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ph(^)id
10-12-2005, 10:44 AM
This is really sad. I imagine this is happenning to many left-leaning activists who have made appearance on the right-wing radar. How can it be this horrible?

cy

S.O.S. – A FUNDRAISER OF LIFE AND DEATH IMPORTANCE FOR FTW

An Avalanche of Dirty Tricks is Threatening Our Ability to Continue

Twice before in FTW’s eight year history we have reached out to you – our subscribers and supporters – for help and you have come through in spades. We have to do it again and this time is perhaps the most important of all.

Daily – occasionally even hourly now – the messages are hitting my inbox or coming in person. They make my job much easier.

... Thanks for your analysis of Peak Oil, economic impacts, and political/elite foreknowledge and planning. Many things that have puzzled me for years now come into focus:

1. Looting of the Treasury with Massive record deficits under three consecutive Republican Administrations, Destruction and Looting of Social Security, and the overall apparently deliberate dismantling of the United States as an economic power.

2. Apparent sudden change in philosophy of major business executive management from mostly-lawful corporation building to lawless corporation stripping for enormous short-term profits with an apparent blind eye to the future, and the Wholesale dismantling and relocation overseas of the American Industrial Base

I am sure there are multiple motives for these developments, but looking at the big picture as you have developed it, and the timing of the rapid growth of these trends (starting in earnest in the early 1980s) they seem to mesh quite well with the disturbing picture you have published.

God have mercy on us all...

-- Dr. D. S------, M.D.

Here’s another one.

I wanted to say that you really got through to me last night. You mentioned not wasting time on people that don’t want to hear what you have to say. I have heard it before on FTW, but this time the message stuck. I can do much better things with my time.

Before I went to the Petrocollapse conference yesterday I had all these ideas running around my head with no one to share them with. After going to the conference, I realized that I am not alone and my outlook on life, no matter how bad it might get, has gotten much better.

I just wanted to say thank you for putting that link (petrocollapse) on FTW.com. It really made a difference.

Have a nice day

R.V.

Here’s another

…And I hope that your work will continue fruitfully.

It does seem that the popular media are finally waking up to the issues. Thanks for your help in preparing us for what lies ahead.

Sincerely,
CNS
Seattle , WA

And finally, one more.

You can’t imagine how much we respect you as a man, as well as your insight and analysis and I hope that in a future age we have a chance to meet once again, hopefully on more optimistic terms. But Mike, really, thank you from the core of my soul for all you have done to illustrate not only to my brother and I, but a whole innumerable mass of people the enormity of the task ahead and the possibilities for dealing with it. Peak Oil and climate collapse are obviously going to be the beasts we have to battle for the foreseeable future and thus is the price for human intelligence.

Mike S
Queens, NY

There’s a special thank you I want to say to the more than 15 of you who came up to me personally at the Petrocollapse conference in New York last week and told me how grateful you were that we at From The Wilderness had been so correct in our multi-year analyses and predictions of so many of the events now unfolding. All of you have proved that my gamble was correct when I decided some time ago to focus my attention only on those who got the message and to ignore those who did not.

You have also proved that this group is big enough to sustain FTW and influential enough to make a difference in the world at large regardless of who or what does or does not pay attention to us. This is a great comfort.

What I write now will provide much fodder for those who dislike FTW; our critics and those who so desperately (and ineffectively) want our message to go unheard and unacknowledged. Big deal. They haven’t stopped us so far. Although this message is not written for those seeking to silence us, I have no concern at all if they read it.

FTW NEEDS FUNDS NOW – THIS IS AN EMERGENCY

I will be as brief and business-like as possible. Time is a precious commodity for all of us.

There are two emergency priorities facing me.

FIRST, I must relocate FTW out of Los Angeles to a semi-rural, sustainable area as quickly as possible – by next January at the latest. Once relocated, FTW can take advantage of a number of options to expand our services to our readers at a critical moment. Those options are not available to us in our present location. Many of you know the general area where I want to move us but I cannot disclose it here for a number of reasons. It’s in the Pacific Northwest. We know where we want to go and friends are waiting for us there.

SECOND We need enough cash to duplicate my new video Denial Stops Here and release it as quickly as possible. It must be released by October 18th so time is short. If you have liked what we’ve done for eight years, and if you liked Truth and Lies, then it is imperative that you help us reach an even wider audience so that more people can begin to prepare for the collapse which is just now beginning. This DVD is many times better than The Truth and Lies of 9/11 and capable of reaching and influencing a much wider audience. People are listening.

It is definitely a DVD the Bush Administration and Wall Street do not want released.

