact that he chose journalism instead of poetry, all set him up to be able to spread the message of 2012 to as wide an audience as possible, and for that I am very grateful. It definitely seems like this community is a serpent striking itself instead of learning to shed its skin. Since my goal is the latter I am going to take my attention elsewhere.

[sidecross]

Truth? If you want a film on truth Akira Kurosawa’s Rashomon is where to look.

How sad, when opening this thread not to find a parody of Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men shouting “you can’t handle the truth” before being taken away by guards to the brig.

As a post script to my above comments, it would have been a better service to all to have frozen the thread or just stopped it from continuing than totally removing it.

As it became clear the tone and value disintegrated on this topic, it nonetheless served as a valuable lesson how well intentioned things can change into a destructive and unproductive exercise.

I do wish it could have remained as a history and documentation of how easy things can disintegrate.

[ February 26, 2006, 05:02 AM: Message edited by: sidecross ]

[craazyman]

whitewave, sorry you don't have a hot tub. I'll look forward to meeting you down at Blackrock & hope the pleasure will not be all mine. For Christsake, don't worry about the financial success or the reknown. Set yourself up to endure, and make it happen on the page. "I cannot pull a world quite round/although I patch it as I can/I sing a hero's head, large eye and beard of bronze, but not a man . . . etc. You know what I'm talking about. The magic is in the spirit and the craft and writing the lines that end discussion. Bang it from a savage blue/jangling the metal of the strings . . etc. etc.

[Agent Smith]

well, i for one am quite relieved.

i thought those mildly worded, faintly critical reviews were going to haunt us forever, and stain our fair community with the taint of bland dissent.

thank goodness i am sure huey, and swami will be similarly relieved that their foolishness has been so gently corrected.

be seeing you.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Sell all that ye have and flee unto the mountains,
the Mountains of Bush.

And wars and rumors of wars and earthquakes and diseases in diverse places know that the time is near.
...
And queers in all the gears the earth will no longer tumble...

Wolf,I think that Daniel is quite aware of what you are describing but,for the moment is willing to continue the risk.I too engage in Neomusmormism.
I try to leave my discipes with something more than a book or a STD LSDed dumpster diver syndrome.
Met a real one back in summer of 74 or 75.He had been lead singer for the Dobie bros I believe.Did too musch LSD and they had to leave him in Austin institutionlized.I aws practicing then with John A. Luker MD who was house physician for the Armadillo.He is now recovered and running a de-tox center and a home for elderly.
I have the same trouble with many people for the same reason Wolf.
Come by as long as ye bring no violence sayeth the lord of Lairds.
Wolf have you ever heard the words uttered by me in a previous time,
"and I tell ye when ye see the abnomition spoken of about Daniel know that the end is near."
Mpski 33ad.and wolf you are right,the abdomination has to do with sex.
The end of all wars was begun.
Whoops I better get in there and take my bloodpressus pills sidecross.You know how it is,seven dollars a day to the pharmaceuticakl company or you run the risk of heart attack,stroke,or kidney and bowell disease.

That is the key.Making disciples.People who love you enough to steal your body and burn it and start a story that you rose up in to the clouds.

Just where do you think on a map the best Peyote fields are located Wolf?
Do you remember wher my farm is Wolf-Checotah-supposed home for Carrie Underwood-America idol winner.My real name is John D. Son.
Surely you can come up with an answer for that melonhead.
If you really want to get to him and live here peacfully and create an example for the world to see.How serious are you and remember you are dealing with a psychiatrist or two wolf,about watching Daniel turned into an abomination.
Remember

[craazyman]

Any reviewer should review an act of creativity on its own terms, not on terms artificially imposed upon it that only serve to aggrandize the reviewer and say nothing about the reviewed (although you see this stuff all the time in the press, so people think it's cool somehow). The distaste at this goes way beyond BOTH or Daniel or this site. What's the point of accusing a book of not being a classic of psyche literature or saying it ran over old ground. For a lot of readers, it was brand new ground. For me, it was brand-new ground. It seemed to me it was for those readers, not for the self-appointed "experts." And it was very well-done, on those terms. It's not easy to stitch together a formal structure to handle a wide range of topics and integrate them into a unified whole that preserves pace and rhythm and clarity. It's not easy to write graceful sentences. It's not easy to conceive of a way to handle such a broad topic. It's not entirely fair to suggest a book that recites a lot of existing knowledge is pointlessly derivative. Molecules lie around everywhere, but it takes a craftsman to turn them into something. The point isn't that the reviews were faintly critical. They were more mirrors than reviews.

[Agent Smith]

well...craazyman...

why, whatever are you talking about?

i can't seem to find any reference to it on this forum...

...maybe you could help me out, and give me some context for your comments?

[ February 26, 2006, 06:26 AM: Message edited by: Agent Smith ]

[silentwolf]

Deceivers bite me to the core. Daniel is a fantastic artist, weaving glamories and facades to conceal his own true motivations - I was entranced by them for a short period, I confess - but in the end, trust a person to continue to do what you see them do.

At times I speak with the voice of God, at times I speak with the voice of a fool. I strive for power, fury, and bleached-bones truth. Nothing more. Power not to shackle, but to unshackle; power to shatter the yoke from the oxen and free them all in one move. This is my goal, and even death will not stop me from it.

