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daniel
07-24-2004, 05:25 AM
The following lead editorial is from the NY Times of two days ago. It is on the electronic voting situation - one could say disaster.

It is interesting how articles such as this one work to create a sense of relief in readers - even though it is just a bunch of suggestions that are not being used, it makes the readers feel, if they are not paying attention closely, that the right thing will be done, or at least can be done.

The key sentence: "The election is by now too near for the sort of major overhaul that electronic voting requires."

If people were awake and not asleep, the correct answer to that would be a mass and immediate movement.

I already feel that the 2002 Congressional elections were stolen by the voting machines to give the two houses to the Republicans. I also suspect that the current presidential election will be swindled in the same manner.

I just saw Farenheit - 911 last week, and it left me with the strange feeling that we are close to a revolutionary situation in this country. What is going to be required is a mass nonviolent movement on the Gandhi model. I feel that huge underlying tectonic plates of human consciousness are shifting right now - it is going to be fascinating to see where the next few years take us.

The new Antonio Negri and Michael Hardt book sounds fascinating - of course it got panned in The Times. Let me know if anyone reads it.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

July 23, 2004

Insurance for Electronic Votes

his November, millions of voters will use electronic voting machines of questionable reliability. The election is by now too near for the sort of major overhaul that electronic voting requires. But there is still time for states and localities to protect the integrity of the voting and build public confidence in the results. The public should insist that election officials put these protections in place right away.

There has been extensive documentation of the problems with electronic voting. Several studies have found that it is vulnerable to vote theft and to inadvertent errors that can alter the outcome of an election. These inherent flaws are made worse by the reckless, and possibly illegal, actions of voting machine companies. This spring, California banned 14,000 Diebold voting machines because of allegations of "fraudulent actions" by the manufacturer.

In a well-run election system, electronic voting machines costing millions of dollars would not have been purchased before there were adequate standards for ensuring that they work properly. But given that nearly one-third of voters may be voting electronically this fall, it is fortunate that a number of private groups - including the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University Law School and the Caltech/M.I.T. Voting Technology Project - have stepped forward with ideas for how election officials can minimize the risks. Kevin Shelley, the California secretary of state and a pioneer in the field, has also issued useful directives, many of which are on his official Web site.

Here are some things voters should demand:

Physical security for electronic systems Electronic voting machines must be kept secure at all times. It seems like an obvious point, but it's been ignored too often. In Georgia's March primary, voting machines were reported to have been delivered early to a polling place in a university student center, and left unattended. Some places start up machines the night before the election, a clear security risk.

The locks and antitampering devices on machines must be more secure. A study earlier this year in Maryland found, unbelievably, that all 16,000 electronic voting machines in the state had identical locks, which could be opened with a single key. The entire "chain of custody" of the voting, from the casting of ballots to the final tabulation, must be kept secure. Computers used in elections must not be used for anything else. All software used on them should be certified, and logs should be kept of everyone who has access to them.

Rigorous testing of electronic machines In many jurisdictions, testing is woefully inadequate. The machines should be exhaustively tested in advance, with real people casting votes, not simply machines "self-testing" their accuracy. The tests should use all of the ballot configurations that will be used in the election, and in large enough sample sizes to draw meaningful conclusions.

Randomly selected machines should be continually tested throughout Election Day. This "parallel monitoring," as it is known, can test parts of the system that come into play only during actual voting. It can ensure that no malicious software was installed that was designed to look honest before and after voting, but to steal votes during the election itself.

Properly trained poll workers, and rapid-response teams on Election Day Many of the problems that have occurred so far with electronic voting were due to election workers' errors. Poll workers must be extensively trained in the use of electronic voting machines, and given clearly written materials. On Election Day, there should be enough technology experts available to handle problems as they occur, monitoring teams doing spot checks for malfunctions and tampering, and rapid-response teams available for quick on-site visits.

Public records at the precinct level The more records that are created of vote totals, and the earlier in the process such records are created, the harder it is to steal votes. When the polls close, the results should be printed out and posted at each precinct and should remain there for at least one day to protect against alterations in the totals during transmission to the central office. Election results for precincts should also be immediately posted online.

The option to vote non-electronically Many voters do not trust electronic voting, and many are not confident of their computer skills. Any voter should be able to use a paper ballot. A review of Florida's primary this March found that elderly voters were more likely than others to cast ballots that did not select a candidate. Forcing people to vote electronically could lead to a rerun of the infamous "butterfly ballot" of 2000, with overly complicated voting technology that disenfranchises voters.