I am not asking for loans. For reasons described below, you will see why we are having such a challenging time. I am taking my own advice and refusing to go further in debt because that, in itself, might prove to be a deadly anchor. Given what we have been facing I cannot guarantee that we would be able to repay any loans anyway. But at this point in human history, guarantees of any sort are hard to come by.

PLAYING IN A RIGGED GAME

As perhaps only Catherine Austin Fitts knows better, speaking truth in and to a world gone mad is dangerous. Playing fields are not level and retribution can be both brutal and effective.

Starting well more than a year ago, a succession of FTW employees began internally sabotaging our operations. They included Secillia Sliffe, Jason Majik and Christopher Fusco. There are some well-documented links to the FBI and/or the Department of Homeland Security in this scheme. I will elaborate more, when and if that is appropriate and in accordance with our legal purposes. We know more than what we disclose to you here.

In January of 2005, Sliffe (after I had fired her roommate/companion Majik) abandoned her job as Office Manager and telephoned my accountant and Fusco in a ridiculous attempt to blackmail me. In the process she committed the federal felony of conspiring to defraud the United States government. In that phone call she stated that she had stolen tax records and 1099’s from my files and demanded that I not file the appropriate forms with the federal government showing earned income for several people. She stated that if I did file 1099’s for former employees Tim Barker, Jason Majik and herself, she would report me to the IRS for failure to file income tax returns.

On the same day that Sliffe called my accountant with the blackmail threat, I received an email from one Scott Magufka a.k.a. Victor Thorn of WING TV. Clearly Thorn and the people in my office had been in contact and, as we will see, Thorn and his consort Lisa Guliani also have some interesting influence at the FBI. WING TV is a comical, very scary and highly “not-credible” Internet web site (more on this later).

I had not filed taxes for several years and had just started the process of filing back returns as a preparation for a now aborted incorporation planned for this spring. Note: As of this writing I am absolutely current with the IRS in terms of both filings and payments. It has been very expensive and time consuming but something I was never trying to hide anyway. I don’t succumb to blackmail and never will. I clean up after myself.

During that same period, Chris Fusco, who remained in the office saying that he was not close to Sliffe or Majik, began a campaign of systematically sabotaging all of our customer records, customer orders and databases. He misfiled or threw out bank deposits, failed to ship orders, tore up records and many other things intended to destroy both our credibility and our cash flow. He nearly succeeded. He fooled me, Ken Levine and our webmaster, Ryan, who worked with him every day. On March 31, he set his keys on his desk, walked out and never came back.

I was so concerned for his safety that I filed a Missing Person’s report with the Van Nuys Division of the LAPD. When Ken Levine and I went to Fusco’s apartment to see if he was safe, he hid inside. Later, as I waited for him to come home, he called the police and had me shaken down as a burglary suspect.

Then we discovered the carnage. It was only by the valiant efforts of FTW’s agent-publicist Ken Levine, his sister, daughter, son and Ryan Spiegl that we survived. We got a new office manager who proved to be both trustworthy and loyal.

Since Fusco had refused to speak to me after he walked off his job in the middle of the day, I withheld his last paycheck and advised him that when he explained his actions I would be happy to pay him for his last week of “work.” That’s the law and I know it. He never gave me the opportunity.

Instead, he filed a Small Claims action against me which I knew I would win. Indeed, I did win it last June 30, 2005 after an unheard-of two-day Small Claims trial. I was ordered to pay his week’s wages plus small damages but he was ordered to pay me twice as much for the willful damage he had done. We won. In that trial it was established that Fusco had been deliberately sabotaging FTW operations and was, in several instances, caught lying to the court. He was also receiving excellent legal advice from an unknown attorney willing to work overnight on his behalf as it became clear that he was losing.

As we left the court after the trial I was told by the bailiff that the judge’s decision would be mailed to me within 90 days.

The address shown on the court’s decision at that time was an address which I had never filed, never been connected to, but which had been filed by Fusco even though as our former office manager he knew was absolutely incorrect.

Approximately ten days after the court trial was over the Orange County rented storage facility belonging to our webmaster Ryan Spiegl was burglarized. It was the only unit burglarized out of hundreds. Nothing was taken except the lock which had probably been cut. The unit was probably thoroughly searched in a crime that’s a cut-and-paste FBI black bag job.

WHEN YOU CAN’T WIN FAIRLY -- CHEAT

They couldn’t beat us in court so they beat me by cheating.

I never received a notification of the judgment in my favor. I was not worried because I knew that for an appeal to be heard I would have to be served with a subpoena and notified. That was not to happen. Between deliberate actions by Fusco and apparent carelessness on the part of the court and my bank, the notices of judgment and the appeals hearing were sent to the bogus address.

