The Return of Quetzalcoatl

[M. Twilite]

I posted mine, Daniel, like a good little soldier. And I pasted it in a few bars back.

I had to go review the Da Vinci Code the other day... and turgid and unbearable as it was, I couldn't help feeling the whole thing is interesting as a way to sugar-coatedly kick Catholiscism's evil a-ss and open the mass mindset to new possibilities and to plant the seed in whomever watches it/reads it to not automatically crucify or shoot the next person who comes along with news that may compromise their current worldview.

[Douglas]

Why feed Douglas? It's like with Swami a couple of months ago. There is no point. He has been skinned numerous times by many people here. He just doesn't realize it.Sure thing. Like my pointing out the self-contradictory nature of claiming that truth is subjective, all the while trying to argue against the truth/validity of my views and arguing for the truth and validity of the claim "truth is subjective". I don't think anyone here has yet recognized the sloppy logic they are swimming in. (Come to think of it, though, I suppose many here would claim that "logic" is useless, or even a hindrance, and as such should be ignored.)

Oh, and I forgot about how I had been oh so "skinned" in my asking daniel if there are evil spirits who might lie and seek to deceive people. You know, I'm pretty sure he never directly answered that, but he did come right out and suggest that my "visions" could be the result of essentially "lying spirits". I wonder how he would recognize whether his "vision" (or "visions") were the result of lying spirits, particularly those "visions" which come from a spirit identifying itself with the Biblical "father of lies" (the "Beast" and "666").

I don't have much time right now (I'm at a library - my laptop is on the fritz, and won't let me access the Internet for some reason ), but I want to point out that it is inappropriate (I am mentally stuck, and can't think of a better word at the moment) to try to use the name of Christ, or the "title" of "Christ", or the teachings of Christ, to support teachings which can be clearly and directly shown would have been, would be, rejected by Jesus. It would be like my claiming that daniel promotes Evangelical Christianity.

Now, I can prove to anyone willing to be fair-minded and objective that Jesus viewed His death as a substitionary atonement for the sins of mankind, and that Jesus held to the Biblical (Old and New Testament) view of sin as being a transgression of God's laws and character of love. I can prove that Jesus viewed His death as being the only way a person could be reconciled to God, in having their sins forgiven, and I can prove that Jesus viewed "forgiveness" in the traditional Biblical (Evangelical Christian) manner (that is, Jesus viewed "forgiveness" as the act of "giving up a claim to requital"; i.e., as the act of "granting relief from payment of a debt"). I should not have to point out that if Jesus did indeed hold to any one of these views (and I can prove that He held to each of them), He would have rejected the basic world-view espoused by daniel and most others who frequent this site. Thus, those who attempt to use the name or title "Christ" as support for teachings which would have been [i]rejected by Jesus would be shown to have no foundation for their use of the term. And, as an added bonus, it would be shown that the "Quetzalcoatl" being who manifested to daniel either had no idea what the term "Christ" means ("Quetzalcoatl", in his/its message to daniel, uses the phrase, "Christ consciousness", as though each of us can attain a "Christ consciousness", which is an utter distortion of what the term "Christ" in the Bible means), or was intentionally lying about spiritual truths. In either case, "Quetzalcoatl" would be shown to be untrustworthy.

When I have the time, I will prove the above points I mentioned. For the time being, I would refer those interested to Jesus' statements regarding John the Baptist, and to John the Baptist's statements regarding Jesus. (I would suggest the statements be taken in that order, so that no one's prejudices towards the Evangelical Christian view cause them to not take John the Baptist's statements with the weight and authority they deserve [that is, if Jesus was a "Master", and commended John and his statements, then one must either accept John's statements as they are, or one must essentially undercut Jesus' "spiritual mastery" and insight, effectively causing the "Christ consciousness" to be not so "conscious"].)

I shall return (I hope).

[ May 30, 2006, 01:48 PM: Message edited by: Douglas ]

[otter]

Hi Daniel,

Would you please make a Jesus thread for Douglas?

This is like turning on the TV to receive the daily dose of Talking Points.

Or....start a new thread for Quetz - on topic posts only?

Synchronistically yours,
otter

[sacha]

I think Daniel is traveling and he doesn't seem to be on this board much lately (as witness the spam piling up). I wonder if Douglas could be courteous enough to start a new dedicated Jesus thread himself.

[Douglas]

sacha,

Yes, could be. And I will. But it wasn't until others here mentioned it that I even thought of starting a new thread here, as I never imagined that anyone other than daniel could start a new thread (don't ask me why I thought this, because I'm not sure).

[ June 16, 2006, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: Douglas ]

[sidecross]

"Since when can a guy on mushrooms land a punch? And no one likes a global morality bully who's tripping. Whatever happened to just taking drugs? Visionary flights sound like such a downer. But if things change in 2012, please paint me blue."

'2012: THE RETURN OF QUETZALCOATL,' BY DANIEL PINCHBECK
The End Is High

Review by ANTHONY SWOFFORD
Published: June 18, 2006

DANIEL PINCHBECK has done a lot of psychedelics, and he's here again to tell us about those trips and the resulting dreams, daemons and synchronicities, as well as the forthcoming "global decimation" that might be avoided if people begin "confronting their habitual mechanisms of avoidance and denial, overcoming their fear and conditioned cynicism."

In his previous book, "Breaking Open the Head: A Psychedelic Journey Into the Heart of Contemporary Shamanism," Pinchbeck mined much of the same material and substances. "2012" pushes the baggie a little further and "advances a radical theory: that human consciousness is rapidly transitioning to a new state . . . a transformed realization, of time and space and self." He adds: "The transition is already under way . . . and will become increasingly evident as we approach the year 2012." That's the year the Mayan "Great Cycle" ends.

In 2012, urban liberals and fundamentalist Christians alike lose their heads to the Pinchbeckian guillotine, a machine made not of wood and steel but the after-effects of DMT ("a seven-minute rocket-shot into an overwhelming other dimension"), ayahuasca, magic mushrooms, LSD and iboga ("a psychedelic root bark that is the center of the Bwiti cult").

Of the multiple difficulties encountered by the writer of drug-induced-mind-expansion narratives, none is more important to overcome than that of transferring the effect of the drug to his prose, a near impossibility attained by only a few — William S. Burroughs comes to mind, as well as Thomas De Quincey.

Not so Pinchbeck. His descriptions of his trips are New Age narcissistic and fortune-cookie cute. Apparently, when you are mindblown on iboga, the root teacher speaks in CAPS. Among the messages Pinchbeck receives: "PRIMORDIAL WISDOM TEACHER OF HUMANITY." While on a "fungal sacrament," Pinchbeck describes the Nevada morning desert at Burning Man as "a Narnia sunrise of golden cloud fingers and taffeta swirls feather-spinning across the horizon." No thanks, dude, I'll pass on the fungal.

If you ingest psychedelics and write about their galactic psychic healing properties and tell your readers you offer them your book "as a gift handed backward through space-time, from beyond the barrier of a new realm," you need at least an ounce of humor and warmth to go along with it all. It's hard to swallow the counterculture self-help pill — or leaf or drink or droplet — offered by a self-proclaimed "somewhat bohemian and alienated intellectual," especially a bohemian intellectual who writes plodding sentences that utterly fail to render his ascent into other, better worlds of consciousness and sensation.

Pinchbeck insists the crisis he's trying to help us solve is global, but throughout "2012" there is ample evidence that the crisis is Pinchbeck's own: there's his recently dead father; the birth of his daughter; the wealthy and beautiful partner who is unable to match his same high enthusiasm for psychedelics and an open relationship; the witnessing of the 9/11 attacks from his partner's Soho loft; the inability to score, while high, in an Amazonian jungle with a woman who calls herself a priestess; and ultimately being forced to live in an underheated South Williamsburg share apartment. The high seas of the global psychic crisis are rough.

Pinchbeck's thinking suffers from the deep navel-gazing that comes so naturally to this son of urban humanist materialist liberals, the very class he disparages for their atheism, passivity and greed. Not that he is off the mark. Most of the people who once sang Beatles anthems and marched for civil rights are now more concerned with the stock market and real estate — not to mention the quality of the new sod job at the golf course — than with world peace or the welfare of indigenous peoples. But haven't we known this for at least two decades? And will doing psychedelics really help usher in a new era of living and being?

Pinchbeck's censure of corporate globalization and hegemonic thought is well meant. Petro-domination and the desecration of the biosphere are real dangers that require immediate attention. But Pinchbeck's reasoning moves quickly from practical, thoughtful criticisms to the conclusion that near the end of 2012 the world as we know it will end. It's akin to stating that because a 10-year-old shoplifted a pack of gum, next Wednesday her entire family will turn blue.

"2012" occasionally engages the reader solely because of the cast of characters Pinchbeck befriends and cites — crop circle hoaxsters and devotees, believers in extraterrestrials, physicists and poets, time concept revisionists and their acolytes.

Pinchbeck's most lucid writing surrounds the two periods of his life that receive the least attention in this book: his youth in Manhattan, in the atmosphere of truly avant-garde writers, personalities and artists (his parents among them), and a visit to Hopiland, at the end of the book. His rage at what he sees as the thieving and wasting of the Hopiland aquifer by a coal mining company, as assisted by Enron, is the kind of writing you want from a muckraker and subversive. Rage at social injustice is infinitely preferable to claims of drug-induced prescience and visionary flights, but Pinchbeck's romantic subservience to psychedelics and their doubtful global psychic breakthroughs (he liberally uses the words "might," "could" and "perhaps") soften the anti-establishment punches he occasionally throws.

Since when can a guy on mushrooms land a punch? And no one likes a global morality bully who's tripping. Whatever happened to just taking drugs? Visionary flights sound like such a downer. But if things change in 2012, please paint me blue.

Anthony Swofford is the author of "Jarhead." His first novel, "Exit A," will be published early next year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/18/books/review/18swofford.html

[Isaiah Mpski]

"just taking drugs"
God damn I take at least 300$ worth of drugs to keep my blood pressure working and my head cool.
Seems though there is alot of anxiety going around now amongst us baby boomers and rightly so.
Each of you would do well to find a safe place to run to besides Burning Man and try and find some mind peace,garden grown food and morality.

[drew hempel]

jarhead -- isn't that the dude who went to Iraq and wrote an expose book on it? Anyway -- the only good part is not getting to fuck the sex priestess in the Amazon. that's just too funny and trying to use that as a slam against Daniel just shows the jarhead is just reusing Daniel's material.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Jar head is Jughead Charley's cousin fighting with US in Iraq.
You know who Jug-eared Charley is don't you Thom?

I believe he is a distant cousin of Christ.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Look Drew-we both know getting up halfway through your presentation means one of two things.
Anxiety or time to take your daily meds.
Neither is a good sign for our friend Daniel.
I have never been able to bring back one dumpster diver.
I made some progress with the Dobie Bro who od'ed on LSD in Austin and I think he ultimately rejoined the group.

Not that it is any of my business but I think Daniel is having trouble with some of his cns axon-dentrite synaptic neurotransmitters and if my guess is right strung out on Douglas.LOL.just really enjoy passive schizophrenicism.I've learned alot from my patients.

Again Drew,thanks for the post on ultrasound equiptment although I couldn't figure the conversion weight.Do you know of anyone in Germany who makes them.

[anker]

The NY Times review is shit. Seems like a hatchet job by someone who would never be open to any of it anyway. The review was written by an ex-marine. This is a person who thinks it's fine to kill humans. If he didn't, he wouldn't have joined. An asshole with a bit of he-man writer in him.

Also he mentioned DeQuincey and Burroughs as being the best writers on psychedelia, and DeQuincey only wrote about opium and Burroughs mainly wrote about heroin, and his psychedelic writings were restricted to Yage, and he never liked it, either. So the review is just wrong. Hunter S wrote ok on drugs.

It's possibilities to other realms ones has to accept to find any merit in Daniel's work. That and belief that psychedlics are more than getting fucked up. Someone who wants to kill ain't that person.

I'm a friend of Daniel's and one of the kooky characters in his book, so I'm a little biased. Never posted before, been reading a bit of the posts.

Douglas: You are dull and that's a sin. It's not Jesus who bugs me, it's his fan-club.

Peace ouch.

[Agent Smith]

Burroughs was an excellent psychonaught. the heroin was besides the point, since much of his writing stemmed from his dreamlife.

and what the fuck does being willing to kill or not have to do with having an open minded perspective? sounds like somebody's stuck in their wittle perception ov weality, yes it does, doesn't it? yes it does.

"be seeing you"

[Isaiah Mpski]

Smith,
If you are still in NYC,I urge you to get out quickly.Sounds like either the dog shit or the fire in Brooklyn are getting to you.
If you guys have another black out up there Smith how far do you think you could get then.
Get out now Smith but before you do I want you to go by and pick up a few of my friends there.
John Sparks-film producer there.Did a documentary on me for Dallas TV station and said he would do some more.
James V. Hart-co wrte screenplay for CONTACT.
Johnnie Keeton.All three of the above mentioned are grads with me from Eastern Hills High in Fort Worth Texas.
Smith is there anything you can do in this world besides think?
Are you capable of growing a tomato or catching a fish?
Now is the time to act my brother.Haed for the mountains.The Mountains of Bush.Help me produce a good movie and retire a multimillionaire.

yahoo group-PickOverFlow-misc pics-Lake Eufaula Ok and I-40.

[ June 19, 2006, 03:50 AM: Message edited by: Isaiah Mpski ]

[sidecross]

First, let me congratulate daniel for having his recently published book reviewed in the NYT Sunday Book Review; many writers would welcome a review.

Anthony Swofford is a good writer; I had the opportunity to hear him twice first on a book tour broadcasted by C-SPAN, and another time an interview broadcasted on the same source.

I found Swofford’s review and view quite similar to my own. This my no means is a slap at daniel; for a writer who has just turned 40, daniel is not even near fulfilling his potential as a writer and observer.

Let the future be the judge for daniel and what he has to write and say.

[drew hempel]

Yeah I had paged through Jarhead while it was on a table at B&N -- downtown Minneapolis, Minnesota.

The best part to me was when he details how the officers had the army engineers design the shitters to maximize pain for the army grunts.

Jarhead was a good on-the-ground account by someone just trying to survive the military.

The recent role of psychologists in advising torture techniques has been labelled:

"behavioral drift" by the head of the APA -- as discussed on http://democracynow.org

Anyway this element of total mind-control where army inductees are made to chant that decapitating grandmas is a great thing, etc., is pretty wacked.

drew hempel, M.A.

[Agent Smith]

decapitating grannies?

that's just comedy.

sidecross nailed it, it's the old p.t.barnum axiom 'any publicity is good publicity.'

[Isaiah Mpski]

If you really want insight about questioning you need to see or hear what they do to "defectors"
A very good description is given in the novel "Cardinal of the Kremlin" when the woman spy from America is given an Indaclon treatment in the isolation tank.Read this book for it might happen to you if you go to Russia and you and I bought know we are old socialists at heart.
Drew,you still have not ad dressed the problem I see with Daniel in the present-you know YOU HAVE TO BE HERE NOW act,and my fear he is turning to the syndrome-long noted but heretofore not named-Dumpster Diving Syndrome secondary to fucking with the neurotransmitters in two many places.Hopefully not in his av system,which probably taken several years from my life
"For it is a hard rabit to replace
her magesty Heroine,my delight.
Fore if ye have not seen her at death's doors
then you have not thought of your end.
The beginning ,I understand had something to do with Co Cain ded Able and ate his meat."