Independent security experts The short history of electronic voting has shown that manufacturers cannot be trusted when it comes to the reliability of their products. Jurisdictions that use electronic voting should employ outside experts to test their systems. These tests should be done well in advance and made public. Voters should be told what is being done to address any problems.

Transparency in electronic voting As we saw again this month in Florida, which was forced to scrap a flawed list of felons to be purged from voter rolls that it had originally kept from the public, secrecy in election administration is often a cover for incompetence, or even partisan manipulation. Voters should be able to monitor every aspect of electronic voting, from the purchase of machines to the final tabulation of votes, and offered enough training that they can understand what they are seeing.

In the long run, electronic voting should not be allowed without unimpeachable and mandatory security standards, and machines that allow voters to see paper records and ensure that their votes are properly recorded. Unfortunately, a large part of the electorate will be using electronic machines this fall that lack these safeguards. Election officials have an obligation to act now to make the system as reliable as possible.

Making Votes Count: Editorials in this series remain online at www.nytimes.com/makingvotescount. (http://www.nytimes.com/makingvotescount.)

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sidecross
07-24-2004, 08:30 AM
I too have an intuition of a bifurcation that can be seen as a revolutionary way of expression. The bifurcation is not divided into location points of focus. This will not be seen as North and South or East and West conflict; it will be interwoven into the fabric of daily routine.

I find extreme points of differentiation in everyday activity. The saving grace is a thin thread of cooperation between views. My concern is for the strength of this thread that keeps us from acting out Sudan and Bosnia.

We are in a profound time.

gone
07-24-2004, 10:11 AM
It’s becoming my new mantra, The Time Is Now.

Start in your community; there is a direct link: administrative, causal, ideological and psychic between making a tiny local thing better and the Mass Shift. Every seed of Good Thought is a success. It’s a consciousness campaign trail requiring old fashioned knocking on doors and saying, ‘Hope for Me!’

Charlie
07-26-2004, 02:06 AM
"Tectonic plates of human consciousness." Good phrase.

Yesterday was the Day Out of Time, according to the Mayan Calendar. I went to a ceremony, saw a lot of familiar faces, and some new ones, which was nice. We did a sort of Wiccan ceremony, celebrating the 4 elements; some group kundalini yoga; sweated in an Inipi. The sweat lodge was something new for me—pretty intense stuff.

The people I spoke with there believe the same as many people on this forum: consciousness is changing, but to take place as a worldwide phenomenon, will it be through catastrophe, or through a gradual awakening? Given our current situation, catastrophes are easy to imagine, but the latter is a tougher nut to crack... I can imagine a few possible impetuses to expand consciousness:

--Ingestion of native plant teachers on a large scale
--Neuronal signal "rewiring" coming from sun storms, magnetic shifts, planetic alignments
--Rising global outrage at governmental and multinational atrocities, leading to change
--A new generation of youth with a “clean karma” so to speak, which rejects current values
--As Gelfer says, an individual commitment of personal responsibility, flowing through communities

daniel
07-26-2004, 03:05 AM
My understanding is that to think anymore in terms of "masses" as in "mass consciousness shift" is somehow inappropriate. I tried to explain this on Art Bell. The new "consciousness structure" that Gebser describes, calling it "integral - aperspectival," is different from the current "mental rational" structure which is obsessed with quantification and meaningless spatial metaphors (such as "mass"). Gebser proposes intensification instead of expansion.

The transition or change is taking place on a different level and in a different form. Although it is still hard for me to understand what the final outcome of such a shift will be, I do think this is correct - the new perspective is based on a continual refinement of attunement to subtler aspects of reality, rather than anything that can be tabulated statistically. This is also why the Hopi or the Australian Aboriginals would have much to teach us at this point - their whole way of being was based on yogic discipline and attunement to deeper levels of reality - why the Aboriginals chose to live without shelter or clothes, and why the Hopi picked the most difficult possible environment for subsistence farming: You have to be in alignment with both the natural and supernatural orders to maintain yourself in such a way.

And anyway as Gurdjieff said, 200 fully conscious people could change the nature of all life on Earth - unfortunately attaining full consciousness is not an easy task!

gone
07-26-2004, 02:06 PM
Perhaps “mass shift” refers equally to the net effect of intensification as quantity of folk undertaking it. [In need of a chin-scratching emoticon...]

Humming
07-26-2004, 02:24 PM
Has anyone read about the US Election Assistance commission? They, in conjunction with the Department of Homeland Security, have begun developing contingency plans in order to "suspend the election" if necessary, in event of a terrorist attack. At least, that's what I read last. Perhaps that has already been whitewashed--right down the memory hole....