Since I had never been served a notice of the appeal, I didn’t show up. A Summary Judgment was rendered against me in default on August 30, 2005 for $5,072.00. I was not to know any of this until the money was taken out of FTW’s bank account.

Conveniently, just as I arrived in New York to participate in the Petrocollapse conference on October 4th I was advised of a pending debit in FTW’s bank account for that amount and I recognized it instantly as matching Fusco’s original claim.

For two days starting on October 5th the debit was showing on our bank’s web site and then not showing. It would appear and then disappear. The money was taken out on October 6th while I was conveniently still in New York City and helpless to prevent it. My bank has some explaining to do as to why they would surrender the money on the basis of documents showing an incorrect address and without notifying me as at least one attorney has told me they must do.

That wasn’t the point. The point, as it has been for years, is to make FTW incapable of doing what it has done for our loyal subscribers and to prevent us from getting better at it. The objective is to tie us up so that we cannot serve our readers. We will get the judgment vacated eventually and Mr. Fusco will most likely go to jail for fraud and contempt of court at minimum. But it will probably take lots and lots of time. That’s the one thing we don’t have as the winter approaches.

I have only included a few pages of records here but the court case is public record (Small Claims Case No: LAV 05V01664) at the Van Nuys Superior Court in Los Angeles. Help yourself.

For the record, the FTW office manager prior to Sliffe at FTW, Cynthia Ruthchild, is a retired FBI Special Agent who is also an attorney. I hired her in 2003 because she came to me and was presented as a credible whistleblower who had been brutally punished for speaking out about FBI malpractice. I remember thinking that I, as a former LAPD officer, was once a desperate whistleblower and in need of a job.

Ruthchild’s performance, however, was abysmal (fully documented) and she and Barker seemed to have an obsession with wanting me to become involved with Thorn, selling his embarrassingly inaccurate book, and having me appear on his “TV” show. It had taken me about five minutes of looking at his book to determine that Thorn was neither credible nor trustworthy. Ruthchild’s and Barker’s obsession and nagging lasted for months and my simple “No” was not enough to ease the pressure. Thorn next took to blatant and well-documented efforts to extort me (both directly and through Ken Levine) to appear on his internet show. He threatened to harm my reputation if I didn’t.

As we all know, he certainly took his best (though not very credible) shot at that.

Both Ruthchild and Barker were fired in March 2004 after I had quietly advertised and found Sliffe and Majik as their hasty replacements. It was only later that I would see that all were connected.

WING TV – THE ATTACK POODLES

Thorn and Guliani have basically placed themselves in the wackiest of the wingnut regions of Internet. Even a casual read of their site leaves one incredulous at the lack of documentation, consistency and/or ethical standards.

But where I am the victim of ongoing criminal actions and can seemingly get no assistance from law enforcement, all Lisa Guliani has to do is pick up a phone and the local FBI office starts making phone calls harassing other left-leaning activists who were trying to get Thorn to appear on their show. If you click on the linked loudspeaker emblem labeled “FBI call” you will actually hear the FBI agent calling up and fruitlessly trying to intimidate an activist on Guliani and Thorn’s behalf.

I can get to ask questions in Congress – for Congress – but I sure can’t get that kind of law enforcement support. Since when has one progressive activist ever sunk so low in a dispute with another activist as to send the FBI to intimidate them?

Tim Barker then wrote some really shameless and dishonest critiques of me for WING TV right after Sliffe abandoned her job. I will not reprint them here because to do so would unnecessarily injure third parties. Barker had his own Achilles heel that might have made him susceptible to pressure. As the son of a famous movie actress he hadn’t paid taxes for years on the royalties from his mother’s films and the IRS was actively looking for him. I wonder if he traded his back taxes for a friendship. He certainly traded his honor.

I have been told by two sources that Thorn recently said either on his show or in a public chat session that someone should assassinate me as a war criminal after leveling the same terrorist threat at the excellent 9/11 researcher/activist Nick Levis. I don’t have time to look for it and I certainly am not flying to Pennsylvania on money I don’t have to make a fruitless complaint to the FBI who wouldn’t lift a finger to help me anyway. That’s another unpunished crime.

I have noticed surveillance lately as I traveled to both Washington and New York in the last six months.

So there are many circles closing together here. I have more evidence but sometimes one doesn’t show one’s best cards until one has the proverbial “head shot” in a legal case. I’m sure the point is clear.

MY INHERITANCE

On May 9th my father passed away. I received a $50,000 life insurance payment and was named co-Trustee in a trust set up to protect my aging stepmother (89, with Alzheimer’s). The value of that trust is somewhere around $640,000; half of the trust was to be mine as clearly established in all the documents and records, on either her death or a decision by both trustees to dissolve the trust.

