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[daniel]

i deleted the last topic in this thread.

No more flame wars on this site, directed against me or anyone.

[Agent Smith]

your call...

here's another perspective----

Recently I have been receiving a number of complaints from users of this board about a few posters and postings. I am very loath to throw anyone off the board for misbehavior, or to sanction someone for saying anything, no matter how stupid or ill-considered or manipulative it might be. I think that "learning" (or whatever takes place here) is a dynamic process, and generally there is something to be learned from everyone's perspective who passes through here - people also have the option of simply ignoring or not reading posts that bother them, and adding a new post or topic that shifts the energy in another direction.

I feel that, as in the subjects of psychedelics and shamanism, with this board, it is
really the individual's responsibility to separate signal from noise for themselves.
The board is meant to be an open forum. I don't want to act as a dictator banning
people for having different views - I count on the collective intelligence of the
group and the specific intelligence of the individual to neutralize any threat for
themselves.

Perhaps the board provides a microcosm of the larger process happening now,
which is a kind of ecology of mind in turbulent evolution?

However, I did want to open this discussion - if an overwhelming number of people feel I should censure or evict those who impede the flow, or constantly annoy, I will consider it.

[daniel]

agentsmith,

do what you want to do on your discussion board, and i will do what i want to do on mine.

[Agent Smith]

naturally daniel.

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so facinating how it starts though, isn't it?

[ February 26, 2006, 06:05 AM: Message edited by: Agent Smith ]

[sidecross]

Very perceptive Agent Smith; a tip of the cap to your research.

[Gift Horse]

This is a Diamond. Look Daniel! Its a diamond on the freakin sidewalk!!

Of course, not just for you Daniel...as we are all in "this" together.

Good stuff.

Thank you so much for this opportunity, for this board, for all our courage.

Lets not give up.

[ March 03, 2006, 05:29 AM: Message edited by: Gift Horse ]

[Huehuecoyotl]

My review wasn't that bad...that it was not fit for viewing :-(

[daniel]

hi huey..

please repost your review... that wasn't the problem. It was the later stuff that followed, especially from this last weekend.

[whitewave]

I read this last night and thought it might bring some clarity to this situation:

"Come," she said, "stand in front of me. Make your body rigid in a position of defense."

I held up my arms. My body tightened. Shakkai pushed against me hard, and I fended off her advance. It was as if she were running into a stone wall. She pushed again and again, and I pushed her back again and again.

"Now," she said, "stand lipm and at ease in your center. Bend your knees ever so slightly, and just be like a reed in the wind, soft and compliant and open."

At this point Shakkai lunged toward me, pushed, and with her own energy, she flew right be me, as I flexed easily to the side.

"You see, you are vulnerable in this stance, and when I push for you, trying to hit you, I cannot, because there is nothing to fight back against me. You are open and fluid, and you do not respond in a rigid way to me. Therefore I cannot hurt you. It's like striking at air, and that is your vulnerability. If you stay open and not shielded and tense, there is nothing to hit against. Your vulnerability is your greatest shield. It is your actual stance in the world. Therefore his energy will defeat him, because as he attacks you, he has to move off his center."

"There was a great teacher who was the founder of aikido. His name was Morihei Veshiba. He talked about allowing the other person to move off of his center to attack you. You never attack. You never attack, because you are never off of your center. You never out of your own state of power. It is the same way in the world of sorcery. When a sorcerer moves to attack, moves off of his center to harm you, you can defeat him easily with his own power.His own momentum will carry him into great difficulty."

from Shakkai: Woman of the Sacred Garden, by Lynn Andrews

This is definitely what I am working on now, or being called to work on--evidenced by the almost continual bouts of being thrown off my center more than usual for the silliest reasons.....and I think this a frame that we could all learn from as we engage with each other here. Perhaps we could start another thread to talk about this. Anyone here study aikido?

[sidecross]

This a perfect place to start whitewave!

By deleting the entire topic we, those who wrote on the topic, were all censored, this from my understanding would be the opposite of Aikido.

How would you, whitewave, handle or try to handle the situation that daniel found himself in an Aikido way?

[Huehuecoyotl]

"please repost your review"

I was just pulling your leg. I am sure it was widely enough read. In any case I just posted it because there was a space to do so.