My Dad actually just mentioned this topic of electronic voter fraud occuring *again* in Florida, with recently US citizens being automatically marked "Republican" in their voter registrations.

I told him he should just accept the obvious conclusion--that if he thinks this election will be a free one, he is being fooled.

Lowlight
07-27-2004, 02:52 AM
Daniel you said above that what is needed is a movement like Ghandi's, this may be needed, but i cannot see it, Bush and his generals will not stand for it they will drive the tanks over the populace if they have to. unfortunatly i see only war as it has pretty much always been. As the man Alec says...blood and ashes.

forteanajones
07-27-2004, 10:51 AM
Not to bog down this very important subject with paranormal conjecture or Internet bunk (and rememembering the impression many on this board had of him) I am still reminded of this John Titor quote:


December 13, 2000 12:44
Does the current relationship between Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the coming war?

Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election. The Jewish population in Israel is not prepared for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense. Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and its offensive Arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause.
http://www.johntitor.com
http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/

sidecross
07-27-2004, 12:41 PM
According to figures I found all Christians comprise only 32.79% of the planets population. All Muslims make up the 2nd largest group at 19.6%.

Even if the Middle East turns into Dylan-like Highway 61, do you think the rest of the world's people in this age of communications will allow the destruction of the planet for a religious catfight?

Lowlight
07-28-2004, 12:30 AM
of course they will, religion in the widest sense of the word is your reaction to reality and what you believe about reality, so it is really the driving force behind each person and groups of people. It (religion) is an incredibly powerful force, it has ruined and made all previous civilisations and before ours can be created anew our present one must die.

sidecross
07-28-2004, 05:08 AM
To clarify a point, reduction thinking to predict or even plan a future is to pilot the future using only rearview mirrors.

Lowlight
07-28-2004, 07:26 AM
of course, but change is both creation and destruction, if we are to change we must be destroyed just as be must be created. this isnt reductionalist, its just the way things seem to be run. or rather the greater law of change which governs all movement.

daniel
07-29-2004, 05:18 AM
I prefer to project the most positive possible scenarios.

Mass consciousness change can happen very fast, especially with our present communications tech.

Recently, I think it was the Ukraine?, the despot Schevernadze was deposed in a "bloodless coup" with the people storming the presidential palace and the military simply stepping aside. Soros apparently was involved in laying the groundwork for this.

Could something similar happen here?

dragonfly
07-29-2004, 01:52 PM
Could something similar happen here?Let's hope so, especially considering whose finger is on the nuclear trigger:

From Capitol Hill Blue
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_4921.shtml

Bush Using Drugs to Control Depression, Erratic Behavior
By TERESA HAMPTON
Editor, Capitol Hill Blue
Jul 28, 2004, 08:09

President George W. Bush is taking powerful anti-depressant drugs to control his erratic behavior, depression and paranoia, Capitol Hill Blue has learned.

The prescription drugs, administered by Col. Richard J. Tubb, the White House physician, can impair the President’s mental faculties and decrease both his physical capabilities and his ability to respond to a crisis, administration aides admit privately.

“It’s a double-edged sword,” says one aide. “We can’t have him flying off the handle at the slightest provocation but we also need a President who is alert mentally.”

Angry Bush walked away from reporter's questions.Tubb prescribed the anti-depressants after a clearly-upset Bush stormed off stage on July 8, refusing to answer reporters' questions about his relationship with indicted Enron executive Kenneth J. Lay.

“Keep those motherfuckers away from me,” he screamed at an aide backstage. “If you can’t, I’ll find someone who can.”

Bush’s mental stability has become the topic of Washington whispers in recent months. Capitol Hill Blue first reported on June 4 about increasing concern among White House aides over the President’s wide mood swings and obscene outbursts.

Although*GOP loyalists dismissed the reports an anti-Bush propaganda, the reports were later confirmed by prominent George Washington University psychiatrist Dr. Justin Frank in his book Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President. Dr. Frank diagnosed the President as a “paranoid meglomaniac” and “untreated alcoholic” whose “lifelong streak of sadism, ranging from childhood pranks (using firecrackers to explode frogs) to insulting journalists, gloating over state executions and pumping his hand gleefully before the bombing of Baghdad” showcase Bush’s instabilities.

“I was really very unsettled by him and I started watching everything he did and reading what he wrote and watching him on videotape. I felt he was disturbed,” Dr. Frank said. “He fits the profile of a former drinker whose alcoholism has been arrested but not treated.”