My co-Trustee, the niece of my stepmother, also happens to own a bank in Alabama. Her husband is the editor of the local newspaper. Shortly after my father’s death they moved to seize the entire trust, claiming I had no right to my father’s half. I cannot touch a penny as the legal proceedings unfold. Even though I am a co-Trustee and can write checks, the moment I commingle any of the funds before the case is settled I risk losing all of it. I am certain that a great deal of the recent financial pressure is intended to make me dip into the trust and thus give it all away. That I will never do. There is no guarantee that I will ever see a penny of it or how much will be left when the lawyers are through.

I have loaned all of my father’s life insurance back to FTW to keep it serving you through the sabotage, back taxes and court cases. I have not taken a paycheck since March. Yet every FTW employee has always been paid on time and we are current with our creditors. But it is now getting difficult for me to pay my rent and personal bills.

Seeking refuge in a foreign country remains a less-desirable option if things get worse but it is one that I cannot rule out.

Presently, Denial Stops Here is in the final stages of editing and music mixing. I do not have enough money to reproduce it to sell. I do not have enough money to relocate FTW and its staff. The one thing I can do is to sell my car to finance the DVD, but that would pose other serious problems. I have traveled to participate in two events in Washington this year at my own expense.

We’re running on fumes at FTW and we have been forced to reach out for help again.

In 2000, FTW subscribers responded almost overnight with $11,000 to keep us going after a business plan to resurrect suppressed books was torpedoed by a high school classmate who had worked for the National Security Agency leaving me on the hook for several thousand dollars.

In 2003, thanks to you, FTW raised more than $130,000 in five weeks to pay for a series of full-page ads which ran in major newspapers around the country and really upset some major politicians and special interests. FTW will be eternally grateful to a wonderful man, Jack Gubanc, who made that first ad in the Washington Post possible. Jack showed us what kind of support we had out there, and we sadly mourn his recent passing. Rest in Peace, Jack.

We need that much again and more. It’s not just me that has to move. We have four staff members with families and we need to secure office space in our selected community before leaving here.

If you read FTW regularly, and if you have read Crossing the Rubicon you understand how critical it is that we get out of Los Angeles now. You know that – before this descending curtain of repression and collapse sinks any lower – we must release our new DVD. There is no more time.

You all know that we have stayed tirelessly on the job for you through everything (including the kitchen sink) that has been thrown at us. We can and will continue to do that. But unless we get this urgent help, right now, I may soon be writing to you from another place and in a much reduced capacity. The wonderfully loyal staff who have stayed through everything are in danger of losing their jobs and our collective voice is now at risk of going silent.

Needless to say, all of you understand that it benefits all of us if FTW grows and gets out of LA and into a sustainable community that will provide us support in a much less hostile environment.

For all of you who have sold your homes at the top of the bubble and thanked us; for all of you who bought gold (in any quantity) and are now seeing it scream towards $500 and thanked us; for all of you who began changing your lives in preparation for Peak Oil years ago based on our writing years ago and thanked us: I am asking for some important help in return.

If help comes, fast enough and in sufficient quantity, we can not only survive but become even more effective at learning, preparing, teaching, and scouting the horizons.

I don’t even want to think about the alternative. I know you’ll come through. And even though FTW is not tax-exempt or non-profit, your donations are tax deductible if you do not expect repayment.

Please do it now.

Thank you,

Mike Ruppert
Publisher/Editor
www.fromthewilderness.com (http://www.fromthewilderness.com)

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Mailing address:
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Sherman Oaks, CA 91413

Office number: 818-788-8791

Lowlight
10-13-2005, 04:49 AM
yeah i read this yesterday from his email service. If i had the cash i would send some, but i dont get paid until the end of this month.

The only positive is that I guess you know you are telling the truth when the FBI start breaking into your property!

Dna
10-22-2005, 11:37 PM
Yeah, but isn't the guy promoting a book that accuses the American government of the 9/11 disaster. I don't believe that they did - just my opinion.

Dna.

Lowlight
10-22-2005, 11:59 PM
Man, the Bush admin is guilty as sin! any brief look at the evidence raises very disturbing questions. And im not on about noplane hitting the pentagon or bombs on the planes which hit the WTCs - all that is disinformation. The real issues are much more disturbing.

I have to say though, that i know how you feel. I would never have believed any of this stuff until i actually went out and read about it in depth. Theres a lot of bullshit written but there a lot of truth as well...

Dna
10-23-2005, 12:06 AM
Correction, he WROTE the book accusing Dick Cheney of masterminding the 9/11 attacks.

I don't approve of the FBI's tactics. If the arguement is invalid, then either the truth would out, or the book would be ignored. Perhaps Cheney could even sue the individual respobsible for publishing such defamatory material.