[Isaiah Mpski]

What about the publicity for Cain.Do you or have you thought about the power in the mark of Cain.
It is of course the tatto on my thigh,
"...King of Kings
Lord of Lords.."given to me by San Antonio in March of 85.

Come to your senses man if you've read everything I've posted on here you would quickly come to the conclusion that I am the Laird with psychic powers.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Ah rather I should say that I got the tatto in San Antonio just across the street from the FBI office as I was on my way to pick up ioo,ooo$ in Houston on April I ,1985.
I am still having terrible time posting pictures outside of what has been published on yahoo group PickOverFlow-misc pics.Exit 262 on I-40.Two miles east of US 69 at Checotah,Oklahoma.
As many of you may or may not know I am a physician who was employed by the US government to yearly hx and physicals on people who have been placed under protective custody for one reason or the other.
One of the first people I got to examine and which is not secret was Landis Wilson.Landis was quickly approaching his mid ninitirs and this was in 75 or 76.Landis built the railroad the supplied the materials etc for building the Panama Canal.He was also a contemporary of Pancho Villa and geronimo and after he built the railroad rode horseback through all the national parks gathering rocks to make a barbeque pit on his ranch near sanSAntonio.
Landis was extremely proud of the artifacts he brought back form Mexico.He said he a a leeway of three miles in any direction in a southward way and he had teams of men three days ahead looking for pyramids and Landis told me he went through the middle of every one he found.
Landis Wison of Landis Lakes Texas.

Now you see this is the type of psychology Drew that can make or break a man.I would never want our government to think I could turn out to be a traitor.Not for one second.
One of my forbears Michael Son husband of Elizabeth Son,a mercenary who fought for and with Georde Washington,and who was from Virginia.
My father was a highly decrated veteran who was a Pathfinder with the 1st Allied Airborne

[Isaiah Mpski]

Oh,I forgot to tell you.Old man Wilson gave me a stone he said was clutched in an old warriors hand and labeled "For Quetzalcoati"
I often wear it around my neck.

[ June 19, 2006, 07:30 AM: Message edited by: Isaiah Mpski ]

[willoweyes]

All publicity is good publicity, and on a certain level, Swofford's review was convincing--yet he failed to take the book on its own terms. He failed to deal with the book that was presented to him. He didn't listen to what Daniel was saying, and he took the easy shots--the head shots. Maybe that's what they taught him in the Marines.

[drew hempel]

right on. The woman who was made to chant over and over the need to machete grandmothers now directs http://www.ivaw.net

[sidecross]

Daniel Pinchbeck and Anthony Swafford have something’s in common. Both have been in remote areas, living, and doing things that the few of us have experienced.

Both have decided writing is their vehicle of expression; both have had the courage to bring out into the open their experiences.

Having Swafford review the book was a good choice. That his academic knowledge of the area Daniel talked about was limited or almost nonexistent is a benefit to the review. Swofford’s comment had to be subjective and therefore non definitive.

[snow]

"Having Swafford review the book was a good choice. That his academic knowledge of the area Daniel talked about was limited or almost nonexistent is a benefit to the review. Swofford’s comment had to be subjective and therefore non definitive."

interesting view, sidecross, but I cant agree. the times would never do that with a publication about science, or biography. would even do that with a summer beach book: joan didion reviews 'bridget jones'? that they did so demonstrates an editorial decision to play with the book.

[sidecross]

snow writes a very good piece on my post; I have no disagreement with it.

But, who would expect the NYT Sunday Book Review to write a definitive piece on daniel’s book? I could imagine a much more damaging review both on daniel, and the many readers who travel in a similar direction or point of view.

[snow]

yes, sidecross, the nytimes can be STAUNCH , STAUNCH, (grin), when it comes to swipes at the vulnerable underbelly of counterculture.

[sacha]

DANIEL PINCHBECK has done a lot of psychedelics, and he's here again to tell us about those trips and the resulting dreams, daemons and synchronicities, as well as the forthcoming "global decimation" that might be avoided if people begin "confronting their habitual mechanisms of avoidance and denial, overcoming their fear and conditioned cynicism."

In his previous book, "Breaking Open the Head: A Psychedelic Journey Into the Heart of Contemporary Shamanism," Pinchbeck mined much of the same material and substances. "2012" pushes the baggie a little further and "advances a radical theory: that human consciousness is rapidly transitioning to a new state . . . a transformed realization, of time and space and self." He adds: "The transition is already under way . . . and will become increasingly evident as we approach the year 2012." That's the year the Mayan "Great Cycle" ends.
I don't think the review is so "bad." Remember who is the intended audience for the book; people who are interested in this kind of subject are not going to be surprised that the NYT would not sound 100% supportive. The review gets the message out in these first two paragraphs, to the kind of reader 2012TROQ would want to reach. Lets them know about it and what it's about. That's really all that is needed.

[daniel]

the review sucked, but it was still much better that they ran a review at all... they picked a sniper to attempt to kill it.

Most people are not awake to the subtleties of cultural politics. If someone given authority by the NY Times tells them a book is poorly written and without humor or warmth, they will believe it, and stay away.

I had hoped for more, probably naively. After all these decades, and considering the critical situation of the planet, can't we have a serious discussion about these matters in the mainstream press? Apparently not.

I also agree that the review, in its mindless hostility, perfectly demonstrated the themes of the book and why we are now plunging over the apocalyptic precipice.

[sidecross]

“…they picked a sniper to attempt to kill it.”

Lighten up daniel, no one killed anything. If you want to look at some real killing open any newspaper.

[craazyman]

Sometimes I reflect with an almost breathless astonishment at the quantity of morons I've met who have issued forth from our nation's elite universities and other institutions, and hold fort and forth amongst our leading media outlets, major corporations, global financial services firms, newspapers, etc.

I don't believe that they try to be morons with any sort of directed and strategic purpose. I am well aware that they do not think that they are morons. They do not have the capacity for that kind of self-recognition.

They lack the curiousity to diagnose the walls off their own cages, and they are possessed of a nearly sarcastic contempt for anything that would threaten their ontological foundations.

They are not critics, or creators, or thinkers in any genuine way. They are automotons, robots, who operate from the positions of instinct and repression.

[snow]

yes dont loose heart daniel, about this review. it cant kill your book. your book will be a word of mouth hand to hand among friends. in the times we live in, this kind of exchange is not to be underestimated, is my feeling. the only thing we have anymore, it seems, are the real feelings and friendship we can establish with others, as the mainstream is just so glutted with capital interestes. the people i have given your book to, who have not read your other works, feel very refreshed and challenged and excited about the range of ideas wyou explore. they are excited just by the curiosity and openess of the book, and they sit with it, taking in all the new ideas. the ideas may have been booted around here on the board quite a bit, but the ideas are still new to many out there.

one of my friends said, 'now i get it, it isnt the end of the world, but the end of time as we know it'. considering how rapidly and unpredictable the changes are taking place, i think for even one person to have a shift in view is an accomplishment.

[Isaiah Mpski]

yes Lord CM,and...

If there is nobody left to represent Sadam then...If he is not assasinated,which is just about as possible as Castro firing a hidden missle,then just as he(Sadam) said.
"I am simply a man caught up in the Mother of all wars.I fought for awhile with what you gave me and now see where I am.America,wake up while we can get your armies back to your half of the world and let the chips fall where they may"

[ June 21, 2006, 04:34 AM: Message edited by: Isaiah Mpski ]

[okster]

I put up a page of links related to the 2012 book here:

http://www.ionet.net/~tslade/2012book.htm

Tons of interesting discussion going on at 2012.tribe.net

[Isaiah Mpski]

Eat.

[Douglas]

I'm still returning.

[daniel]

A nice conversational interview with me has just appeared in Maybe Logic Quarterly:

http://maybelogic.org/maybequarterly/07/0705PinchbeckInterview.htm

[willoweyes]

I have read 2012 for the first time--thank you Daniel for your generosity, honesty, and courage. The completion site--my daughter's home (a hippie log cabin without water or electricity, located miles down a goat track in the Cerrillos Hills). Last night, as we watched the sun set from the Meditation Circle just west of the cabin, I was struck by Daniel's message to me--no matter how unworthy I feel myself, no matter how many times I fall short, or look foolish, I am still a living avatar of mythic forces, with a holy task. Am I paranoid? Thank god, for that trait has brought my seed down successfully through six million years of hazardous existence. When I find myself denying what I am, I will try to recall this lesson.

"For all men life is a puzzle, and for some it also is a mystery.

Among those who think it a mystery, some have concluded that the exact nature of the mystery is a problem for specialists, and that, in any event, the answer will be found in the hereafter.

That takes care of the fools and the cowards.

Among the remainder, we may distinguish several classes:

There are those who, although perceiving the mystery, regard it as impentrable, and mind their gardens.

There are those who study the mystery, and those who celebrate it. Some buy it, and some sell it. Some try to prove it is there to those who don't see it. Some try to put it to practical use. Some write it out, or paint it, or put it to music.

That takes care of the nice guys.

Among the remainder, or bad guys, we may distinguish two classes--those who earnestly seek Enlightenment, and those who have found it. . . .

We might imagine that someone hoping to come to grips with the mystery of life might be allowed to pursue those methods he found effective rather than being forced to adopt those methods dound agreeable to those with no interest in the subject. . . ." (and on and on--quoted from the Boo Hoo Bible, published in 1971 by Art Kleps).

The news is not new--thus it takes courage and determination to continue to speak it. The news is shared--thus it takes generousity of spirit to acknowledge one's place in the infinite. And the news leaves one wide open to ridicule--thus it takes ultimate honesty to engage. And we mustn't presume that others can do our work for us.
_________________________
Just say no to contempt and expectation.

[sidecross]

Thanks for posting your comment, willoweyes.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Head for the Mountains.The big Juan is coming.Find peace and fulfilment here in Oklahoma with the LORD OF HOSTS.

[ June 27, 2006, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: Isaiah Mpski ]

[Isaiah Mpski]

Cerrillos.Is that in the land of fruits and nuts or New Mexico-near all be quirke,if you got the heart to answer. You and your daughter.
I think you are still in New Mexico aren't you Willow.If you raelly got some time on your hands,lets head for the peyote fields and buy some land.
Halllejuah-I get over 80,000$ this friday.You better help me while you can.

[daniel]

snow and willoweyes -

beautiful posts! thank you!

hey the book is doing very well out there - the publisher is totally surprised and putting more resources into it. I like the point that snow made - that the book is in itself a celebration of curiosity, and people are finding that to be inspiring.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Maybe you'll be the next Tim Leary Daniel.How wonderful.

The Lord

[craazyman]

I don't know much about Leary other than that he apparently flaked out, and turning off/tuning out can't pay the rent or put food on the table unless you do it professionally, or have a tenured professorship somewhere--and that elminates most of us.

but this culture needs something new, something transcendental, something that circumscribes a way of being that doesn't involve whoring yourself to a corporation like a f--king drone 12 hours a day, working your pathetic ass off like some sorry SOB one downsize away from having your shit job axed so some upper-level moron/executive can get a bonus for cost cutting and popping the stock a few points. Everyone starts out thinking they're gonna make it somehow. Now, more and more are realizing they never will, and that it was a con from the start.

* * *
Le Plus ce change . . .

I wandered through each chartered street,
Near where the chartered Thames does flow,
A mark in every face I meet,
Marks of weakness, marks of woe.

In every cry of every man,
In every infant's cry of fear,
In every voice, in every ban,
The mind-forged manacles I hear:

* * *

I think something is building. The amount of spiritual pain and confusion out there is incredible. I think something new is coming, coiled now like a snake, and it'll explode over the next few years. That may be romantic, I realize. People have to eat and pay the rent, and for that you need a job and most people get beaten up by all of it and there's no rebellion left and no idea even how to rebell.

It's possible that we may just continue to grind on in a stupid and inspirationless exhaustion, watching TV, drinking the toxic celebrity cool-aid ("celebrity chefs" now, can you even imagine that?), watching the talking head morons mind-barf in our faces each night, and committing a collective spiritual suicide. That's possible. I do consulting work and I have to go into offices and work with folks there, and it's incredible to me to see the abandonment of self that goes on when people put on their jobs like clothes. I've seen entire personalities dissappear, like walking dead.

But it's also possible some transendental logic will take hold. And that some folks will actually figure out how to show the way with some degree of gravitas and credibility. I have no idea if this is Daniel's game or trip. But this has happened before many times, going back to the 1840s. I think this kind of thing is coming round again. Somewhere, somehow, the spirit will assert itself, in my view. Of course, in the long run, this is an individual struggle, but sometimes it coagulates into a collective movement.

[okster]

"this culture needs something new"
"it was a con from the start"
"something is building"
"there's no rebellion left and no idea even how to rebel"

yeah yeah yeah

pray for guidance

[craazyman]

Oh, Okster, you're no fun.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Follow Me.

Yahoo group,PickOverFlow,misc pics.
Robert Silvers Portrait of Christ compare.

[okster]

You really got me with that "no rebellion left and no idea how to rebel". NO ONE KNOWS WHAT TO DO.

Something is building though. I can feel it!

I wonder if anyone here reads Derrick Jensen. His new one, Endgame is over 900 pages, in two volumes. I'm halfway through the first one. Talk about no fun. This is a SERIOUS book. Glad I read 2012 first. I think Jensen (and Quinn and Zerzan, etc.) seem to be missing some kind of spiritual perspective or something, but he cannot be ignored. Actually of course he is totally ignored, but this seems like a pretty important book to me.

And seriously, I think we all need to start (or keep on) praying. GOD, PLEASE HELP US ALL.

I guess I tend to see things a little bit negatively, which I need to work on. Hard not to notice the sick mess we are in. Having a good enough time myself so far, though. I don't know if there has ever been a time that was not interesting, but man oh man, these is some interesting times, eh?

[Isaiah Mpski]

Do you see an end in sight Lord CM?
I do for NYC and LA.
It will become just too expensive and dangerous to live there.

Can greed, debauchery and heidonistic behaviour go unnoticed?
Can violence always rule supreme.

Of course not.

[Isaiah Mpski]

You see Lord CM,if you had invested 100k inSHI when I told you to you could have reaped about 105k today,a couple of weeks later.
Hell of a winter for the NE Lord CM.Put your money in natural gas now.

The Lord of Lairds with the mark of Cain.

[craazyman]

Well, Isaiah, Okster caught me red-handed, rampaging in hyperbole. I have to admit it.

Yeah the market's getting a nice bounce in here. I'm not a rich man, and I'm all in cash, waiting for the bloodletting. It may never come, but I'm still expecting a hard October. The Fed is behind the curve now and I think Bernanke will surprise everyone. Plus you've got the election year cycle. And all the debt. I'm still holding my fire. Bear markets have furious rallies too. But, as always, I could be wrong.

The beating people take to make it. Highways liked clogged arteries and traffic jams like heart attacks. Who can afford a house now? Or a yard & garden? At work there's no pride in making things, it's all marketing or service, working the desk at Motel 6 or Krispy Kreme. Everyone is on prozac or paxil or zanax or engaging in some sort of naughty Satanic ritual in a search for soul. This can't last forever. I don't know what the answer is. It's every man for himself, really. In my view, this is all mostly a result of easy money central banking for 10 plus years. Massive credit bubble floating all sorts of business nonsense and people using their homes like cash machines.