Dr. Frank’s*conclusions have been praised by other prominent psychiatrists, including Dr. James Grotstein, Professor at UCLA Medical Center, and Dr. Irvin Yalom, MD, Professor Emeritus at Stanford University Medical School.

The doctors also worry about the wisdom of giving powerful anti-depressant drugs to a person with a history of chemical dependency. Bush is an admitted alcoholic, although he never sought treatment in a formal program, and stories about his cocaine use as a younger man haunted his campaigns for Texas governor and his first campaign for President.

“President Bush is an untreated alcoholic with paranoid and megalomaniac tendencies,” Dr. Frank adds.

The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment on this article.

Although the exact drugs Bush takes to control his depression and behavior are not known, White House sources say they are “powerful medications” designed to bring his erratic actions under control. While Col. Tubb regularly releases a synopsis of the President’s annual physical, details of the President’s health and any drugs or treatment he may receive are not public record and are guarded zealously by the secretive cadre of aides that surround the President.

Veteran White House watchers say the ability to control information about Bush’s health, either physical or mental, is similar to Ronald Reagan’s second term when aides managed to conceal the President’s increasing memory lapses that signaled the onslaught of Alzheimer’s Disease.

It also brings back memories of Richard Nixon’s final days when the soon-to-resign President wandered the halls and talked to portraits of former Presidents. The stories didn’t emerge until after Nixon left office.
One long-time GOP political consultant who – for obvious reasons – asked not to be identified said he is advising his Republican Congressional candidates to keep their distance from Bush.

“We have to face the very real possibility that the President of the United States is loony tunes,” he says sadly. “That’s not good for my candidates, it’s not good for the party and it’s certainly not good for the country.”

© Copyright 2004 Capitol Hill Blue

daniel
07-30-2004, 07:29 AM
the debates should be interesting!

Halfglass
08-01-2004, 02:53 AM
Dangonfly wow. That's some scary stuff. I hope Bush has a heart attack and drops dead.

Lowlight
08-01-2004, 10:46 AM
hey halfglass, they have probably got your name now for sayin that!!! you will be on the list man

Halfglass
08-01-2004, 11:55 AM
Maybe hu? Well how's this...I hope all religions fade away and make way for true, right thinking. We need to solve problems reguardless if there's any profit to be made in the process. We need to just fix things period! Bush is a believer in the handed-down Christian thing, warped like so many...against gays, stem-cell research, unwilling to admit he fuked up by going to war in Iraq (Afganastan with special forces maybe to get Taliban members etc.-- but we got...what a friggin' old backwards twit Bush. Not very macuan soundind name either BUSH....@#$%$#!!!*&^BUSH! I'm not saying I want someone to take him out, just that it'd be neat if the Gian (sp?)(fuk) Mind could send a signal up the chain of bugs on bugs and get his brain to throw a stroke!

Humming
08-10-2004, 03:55 PM
Marxist theory states that Communism is an inevitable economic evolution, as Capitalism would *always* result in revolution, given enough time.

I don't know about Communism, but Capitalism is obviously in its final death throes, as the reality of the destructive, ruthless, and ego-gorged nature of our economic system is brought to light.

We are, as Saul Williams says, "a nation in its Saturn years that won't acknowledge karma."

The misdirection system has ensnared and destroyed so many, but many are also beginning to break free. As this continues, as more information and radical thought is released into the main stream of consciousness, people will begin to wake up, realizing that they are enslaving themselves to accrue wealth for the corporate elite and not their own families. As more people realize this, and realize that if they step out of the cycle to evaluate the situation and find that they CAN change it through direct action--I believe that revolution will be possible. Inevitable even.

To my understanding, within the next century we will either be living free in outer space, encapsulated within synthetic self-malleable dream realities, or we will be chemically and physically enslaved by the most effective and brutal totalitarian regime ever known.

We MUST conceieve of the positive, and act to make it a reality, or we will be blindsided by the most devilish and horrific aspects of human nature--obsessive control, fear, and destruction.

I believe that a non-violent revolution would be the only method that would ever yeild a truly honest and worthy society in the aftermath.

But at this point, I will take whatever I can get....

"Bring down the government. They don't, they don't speak for us." --Radiohead.

forteanajones
08-10-2004, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by Humming:
To my understanding, within the next century we will either be living free in outer space, encapsulated within synthetic self-malleable dream realities, or we will be chemically and physically enslaved by the most effective and brutal totalitarian regime ever known.Kind of sound like the same thing, to me.