Ruppert is right, he should move out of LA and get some fresh country air. LA is an extraordinary place - all freeway.

Peace,

Dna.

Lowlight
10-23-2005, 10:18 AM
"I don't approve of the FBI's tactics. If the arguement is invalid, then either the truth would out, or the book would be ignored. Perhaps Cheney could even sue the individual respobsible for publishing such defamatory material."

The fact that they have responded the way they have says a lot...

Piers
10-23-2005, 03:17 PM
Ruppert, Ruppert, Ruppert....

There's definitely something wrong with the guy.
For example:

1) He accuses Cheney of masterminding 911 but is a buddy of Cheney Energy Task Force member and Bush crony Matt Simmons.

2) He's positively apocalyptic -- "While I had serious doubts about America's ability to recover from Katrina, I am certain that - barring divine intervention - the United States is finished; not only as a superpower, but possibly even as a single, unified nation with the arrival of Hurricane Rita."
-- Mike Ruppert, September 21, 2005

3) Dale Pfeiffer of www.survivingpeakoil.com (http://www.survivingpeakoil.com) recently disavowed him after being on his payroll and Micheal Chossudovsky also quietly removed the Crossing the Rubicon ad from his website www.globalresearch.ca. (http://www.globalresearch.ca.)

4) He says the 911 physical evidence is unimportant.

5) He threatens to sue everybody and their brother.

6) He openly advocates "population reduction" -- "I advocate an immediate convening of political, economic, spiritual and scientific leaders from all nations to address the issue of Peak Oil (and Gas) and its immediate implications for economic collapse, massive famine and climate destruction (partially as a result of reversion to coal plants which accelerate global warming). This would, scientifically speaking, include immediate steps to arrive at a crash program – agreed to by all nations and in accordance with the highest spiritual and ethical principles – to stop global population growth and to arrive at the best possible and most ethical program of population reduction as a painful choice made by all of humanity."

7) And he's always quoting Colin Campbell, the founder of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil. Dave Mcgowan (who should be read as counter-balance to Ruppert's chicken little) recently posted (with commentary) the following Campbell: "Recent articles in the ASPO Newsletter have agreed that the explosion of world population from about 0.6 billion in 1750 to 6.4 billion today was initiated and sustained by the shift from renewable energy to fossil fuel (sic) energy in the Industrial Revolution. There is agreement that the progressive exhaustion of fossil fuel reserves will reverse the process, though there is uncertainty as to what a sustainable global population would be.

... a global population reduction of some 6 billion people is likely to take place during the 21st Century (For the mathematically impaired, Campbell is talking about no less than a 94% reduction in the world's population. If you feel that you and all of your loved ones are among the lucky 6% who will be spared, then I suppose there is no cause for alarm and you can feel free to stop reading now.)

... probably before 2010 ... uncontrollable inflation and recession will spread round the world ... (Probably so, but this will be, of course, a deliberately induced condition.)

In Third World nations ... a Darwinian struggle for shrinking resources of all kinds will be in full swing ... the imperative to survive will be driving strong groups to take what they want from weak ones. The concept of human rights will be irrelevant ...

It may well be that, in the West, the same argument will affect the thinking of militarily powerful nations ... Instantaneous nuclear elimination of population centres might even be considered merciful, compared to starvation and massacres prolonged over decades. (You have to applaud Campbell’s effort here; I doubt that even Orwell could have conceived of the concept of a humanitarian nuclear holocaust.) Eventually, probably before 2150, world population will have fallen to a level that renewable energy, mainly biomass, can sustain ...

Probably the greatest obstacle to the scenario with the best chance of success (in my opinion) is the Western world’s unintelligent devotion to political correctness, human rights and the sanctity of human life. In the Darwinian world that preceded and will follow the fossil fuel era, these concepts were and will be meaningless. Survival in a Darwinian resource-poor world depends on the ruthless elimination of rivals, not the acquisition of moral kudos by cherishing them when they are weak. (Hmmm ... overt calls for the destruction of the weak by the strong? ... now, where have I heard that before? ... Adolf Hitler? Aleister Crowley? I can't quite place it …)

So the population reduction scenario with the best chance of success has to be Darwinian in all its aspects, with none of the sentimentality that shrouded the second half of the 20th Century in a dense fog of political correctness ...

To those sentimentalists who ... are outraged at the proposed replacement of human rights by cold logic, I would say “You have had your day, in which your woolly thinking has messed up not just the Western world but the whole planet, which could, if Homo sapiens had been truly intelligent, have supported a small population enjoying a wonderful quality of life almost for ever. You have thrown away that opportunity.”