[silentwolf]

By agreeing wholeheartedly, Sidecross.

A Master of Taijiquan cannot be struck because he is pushed away by his opponent, and he cannot be escaped because as his opponent pulls away, he draws the master to him. He is so soft and supple, the most gentle of breezes brushes him aside, and he sinks with the weight of the fly landing upon his shoulder.

Another style I'm quite fond of is Eight Drunken Immortals...effectively using off-balance is challenging and potent, to say the least.

[Swami]

Originally posted by silentwolfxvx:
A Master of Taijiquan cannot be struck because he is pushed away by his opponent,Yet no traditional martial artist stands a chance in the UFC. They perform so badly that numerous excuses must be made as to why they get whipped rather than a single demonstration.

"Eastern Martial artists are toooOOOOOOoooo spiritual to participate in such an arena."

R-I-G-H-T! This type of statement is amazingly made with a straight face.

Tai chi masters seemingly can only demonstrate to neophytes and aficiandos in a remote closed room.

[silentwolf]

The last known true master of Taijiquan, Cheng Man-ch'ing, has been dead for quite some time.

As far as a traditional martial artist competing in the UFC...I would be incredibly surprised to find a Shaolin adept, let alone a Master, who had successfully trained in the Golden Bell Cover, stepping into that ring. Let's not forget that traditional martial arts training isn't about beating the crap out of your opponent or winning a title, it's about spiritual fulfillment and freedom from the ego. Winning a match such as the UFC presents would do little more than inflate the ego, and this is very detrimental to the Buddhist.

Competitions used to be held in China, and the Taoists did not start to take part in it until the boasts of "Iron Shirt Training" had reached their temple gates. The only known strike that will penetrate the Iron Shirt is the Cold Strike from Taijiquan; the first blow stripped the area of protection, and the second incapacitated the monk. Taoists did not like to participate in competitions such as this because they sought immortality, some spiritually, and some physically; but what's immortality worth if you still can't have a bit of fun?

[Agent Smith]

the Ewe Eff See?

why?

why did i even come back here today?

Swanni, you almost had me fooled.

daniel, behold the future of your forum www.bullshido.net (http://www.bullshido.net)

[sidecross]

“By agreeing wholeheartedly, Sidecross.”

I am glad Rosa Parks didn’t follow that advise.

[silentwolf]

Ok, let's apply Aikido, or the Way of the Circle to this situation in an allegorical way. This first example does not confirm to the philosophy of Aikido (Which actually happens to be a very potent mixture of Baguachang and Northern White Crane styles):

Man craps his pants. Another man says, "Hey dude, you shit yourself,"

The crapper ignores the complainer.

Complainer goes on, "Hey dude, you stink."

Crapper says, "You probably stink some way too, maybe you should look and see."

Well, that's basically what happened in the Thread of Daniel-Bane, Henceforth Called "THE DELETED THREAD." Now we play with it, and twist would could have occured if Daniel had been a devotee of the Circle:

Man craps himself. Another man says, "Hey dude, you shit yourself."

Crapper smiles.

Complainer goes on, "Hey dude, you stink."

Crapper says, "Ah yes, but in comparison, you smell quite lovely!"

That's the Way of the Circle. There are three ways to come against any sort of conflict: blocking (you bore me, /yawn, /ignore); redirecting(let's not argue when we have BUSH to worry about! free razors for all!); and transmuting. The only way to transmute the energies is by agreeing with them so you complement them; this changes your nature and the nature of the energy by the merger. Hence the saying, "Become your opponent and there will be no opposition."

lol, of course, applying it is so much more difficult, especially when being an asshole is completely ingrained in your character and you're oblivious to it.

[sidecross]

“Just an observation…”

Your post and daniel’s implied view reminds me of the wife who gets the message: ‘sorry, but I have met someone new and things with us really are not working out’.

[sidecross]

manning what has occurred on BOTH is also a documentary and historical record that in my view trumps the commitment of marriage or any similar situation.

I see no reason why BOTH at the very least can not be archived into the ‘Trophy Wife’ of The Evolver Project. BOTH was and is a document that is connected to what ever daniel does.

Yes, people came and left; some left permanently by suicide. The cost and little resources needed to keep this as a documentary record are worth the effort to store as a completed segment.