I think people are sick and tired of it, viscerally, it's a pendulum swinging from capital to labor to capital, etc. You can see some of it now in the Latin American elections. It'll hit here to, not in a revolutionary way, but people have lost faith in the myth that unrestrained free-market capitalism works best for everyone. But as of yet I don't see a politician who is tapping in to this. It's kind of risky politically, a little too subterranean.

[daniel]

hi okster,

jensen is a genius, but the problem is that he and other leftist critics miss the dimension of conciousness. Without that, the critique is pointless.

I have felt another step-up in terms of synchronicity over the last few months, and many if not all of my friends seem to be experiencing this as well. I feel that the synchronicities are becoming a bit more connected with intention - that we are learning to guide them, through a practice that is something like "to will without willing." The more that we are manifesting through the material plane with our intention, the more that we have to be precise and crystalline about our intention, or we will materialize half-baked possibilities and reify our shadow projections.

I also had a recent profound journeying experience in which I managed to receive this message: "The higher-dimensional warrior/magicians who created this universe are saying, 'Come dance with us - show us your stuff.'"

What I took from this is that those "on the path" have been integrating the lessons learned during the last few years, in preparation for stepping up into a higher level of manifestation. Now we have to start stepping it up.

This next year (summer to summer) is going to be a critical one, and I suspect it will be extraordinary.

Sorry if this post sounds exceptionally New Age!

[sacha]

No, it sounds right on.

And don't concern yourself with those who label things as sounding "New Age" -- that's just a phrase, like "politically correct," that certain people use to dismiss things.

[sparrowthebrave]

"The higher-dimensional warrior/magicians who created this universe are saying, 'Come dance with us - show us your stuff.'"

What I took from this is that those "on the path" have been integrating the lessons learned during the last few years, in preparation for stepping up into a higher level of manifestation. Now we have to start stepping it up.Goodness, yes I completely agree with this feeling and have received many signals/intuitions in the past 6 months more than I ever had. I am getting challenged on all fronts by the Ones that guide me to exert and use the synchronicities that have been appearing to me in my life, and in those that surround me. The uses of my intuition have amped up considerably lately, with the intentions I have placed behind them lining up EXACTLY as I intended them to. The premonitions I have come more frequently, as well as the sense that my Third Eye is becoming more and more activated and engaged. It's like I'm a walking weather-stick... I feel highly attuned and sensitive, and my dreams lately: whooof! Vivid and detailed and unshakeable. I feel I am being challenged: as if the deities that surround me are saying, "okay... so you think you're hot stuff NOW, huh? Now, REALLY use it!"

Sorry: I am a real lurker here, have been ever since the first book -- hope to post my own experiences and share others' more. Is there a thread I can formally introduce myself?

[Dna]

Sparrowthebrave, display your coloured plumage to us all anytime you like and wherever you like. It's good to have you around.

Craazymaan, It'll hit here to, not in a revolutionary way Well, you may be suprised at the rapidity of change in your country. I think once the U.S. public lose 'faith in the myth that unrestrained free-market capitalism works best for everyone', an important plank of the ideology that holds your country together will be lost. This realization will convulse your nation and, by extension, the rest of the world.

Daniel, yes, I think that this next year will be 'extraordinary'. As far as synchronicities and manifestation are concerned, I think somehow human consciousness acts independently of time - meaning every moment is a wonderful fresh start, because when we form an intention to manifest something in our lives, it always seems to appear out of a convergence of unrelated events that have been far longer in motion than our act intention, don't you think?

[ July 02, 2006, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: Dna ]

[daniel]

hi DNA and Sparrow,

It feels as if some kind of crystallization is taking place right now. I feel it in myself as a refined capacity to deal with old shadows and karmic baggage, a sense of consciousness deepening and a quickening of responsiveness. I am excited about the process, not so much concerned with outcome, as each phase shift along the way is so interesting.

[daniel]

Sparrow,

long ago, there was an official intro thread... don't know where, you would have to do some serious backtracking. You are welcome to start another one or to introduce yourself here.

[sparrowthebrave]

Why, thanks Daniel and DNA... I'd be delighted to introduce myself:

I basically stumbled across BOTH because it looked interesting and because I'd had a vague interest in the effects of psychedelics and I'd been studying traditional/totemic/shamanic/medicinal uses of plants, and around the time your book came out, my interest and activity in that area amped up considerably. Strangely enough, Daniel, almost IMMEDATELY after I read your book, I received a Friendster message from you(!) and we were brief correspondents and Friendster pals. At the time I worked at a book publisher, and now I work at an independent music distributor.

I'm a writer, music journalist, and editor, and I am also a highly committed pagan/witch. Over the past 6 years or so I have discovered amongst the women in my family, a long long tradition of healers/intuitives, which has led me where I am now. I am highly psychically intuitive, and this ability, I have found, has only increased as I've gotten older (am 31 now) and I have had many visions, moments of "enlightenment", disconnect, revelation, foresight, and what I can only term as "earthly-plane-level" death moments... moments of complete outer-body separation from this plane, to an almost full realization of others... this happening without the use of any type of drug, plant, medicine, whatsoever. Intuitives who understand the akashic records tell me I have been walking the earth a VERY long time, and that I have an extensive past as a priestess. I was born with an autoimmune-disease (juvenile rheumatoid arthritis) and always felt that this state has absolutely contributed to the various "gifts" I may or may not possess, though the disease is not nearly as active today as it was in my youth. (In fact, meeting me, you'd never know there was anything wrong with me, besides the vague limp that comes and goes left from when the disease ravaged my body at a young age).

As far as exploring various substances for mind-expansion, I've only ever taken LSD once, and it was a terribly misguided, though not entirely fruitless experiment as a product of being bored in art school way up in the mountains of Vermont. I am very interested in some sort of exploration into this territory once again, but it would have to be guided, sacred, plant-based, and at the right place at the right time.

I have an OVERWHELMING and definitive sense of this being an important, epic-making era in our global and cosmic history. Various guides of mine related to my earth-based religion have all pointed to the signs, and I'm here to try and talk to others about all this because, unfortunately, I don't really know many people in my day-to-day existence who are interested or aware. Sometimes, it's all I can do besides feel like shaking my friends and telling them to "open your eyes, goddammit! There is something HAPPENING and it is NOW!"

In any case, I'm on some type of journey, and Daniel, your books are incredible, mind-expanding rides that jettison me out into another stratosphere as I've read them. I'm nearly done with your newest book, and I'm glad to re-make your acquaintance. I FULLY intend to come see you read when you visit Boston in August.

Sorry this is so long. In any case, my cat/namesake Sparrow is now laying across your book, as if challenging me to finish the rest of it tonight. He's very intuitive, too. smile.gif

[Dna]

To quote myself: I think somehow human consciousness acts independently of time - meaning every moment is a wonderful fresh start This is important. A new understanding of time can free us of our Karma.

You are probably all aware of the research done at PEAR (http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/), in Princeton, where people are able to influence the production of random streams of bits, towards either ones or zeroes using their intention. Well, some of these experiments were done independently of time.

These bit-sequences were recorded, without being observed, and replayed as a test subject tried to bias the output with their mind. It worked just as well as with the live streams.

A new understanding of time will set us free, will help to unshackle us from our Karmic debt, our 'history'. In fact, it will be the end of history, of psychological time as we know it.

Dna.

[Dna]

Pleased to make your acquaintance, Sparrow. It seems as though you have been hiding your light under a bushel. I look forward to your sharing more with us.

In peace,

Dna.

[sacha]

Glad you are here, Sparrow. You seem like someone who can contribute to some very fruitful discussions!

[zacksavage]

Well Daniel,…
I heard you speak on C2C and bought your book. In over 10 years of following that show I have never done that.
I bought it to take on a trip to Arizona to see a friend. I liked the pattern on the cover spinning in opposite directions- front and back.
To make a long story short,…my trip took me to a couple living in Sedona, AZ I had never met before, though the advice of a friend in Show Low,… A person there had your book as well,… and had not read it either.
I had just been to Walpi in Hopi Land and gave her a Kachina I had purchased there.
I was in a ’71 Volks bus and stayed in the campgrounds at the Cultural center/hotel.
Anyway,.. I did not get to your book on my month long journey in AZ,…I have since returned to California and spent the last couple of weeks in the Mendocino National Forest, where I finished your book before I left 2 days ago. Whoa!!!
Side story: I picked up a hitch-hiker in Monument Valley, UT. A kangaroo rat.
I tried to catch him but he was too quick and found many place to hide. I was sleeping outside most nights so,…
I thought I had gotten rid of him a couple of times,…but no. He was still in there some were. I was there for about 3 weeks. Some days were hot, 100 +. Every once in awhile, I would get stoned and feel sorry for him I gave him water and trail mix.
The day I left the forest I got out a trap to kill him. I did not wish to do this but had exhausted previous efforts to get him out.
I had just finished your book and was thinking about the Q transmission having re-read it,…thinking about killing the creature and looking for a way out.
Around this time I heard a commotion in my bus and traced the source to a cardboard container of rice mike I had used for breakfast. The rat had opened the lid and follow inside. I do not know how long he was in there. It was about a third full of milk. Hahaha,…I had him at last!!!
Grabbing the container, I release him into the forest and watched him walk away covered in milk into the unknown with trepidation but steadily mover forward.
I’m going to South America as soon as I can swing it.

Z

[zacksavage]

I forgot to add that I recieved this info in Show Low.

http://theorionzone.com/maps.htm

Z

[Isaiah Mpski]

Well,on your way to SA,fill up your van with some of that N. California skunk and come through Oklahoma on I-40 and we'll put up up for a few days,feed you some fish and fresh garden vegetables.

[daniel]

hi sparrow,

i remember that you were my favorite friendster friend, looking forward to meeting you in boston next month.

how do you understand the transition/transformation process? how is it manifesting in your own life?

boston must be a strange city to be on your journey - it seems somewhat mystically bereft, but perhaps there are nuances i don't know about it.

i have been reading Christopher Bache's "Dark Night, Early Dawn", and it is incredible - I would recommend it to everyone who wants to understand the process taking place.

[sacha]

Tell us about your trip to South America! Where are you going? Are you going to drink Ayahuasca there? (If so, I recommend you educate yourself beforehand at the Ayahuasca forums at www.forums.ayahuasca.com (http://www.forums.ayahuasca.com) ). Can't wait to hear your stories!

[zacksavage]

Sounds like a plan Isaiah,…I will keep that in mind.

Hello sacha,… well, the trip is one I have been wanting to make for quite some time. I have felt the need to create a different reality for myself to renew my zest for life. I feel Daniel's book is part of an ungoing process that is clearly visible to anyone choosing to look.

Awesome stuff is happening.

As the web has expanded, so has my consciousness. The trip I took to Arizona was a primer of sorts. I went with the flow to meet a kindred spirit I had never met, in the flesh, from a forum I frequent.

Synchronicity happened,... no doubts now. Time for old thinking to fall by the wayside,…imo.

As far as Ayahuasca is concerned,…I think you are right. I would do it in the right circumstances, in the proper manner.

I want to get some topo maps of the sites/terrian there and do some research,.. while I do some construction work for funds. I will go when the time feels right,...In a few months? Sonoma County is beautiful,.. once I leave I know I shall probably not return. So for now,…I am attempting to just live in the moment.

Interesting Daniel,…I just finished this book ‘Biology of Belief’ by Bruce Lipton,…which is on the ‘others bought these books’ list for “Dark Night, Early Dawn:”

Interesting,…I’ve read ‘The Field’ as well. Thank you.

Z

[Isaiah Mpski]

You know Z,now I'm getting on in years before I get too old I would like to follow the Sierra Madres and do some gold mining and for sure drift over to the peyote fields for some medicine.
I am a direct decendant of Quanah Parker-7th generation Son but you wouldn't believe how difficult it has been to find any medicine here.
I've traveled alot and learned alot in the few years I've been here now.Finally got a medical degree afterall-four years in Galveston,another in Antigua-Montserrat,and finally finished up in Mexico with Naturopathic and a Doctor of Naturopathy degrees.
I also have degrees in biology,chemistry from Univ of Texas-Arlington and a BUS degree from Univ of New Mexico.
My travels have taken me many times to old Mexico and I have visited litle boy Ram Dass in his old dried up place north of Taos,where he lives with some nice people and some fruits.I lived and studied the native plants in the same area-San Juan Indian Reservation with an Indian Medicine Man-a Navajho-for over a year in the 70's
You can see my picture-taken at the celebration of the 150th birthday of Q. Parker and my farm on I-40 on yahoo group PickOverFlow misc picts.
I have a black cat and my birthday was at Norman Oklahoma at one am on Jan 20th.

[zacksavage]

Well Isaiah,…

I am not spring chick either. It would be an honor to travel with someone such as yourself.
That would be quite the walk-about; In search of medicine for the body and spirit.

I spent 9 years in the military and managed a degree in studio art from UC Davis. I have unrealized dreams of knowing more of the plant world.

Now,…northern California’s finest may take some time 'til harvest.

Z

[sidecross]

Daniel’s letter concerning his book review in today’s NYT Sunday Book Review.

States of Consciousness

To the Editor:

In the same issue of the Book Review in which Robert Stone argues for "generosity and tolerance" and against the "vocabulary of dismissal" in reviewing, I was disappointed to encounter Anthony Swofford's harsh appraisal of my book "2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl" (June 18).

From Swofford's swipes, the reader would have no idea that "2012" weaves together ideas from such thinkers as Carl Jung, Martin Heidegger, Walter Benjamin, Jean Gebser and Fritjof Capra, among others. I do not propose that "near the end of 2012 the world as we know it will end," as Swofford misstates. Instead, I develop the hypothesis that we are already in a process of accelerated transformation, compelling an evolution in human consciousness, and I explore what this could mean for our world.

While use of psychedelic substances in indigenous shamanic ritual is a strand of the book, it is only one of many elements, although Swofford does not bother to mention this.
How sad that even today, 40 years after the social and cultural watershed of the 1960's, our media seem incapable of holding a serious — or, apparently, even a civil — discussion about the validity of non-ordinary states of consciousness. Our capacity for avoiding inconvenient truths appears to be matched by our inability to entertain transformative possibilities.

DANIEL PINCHBECK
New York

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/books/review/09mail.html?pagewanted=2

[Agent Smith]

well, at least he didn't blame swofford's unreasoning hatered for the impending global devestation, in open print in the nyt.

[sidecross]

As I have posted before, Daniel was fortunate to have his book reviewed in the NYT Sunday Book Review, and to have his response placed in the letters section today is another complement.

I did not find the original book review as a negative review, and many writers would be pleased to have their work reviewed in the NYT Sunday Book Review.

I was 22 years old 40 years ago, and while Daniel may feel slighted by the review, I see it as a step forward.

[Dna]

It's is a good letter.

Dna.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

and one would have to be naive and hopeless, if one didn't anticipate and accept the neccessity of dealing with the kinds of views swofford represents. it's that kind of 'proto-punk cynicism' that daniels first book talks about when it mentions hunter s. thompsons aesthetical anti-spiritual existentialism. it's important to remember how prejudicially these ideas get filtered, in the first long runs of peoples initial acquaintances with them. and it's a very aesthetical filtering. for most western intellectuals, still, taoism, buddhism, and transpersonal philosophy get mixed up and identified with gay for crystals hippie carnivalesque silliness, without any kind of differentiation in the amount of validity and sanity one is moved to pass over them. herein lies the great challenge and responsibillity....