... The scenario is: Immigration is banned. Unauthorised arrives are treated as criminals. Every woman is entitled to raise one healthy child. No religious or cultural exceptions can be made, but entitlements can be traded. Abortion or infanticide is compulsory if the fetus or baby proves to be handicapped (Darwinian selection weeds out the unfit). When, through old age, accident or disease, an individual becomes more of a burden than a benefit to society, his or her life is humanely ended. Voluntary euthanasia is legal and made easy. Imprisonment is rare, replaced by corporal punishment for lesser offences and painless capital punishment for greater.

... The punishment regime would improve social cohesiveness by weeding out criminal elements.

... military forces should be maintained strong and alert ... Collaboration with other nations practising the same population reduction scenario would be of great mutual advantage. (http://www.peakoil.ie/newsletters/588)"

There is a lot of material from MANY sources that challenges the theory of "Peak Oil". But its just not very Politically Correct.

Dna
10-23-2005, 07:28 PM
Thanks Piers, for that information.

Unlike Ruppert's 9/11 theory, I find the 'Peak Oil' scenarios altogether more convincing. You say that they are not. It would be great if they were not. Could you list some of the evidence/resources here, so that I can have a look?

Many thanks,

Dna.

SecondSun
10-23-2005, 09:12 PM
I know very little about this person, but whenever someone claims that they need money NOW so they can go save the world from economic collapse it raises many red-flags, at least in my mind.

I'll be honest, I didn't read the whole article, but I didn't find ANY evidence in the first couple screenfulls supporting his two main points mentioned at top, which is usually a sign that he doesn't have any cogent argument hidden away somewhere near the end. If he really wanted to convince us that it would be in our best interest to give him money why wouldn't he just plainly state the most damning evidence he's found with all his "research," right at the top where we can all see it. Instead he just keeps repeating "I've been totally convinced by my years of research..." without even giving us so much as a clue as to what this so-called research contains. And don't tell me I should go to his website cuz I know I'll just find the same apocalyptic hogwash. Give us the facts G*d damn it.

If Mike Ruppert was really interested in saving the world he would be out there on the frontline, making speeches in timesquare, and organizing protests in Washington, DC. Instead he hides behind his magazine and his apocalyptic diatribe asking us for money because he can't find anyone who wants to publish his shit. Send him all the money you want. In fact, send him your whole life savings, and see how much progress he's made in ten years. Do it, I dare you.

As for the FBI, they are pretty smart chickens. They don't investigate people if they don't think they are going to find evidence of a crime. You think the government is scared of this guy? No respectable journalist would believe him, let alone the voting public. This guy is not a threat to the powers that be.

SecondSun
10-23-2005, 09:50 PM
Oops. It looks like the "two points" I mentioned was actually just part of an email sent to him... uhh long day. But I stand by my statement that if he really wanted to convince us that FTW is integral to the prevention of some kind of catastrophic economic event he would at least give us some kind of cogent argument up front instead of going on and on about how so many people have tried to screw him. Word to the wise, Mike Ruppert, if you're innocent you better cooperate with the FBI. So many people who were either innocent or guilty of only minor offenses trip themselves up by trying to impede the investigation and then get charged with all sorts of awful felonies like obstruction of justice, lying to federal agents, etc.

Lowlight
10-24-2005, 03:12 AM
Mike Ruppert is not perfect, who is? He has done much of value i.e. CIA drug links etc and 9/11. He is not a buddy of simmons he quoted his work and i think he interviewed him once. How many jouranlists are friends/buddys with all who they interview?

Peak oil is sooner or later a reality, we MAYBE even peaking now, though we will not know for a while. Anyone talking the abiotic oil bullshit needs to check the facts (and not from prision planet!)

9/11 was known about by many before it happened, the evidence is remarkable. Ive even lectured on it to a room full of sane people and had a great response. like i said there is a lot of bullshit written about it but the real questions remain.

Piers
10-24-2005, 03:28 AM
Dna,

There's are plethora of voices from a wide variety of sources. A sample:

Amory Lovins -- very reputable scientist, founder of the Rocky Mountain Institute, pioneer of the anti-nuke movement. He doesn't so much as repudiate Peak Oil as he shows how we can easily win the "Oil Endgame".

David McGowan -- author and creator of the website, Center for an Informed America (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/). His books are excellent. Fun stuff. Also has good links to a variety of Peak Oil related material.

Kelly Cooke on her blog reSearched (http://researched.blogspot.com/). She cites a lot of recent scientific research from the National Academy of Sciences.

And from the right -- check the new book Black Gold Stranglehold. These guys endorse the abiotic theory. (Of course, all these people must be idiots or on the CIA pay roll.)

