Its about time

[smart-s]

Per the "big bang" theory universe originally was created from a marble-sized object which was used to create "matter" in one/trillionth of one/trillionth of a second. And, 6 billion years of evolution later there are now intelligent human "beings". Since this creation of "matter" and the start of "time" we have made time, spent time, wasted time, killed time, passed time, took time, served time, etc.

The Mayans and others devoted a lot of their energy to measuring time and the movements of the stars, the sun, the planets and their moons. They built monuments that emulated these movements and predicted some future events based on these movements.

A lot of societies like the Mayans, Greeks, Romans and Egyptians were located in warmer climates where there were not four seasons as is the case in the northern regions. Also, in the northern areas during the summer-time, the days are 15 hours long and in the winter only 7. There are no pyramids or sundials in these areas to show they understood these somewhat unpredictable or irrational occurences. They may have had to spend more of there "time" just surviving.

In his works on synchronocity, Jung often referred to the studies of ESP by J.B. Rhine. These tests showed that the testees were able to predict the results at a higher rate than chance. Also, the prediction rate was not reduced by distance or time, but only after the test was done too many times and the interest had waned.
Jung concluded that the psyche exists independently form "matter" and "time.

When the creator, "Yah-weh" or "Quetzalcoatl" decides that that the "time" is right to descend into his creation it will be interesting to be around to witness the event. Whether it is on the winter solistice of 2012 will be up to "him" or "her" or "it". This "time" "he" (the jealous god) will not send his only begotten son to die for us but incarnate as "him" or "her" self.

[albente]

Good post, I also came to the conclusion that time is the 'magic one'.
I am sure that certain contemporary minds in the West also tried to 'touch' that holy grail and burned more than their fingers in the process. Probably they were more concerned with 'owning the world', which of course you would at the moment when you access movement within time, but that's obviously not how it works.

[nanouk]

...so what about 2012? It is here and now.

[okster]

actually....its 2006 - 6 years to go until the end of 2012

they say ALL TIME IS NOW and i don't doubt it

and yet - sometimes its useful to know what time it is

lots of work to do

LOTS OF WORK TO DO

A good place to start (or continue):
http://www.chelseagreen.com/2006/items/revolution

The Revolution Will Not Be Microwaved

LOTS OF WORK TO DO!!!!!!!!!!

We need healers - of ourselves, each other, the whole planet.
Cities must be scaled down. NOW!
Lawns must be replaced by organic food gardens. NOW!
The healing sciences of yoga and qigong must be mastered. NOW!
Cities must be surrounded by organic farms. NOW!
Cars (ALL CARS!) must be replaced by bicycles. NOW!
(later we will happily walk on our healthy legs and beautiful footpaths)
The chopping down of forests must stop now!
The coyotes must come back - we caused Lyme disease.
Trees must be planted.
Preach, teach, live, learn, heal.
Build a real library and share it.
Be an example.
Don't give up.
Keep your amygdalas to the front.
Envision healing.
There will a be a hundredth human.
Something will click at the tipping point.
We can heal the planet.
We are the disease.
We must heal ourselves.

TIME is running out.
IS it too late?
IS there time?
Can there ever not be time?
What time is it?

just some thoughts....

Pray for guidance.

[nanouk]

That was what i meant, why wait for 2012 when we can start now, or yesterday, or whenever we are ready? 2012 seems to be the deadline, like the deadline for alternatives to nuclear power as main source in Sweden is 2025....that may be too late, but how many manufacturers would be interested in converting to deep fat frying oil withing the next half decade? (just as an example)

Love and Respect,
~n~

[okster]

yeah yeah yeah
2025 is way too late, but they'll see

2012 IS now

its the mindset of healing

2012 might be a deadline
hopefully we play with that
and work with it

balancing calmness and urgency

use the critical path method
and look for levers
everything matters
everything counts

what an interesting movie we find ourselves in!

I know nothing

[okster]

faster and faster all the time
things will change
kicked in the ass
we will learn

[okster]

just came across this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670032921/

Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View
Richard Tarnas

looks to be super cool
we need inspiration to keep our spirits up!

[gandydancer]

Thank you okster! That book is going to be my daughter's Christmas present. She is just starting to do charts for other people and this book will be excellent. BTW, I just came from her home and I noticed many little play dough balls on her dresser in different clolors and sizes from marble size to almost golf ball sized. She said she uses them to place on people's charts so they can get a better feeling of what their chart is saying to/about them. How creative my daughter is! :D

[Eagle Wing]

Tarnas' book is a sort of layman's primer to mundane astrology -- the study of astrology and history. It is good in many respects -- it's good to see academics venturing into this kind of territory, and his descriptions of archetypes and the functions of the outer planets could be helpful. But some of his astrology is just not that good (i say that as a practicing professional astrologer). Tarnas claims to have researched this book for 30 years but his bibliography of mundane astrology is flabby. And he seems to be completely unaware of the vast amount of traditional astrological material that has come out of translation in the last 15 years due to the work of Project Hindsight and ARHAT. One would think that Tarnas would be more interested in the depths of his chosen field of study. Plus, some of his analysis and focus seems off to me: in this book, the Paris student uprising of 1968 - which in retrospect seems only to have led to the downfall of Charles de Gaulle - is vastly more important than the American war in Vietnam, which is hardly mentioned. That being said, this book is good for people with an interest in astrology-- but not for the practicing astrologer.
Gandy, I would recommend several other books for your daughter -- she will find them much more useful on her path of helping people with spiritual guidance!
How To Read Your Astrological Chart[U] and [U]Healing Pluto Problemsby Donna Cunningham are great places to start.
The Moment of Astrology: Origins in Divination by Geoffrey Cornelius is hands-down, the best all-around book about how one should think about the usefulness of astrology.
I also recommend any of Dane Rudhyar's work, particularly The Lunation Cycle, The Pulse of Life, and An Astrological Mandala

[Rob P]

.......

i saw richard speak in march '06
at the anthroposophical society here in nyc.....
he was very interesting, and mentioned that his
work on this book was connected to, and began back when he
was writing 'the passion of the western mind'.....

he has lots of appreciation for rudolf steiner.

also, check this great website....

http://www.cosmosandpsyche.com/

seeya
r o b

.......

[gandydancer]

Well, I don't know. But what I am wondering Eagle Wing, is there any possibility that you are missing the point regarding the Tarnas book/books?

Could it be like comparing Lewis Thomas' book The Lives of a Cell to some of the best cellular biology books?

What I am wondering is, do you think that the Tarnas books (even though they may fall short in some areas) might be so good in that they place astrology in its proper place as umm, real science and not pseudo science, and in that they draw from in the thoughts of so many of the great masters in to one book? Umm, not a "how to" book but a "why" book?

[Eagle Wing]

yes, you're totally right. uhh,, sorry about the tone of that last post... yeah i think i was a little harsh! More the scorpion than the eagle that time. And I actually really liked the book... I just felt a bit disappointed by what I saw as gaping holes that begged to be filled in with stuff like eclipse cycles and seasonal ingresses... i just have my own little personal axe to grind regarding the practice or popular understanding of astrology is all!
Anyway, your point is spot on.
sorry to drop that on ya.