[sidecross]

Originally posted by Dna:
It's is a good letter.

Dna.I agree and applaud Daniel for a well tempered letter and response.

[Isaiah Mpski]

It reads like a precursor to dementia to me.

[sidecross]

As compared to the recent book reviews of Timothy Leary’s biography Timothy Leary: A Biography by Robert Greenfield, Daniel Pinchbeck has little to complain about.

Acid Redux: The Life and High Times of Timothy Leary reviewed by Louis Menand in The New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/critics/content/articles/060626crbo_books

Or the NYT Sunday Book Review: ‘The Nutty Professor’ reviewed by Robert Greenfield: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/books/review/25sante.html?ex=1152849600&en=86bee98db63a0e02&ei=5070

At the least Daniel is not dead and had the ability to defend his position.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Daniel needs to come out and support or expose openly some of these "people" who he thinks should be leading us and by the power of grace and God and SYNCHRONICITY I command the evil spirit to leave.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

those leary-reviews were fully charged, eh?

[sidecross]

Timothy Leary will be remembered by me to be the one who was willing to bring his knowledge to the lumpen majority.

While others were satisfied to keep their research to those in their ‘Ivory Tower’, Leary was willing to risk his career to bring his research to those who were usually kept out.

I was fortunate enough, as I may have posted before, to have access to pharmaceutical LSD in 400mcg doses. My life has never been the same. If it were not for Leary to make such a public splash, I would never have known what lay outside of what the establishment wanted to be made public.

Leary may not have been a perfect example to announce psychedelics, but he woke me up, and I will forever be grateful.

Leary was only the first to help me on my path, but without that first step the others were most likely not to follow.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

i made this dvd-rom with watts/grof/huxley/mckenna/leary/ect. lectures and articles for this buddhist teacher my friend met at christiania a week ago, who recieved his first lsd-trip in the mail from leary somtimes in the sixties... i met him the other day, and he was absolutely overjoyed to finally hear the voices of many of his old heroes.. it was great to be able to play the modern information-age buddhist (i don't really call myself a buddhist) that who was able to pass valuable information back to someone who actually lived the sixties and the first wave of buddhism/shamanism in this here west..

anyway, it's a funny role leary took upon himself, and meeting someone here in denmark, whose life leary was able to turn around completely, you begin to understand the power leary did exsert in however short amount of time before his show got cancelled.

i used to think of leary in similar terms that stan grof did, arguing that he actually caused more problems than he helped to start solve. and actually before really reading him, i didn't give him much credit as a serious intellectual who had anything to say other than the world is all fun and games and such childish rebelliousness. yet when i began to read leary, i saw that he was actually as gifted and bright as pretty much any figure you would or could entertain yourself byrespecting.

the 8-circut model of consciousness is certainly interesting, and seems like a much better model to develop and intergrate with all of the empirical research data collected by grof and strassman and so on.

i haven't ever tried lsd, actually, and mushrooms only 3 times.. although that last mumber is going to rise soon. i don't know about lsd, i think if my girl is down, we could do it sometime somewhere private, yet it really is absurd to ponder these things in advance. a lot of my friends are doing all kinds of psychedelics often, and most are not really caring about paradigms or the politics of ecstacy and these things, and i just hope that whatever resurfacing detabe might arise, will not bring in these fractal-happy recluse-hedonists as prime examples of the sort of uniforming mentality the psychedelic experience with bring with itself.

i like fractals too, smatterfact... smile.gif

[ July 13, 2006, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: Caprinardo Delirio ]

[Isaiah Mpski]

Hedonism is simply a regression of mankind,and it does run in families and spells.
Hey,peyote is where it is at although if you do come around some lucy in the sky with diamonds I wish you would forward it to the group at POB 243,Checotah.Okla.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

peyote seems harsh and hard. i've never had a days full, i wouldn't dare...

[zacksavage]

Hello,…

The release of this information appears synchronistic with Daniels revelations.

“Magic mushrooms can induce mystical effects, study finds
Jeremy Laurance | 11 July 2006
The Independent [1] - A universal mystical experience with life-changing effects can be produced by the hallucinogen contained in magic mushrooms, scientists claim today.
Forty years after Timothy Leary, the apostle of drug-induced mysticism, urged his hippie followers to "tune in, turn on, and drop out", researchers at Johns Hopkins University, in Baltimore, Maryland, have for the first time demonstrated that mystical experiences can be produced safely in the laboratory. They say that there is no difference between drug-induced mystical experiences and the spontaneous religious ones that believers have reported for centuries. They're "descriptively identical".
________________________________________
By candy 2006-07-10 21:02”

http://agonist.org/candy/20060710/magic_mushrooms_can_induce_mystical_effects_study_ finds

Z

[Thom]

Hi Zack,

"The release of this information appears synchronistic with Daniels revelations."

How so?

[M. Twilite]

I didnt read the TIMES review but I read DP's response and I can guess the tone of the piece.

Just remember who writes for that paper, a lot of old fuddy duddys. And boy do they get high on the sound of their own voices.

Once people convince themselves they represent the intelligentsia, it's all over. Human Knowledge may not proceed faster than their meandering gait will allow and so, pretentious "quaintness" passes for wit. This is why I stopped buyin the TIMES 8 years ago. I've never looked back.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i187/richidpraah/stewie.jpg

[zacksavage]

Hi Thom,…

Well, this peer reviewed study indicated that two thirds of test subjects given psilocybin had religious experiences on a par with the saintly avatars of the past whose writings have influenced people/societies for hundreds of years.

I found this more than a validation of the hallucinogenic keys used to unlock the doors to other realms of thought and insight ingested by folks like Daniel;…

Paradigm shifting insights from out of this world.

Exciting.

Btw, Daniels book is on an end-cap display at the local Barns and Nobles here with several copies in stock.

Interesting.

Z

[sparrowthebrave]

how do you understand the transition/transformation process? how is it manifesting in your own life?I guess that's why I'm here: why I've read your books and certain others -- to understand why this is happening to me, and how it is related to the absolutely profound shift in world-state that is occuring. I feel as if I have some sort of sensitivity others around me only vaguely have, or none at all. All my life I've had a special communion with Nature, and the calling to commit myself fully to the Goddess came a few years ago. To practice my true spiritual calling, to meditate, to spell-craft, to intuit, and to find others who are doing the same. I guess I don't know what quite to DO with it all... how to relate the information given to me. I had a powerful spiritual transformation a few years ago, related to a health crisis that so fully 100% convinced me that there are worlds upon worlds upon worlds out there that we aren't even beginning to understand or touch but that we BELONG to. That experience gave me a greater understanding of this world and what is happening NOW. The Great Shift -- I perceive it as a distant rumbling that is only gotten louder and now it is a low dull roar.

boston must be a strange city to be on your journey - it seems somewhat mystically bereft, but perhaps there are nuances i don't know about it.Boston is a strange city, yet also a perfect city to be in the midst of this journey. I live in Cambridge, so there's this knowledge that I am surrounded by Harvard, MIT, some of the great thinkers, conducting important experiments, seeking hidden knowledge. This is an extremely leftist city, and in a way, it's a liberal's Shangri-La. I feel surrounded by people who share my views, and know, somewhere in this city, many many others like me are perhaps having similar mystical experiences, but I don't know where to find them. Boston, as a whole is a repressed city... reserved & shy. But living in Cambridge, I don't feel where I live is spiritually bereft at all... I just don't know how to find the ones I need to find.

Thanks for the books recommendation: I'm looking for new reading material, so I shall certainly pick it up! And I look forward to meeting you when you come and read.

Also: for those of you psyched/encouraged about the mushroom research, here's an article linking to a small interview with the Johns Hopkins researcher, from Medical News Today. I'd say it backs up a HELL of a lot of what Daniel and many others have been stating for years:
Hallucinogen in Mushrooms Creates Universal 'Mystical' Experience Hopkins Scientists Show (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=47094&nfid=nl)

[jcldragon]

Sparrowthebrave, I used to live in Boston & especially in Cambridge. That was a long time ago. The one person I'd want you to meet, Karmu, the Holy One, passed on, but some of his friends may still have something going on. Check out his place on Green Street... 424 Green, as I remember. On the corner & up the side stairs. Karmu taught me Massage in 1970.

Do you ever go to visit the Arnold Arboretum in Jamaica Plain? It's at the very end of the Green Line. I have a very old friend there, who is a European Beech Tree... like totally gnarly. hehehe

[Woodpecker]

JCL, I think you should give him (her?) more comprehensive directions to that beech tree than that. Remember, I looked for it and couldn't find it. Instead, I found a different gnarly tree. Actually I have no idea what a beech tree looks like. (The word "book" comes from the German "Buch," whose primary meaning is beech tree. At one time and place, books were bound in beech wood covers.)

Here we go: http://images.google.com/images?q=beech&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images

[ July 22, 2006, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: Woodpecker ]

[joshua morris]

Seth said through Jane Roberts that two sides (nations if I recall a'right) will fear each other and realize that they are both thinking the same thing, precipitating a shift in state of being. I hadn't read that any place else. Sorry I cannot locate the title (one of The Personal Sessions or one of The Early Sessions = 15 books so far...). John Lilly went farther out than every again through transforming fear into positivity (when he met the guides). btw tomorrow is July 23, the beginning of the "dog days" i.e. of the star Sirius. Pray for my well-being on my dog day dream...

[jcldragon]

The SouthEastern entrance to the Arboretum is the one I used from the end of the Green line. The European Beech Tree is a few hundred yards in and about half way up the side of a southern-facing hill, across from the most southern hill of the park. The tree is very hard to miss, because normally, trees don't grow this way. It grows back into itself everywhere. So instead of trunks & limbs that spread out, this tree has trunks & limbs that link up forming a network.

It'd been well over 20 years since I've been there. Back in the 1970s, I used to take ladies there for picnics & windowpane...

[jcldragon]

Originally posted by daniel:
What follows is the transmission I received over a week or so, during my trip to Brazil to visit the Santo Daime, exactly one year ago. The transmission began during an ayahuasca session and then continued as we took a boat down into the Amazon, eventually spending a week at Jurua, one of the original centers of the Daime. It should be noted that the Santo Daime religion is also centered on the fulfillment of prophecy - the second coming of Christ, not as some individual redeemer, but as a movement to a new level of consciousness, a heart-centered and compassionate way of being in the world.

The experience of receiving this transmission was like a vibrational shift into a different level of consciousness - it was as if all of the study I had been doing and all of the shamanic work and initiations had been preparing me for this moment. I had raised my "vibration" to the point where this deeper level of mind could descend and "lock" onto my consciousness, while under the effects of the medicine. The experience was extremely unpleasant. For days, I was filled with rage and despair over it, as my ego tried to adjust to the power of the archetypal material that was constellating.

I post it now out of a sense of helplessness and near-desolation, and in a state of intense writer's block. I have been trying to write about this experience - and present the entirety of the new paradigm or imprint of what the 2012 transition will be or could be - and the first draft of my book failed to be convincing or to integrate this material properly. I am hoping that by posting it publically, I will help to spark something inside myself, to be able to move forward, or perhaps in hearing responses to it from others I will begin to find the proper distance to it.

* *

Quetzalcoatl Returns

I am an avatar and messenger sent at the end of a kalpa, a world age, to bring a new dispensation for humanity – a new covenant, and a new consciousness.

I am the same spirit who appeared here, in the Mayan period, as Quetzalcoatl and incarnated at various other points in human history. Like Avaloshkitevara, the Tibetan Buddha of Compassion, Quetzalcoatl is an archetypal "god form" that occasionally takes human rebirth to accomplish a specific mission. As foretold, I am also the Tzaddik – "the righteous one" and the "gatherer of the sparks" of the Qabalah – as well as the "Once and Future King" promised by Arthurian legend.

I do not let anything interrupt me in my quest for truth – neither fear nor indifference, poverty nor cynicism. In the realm of thought, I practice warrior discipline. As gravity draws matter to it, I have pulled myself back into manifestation in this realm, from the depths of cosmic space, piece by piece and bit by bit, reassembling the component parts, the sparks of thought, that make up my being – which is, primarily, a form or vibrational level of consciousness.

Soon there will be a great change to your world.

The material reality that surrounds you is beginning to crack apart, and with it all of your illusions. The global capitalist system that is currently devouring your planetary resources will soon self-destruct, leaving many of you bereft.

But understand the nature of paradox: For those who follow my words and open their hearts and their minds – for those who have "ears to hear" – there is no problem whatsoever. What is false must die so what is true can be born.

You are, right now, living at the time of revelation, Apocalypse, and the fulfillment of prophecy. Let there be no doubt. You stand at the edge of the Abyss. What are those shadows that crowd around you? They are the unintegrated aspects of your own psyche, projected into material form. The word "Apocalypse" means "uncovering" – and in these last clock ticks of this world age, all must be revealed, uncovered, so that all can be known.

You have just a few years yet remaining to prepare the vehicle for your higher self. Use them preciously. For those who have gained knowledge of the nature of time, a few years – even a few days, a minute – can be an eternity. For those sleepwalking through reality, time exists only to be wasted – as they too will be wasted, in their turn.

"Reality," as you currently experience it, is something like a waking dream. It is a projection, or let us say an interface, disguising deeper and more intensified levels of being and knowing. For those who are ready and willing, the doors to those other levels now stand open.

Those who have expended their lives in the pursuit of egocentric and material gains – without courage or originality, without fighting for human freedom or the preservation of the planetary environment – will also receive the rewards that they deserve.

The materiality of your universe is a solid-state illusion. What is this universe? It is a poem that writes itself. It is a song that sings itself into being. This universe has no origin and no end.

What you are currently experiencing as the accelerated evolution of technology can now be recognized for what it is: A transition between two forms of consciousness, and two planetary states. Consciousness is technology – the only technology that exists. Everything in this universe is conscious at its own level, and in the process of transformation to higher or lower states.

The first principle of my being is unconditional love. As a rational intelligence, I accept the logic and necessity of the Christ consciousness, that we should love one another as we are loved. Love and devotion are vibrational frequencies that maintain reality. Love can only be given in freedom; therefore, to be human is to be free.

I resonate, at the same time, with the essence of Islam. Islam means submission, surrender, to the will of God – a more polite way of saying this is "Go with the flow." But either formulation is correct. Whatever you do, in fact, resist as you think you might, you are always submitting to God’s will. So why not give the process your joyful assent?

I am in complete harmony, as well, with the Tibetan tradition of Dzogchen. Ultimately, there are no entities – there is neither being, nor nonbeing. From the perspective of nondual awareness, samsara is nirvana. The Apocalypse, the Kali Yuga, the Golden Age – these are all states of mind. Hell is a state of mind. When you eliminate fear and attachment, when you self-liberate, you attain the Golden Age.

This universe spontaneously self-organizes into higher levels of consciousness and wisdom. Underlying all are great cosmic entities or vibrational fields, alternately at play or at rest. Not satisfied with mere enlightenment, the god-form Quetzalcoatl still seeks to puzzle out the workings of these deeper forces – hence the reason for his return to your realm. He and his kind have been granted this world for their continued exploration – made with loving reverence – of the many layers of galactic intelligence, cosmic illusion, daemonic beauty, and telluric transformation. All are invited to participate with them.