Lowlight
08-11-2004, 09:04 AM
im not sure about the dream capsule thing as i am always suspect of such utopian things. the utopias of the past have always led to the ashes in this world, i see no reason why this would change. Danger and suffering are part of human existance and utopias eliminate these things. without them we would not be. but that doesnt mean i think things cant take a turn for the better. Revolution is only ever one day away, ONE DAY. That is all it would take. violence maybe needed, maybe not, but all we need is one day where the people decide they will not stand for the world that has been created for them by the people in power. If we as a people, as a nation, as a continent take to the streets and refuse to work until we have change the economy would collapse soon after, then they will have to listen, then they would have to change. One day away...

Charlie
08-11-2004, 10:20 PM
Humming wrote:

"To my understanding, within the next century we will either be living free in outer space, encapsulated within synthetic self-malleable dream realities, or we will be chemically and physically enslaved by the most effective and brutal totalitarian regime ever known."

The neatly packaged view of reality which I held my entire life is slowly but surely collapsing under it’s diametrically hollow, overinflated weight. Humming’s simple phrase “dream reality” is one of the keys to that collapse. The words seem like a dichotomy, because after all, “It was only a dream.”

Why marginalize experiences that actually happen to us, a state we exist in for one-third of our lives? If you went back to your childhood or walked from your living room into a forest, did you not truly experience it? Were you there or not? Why is it less valid than your “waking” reality? Because you couldn´t stay there? Because what happened in the dream is “impossible”?

Your physical experiences in the waking state, are that and only that. How limited! When we are dreaming, we are truly in the portal, we are in the fucking interdimensional elevator. One of the results of the new consciousness, will be to discover all the buttons for the floors.

Dreaming is an altered state of consciousness. Forget about the prefix “Sub.” As a matter of fact, x-out the word "altered" as well.

From a conversation with John Lilly:

DJB: How would you define what a hallucination is?

JOHN: That's a word I never use because it's very disconcerting, part of the explanatory principle and hence not useful. Richard Feynmen, the physicist, went into the isolation tank here twelve times. He did three hours each time and when he finished he sent me one of his physics books in which he had inscribed, "Thanks for the hallucinations."

So I called him up and I said, "Look, Dick, you're not being a scientist. What you experience you must describe and not throw into the wastebasket called "hallucination." That's a psychiatric misnomer; none of that is unreal that you experienced."

http://www.mavericksofthemind.com/lilly-int.htm

[ August 11, 2004, 11:19 PM: Message edited by: Charlie ]

Lowlight
08-12-2004, 02:59 AM
exactly, the marginalisation of other states of consciousness is endemic in the west. dreaming, visualisation, drug states, meditation, open eye visuals, all these things are part of reality. they are not just your brain gone haywire as deep meaning and self growth is so often walking hand in hand with these states. we need to incorporate them into daily life through practice and acceptance. then we may be able to get this planet back on track.

daniel
08-12-2004, 03:57 AM
I thought I have been working with lately: The psyche is like a hypercube, an extradimensional object, and the different forms of consciousness are different planes or vectors along that cube.

Halfglass
08-13-2004, 05:48 PM
Hey Daniel: remember that time in N.Y.? You said you weren't into models (over a cup of chilled coffiestuff) when I was going on about Julian Barbours's "The end of Time" and his models of time slices which are locked into eternal "nows"...never really moving. (Your cube sounds similar LOL!)

Humming
08-17-2004, 06:42 AM
Sorry about the semantics. I feel the same way about dreams and hallucinations as you do. For society to attempt to dictate which perceptual experiences are valid and valid, relegating the only "real" experiences to those perceived in the material world, is absurd.

Any experience is a reality, to the extent that you make it so.

Daniel, have you read at all about super string theory? As I understand it, the theory postulates that at the beginning of the universe, our cosmological mythos of the "big bang," the ten dimensions of the universe split apart. The four dimensions that we humans can usually perceive expanded exponentially, while the remaining six contracted exponentially. This gives us a world in which we appear to perceive only space and time, but in reality our connection with the universe goes much deeper, and six largely untapped and unexperienced dimensions exist inside of us.

That would support a conception of consciousness as an extradimensional hypercube. I don't know about the exactitudes of string theory, but it's clear to me that in "altered states" we are able to access interdimensional travel. "Traveling without moving" is the metaphor I always like to conceive, from Frank Herbert's "Dune" series. Also, string theory seems to correlate quite closely with shamanic notions of ley lines. I need to read more....

[ August 17, 2004, 06:44 AM: Message edited by: Humming ]