Hugo Chavez recently guarateed "oil for two hundred years" for South America. Chavez acknowledges that we've entered era of costly energy, but also is aware of the potential of non-conventional oil (much of which is in Venezuala) and deep sea oil.

Many oil men acknowledge the enormous potential of deep sea oil as well. For example, http://www.georgedreher.com/TrillionBrlOil.html.

Many of the most vocal Peak Oilers also dismiss the viability of alternative energy. They say that the energy inputs for biofuel are too high. Its not true. Go to either www.biodiesel.org (http://www.biodiesel.org) or thesoydailyclub.com/BiodieselBiobased/news.asp.

Its just the tip of the iceberg. One thing is certain -- ther is a lot of disinfo and psyop material out there. What is going on?

SecondSun
10-24-2005, 04:05 AM
Look, nobody knows when oil production will peak. This is all just speculation. Oil will run out eventually but we really don't know when or how long or whether or not the free markets will come up with an alternative, or whether or not people will just get used to living with really expensive gas. It worries me how paranoid people can get over this. Sure, it's a possibility that there will be some kind of global catastrophe. But the important part to remember is that we do not know what the likelihood of a global catastrophe is. There is a possibility that a comet could hit us. There's a possibility that a star will explode and fry us with gamma rays. Besides, its not like people aren't trying to come up with alternatives to oil. I mean what's your solution?

Piers
10-24-2005, 05:25 AM
Zach,

I don't claim to have a solution. I'm just interested in the issue(s). Is that ok with you?

Lowlight
10-24-2005, 09:53 AM
Oil is the problem. full stop. I dont care if there a a billions years of it left, it shouldnt be used because it is bad for the environment and human health. Charvez (whom i admire) has his own reasons for saying there is 200yrs of oil left. Charvez's heavy oil is highly polluting, we need a whole new way forward.

Agent smith said it best (i think it was him anyway) The use of Oil is a black magic/occult ritual. The burning of dead creatures to power an amoral capitalistic Ahrimanic culture and society.

There are other ways but they require sacrifice of a different kind, namely our own will to undergo the transition to renewable energy especially solar and even human powered (bikes).

That is only the begining of the answer.

SecondSun
10-24-2005, 01:57 PM
Yeah that's fine, Pier. I wasn't really talking about you when I said that. Sorry, that probably wasn't very clear. It was kind of rhetorical question anyway.

Lowlight, there is no doubt that burning oil is bad for the environment and that eventually we will have to become less dependant on it. I don't question that. What I do question are these spurious claims that there is some kind of global conspiracy behind oil. If there is a conspiracy it is going to take hard facts to convince a majority of people that this is really happening.


Agent smith said it best (i think it was him anyway) The use of Oil is a black magic/occult ritual. The burning of dead creatures to power an amoral capitalistic Ahrimanic culture and society.If there is a conspiracy then you are playing right into their hands by making these kinds of statements. Nobody is going to believe you. Try posting this on sci.environment and see how they laugh at you. Nobody believes this crap. If you want to convince people that this is really going on you need to give them real live *evidence*, not spurious claims.

[ October 24, 2005, 01:58 PM: Message edited by: SecondSun ]

jezebelle
10-24-2005, 03:09 PM
extremely good point.
respectly, jez2

okster
10-24-2005, 06:15 PM
Some think of Ruppert as the king of the 911 investigators. Others are very suspicious and see him as an agent of disinformation. Personally I think it very odd when someone claims to have the most important info on the planet and then wants you to send them money for the privelege of reading a few pages a month. A friend of mine subscribed for a year ($35). A few little email newsletters full of his opinions.

Dave Mcgowan is one of my very favorite writers. Tons of his excellent writing is available here (no charge):
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/

He is not buying the peak oil deal, although I'm pretty sure the effects will be the same whether its a scam or not. Some very interesting stuff in these pages, including a very revealing interaction with Ruppert:

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr52.html
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr53.html
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr54.html
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr55.html
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr56.html

Some of the most interesting (and entertaining!) stuff I've ever read. Ands there's tons more. After not posting anything for months, McGowan put up some new stuff yesterday:

"Katrina, Eugenics, and Peak Oil", Parts 1 and 2

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr73.html

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr74.html

Read it if you dare....

Dna
10-25-2005, 01:05 AM
Read it if you dare.... And very depressing reading it is too...

I am glad I don't live in the United States. I think his opinion of 'peak oil' is off beam though. He doesn't like Mike Ruppert. He is a bit of a conspiracy theorist. We need conspiracy theorists - even if they have odd ideas a lot of the time. It serves to wake us up from our consensus.