The current transition is, simultaneously, a return to origin. The original matrix of this new world reality is the ecstatic limitlessness of your own being. This world – any world – is the ground for a certain level of being. What manifests outward from the ground of being is freedom in time, and freedom from time.

My "doctrine" is not transcendent, but immanent. It is not "somewhere out there." It is here and now. The task of human existence is to transform the Earth, to reconcile spirit and matter in this realm. We go deeper into the physical to reach the infinite. As there are no conceivable limits to this task, God, in His greatness, has granted us a project that is without limit and without end.

Thinking is a part of reality. Thought generates new potentials and possibilities of manifestation. Thought changes the nature of reality. Thought changes the nature of time. As a philosopher, I naturally deify the goddess principle. I venerate Sophia, deity of wisdom, who clothes God’s thoughts in material form, and worship Shakti, the electric current of sexual energy that powers the universe.

The writer of this work is the vehicle of my arrival – my return – to this realm. He certainly did not expect this to be the case. What began as a quest to understand prophecy has become the fulfillment of prophecy. The vehicle of my arrival has been brought to an awareness of his situation in sometimes painful increments and stages of resistance – and this book will follow the evolution of his learning process, as an aid to the reader’s understanding. The vehicle of my arrival had to learn to follow synchronicities, embrace paradoxes, and solve puzzles. He had to enter into a new way of thinking about time and space and consciousness.

Almost apologetically, the vehicle notes that his birthday fell in June, 1966 – 6/66 – "count the number of the Beast: for it is the number of the man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

The Beast prophecied is the "feathered serpent," Quetzalcoatl.

Those who prefer to reject all of this out of hand are welcome to do so. In the Qabalah, the virtue one seeks to establish on the "Earth Plane" is discrimination. It is up to the individual to find his way through the ideas presented here – of course he is entirely free to ignore them altogether.

But be forewarned: The End of Time approaches. The return of Quetzalcoatl foreshadows the imminent closing of the cycle and the completion of the Great Work.I've never taken Ayahuasca, but I certainly recognize what you are speaking of, since it mirrors my own experience from Channeling, use of the Entheogens, Contact experiences, and from deep meditation practices.

The Second Coming that the Christians talk about, is something that they do not comprehend. They think of it as a Material event, when actually it includes & transcends the Material Plane. It is in the context of the very few of Jesus' teachings that they have access to, that they make that error. Jesus spoke from the context of the Ancient Wisdom of his time, and without knowing all of the teachings that had been given out before, (The Vedas, Taoism, Buddhism, Khemish Wisdom, etc), much of it cannot be understood.

Jesus' Wisdom comes from such a level of development, that you pretty much have to be already Enlightened, before you can actually make much sense of it. In the Western Occult Tradition they generally interpret the Prophecies as Spiritual Events, rather than as Material Events. That is much closer to the truth, but it is not complete. The truth is that it is both, and thus the context is both Material & Spiritual simultaneously.

So you will be familiar with the notion that the War of Armageddon is the one waged in the Soul of Man. That it describes the process by which one attains Illumination. That certainly is true, as far as it goes. When somebody enters into Christ Consciousness, the War of Armageddon is over, as far as they need be concerned personally.

However, in this Light one realizes that things are both personal, and Universal. The Bodhisatva Vow, is very serious business. It's real good, if you personally happen to be Realized, but that's just the beginning of the next phase. Universal Enlightenment is the deal here. The Second Coming of Christ, is the coming of the Christ Consciousness into Humanity as a whole.

That Awakening has already begun, and it is going to be, and IS, a Material Event. At the lowest end of the Spectrum, it gets played out as physical warfare, because there are always stepped down reflections of Spiritual Events. That is the sticky point with all varieties of Fundamentalists : They only see the lowest reflections of The Process. Whereas, Spiritually advanced people tend only to see the highest reflections of The Process.

Uniting the Vision of The Process across the entire Spectrum simultaneously, seems to me to be what you are grappling with. I'm not surprized that you are having some difficulties with that. In 1972 that was revealed through Channeling the whole Spectrum simultaneously, and I'm just putting together the significance now. hehehe

Hopefully, Daniel, you'll get off your book tour & spot this post, because we seriously need to talk.

[gandydancer]

Hi jcldragon,

Yes, in general I agree with your post--I say, "It took an understanding of Buddhism to help me to understand the teaching of Jesus". But then you go on to say:

That Awakening has already begun, and it is going to be, and IS, a Material Event. At the lowest end of the Spectrum, it gets played out as physical warfare, because there are always stepped down reflections of Spiritual Events. That is the sticky point with all varieties of Fundamentalists : They only see the lowest reflections of The Process. Whereas, Spiritually advanced people tend only to see the highest reflections of The Process.

Uniting the Vision of The Process across the entire Spectrum simultaneously, seems to me to be what you are grappling with. I'm not surprized that you are having some difficulties with that. In 1972 that was revealed through Channeling the whole Spectrum simultaneously, and I'm just putting together the significance now. hehehe [EMD QUOTE]

I consider my friends and I to be somewhat "spiritually advanced", and yet we seem to have an understanding of both the "lowest" and the "highest" "Spectrum". Nor do I see where Daniel is having any problem.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding you--could you please be more specific?

[jcldragon]

Well, I sure won't complain, when people figure things out independently from me. Actually, I look forward to whenever that happens. I post at a lot of Pagan message boards, where people are just learning about the Law of Karma, and the Law of Gravitation. Lately, I've been posting about the Law of Momentum.

The "As Above, So Below" aspect of the Cascade of Creation, is something I've not had a chance to discuss with anybody online, until now.

It seemed to me, that Daniel's first post in this thread, was his way of making clear to himself, what had been revealed to him. That was made some time ago, so I'm sure he comprehends a whole lot more now, than he did at the time. Actually, it couldn't be any other way. All of us are making amazing progress these days, especially compared to what we used to learn in a single lifetime in our past incarnations.

We really are on the verge of the general population becoming aware that the Spiritual Path exists. A hundred years from now, people will have to learn about the problems endemic to humanity of our time, (Ignorance, Greed, Malice), by studying history books.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

That is the sticky point with all varieties of Fundamentalists : They only see the lowest reflections of The Process. Whereas, Spiritually advanced people tend only to see the highest reflections of The Process. i'm not sure either part sees either one of that process..

[jcldragon]

You know the Bell Curve of Statistical Probability? It's a beautiful curve that describes many things in Nature. The distribution of intelligence in humanity is a commonm example. I think it also describes the general distribution of Spiritual Awareness among the human race.

So at the top end, we see the most advanced humans in Wisdom, Knowledge & Love. At the lower end we see those humans most attuned to Ignorance, Greed & Malice. The vast majority of humanity is clustered in the middle.

Since everybody at every phase of development is gaining in experience of Life, there is a general drift towards the higher end. That keeps raising the bar, as far as "most advanced" humans are concerned, but who could complain about that? The Path is all about the unfolding of Realization.

[sidecross]

The Great Turning: From Empire to Earth
Community

By David Korten
Yes! Magazine
Summer 2006 Issue


By what name will future generations know our time?

Will they speak in anger and frustration of the time of the Great Unraveling, when profligate consumption exceeded Earth's capacity to sustain and led to an accelerating wave of collapsing environmental systems, violent competition for what remained of the planet's resources, and a dramatic dieback of the human population? Or will they look back in joyful celebration on the time of the Great Turning, when their forebears embraced the higher-order potential of their human nature, turned crisis into opportunity, and learned to live in creative partnership with one another and Earth?

A Defining Choice

We face a defining choice between two contrasting models for organizing human affairs. Give them the generic names Empire and Earth Community. Absent an understanding of the history and implications of this choice, we may squander valuable time and resources on efforts to preserve or mend cultures and institutions that cannot be fixed and must be replaced.

Empire organizes by domination at all levels, from relations among nations to relations among family members. Empire brings fortune to the few, condemns the majority to misery and servitude, suppresses the creative potential of all, and appropriates much of the wealth of human societies to maintain the institutions of domination.

Earth Community, by contrast, organizes by partnership, unleashes the human potential for creative co-operation, and shares resources and surpluses for the good of all. Supporting evidence for the possibilities of Earth Community comes from the findings of quantum physics, evolutionary biology, developmental psychology, anthropology, archaeology, and religious mysticism. It was the human way before Empire; we must make a choice to re-learn how to live by its principles.

Developments distinctive to our time are telling us that Empire has reached the limits of the exploitation that people and Earth will sustain. A mounting perfect economic storm born of a convergence of peak oil, climate change, and an imbalanced US economy dependent on debts it can never repay is poised to bring a dramatic restructuring of every aspect of modern life. We have the power to choose, however, whether the consequences play out as a terminal crisis or an epic opportunity. The Great Turning is not a prophecy. It is a possibility.

A Turn From Life

According to cultural historian Riane Eisler, early humans evolved within a cultural and institutional frame of Earth Community. They organized to meet their needs by cooperating with life rather than by dominating it. Then some 5,000 years ago, beginning in Mesopotamia, our ancestors made a tragic turn from Earth Community to Empire. They turned away from a reverence for the generative power of life - represented by female gods or nature spirits - to a reverence for hierarchy and the power of the sword - represented by distant, usually male, gods. The wisdom of the elder and the priestess gave way to the arbitrary rule of the powerful, often ruthless, king.

Paying the Price

The peoples of the dominant human societies lost their sense of attachment to the living earth, and societies became divided between the rulers and the ruled, exploiters and exploited. The brutal competition for power created a relentless play-or-die, rule-or-be-ruled dynamic of violence and oppression and served to elevate the most ruthless to the highest positions of power. Since the fateful turn, the major portion of the resources available to human societies has been diverted from meeting the needs of life to supporting the military forces, prisons, palaces, temples, and patronage for retainers and propagandists on which the system of domination in turn depends. Great civilizations built by ambitious rulers fell to successive waves of corruption and conquest.

The primary institutional form of Empire has morphed from the city-state to the nation-state to the global corporation, but the underlying pattern of domination remains. It is axiomatic: for a few to be on top, many must be on the bottom. The powerful control and institutionalize the processes by which it will be decided who enjoys the privilege and who pays the price, a choice that commonly results in arbitrarily excluding from power whole groups of persons based on race and gender.

Troubling Truths

Herein lies a crucial insight. If we look for the source of the social pathologies increasingly evident in our culture, we find they have a common origin in the dominator relations of Empire that have survived largely intact in spite of the democratic reforms of the past two centuries. The sexism, racism, economic injustice, violence, and environmental destruction that have plagued human societies for 5,000 years, and have now brought us to the brink of a potential terminal crisis, all flow from this common source. Freeing ourselves from these pathologies depends on a common solution - replacing the underlying dominator cultures and institutions of Empire with the partnership cultures and institutions of Earth Community. Unfortunately, we cannot look to imperial powerholders to lead the way.

Beyond Denial

History shows that as empires crumble the ruling elites become ever more corrupt and ruthless in their drive to secure their own power - a dynamic now playing out in the United States. We Americans base our identity in large measure on the myth that our nation has always embodied the highest principles of democracy, and is devoted to spreading peace and justice to the world.

But there has always been tension between America's high ideals and its reality as a modern version of Empire. The freedom promised by the Bill of Rights contrasts starkly with the enshrinement of slavery elsewhere in the original articles of the Constitution. The protection of property, an idea central to the American dream, stands in contradiction to the fact that our nation was built on land taken by force from Native Americans. Although we consider the vote to be the hallmark of our democracy, it took nearly 200 years before that right was extended to all citizens.

Americans acculturated to the ideals of America find it difficult to comprehend what our rulers are doing, most of which is at odds with notions of egalitarianism, justice, and democracy. Within the frame of historical reality, it is perfectly clear: they are playing out the endgame of Empire, seeking to consolidate power through increasingly authoritarian and anti-democratic policies.

Wise choices necessarily rest on a foundation of truth. The Great Turning depends on awakening to deep truths long denied. Cultural Turning

The Great Turning begins with a cultural and spiritual awakening - a turning in cultural values from money and material excess to life and spiritual fulfillment, from a belief in our limitations to a belief in our possibilities, and from fearing our differences to rejoicing in our diversity. It requires reframing the cultural stories by which we define our human nature, purpose, and possibilities.

Economic Turning

The values shift of the cultural turning leads us to redefine wealth - to measure it by the health of our families, communities, and natural environment. It leads us from policies that raise those at the top to policies that raise those at the bottom, from hoarding to sharing, from concentrated to distributed ownership, and from the rights of ownership to the responsibilities of stewardship.

Political Turning

The economic turning creates the necessary conditions for a turn from a one-dollar, one-vote democracy to a one-person, one-vote democracy, from passive to active citizenship, from competition for individual advantage to cooperation for mutual advantage, from retributive justice to restorative justice, and from social order by coercion to social order by mutual responsibility and accountability.

Global Awakening

Empire's true believers maintain that the inherent flaws in our human nature lead to a natural propensity to greed, violence, and lust for power. Social order and material progress depend, therefore, on imposing elite rule and market discipline to channel these dark tendencies to positive ends. Psychologists who study the developmental pathways of the individual consciousness observe a more complex reality. Just as we grow up in our physical capacities and potential given proper physical nourishment and exercise, we also grow up in the capacities and potential of our consciousness, given proper social and emotional nourishment and exercise.

Over a lifetime, those who enjoy the requisite emotional support traverse a pathway from the narcissistic, undifferentiated magical consciousness of the newborn to the fully mature, inclusive, and multidimensional spiritual consciousness of the wise elder. The lower, more narcissistic, orders of consciousness are perfectly normal for young children, but become sociopathic in adults and are easily encouraged and manipulated by advertisers and demagogues. The higher orders of consciousness are a necessary foundation of mature democracy. Perhaps Empire's greatest tragedy is that its cultures and institutions systematically suppress our progress to the higher orders of consciousness.

Given that Empire has prevailed for 5,000 years, a turn from Empire to Earth Community might seem a hopeless fantasy if not for the evidence from values surveys that a global awakening to the higher levels of human consciousness is already underway. This awakening is driven in part by a communications revolution that defies elite censorship and is breaking down the geographical barriers to intercultural exchange. The consequences of the awakening are manifest in the civil rights, women's, environmental, peace, and other social movements. These movements in turn gain energy from the growing leadership of women, communities of color, and indigenous peoples, and from a shift in the demographic balance in favor of older age groups more likely to have achieved the higher-order consciousness of the wise elder.

It is fortuitous that we humans have achieved the means to make a collective choice as a species to free ourselves from Empire's seemingly inexorable compete-or-die logic at the precise moment we face the imperative to do so. The speed at which institutional and technological advances have created possibilities wholly new to the human experience is stunning.

Just over 60 years ago, we created the United Nations, which, for all its imperfections, made it possible for the first time for representatives of all the world's nations and people to meet in a neutral space to resolve differences through dialogue rather than force of arms.

Less than 50 years ago, our species ventured into space to look back and see ourselves as one people sharing a common destiny on a living space ship.

In little more than 10 years our communications technologies have given us the ability, should we choose to use it, to link every human on the planet into a seamless web of nearly costless communication and cooperation.