You cannot tell me that man is honest and truthful. He claims to cling to prophecies, and yet he does not even heed their words? Why isn't he living in Four Corners now if he really believes the Hopi?

Manicures, facials, orgies, martini at the party and a dropper full of acid. Wild trips for "research." These define his life; he cannot break the yoke of his way of life.

I want NO ONE to believe me. I expect you to look for yourself, and not stop looking until you feel that what you see is the true form, and even then keep looking just in case you're wrong.

Ashes on the sidewalk, with the rest of you and yours.

I distance myself from humanity out of fear, repulsion, stomach-churning disgust. How can I be one of them?

[Isaiah Mpski]

Remember how to find the farm Wolf.Go to yahoo groups PickOverFlow- there you can find a satellite picture of where I 40 runs through my 40 acres and then westerly across Lake Eufaula.I have over half a mile of lakefront and some pretty neats rocks and caves.

[Gift Horse]

Dear Silent,

You have contributed alot to this board, and at times, I have appreciated your words. I am glad you are here.

I would like to offer to you a little bit of my insight, if I may.

I want NO ONE to believe me

This is what you say, but do you take it personally when we don't believe you?
Also, the same goes for you...you don't have to believe Daniel( or anyone!)

I distance myself from humanity out of fear, repulsion, stomach-churning disgust. How can I be one of them?

Dear dear Silent, take a moment to remember who we (you) really are.

Please be loving and gentle with yourself.

Coming from my experience, when I find myself comparing to others, I quickly go down a dark hole. My business/challenge is to love myself, exactly as I am, unconditionally. Others have their own point of view and their own path.

[willoweyes]

I just had two Little Black ones and a revelation.

SW is really a Lesbian thick lether bitch who regularly punishes Daniel for being naughty.

[willoweyes]

Did you holier than thou ones know, the Siberian Shamans all gave up Pantherina and mushrooms when vodka showed up.

Its true look it up. It's a dangerous path; in fact guaranteed fatal.

[willoweyes]

and another thing, if any of you bitches sent Reviews of BOTH back to your private e-mails so you could save them (a wise choice) this confrontation between daniel, silentworllf and the forces of feminism is bound to become a classic. I'm archiving these things==but i fail3d to save this one before Daniel pulled the plug (to keep it all for himself?)

so PM it to me if you have it. love, willow

[MidnightDreary]

Whitewave~
Your prose is so eloquent that I always have to read your posts at least two or three times! Just wanted to let you know.

Personally, I would hate to see anyone "banned" from this board no matter how much I may disagree with or dislike what they have to say (excepting, of course, those who occasionally drop by to shoot their unwelcome SPAM all over the place). That being said, Daniel, of course it's your board to operate as you see fit. Without you this forum wouldn't even exist and I am incredibly grateful that it does. Just my $.02.

Silentwolf~
Just out of curiosity, how is it that you know Daniel so much better than anyone else here? You've made a number of personal accusations that I haven't found evidenced either here or in his other writings and interviews that I've read. I would honestly just like to know.

[craazyman]

agent smith, i must've run across them in some other dimension that was going on before this one, I don't know . . .

[willoweyes]

Am I just a jealous old lady?

Or is this a case of Samuel Johnson's dancing dog?

[sidecross]

Originally posted by willoweyes:
and another thing, if any of you bitches sent Reviews of BOTH back to your private e-mails so you could save them (a wise choice) this confrontation between daniel, silentworllf and the forces of feminism is bound to become a classic. I'm archiving these things==but i fail3d to save this one before Daniel pulled the plug (to keep it all for himself?)

so PM it to me if you have it. love, willowSadly, I was counting on BOTH to store all the documents as a historical record.

Chief No-Talk says ‘sidecross stupid’.

[Swami]

Originally posted by craazyman:
Any reviewer should review an act of creativity on its own terms,Meaning WHAT exactly? A book has no terms.

not on terms artificially imposed upon it
Every reader and reviewer judges a work according to their subjective terms. How is it possible to be iotherwise?

that only serve to aggrandize the reviewer and say nothing about the reviewed
A review points to both object and subject. As to aggrandizement, that is your review of the reviewer based solely on emotion.

What's the point of accusing a book of not being a classic of psyche literature or saying it ran over old ground.
(I am going to guess this is a question. Accusation? It did go over old ground in too many areas whether or not it was new to some readers.

For a lot of readers, it was brand new ground. For me, it was brand-new ground.
Sorry that I am better read than others.

It seemed to me it was for those readers, not for the self-appointed "experts."
Honestly, do you not see how your whole post reeks of what you find distasteful? I saw no one proclaiming themselves an expert. Being familiar with pyschedelic literature, history and usage amkes me somewhat knowledgeable; yet you seem to prefere ignorance as a more noble state. Is that true?

And it was very well-done, on those terms.WHihc were your terms; not "its" terms.

It's not entirely fair to suggest a book that recites a lot of existing knowledge is pointlessly derivative. [/QUOTE]
More imaginary hyperbole. Who said it was pointless?

[craazyman]

Swami,

You and I both have too much free time.

Best regards,
-C