wormholes

[paul]

quetzalcotal, 2012 and castenadas reality tunnels?
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/author/henry/stargateswormholes.shtml
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"the law of karma"

[ February 14, 2005, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: paul ]

[daniel]

conjure a "vision serpent" if you want - but you better know what to do when it gets here.

Maya Cosmogenesis 2012 by Jenkins has a lot of good ideas and speculations about this.

[silentwolf]

What's a "vision serpent," Daniel? I've never heard the term before.

I've noticed in my practices that certain streams of energy tend to coil like serpents as they move...I believe it's due to the natural tendency for all things to move in circles, or spirals.

[forteanajones]

Originally posted by daniel:
conjure a "vision serpent" if you want - but you better know what to do when it gets here.Um, assemble a crack team led by Steve Irwin and Paul Hogan?

But seriously, I personally lean towards the idea of the serpent theme relating more to our DNA structure than to literal serpentine entities.

[daniel]

as in the great image of Quetz emerging from a serpent's jaws on that website, there are numerous sculptures of mayan wizard-kings emerging from the jaws of cosmic serpents and monsters... jenkins proposes that these represent their means of traveling between different "dimensions." Maya Cosmos by Friedel and Schiele, a mainstream work of archaeology, noted something I found very interesting: There were little scratched drawings of these events on the walls of the temples, as though someone observing the actual event had tried to record it.

some quotes:

In Mesoamerican ideas about world Creation, cosmogenesis takes place via a kind of weaving process. Reality is thus undergirded by a system of threadlike links. In other words, space-time itself is woven together in ways that human beings, stuck within the three-dimensional space-time "fabric" of observable reality, cannot readily perceive. ... modern physicists also describe a network of threadlike links between distance places, "wormholes" in space-time that tunnel through a higher dimension. Physicists even joke about making faster-than-lightspeed journeys to distant stars by accessing these holes in space. 202

... we may propose a complex Maya science of shamanically invoking a "wormhole" in local space-time, an opening to the transdimensional realm that ultimately gets its power from the Black Hole within the Galactic Center, and traveling through it to other worlds.

But what does it mean for a serpent cord to descend and open? Who was traveling through the hole in space-time? Is such a scenario just a fanciful fairy tale, or could it have involved the actual activities of Maya kings and shamans? 203

[daniel]

sorry - those quotes from John Major Jenkins' Maya Cosmogenesis 2012 not Friedel and Schiele's book - I strongly recommend the Jenkins book for those interested in this whole area.

[daniel]

one more thought - jenkins language is rather imprecise : "... we may propose a complex Maya science of shamanically invoking a "wormhole" in local space-time, an opening to the transdimensional realm that ultimately gets its power from the Black Hole within the Galactic Center, and traveling through it to other worlds."

What would it mean "ultimately gets its power from"? How could we understand that more cogently? Arguelles goes deeper here - but it is also speculative. He suggests that the earth has a crystal core, thus acting as a tranceiver and receiver, that the "noosphere" is connected to the Van Allen radiation belts, which are fed energy/information from the sun (and the t zolkin is connected to the binary sun-spot cycle). The opening of any "wormhole" would require being deeply in "harmonic resonance" with the entire system, permeating it contemplatively as well as actualizing it ritualistically.

Language here becomes a kind of psychophysics... I would imagine that when science, poetry, and our understanding reach a coherent meeting point, we will know what they actually did and be able to do it ourselves.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Old pond,new frog.Old frog,new pond.Splash.

[Lowlight]

I remember reading a couple of books on the Maya in the mid-late 90s but soon after i had a ninilistic episode and lost interest in reading about that culture. The books i read were by maurice cotterel (sic) and i thought he stretched the limits of reason with his ideas, some of which seemed utterly absurd to me at the time. But, over the last few years i have come round to being open to pretty much anything, but never went back to his books. Can anyone suggest maybe the 3 best books on the subject as the whole Maya thing is something that i would like to know more about but there seem to be a lot of bad books on the subject out there and cannot afford time or money on buying books that are lightweight or unwarranted. I had a bad book experience last year which i do not want to repeat. anyone read 'the division of consciousness' by peter novak? truely terrible even though the basic premise is something that i think may be valid in principle. Anyway please pour forth your suggestions on Mayan reading!

Many thanks to all

Peace

Lowlight

[silentwolf]

If the Mayans actually had a technology for opening wormholes, it was probably hidden when the Spaniards arrived. If it was through conscious act of Will, we will be hard pressed to recover their methods of opening these wormholes.

There is, of course, the possibility that the technology was that of the Annunaki, and was carried away with them when Quetzalcoatl sunk his temple into Titicaca.

[gone]

Originally posted by Lowlight:
I had a bad book experience last year which i do not want to repeat. anyone read 'the division of consciousness' by peter novak? truely terrible even though the basic premise is something that i think may be valid in principle.I think he posted here once or twice a year or so ago, more to drive traffic to his site than for discussion, which is a shame.

[Lowlight]

Really! his actual idea that consciousness divides at death is something that i find interesting, but so much of that book he wrote was wild and unfounded conjecture. Its a shame because the actual idea may be of worth.

Peace

[daniel]

i saw cotterrel speak and i sensed a sham, however... there was also a bit of a castaneda trickster element in the air, and i think he might be onto something with the idea that they hid pictures within pictures... it is clear they were very tricky, loving puns on all levels (as with the quetzal chirp).

Arguelles' perspective is the indigenous Maya did not have the wormhole-opening skill. He thinks the wizards-kings of the classical Maya actually belonged to a level of galactic intelligence involved in programming the destiny of the earth - the activation of the noosphere in 2012 - who came at that time to leave info about time encoded in the ruins.

I would read:

Maya Cosmogenesis 2012 - Jenkins
The Mayan Factor - Arguelles

and i don't know - a lot of possibilities for a third...
Maya Cosmos (mainstream archaeology)

The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness by Calleman

The Hidden Maya by Martin Brennan

Peter Tompkins book on the Mexican Pyramids was good.

a lot of these people have resources on-line, including calleman, jenkins, and arguelles.

[paul]

posts111111

Nice thread we've got going here.

daniel...

I have problems with Jenkins personally , ...thou' more with the terminology than with many of the concepts he presents as such...

More relevantly... i am unsure if many of the
opinions advertised here are yours or his...

If i'm reading you corrrectly, (which i'm not sure i am) , you seem to be presenting a version of the cheesy who is it doing the asking argument?

Visiting many of the sacred shrines in india / pakistan ....( HIndu and islamic)... .i oftan thought of them as points on the harmonic grid...as "worm holes" ...gateways to the divine..

(which of course is both within and without...)

but which, within most traditions has an alef point...a point of manifestation... at which the thought {or godhead} became physical {god}...

(basic islamic doctorine, al- i becoming allah)

To return to your question, as i understood it...... what are worm holes within...... they are within god,

as physically manifested...

as leading closer to the point (singularity) at which god, (as thought, as conciousness) became/decided to manifest.

[ February 16, 2005, 07:43 PM: Message edited by: paul ]

[Lowlight]

Thanks for that Daniel. I will hopefully get my hand on those books soon. Yeah i half felt the same about Cotterrel from what i read of his work. The picture within pictures were probably the strongest part of his books, but he always seemed to jump to conclusions and engage in sometimes wild specualtions that later became central to his arguments. Maybe i will look at them again, its been a while.

Thanks again Daniel

peace

lowlight