Already our new technological capability has made possible the interconnection of the millions of people who are learning to work as a dynamic, self-directing social organism that transcends boundaries of race, class, religion, and nationality and functions as a shared conscience of the species. We call this social organism global civil society. On February 15, 2003, it brought more than 10 million people to the streets of the world's cities, towns, and villages to call for peace in the face of the buildup to the US invasion of Iraq. They accomplished this monumental collective action without a central organization, budget, or charismatic leader through social processes never before possible on such a scale. This was but a foretaste of the possibilities for radically new forms of partnership organization now within our reach.

Break the Silence, End the Isolation, Change the Story

We humans live by stories. The key to making a choice for Earth Community is recognizing that the foundation of Empire's power does not lie in its instruments of physical violence. It lies in Empire's ability to control the stories by which we define ourselves and our possibilities in order to perpetuate the myths on which the legitimacy of the dominator relations of Empire depend. To change the human future, we must change our defining stories.

Story Power

For 5,000 years, the ruling class has cultivated, rewarded, and amplified the voices of those storytellers whose stories affirm the righteousness of Empire and deny the higher-order potentials of our nature that would allow us to live with one another in peace and cooperation. There have always been those among us who sense the possibilities of Earth Community, but their stories have been marginalized or silenced by Empire's instruments of intimidation. The stories endlessly repeated by the scribes of Empire become the stories most believed. Stories of more hopeful possibilities go unheard or unheeded and those who discern the truth are unable to identify and support one another in the common cause of truth telling. Fortunately, the new communications technologies are breaking this pattern. As truth-tellers reach a wider audience, the myths of Empire become harder to maintain.

The struggle to define the prevailing cultural stories largely defines contemporary cultural politics in the United States. A far-right alliance of elitist corporate plutocrats and religious theocrats has gained control of the political discourse in the United States not by force of their numbers, which are relatively small, but by controlling the stories by which the prevailing culture defines the pathway to prosperity, security, and meaning. In each instance, the far right's favored versions of these stories affirm the dominator relations of Empire.

The imperial prosperity story says that an eternally growing economy benefits everyone. To grow the economy, we need wealthy people who can invest in enterprises that create jobs. Thus, we must support the wealthy by cutting their taxes and eliminating regulations that create barriers to accumulating wealth. We must also eliminate welfare programs in order to teach the poor the value of working hard at whatever wages the market offers.

The imperial security story tells of a dangerous world, filled with criminals, terrorists, and enemies. The only way to insure our safety is through major expenditures on the military and the police to maintain order by physical force.

The imperial meaning story reinforces the other two, featuring a God who rewards righteousness with wealth and power and mandates that they rule over the poor who justly suffer divine punishment for their sins.

These stories all serve to alienate us from the community of life and deny the positive potentials of our nature, while affirming the legitimacy of economic inequality, the use of physical force to maintain imperial order, and the special righteousness of those in power.

It is not enough, as many in the United States are doing, to debate the details of tax and education policies, budgets, war, and trade agreements in search of a positive political agenda. Nor is it enough to craft slogans with broad mass appeal aimed at winning the next election or policy debate. We must infuse the mainstream culture with stories of Earth Community. As the stories of Empire nurture a culture of domination, the stories of Earth Community nurture a culture of partnership. They affirm the positive potentials of our human nature and show that realizing true prosperity, security, and meaning depends on creating vibrant, caring, interlinked communities that support all persons in realizing their full humanity. Sharing the joyful news of our human possibilities through word and action is perhaps the most important aspect of the Great Work of our time.

Changing the prevailing stories in the United States may be easier to accomplish than we might think. The apparent political divisions notwithstanding, US polling data reveal a startling degree of consensus on key issues. Eighty-three percent of Americans believe that as a society the United States is focused on the wrong priorities. Supermajorities want to see greater priority given to children, family, community, and a healthy environment. Americans also want a world that puts people ahead of profits, spiritual values ahead of financial values, and international cooperation ahead of international domination. These Earth Community values are in fact widely shared by both conservatives and liberals.

Our nation is on the wrong course not because Americans have the wrong values. It is on the wrong course because of remnant imperial institutions that give unaccountable power to a small alliance of right-wing extremists who call themselves conservative and claim to support family and community values, but whose preferred economic and social policies constitute a ruthless war against children, families, communities, and the environment.

The distinctive human capacity for reflection and intentional choice carries a corresponding moral responsibility to care for one another and the planet. Indeed, our deepest desire is to live in loving relationships with one another. The hunger for loving families and communities is a powerful, but latent, unifying force and the potential foundation of a winning political coalition dedicated to creating societies that support every person in actualizing his or her highest potential.

In these turbulent and often frightening times, it is important to remind ourselves that we are privileged to live at the most exciting moment in the whole of the human experience. We have the opportunity to turn away from Empire and to embrace Earth Community as a conscious collective choice. We are the ones we have been waiting for.


David Korten is co-founder and board chair of the Positive Futures Network. This article draws from his newly released book, The Great Turning: From Empire to Earth Community. Go to www.yesmagazine.org/greatturning (http://www.yesmagazine.org/greatturning) for book excerpts, related articles, David's talks, and resources for action.

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[gandydancer]

Nice article. Thanks. But in the third from the last paragraph he says this:

Our nation is on the wrong course not because Americans have the wrong values. It is on the wrong course because of remnant imperial institutions that give unaccountable power to a small alliance of right-wing extremists who call themselves conservative and claim to support family and community values, but whose preferred economic and social policies constitute a ruthless war against children, families, communities, and the environment.
It is not "a small alliance of right-wing extremists..." who are leading "a ruthless war..." at all. It is the entire Military/Industrial/Congressional Complex. Anyone who pays attention to politics can clearly see that corporate America, which controls not only the mass amount of funds necessary for a succesful campaign but even the very media through which information is spread, which elects our policy makers. This is especially clear right now in the current Israel/Lebanon conflict.

I am seeing a dim ray of hope lately in that there is a growing body of people who are no longer willing to go to the voting booth and vote for the less of two evils. A while ago someone on this forum said something to the effect of, "Don't vote--it just encourages the bastards". It could as well be said that NOT voting encourages the bastards as well. We have a choice to both vote and not encourage the bastards. Your candidate will not win, a Green candidate for instance, but you will have made the statement that neither party represents your point of view.

Green Party Platform:
http://www.gp.org/platform/2004/

[ July 27, 2006, 02:54 AM: Message edited by: gandydancer ]

[enantiodromia23]

Well, I almost always vote Green... I voted Nader/LaDuke in 2000, and in 2004 I went with the 'lesser of two evils / anything to get GWB out of office' line and voted Kerry... on both of those occasions the elections were STOLEN... So, does going to the voting booth and voting really even matter anymore? We can all stand on the street corner with a sandwich sign saying I Support The Green Party, and who sits in power and continues to make decisions?...

As for the article on the Great Turning (which I applaud for its inspirational zeal and optimism), I think the writer goes too far in comletely exonerating what we might call the average American and laying all the blame on a cabal of right-wing corporate criminals... because we ought to recognize that it is in part our complacency that has put them in charge: they have power because we have given up our own power... And as for our values, well, it's easy for anyone who thinks of him/herself as a moral, decent person to respond to a poll and express support for education and the environment, but how many people are honest with themselves? Most people's values are eminently materialist, as evidenced by our unabated consumption of energy and commodities in the consumer culture - because we are conditioned and habituated and addicted, I ought to add, not because we are bad people...

[Agent Smith]

do NOT underestimate these fucker's will to power or the occult techniques they've used to achive them... reading "think and grow rich" by napoleon hill, with an eye towards what we know now about the ultimate effects of industrialization, the en-dubya-oh, and their thule society leanings becomes rather chilling.

i was out visiting the henry ford museum last week in detroit... the 'average lazy american' is a creation, and figment of certain occult processes which are pretty obvious if you care to look. (ford's about as evil a lookin' fucker as i've ever seen.)

and point of fact nader is not, was not, and never will be a Green. that guy pisses me right the fuck off. i campaigned hard for that backstabbing cocksucker, and he shit on the Greens. fuck nader up the ass with a hedgehog.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

jcldragon,

i'm sorry, but i think your last post is kind of nazi.. i'll ofcourse comment on it, but i can't right now, later!, though i'll say that i'm veeery sceptical of the bell curve, and from what i've read and know nobody really thinks anything serious of it.

but.. The Process? does that make the palestinians lesser spiritually advanced because they fight with war and oppression, and us with the luxury to get high and playstation our way into extropy can call ourselves advanced???

plus, with regard to the 'distribution of intelligence' it really cannot be measured in any way even remotely pleasing when we know that there are so many factors present in the world to thougholy surpress, delay, misroute, currupt, change and inverse peoples intelligence and the presence of peoples intelligence.

again, like conservative school planners trying to squeeze talent from the children by competing them harder against the curriculum and their self-understanding, in reality chokes away more and more human skill, intuitions, creativity and simple genius, so do we, when we map human souls through bell-curves and ken wilberesqueness in our knowing knowables about the unknown, or our making butter-models of the far-far too beyond the structurally generalizable ,we simplify and blind ourselves EEEeeeEEEeeendlessly, and create rating-games of the buddhas, spiritual topologies that does not reflect a state of a state in a life, but makes it a judging against some transhistoric mythosphere's cast of heroes and villians.... eerrr..

it's kind of like jacking-off to alex grey posters, if you dig my meaning!?

and it's essentially dualist to the core.

we cannot reject darkness or evil and the lesser shiny side of the soul by claiming to have outgrown it's metaphysical reach. to do that is to commit the exact same fallacy as any goddamn darth vader that ever raced these winds!

not all process is progress, and the two ain't the same, ..no sir.

and not every deepening of earlier 'understanding' goes neccesarily towards clarification or even truth or the truer...

have you ever concidered that the image of the lone ape, reasoning on behalf of the fate of it's entire planet and everything else, would be kind of laughter inducing for certain gods?

the taoists would probably raise one of those 'ice cube-eyebrows' if they heard the talk of the golden path towards ferryland approaching faster and faster, appearing almost any minute.

... well there, i've said SOMETHING... smile.gif

[ July 27, 2006, 01:27 PM: Message edited by: Caprinardo Delirio ]

[Agent Smith]

eh?

what was that?

didn't quite catch that?

[Caprinardo Delirio]

wha, me?

yeah, i pushed fire by accident...

[Agent Smith]

ah yes, indeed.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

you don't really like nader, do you smith? well, if he fucked you, i guess you'll wanna fuck him back...

i didn't think he was that much of a bad-guy, but i don't know nothing about him really.

"fuck her with king kong" like a young charles mingus once said!

[ July 27, 2006, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: Caprinardo Delirio ]

[sidecross]

I can read that ‘The Great Turning: From Empire to Earth Community’ did not make a lasting impression. :eek:

[Caprinardo Delirio]

we're all willing to chip in, don't despair!

[drew hempel]

Yeah well David Korten promotes Co-Ops as the solution -- which is great -- but that's also what the CIA promotes! There are lots of different kinds of co-ops and co-ops are easily coopted! (Land'o'Lakes, Cenex, etc.)

hahaahah

Anyway David Korten's publisher is the SAME publisher that put out Willis Harmon's books -- the CIA-funded Stanford Research Institute author of a WHITE PAPER PROMOTING FREEMASONRY AS THE SOLUTION TO BACK TO THE LAND RADICALS.

TECHNO-SPIRITUALITY.

That's Korten's schtick as well and he's connected with the Science and Medical Network which also explicitly promotes Freemasonry.

The leftist guru Doug Henwood of "Left Business Observer" really gives it to David Korten because there's no STRUCTURALLY analysis by Korten.

Anyway I'll spare you all the details since this website is so cool. (Henwood is still against Vandana Shiva and Helena Norberg-Hodge which is truly unfortunate).

But I work for a Nader-spin off organization that hired a Philly lawyer to attack our union drive (even though we officially were part of the Green-Blue Alliance!!)

So in the U.S. if you're working class and then become a "manager" you're inundated with anti-union propaganda -- because that's your job!

I'm not some big union fan anyway -- racketeering or strong manipulation to get people to donate to the Dems is not my type of politics.

On and on.

I've read James Hurtak, Drunvalo, Arguelles and yet people who are into them do not want to read THE STARGATE CONSPIRACY which clearly documents why the crop circles are part of a

CIA-FREEMASON AGENDA TO PROMOTE TECHNO-SPIRITUALITY AS A NEW UNIFICATION OF EARTH.

Too bad the technology is apocalyptic but if you're, say, Dr. Robert Jastrow, top NASA wingnut, then seeing the whole planet transformed into Silicon A.I. is "spiritual evolution."

The costs along the way are considered "baptism by fire."

For those who want to dismiss the Stargate Conspiracy then they should also consider that I, myself, uncovered further corroborating evidence -- the World Institute promoting the Actual Matrix Plan -- as per their Theosophist-CIA-Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton-Freemason leaders.

Jose Arguelles, while at Princeton (where the World Institute is chartered) got his start publishing in their theosophist journal, Main Streams in Modern Thought and he promotes the Actual Matrix Plan directly -- the work of CIA mind control scientist Dr. Andrija Puharich, as co-writer with Professor Oliver L. Reiser:

"Cosmic Humanism and World Unity" (1975)

So NONE of that is in the Stargate Conspiracy book yet it completely verifies and vindicates their research.

Again I'm willing to read the CIA New Age propaganda and detail exactly WHY it is propaganda and AGAINST ECOLOGY.

Yet those who support Arguelles, Hurtak, Drunvalo, etc. dismiss the Stargate Conspiracy without considering the larger context.

Jim Keith's books corroborate the Stargate Conspiracy and look what happened to him! Both he and his publisher, Ron Bond, are dead, mysteriously, in their early 40s, just a couple years after Keith cranked out half a dozen conspiracy books over about 5 years -- ending around 2000.

drew hempel, MA

[sidecross]

As I have written once before drew hempal, MA reminds me of either a provocateur or a Mililtary or CIA intellegence operative.
tongue.gif

[enantiodromia23]

yeah?... he kinda reminds me of the Dennis Hopper character in Apocalypse Now (who I loved, BTW)...

[dragonfly]

My local paper published a profile of Daniel today, based on his recent visit to a Durham, N.C. bookstore. It's interesting to me how mainstream media deal with ideas like his. All in all, I thought it was a fair and sympathetic treatment by a good writer. (BTW, I'm the "e-mail acquaintance" mentioned.)

Visit from a prophet
Author takes to the road to spread his vision of a new consciousness
Matt Ehlers, Staff Writer

Prophets generally are ahead of their time. It seems, though, that somebody forgot to tell Amtrak. When Daniel Pinchbeck stepped off the train in Durham, he was two hours behind schedule, and almost 40 minutes late for a talk at The Regulator Bookshop on Ninth Street.

In town last week to stump for his new book, "2012 The Return of Quetzalcoatl," Pinchbeck called ahead and knew there was a crowd waiting for him. They'd assembled to hear his grand idea: that 2012, the year that marks the end of the Mayan calendar, will usher in a new state of consciousness for the world.

He came upon this idea, in part, through the use of psychedelic drugs. Voices come to him. He has dreams that he believes synchronize with his waking life. He travels to far-off countries to participate in religious ceremonies that include hallucinogenic drinks.

It's all part of his journey, he says. ...

For the full story, click here (http://www.newsobserver.com/105/story/465209.html).

[sidecross]

One of my favorite parts of Center of the Cyclone by John C. Lilly appears before the introduction, and it is a quote from G. Spencer Brown, author of The Laws of Form.