Conspiracy theorists are like dogs. They always bark at stuff in the darkness. However, they occassionally alert us to the presence of criminals.

The most important thing we can do is

Lowlight
10-25-2005, 02:38 AM
I said - "Agent smith said it best (i think it was him anyway) The use of Oil is a black magic/occult ritual. The burning of dead creatures to power an amoral capitalistic Ahrimanic culture and society."

You said - "If there is a conspiracy then you are playing right into their hands by making these kinds of statements. Nobody is going to believe you. Try posting this on sci.environment and see how they laugh at you. Nobody believes this crap. If you want to convince people that this is really going on you need to give them real live *evidence*, not spurious claims."

Do i really sound like someone who cares what sci.environment or anyone else thinks about the above statement? Can you tell me where i said it was a conspiracy? Or where i claimed this was evidence? Did i say the oil industry dress in black cloaks and mumble unknown words as they process oil in the refinieries?

You view of how the world operates is tragically materialist if you view what i said in those terms?

Have you never heard of 3 dimensional history? Do you think all we see is all there is?

Can you not see how it is interesting to view the use of oil in this way? We burn (sacrifice) the bodies of dead organisims to power our civilisation. Its that simple. No cloaks, no daggers. You just have to look at it in another context or rather through different lenses.

SecondSun
10-25-2005, 05:26 PM
Lowlight:
Do i really sound like someone who cares what sci.environment or anyone else thinks about [Agent Smith's] statement? ... Can you not see how it is interesting to view the use of oil in this way? We burn (sacrifice) the bodies of dead organisims to power our civilisation.

Me:
Interesting, yes, but I find it disturbing that our human race has lost a cohesive worldview. Our ideas are becoming woefully fractured and divergent, and it goes beyond mere left/right party lines. The neocons have no understanding of the common muslim fundamentalist because they have ceased to see the fundamentalists as people. While I find many ideas put forth on this website interesting, I don't see how they are going to help unify us. If anything they cause more fracturedness, more "culture wars" between the new-agers and the debunkers. That is why I care what the people at sci.environment think. The new-agers are at some point going to have to join the debunkers and reach some kind of compromise.

Dna
10-25-2005, 10:54 PM
I don't see any conflict between new agers and 'debunkers'. That division has no meaning for me.

The key action here... the only reality, is to act. We must become active in our local communities, even if in a small way. You must tend that public flowerbed, talk to an old timer. Make friends with your kid's friends' parents. Find out who your neighbour's neighbour is, have them round for a beer, or tea, or whatever.

You can do other stuff too. You can organise yoga classes, art classes, talks, pub quizzes. As Daniel said in his Palenque Norte (2003) talk, 'raise the vibration'.

Communities that are well integrated will survive the coming traumas a lot better than those that don't.

In America, you have a particular amount of work to do in this regard. A lot of your communities are, at the moment, transitory in nature. Large concreted-over suburban areas. You have no connection to the land or to each other.

Don't isolate yourselves in a 'new age' or a '2012' bubble. Get out there. Roll your sleves up. We are all in this dirty mess together. When the Weather gets weirder and the peak oil gets peakier, it'll make fuck all difference whether you believe in 2012, aliens, crop circles or whatever. You will be standing shoulder to shoulder with all kinds of different people shovelling the muck - trying to keep things going. That's what'll matter and your lives will depend on it.

Dna.

Lowlight
10-26-2005, 03:15 AM
"I find it disturbing that our human race has lost a cohesive worldview...If anything they cause more fracturedness, more "culture wars" between the new-agers and the debunkers...The new-agers are at some point going to have to join the debunkers and reach some kind of compromise."

When did the world ever have a cohesive world view? current cultural fractures can be traced to the Death of God, something itself subsumed into the growing human understnding of the infinity of being and the process of becoming. New agers/debunkers is a useless dicotomy. Its way more complex than that. Full unification may never be possible, but the development of a 'understanding compassion' could be a useful step forward. Something akin to the current Zapatista exercise in listening that is being carried out in south Mexico.

This would also have to be tempered with an understanding of the relationship between the processes of creation and destruction (they are the same) so as to understand when destruction should really be applied in life/culture/society and so on.

Lowlight
10-26-2005, 03:23 AM
forgot to say, DNA that was a good post. Your right, even little changes help...but i dont think that should make us cower before the bigger changes we could make (not that you suggested that!) I really think the time has come to aim as high as possible. No compromises.

Dna
10-26-2005, 04:01 AM
Thanks Lowlight. The biggest changes are those that are changing us. We need to allow those chages, whether they are the spiritual changes like a 'vibrational shift' or the concomittant physical changes like climate. These will force us to act. You have to embrace it. It's going to take you on a wild wild dance.

Dna.