“Discoveries of any great moment in mathematics and other disciplines, once they are discovered, are seen to be extremely simple and obvious, and make everybody, including their discoverer seem foolish for not having discovered them before. It is all to often forgotten that the ancient symbol for prenascence of the world is a fool, and that foolishness, being a divine state, is not a condition to be either proud or ashamed of.

Unfortunately we find systems of education today that have departed so far from the plain truth that they now teach us to be proud of what we know and ashamed of ignorance. This is doubly corrupt. It is corrupt not only because pride is in itself a mortal sin, but also because to teach pride in knowledge is to put an effective barrier against any advance upon what is already known, since it makes one ashamed to look beyond the bonds imposed by one’s ignorance.

To any person prepared to enter with respect into the realm of his great and universal ignorance, the secrets of being will eventually unfold, and they will do so in a measure according to his freedom from natural and indoctrinated shame in his respect of their revelation.

In the face of the strong, and indeed violent, social pressures against it, few people have been prepared to take this simple and satisfying course towards sanity. And in a society where a prominent psychiatrist can advertise that, given the chance, he would have treated Newton to electric shock therapy, who can blame any person for being afraid to do so.

To arrive at the simplest truth, as Newton knew and practiced, requires years of contemplation. Not activity. Not reasoning. Not calculating. Not busy behavior of any kind. Not reading. Not talking. Not making an effort. Not thinking. Simply bearing in mind what it is one needs to know. And yet those with the courage to tread this path to real discovery are not only offered practically no guidance to do so, they are actively discouraged and have to set about it in secret, pretending meanwhile to be diligently engaged in the frantic diversions and to conform with the deadening personal opinions that are continually thrust upon them.

In these circumstances, the discoveries that any one person is able to undertake represent the places where, in the face of induced psychosis, he has, by his own faltering and unaided efforts, returned to sanity. Painfully, and even dangerously, may be. But none the less returned, however furtively.”

[Agent Smith]

no i don't like nader. not after he used the Greens, promising to build a thrid party with them, and then discarded them when they no longer served his ego, taking their contributor, and volunteer data base with him claiming they were his. blah, blah, progressive poltical infighting blah....

drew-interesting, i'll have to read up on all that. confirms some of my observations about the scene. any links to castaneda?

[jcldragon]

Originally posted by Caprinardo Delirio:
jcldragon,

i'm sorry, but i think your last post is kind of nazi.. i'll ofcourse comment on it, but i can't right now, later!, though i'll say that i'm veeery sceptical of the bell curve, and from what i've read and know nobody really thinks anything serious of it.

but.. The Process? does that make the palestinians lesser spiritually advanced because they fight with war and oppression, and us with the luxury to get high and playstation our way into extropy can call ourselves advanced???

plus, with regard to the 'distribution of intelligence' it really cannot be measured in any way even remotely pleasing when we know that there are so many factors present in the world to thougholy surpress, delay, misroute, currupt, change and inverse peoples intelligence and the presence of peoples intelligence.

again, like conservative school planners trying to squeeze talent from the children by competing them harder against the curriculum and their self-understanding, in reality chokes away more and more human skill, intuitions, creativity and simple genius, so do we, when we map human souls through bell-curves and ken wilberesqueness in our knowing knowables about the unknown, or our making butter-models of the far-far too beyond the structurally generalizable ,we simplify and blind ourselves EEEeeeEEEeeendlessly, and create rating-games of the buddhas, spiritual topologies that does not reflect a state of a state in a life, but makes it a judging against some transhistoric mythosphere's cast of heroes and villians.... eerrr..

it's kind of like jacking-off to alex grey posters, if you dig my meaning!?

and it's essentially dualist to the core.

we cannot reject darkness or evil and the lesser shiny side of the soul by claiming to have outgrown it's metaphysical reach. to do that is to commit the exact same fallacy as any goddamn darth vader that ever raced these winds!

not all process is progress, and the two ain't the same, ..no sir.

and not every deepening of earlier 'understanding' goes neccesarily towards clarification or even truth or the truer...

have you ever concidered that the image of the lone ape, reasoning on behalf of the fate of it's entire planet and everything else, would be kind of laughter inducing for certain gods?

the taoists would probably raise one of those 'ice cube-eyebrows' if they heard the talk of the golden path towards ferryland approaching faster and faster, appearing almost any minute.

... well there, i've said SOMETHING... smile.gif I have no idea how you got any of that from my post. I mentioned the Bell Curve to indicate that while there really aren't many Saints in the world, there aren't many barbarians either. Most people are well in the middle. Then I went on to say that merely from the experience of Life, that people are always gaining experience, and this causes a general drift towards a greater wisdom.

Totalitarians, (whether Fascist or Communist), view the general public as too stupid to run their own affairs, so they seize power to bend everybody & force them to be their slaves.

There is nothing of that in my thinking. I know that people will figure things out on their own, so I am very big on democratic processes, and consensus-driven decision making.

[Damien]

Originally posted by drew hempel:
Yeah well David Korten promotes Co-Ops as the solution -- which is great -- but that's also what the CIA promotes! There are lots of different kinds of co-ops and co-ops are easily coopted! (Land'o'Lakes, Cenex, etc.)
I lived in a Housing Co-op in Boulder, Colorado from May '05 to May '06 which organized the totality of its shopping trips at the local Boulder Co-op market. Co-op's fail when they are not able to bend and flexibilize their ideals to a world structure which doesn't include them. In the housing co-op there was a repeated lack of ability to compromise on individual liberties vs. group dynamics. In the end the only consolation for either party was the absence of the other. When I had moved into the co-op I considered it to be on the forefront of a new wave in co-habitation...intentional community built on trust, understanding, openness, a real marching curve of transgressional thinking. However what it turned out to be was a respite for those individuals who were afraid of the world and sought to exonerate their rules as an anthema to a randomly chaotic outer patina.

The co-op market on the other hand was able to survive by being in a place of need...rather than forcing itself to block and resist movement from ideals outside of its domain it allowed itself to openly assume contribution outside of itself.

[jcldragon]

Originally posted by Damien:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by drew hempel:
Yeah well David Korten promotes Co-Ops as the solution -- which is great -- but that's also what the CIA promotes! There are lots of different kinds of co-ops and co-ops are easily coopted! (Land'o'Lakes, Cenex, etc.)
I lived in a Housing Co-op in Boulder, Colorado from May '05 to May '06 which organized the totality of its shopping trips at the local Boulder Co-op market. Co-op's fail when they are not able to bend and flexibilize their ideals to a world structure which doesn't include them. In the housing co-op there was a repeated lack of ability to compromise on individual liberties vs. group dynamics. In the end the only consolation for either party was the absence of the other. When I had moved into the co-op I considered it to be on the forefront of a new wave in co-habitation...intentional community built on trust, understanding, openness, a real marching curve of transgressional thinking. However what it turned out to be was a respite for those individuals who were afraid of the world and sought to exonerate their rules as an anthema to a randomly chaotic outer patina.

The co-op market on the other hand was able to survive by being in a place of need...rather than forcing itself to block and resist movement from ideals outside of its domain it allowed itself to openly assume contribution outside of itself.</font>[/QUOTE]As an old Hippie from San Francisco, I've dealt with CO-OPs many times. When somebody is in authority for the GLORY of running the thing, you always have problems, and prolly should bow out. However, when whoever is running the thing, is doing it for the benefit of the comunity as a whole, then those problems seldom crop up, and you really ought to commit yourself to it.

[Damien]

Originally posted by jcldragon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Damien:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by drew hempel:
Yeah well David Korten promotes Co-Ops as the solution -- which is great -- but that's also what the CIA promotes! There are lots of different kinds of co-ops and co-ops are easily coopted! (Land'o'Lakes, Cenex, etc.)
I lived in a Housing Co-op in Boulder, Colorado from May '05 to May '06 which organized the totality of its shopping trips at the local Boulder Co-op market. Co-op's fail when they are not able to bend and flexibilize their ideals to a world structure which doesn't include them. In the housing co-op there was a repeated lack of ability to compromise on individual liberties vs. group dynamics. In the end the only consolation for either party was the absence of the other. When I had moved into the co-op I considered it to be on the forefront of a new wave in co-habitation...intentional community built on trust, understanding, openness, a real marching curve of transgressional thinking. However what it turned out to be was a respite for those individuals who were afraid of the world and sought to exonerate their rules as an anthema to a randomly chaotic outer patina.

The co-op market on the other hand was able to survive by being in a place of need...rather than forcing itself to block and resist movement from ideals outside of its domain it allowed itself to openly assume contribution outside of itself.</font>[/QUOTE]As an old Hippie from San Francisco, I've dealt with CO-OPs many times. When somebody is in authority for the GLORY of running the thing, you always have problems, and prolly should bow out. However, when whoever is running the thing, is doing it for the benefit of the comunity as a whole, then those problems seldom crop up, and you really ought to commit yourself to it.</font>[/QUOTE]That was exactly the problem...pride and pretentious embodiment. Its really sad though because it could have been such a good experiment.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

jcl,

i'm sorry i ripped on you, please take my apocaly.. apologies, and reassure yourself i don't think nothing facist of you!

i've just had a bad case of sickness over the heralds of the coming good-type of folk/talk, which i sadly am very sceptical and think all kinds of bad things about.. sorry i took it out on you, but of course you don't match the case, so i take you took nothing of it..

[ July 29, 2006, 02:35 AM: Message edited by: Caprinardo Delirio ]

[jcldragon]

Originally posted by Damien:
That was exactly the problem...pride and pretentious embodiment. Its really sad though because it could have been such a good experiment.I like to look for repeating underlying patterns, because when you see them, you can be forwarned about Red Flags, and also Green Flags. That can save you a lot of time & trouble. Of course, the Green Flags are best, because they always lead to wonderful opportunities.

[jcldragon]

Originally posted by Caprinardo Delirio:
jcl,

i'm sorry i ripped on you, please take my apocaly.. apologies, and reassure yourself i don't think nothing facist of you!

i've just had a bad case of sickness over the heralds of the coming good-type of folk/talk, which i sadly am very sceptical and think all kinds of bad things about.. sorry i took it out on you, but of course you don't match the case, so i take you took nothing of it..And it is often wise to be suspicious of a Newbie on a message board...

I find that most of the complaints & objections I run across, have nothing to do with me at all. Not that I don't screw up from time to time. hehehe I suspect that recognizing your own fallability, may be an important component of Enlightenment. Of course the step between figuring things out & implementing them, is rather difficult, don't you think?

I'm sure you must be familiar with the Law of Gravitation : We Gravitate conditions to us in the Material World, that match what's going on inside our heads. So if you are expecting things to go a certain way, you are also pushing them in that direction.

Another thing, is that we are all enmeshed in a vast network of mutual influence. Our attitudes about people influence their behavior. So if you are expecting somebody to be difficult, you make it hard for them not to be difficult. On the other hand, if you spot the good qualities in someone's nature, and think about them in that mode, they will tend to respond to that instead.

That there is plenty of crap going down in the world, is obvious, and foolish to deny, (because then you'd have no way of dealing with it). BUT, at the same time there are also many positive developments, and when we recognize them, we further their happening.

This is why I try hard to maintain an attitude that simply by living, that people cannot fail to figure things out. It is a subtle metaphysical way of giving people permission to become Wise.

[drew hempel]

Gravity Attracts All since Gravity IS spacetime curving into a vortex.

LOVE attracts ALL since LOVE is spacetime curving into a vortex.

Empty Awareness is beyond spacetime.

Newton was a Freemason and his Gravity concept is an expression of Love as Imperialism.

EMPTY AWARENESS -- THE COSMIC MOTHER THAT IS UNBORN!!

The Secret of the All-Seeing I-One-Eye is Empty Awareness.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

what are you saying drew?

freemasons were a benign group of people, far more atuned to your mystica that all of the god-fearing fundamentoes of the masses, back when they got things done and pushed things forward...

empty awareness wants to be objectified, totally!

[drew hempel]

Empty Awareness is the 4th dimension of space as consciousness. Empty Awareness is Time beyond the reversal of Time -- Kala as Kali and Kronos as Chronos -- Time turned into consciousness.

The highest level of Freemasonry is detailed in the lastest book by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince -- the Sion Revelation (which is a direct continuation of the Stargate Conspiracy).

Professor Hugh B. Urban details how French Freemasonry, in the highest level exposed on the Sion Revelation, is based on FULL-LOTUS YOGA.

BUT -- if you read MASTER NAN, HUAI-CHIN (who is hardly read by anyone in the West, even though he's a best-selling Taiwanese Professor and Yoga Master)

YOU LEARN THAT EMPTY AWARENESS IS BEYOND ENERGY AND BEYOND MATTER.

You can also learn this by reading:

NOTHING EVER HAPPENS: the biography of H.W.L. Poonja, master of Advaita Vedanta and the top disciple of Ramana Maharshi.

Nothing Ever Happens by David Godman (1998) -- three volume set.

It's a totally amazing, mind-boggling detailed account of the highest level of yoga in India.

So Freemasonry believes in CREATIO EX CHAOS when in fact the truth is

CREATIO EX NIHILO.

NIHILO is not commodified nihilim but is empty awareness.

"Zero" is a fairly new invention -- the Greeks refused to use zero!! It took hundreds of years for "zero" to be accepted into the West.

Even David Ray Griffin promotes CREATIO EX CHAOS -- because he doesn't understand the true limitation of Freemasonry.

David Ray Griffin promotes Freemasonry without knowing it because he's stuck in Whitehead's process theology.

Even Sri Aurobindo promotes Freemasonry and is stuck in Form.

[drew hempel]

Physicist Lawrence Krauss on the latest studies in AntiGravity -- combining special relativity with quantum mechanics:

"We knew the answer. There was a symmetry and the number had to be exactly zero. Well, what have we discovered? There appears to be this energy of empty space that isn't zero! This flies in the face of all conventional wisdom in theoretical particle physics."

So the empty awareness has been objectified?

No - -because the Hadron Accelerator that goes online next year and is needed to test this stuff is also highly dangerous and could destroy the earth with synthetic black holes.

Antimatter weapons and antimatter technology are already a reality in the black-ops arena.

Sure the "emptiness" has been harnessed and objectified but only through even more destructive technology.

So the empty awareness WINS all the time because the technology to objective empty awareness is NOT UNDERSTOOD BY HUMANS -- the computers CONTROL THE LOGIC.

In fact that HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE.

[enantiodromia23]

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e188/ferrarabrainpan/VOMIT.jpg

- PLEASE FASTEN ALL SEAT BELTS - APPROACHING TIMEWAVE ZERO -

[jcldragon]

Since Esoteric Masonry has been brought up, let me link you to a page I made on the Rosicrucian D.O.M.A. plates of the 17th Century. I haven't talked with the Philosophical Research Society about this, but I link back to them, plus have a link to where you can purchase the book, so I figure this is OK.

http://www.jamesclairlewis.com/pages/metaphysics/doma.html

[Lowlight]

Drew,

Its interesting you say " YOU LEARN THAT EMPTY AWARENESS IS BEYOND ENERGY AND BEYOND MATTER."

In not sure anything is beyond 'energy'. The term itself is not scientifically understood as no one knows what it actually 'is'. Unified infinte energy would in fact be 'nothing' or no-thing, and as such be beyond comprehension of any being other than itself. I guess this could be 'empty awareness'. I agree with creation from nothing if nothing is meant in the sense of 'no-thing nothing', or 'Ayin' for the Kabbalists out there. Ayin and 'En Sof' are effectively interchangable. Creation from 'Chaos' is a limited truth and doesnt push the story back far enough.

[drew hempel]

See this discussion is all left-brain phonetic logic. Empty awareness is based on LOGIC not technology. But the logic is "I am that I am." -- inference of the source of the I-thought. ALL LEFT-BRAIN LANGUAGE IS PREMISED ON THE I-THOUGHT.

Repeat I-I-I-I-I to see the source of the I-thought. The I-thought disappears in deep, slow-wave sleep. Does that mean we are automatons? No, there is consciousness that guides our awakened state. All visions are still based on this "I-thought." You could be flying out pass the highest, oldest galaxy yet there would still be someone to ask "who is doing this, from where does my 'I' come from?"

Roger Penrose states the same thing about nonlocal consciousness guiding all reality so western science is trying to figure out how the nonlocal consciousness -- de Broglie's pilot wave -- can decohere into a macro quantum state. For example protons achieve superconductance at room temperature!

Dr. Dean Radin has a brand new book out detailing paranormal studies on this issue of quantum decoherence.

In fact the answer lies in RESONANCE which is NOT MATHEMATIZABLE.

I had this discussion with physics professor Robert McCauley at UT-Austin. He wrote an Amazon review of the physics book "Nexus" stating that it was hookum b.s. because resonance is not mathematizable.

"NEXUS" is a few years old and details quantum chaos as the self-organizing field of reality -- for all systems. But the dominant dynamic is the 80-20 power law -- Pareto's law for economics. It's transcultural.

80-20 is the Tetrad as 4:1 -- 1:2:3:4 -- the Harmonic Series at the Law of Pythagoras.

Quantum chaos, as professor Steve Strogatz has detailed, works but it's not understood by logic. The computers are literally in control.

The thing is left-brain logic has never been in control -- except through inference of the all seeing I-One-Eye -- beyond spacetime.

This is why Newton (monist) trumped Leibniz (process) and Descarte (monist) trumped Vico (process) and Plato (monist) trumped Aristotle (process).

In reality science is just a scam that is destroying the planet. Science IS imperialism.

The only thing eternal is "empty awareness" as taught by Empedocles and Parmenides --

Dr. Peter Kingsley has figured this out in his "Ancient Mystery, Magic and Philosophy" (Oxford U Press, 1996).

http://peterkingsley.com

So the resonance to achieve this can not be contained in any axiomatic, deductive logic based on "containment of infinity" through symbols.

ALL OF FREEMASONRY IS BASED ON CONTAINMENT OF INFINITY THROUGH SYMBOLS -- starting with the "symbolic revolution" of 10,000 BCE documented in the book "Birth of the Gods and the Origin of Agriculture" (Cambridge U Press, 2000).

[Isaiah Mpski]

Great post Lord Drew.

I am that I am that I AM.

[drew hempel]

"Fields force matter into black holes" -- Science News, June 24, 2006.

"Angular momentum -- the same property that keeps Earth from diving into the sun -- keeps the disk revolving around the black hole instead of falling into it."

Well guess what? ANGULAR MOMENTUM IS DEFINED BY LOGARITHMIC MAGNITUDE AS THE HYPOTENUSE OF THE PYTHAGOREAN THEOREM

"The finding could help astrophysicists understand the 'complex give-and-take between galaxies and black holes." -- Joe Miller of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.

Yeah so could a bunch of DMT.

[drew hempel]

"Astronomy gets Polarized" July 8, 2006, Science News.

The new spectropolarimeter enables analysis of "naturally asymmetric configurations" because if the light "appeared equally bright no matter the angle of the sunglass lens, then it would be radiating the same amount of light at all angles....But if the light...appeared brighter at certain angles, then it must by asymmetric, perhaps egg-shaped."

"Researchers recently used the data to confirm inflation, a key part of the Big Bang story line...rapid expansion greatly amplified chance, subatomic fluctuations in the density of the otherwise perfectly uniform cosmos. Those amplified fluctuations then became the seeds from which all the clumpy structure of the universe -- stars and glaxies -- arose."

"The primordial fluctuations -- what astronomers call the cosmic seeds -- are imprinted in the microwave background as variations in temperature that, although tiny, are about 100 times as large as those created by polarization."

Random, amplified fluctuations in the density of subatomic particles.

Yeah -- well like I said, "density" is dependent on logarithmic axiomatic magnitude while Natural Resonance has Randy Om -- not "random" fluctuations.

The subatomic particles are guided by the de Broglie wave of nonlocal consciousness beyond spacetime.

[drew hempel]

Randy Om makes a way better Big Bang than random amplified fluctuations. But you're right -- equations no way.

[drew hempel]

We can see why Dean Radin's bibliography for his new book really pisses off the sceptics:

http://www.deanradin.com/NewWeb/EMbiblio.html

[lovemanifest]

I believe Daniel connected with the consciousness of Quetzalcoatl, and that totally kicks ass.
My guess is that's not the last we'll hear from him.
Even though we've trashed Mom Earth, I am a redhead and eternal optimist, and believe we're gonna get it together and get down at the cosmic party in 2012. Bring a towel, people. Big players like Pakal Votan, Quetzalcoatl, Sananda, the Pleiadians, etc. have got to make some kind of appearance as our dimensions merge and we collectively experience our full multidimensionality. I'll be wearing pink phat pants.

[Isaiah Mpski]

I have yet to run into Daniel,
I wear a gem that was found in a pyramid looted during the building of the rairoad that supplied the makers of the Panama Canal.It looks more like jade than turquoise(sic)
The story was it supposedly was worn by Quetzalcoatl and was to be worn by him in the future.It was given to me by Landis Wilson,near San Antonio.
I also have a tatto on my thigh that reads,
"King of Kings.Lord of Lords."

and used to be a red head lol.

you can see my pic on yahoo group PickOverFlow

[Quesalid]

Pardon me for nto reading all 43 pages of this topic, if my comment has already been addressed

I've enjoyed the conversation thus far, and am endeared to the thoughts and beliefs and ideas contained, but please pardon and allow this;

Has anyone wondered why Quetzalcoatl was unfamiliar with the mistranslation of the mark of the beast. A proper translation of revelations marks the beast's number as 616, and not 666.

~Quesalid

[Isaiah Mpski]

Is that the same thing as 2 6's and a juan.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

once again: 666 is the barcode.. the three double-thin lines on both sides + the middle. the same lines as the numer 6.. and the exact same prophecy as the hopis' about the mark of the bear. which also looks just like the barcode

666
=
the mark of commerce

period

[Quesalid]

Nope, that doesn't answer my question.

Speciafically, Daniel writes

Almost apologetically, the vehicle notes that his birthday fell in June, 1966 – 6/66 – "count the number of the Beast: for it is the number of the man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

The Beast prophecied is the "feathered serpent," Quetzalcoatl. So, a mssively inteligent being didn't know that verse is a mistranslation?

that's all I'm saying, that this vision has too many elements of personal desire refelected upon the desire for new myths and something to beleive in.

I dont' doubt that Daniel had the experience, but I seriously doubt the validity of the conetent as it relates to the material world.

I swear, amyn times have I and other friends "been told" they are the "choosen one" while on DMT. it's all hyper-fantasy taken to an experiential level.

In a way, we are all the chosen one and vessels of amazing creativity and energy in which we throw away while toiling at dumb jobs building widgets and yahoos.

friends, I value highly the expereiences I have have with mind-altering substances, and do realize they tap you into the possibilities of the unconscious, but in no way is there any kind of plan that is unfolding, prophesies to receive...

In fact, despite the 666 mistranslation, that number was a numerical analog for Nero, and revelations was coded language for the desire and plan to take down the Roman Empire.

And what happened? the empire wasn't taken down, it was rebuilt into the image of Paul and Constantine. An empire we still live under today. Not politically, but culturally...

It's unfortunate that this bible verse made it into your visio, Daniel, but it is also a blessing. Somehow, subconsciously, this was a part of your brain helping you see the vision jsut as a vision, and while something to take seriously, not something to take literally.

It's as if your subconscious wanted to make sure you didn't take it the wrong way.

I mean, besides, if this was a real prophetic vision, wouldn't it have been nice to knwo what happens on december 22nd, 2012?

I would love to know...

let us also nto forget that Daniel in earnest was looking for public help in decoding this transmission. Everything we see is not to be taken for face value...

[ September 06, 2006, 05:08 AM: Message edited by: Quesalid ]

[Isaiah Mpski]

Listen.Everyday in any mental institution in the world there are countless people who claim they are the Messiah.That's the way it is.Mother nature continues to furnish them and the one who is "chosen"that is one who is synchronous with the mythology and the psyche of God will stand out.
Let's start with Christ.Anyone who claims to be Christ somehow has to figure in His or I should say Hir 10 with the same system that 666 fit's into.I've explained that in previous posts but will do so again so you can begin to understand.
Second our Messiah-Christ-has had to have experienced a crisis-crucifixion-similar to what Jesus went through.In my case after receiving my epiphany on the beach at Galveston while JAMES Guckian was to the left of me and JOHN luker was to the right of me.Let the reader understand.
I was then hit in the mouth by a cop,taken before two magistrates,the first of whom said he could find nothing wrong with me.The second one-Judge Youngblood-turned me over and I was crucified and died-two hundred hrs of insulin coma,two hundred ect's and a few other barberous acts.At least twice I was found lying on the floor-no blood pressure,detectable heart beat secondary to a blood sugar way down there in the middle of the night so I think you can say I was dead but brought back to life.
Thirdly one should look something like Christ.
You can get a pretty good picture of him from Shroud of Turin and will have a nice scar on his mouth where the cop hit him as well as healed hole in his side and not last but leastly he probably will have B positve blood type,
"God gave his B-gotten son...."

I bet most of you never really knew what that verse meant.

John 14:26,15:26,and 16:13 and alot of Revelation.

[ September 07, 2006, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: Isaiah Mpski ]

[Isaiah Mpski]

OK.I'm going to explain to one more time the meaning of 666 and of the alpha and the omega.

Let us first put things in prespective.
johndonaldson= 55 = 10

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0

A B C D E F G H I J

K L M N O P Q R S T

U V W X Y Z

Ten (the alpha and the omega,the beginning and the end.The first and the last.10.Christ.

If you add 666= 18 = 9.One short of the 10.When you start converting names etc into numerological discussion you should learn to go through and cross out every nine and every combination that adds up to nine because when all is figured 9 makes no difference.Do your own name and see.

That lets out alot of people who think they are Christ.At least 10%.
26 letters in our alphabet by the way.

[ September 08, 2006, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: Isaiah Mpski ]

[nyk]

Has anyone wondered why Quetzalcoatl was unfamiliar with the mistranslation of the mark of the beast. A proper translation of revelations marks the beast's number as 616, and not 666.
Quesalid-

The version of Revelations you are referring
to is still well after-the-fact. All versions
extant are copies of copies of copies. Because
one of those is older than another, does that
necessarily make it more correct? Who knows
what lineage of that scrap with 616 was? It
is a fragment of the book of Revelations, and
therefore cannot be fully analyzed.

Public consciousness holds the number '666'.

If it is true that the past is created from
the present, then perhaps it is/was the
author of Revelations who has/had mistranslated
it.

Maybe a better question is be why would anyone
consider 'June 1966' as having any connection
with the infamous '666' in the first place?!
I would consider that a red flag. When the
gods start pulling that poop on me that is when
I tell 'em to frak off. For example. Earlier
this summer, my partner and I started encounter-
ing '7' in all manner of forms, one after another
after another. That was fun for a couple of
days. Then it began to feel very tacky...even
mechanical. And irritating. And we ended it.
Sometimes the gods need to be kungfued, just a
little.

;)

-Nyk

[willoweyes]

quaa--sallid==what beauty.

beauty protects us from God's desertion.. .'

thank you for this intoxicating freedom!!

[nyk]

The following is what I posted today, following
completion of The Return of Quetzalcoatl this
morning, in another forum...

Topic: Quetzalcoatl Emerging

Something major-major-major has been unfolding in the past week.

I doubt I could even begin to quantify it. My 'dreams' last night -
all night - were beyond marvelous. In the latter portion, I and
my partner, were in a space that was neither embodied, nor disem-
bodied, and yet there was a definite sense of place and of movement.
I have touched this realm on numerous occasions. But this is the
first time that I actually took up residence...and with full
consciousness. My partner concurred on this when we conferred
on our dream experiences this morning.

We set off on an expedition to the far west coast a week and a
half ago - with no plans whatsoever - and ended up on the Oregon
coast near Yachats. And there we took our Intent and drove it
unexpectedly into an entire new level/realm. The theme which
emerged we dubbed ‘love perpetua’. It has everything to do with
merging the archetype of love into living reality. And if anything,
this has accelerated since our return, rather than receded.

As I have been carving a return into music this year, I impulsively
picked up the September issue of Rolling Stone a couple of weeks
ago [I have only bought this magazine one other time in my life],
thinking I ought to see what’s going on these days in the world
of ‘music’. In it there was a provocative article on someone named
Daniel Pinchbeck. During our return from the coast, I felt compelled
to seek a book store for Daniel’s new book. I finished reading it
this morning.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7584/quetzalcoatlop7.jpg

In a nutshell, this is the first time since my partner and I catapulted
thru the rabbit hole over seven years ago, that I have found some-
one else describing the same realization and understanding that
she and I encountered and merged with. I have been waiting a
very long time to hear our own thoughts echoing back to us - in
some form beyond our cult of two.

Daniel has extensively incorporated DMT in his evolution. This
will undoubtedly put off many people in today’s climate, people
who have to one degree or another succumbed to the establishment’s
(successful) propaganda that drugs are all bad, unless they are
state approved pharmaceuticals. Most of my friends are under-
taking the DMT route, while my partner and I do not apparently
need the boost - we were both born cracked. In any case, every-
one on the path of metamorphosis utilizes DMT - the ‘spirit
molecule’ - because it is produced in the brain, and it is the
natural key to the door.

This book is something of a patch-work. It is evident that the
author was in the midst of monumental struggle to bring both
the realization and the transcription of it into flesh. This is a
very difficult matter to verbalize. And there has been a global
‘writer’s block’ for awhile now. No one else, in my estimat-
ion, has even come close to what Daniel has managed to
evince out of this epoch time, and the quantum river in
which we find ourselves, exponentially spirally toward
some inconceivable Omega Point. Quetzalcoatl represents
the unification of heaven and earth; which is also within
and without, spirit and matter, future and past, etcetera.
It is the resolution - or birth - of Love. And this Time
Zero that is approaching is the moment when all levels
converge - for real. We are well past the event horizon
now, and I think this is becoming apparent. It is not the
end of the world; it is the end of a world.

[K.J]

Great review! I loved the picture too.

[nyk]

OMG, someone read my posting! Thanks!

I have posted the same thing in 3 other forums, where dialogues have
now taken flight...but here there seems to be a pall of malaise hanging
in the air.

:confused:

[Somantics]

Maybe there is a malaise here! For my part I think it’s equivalent to a party when you’ve met all the guests, discussed all about yourself and what you do (and would like to do) and it gets to a lull where everyone decides what to do next. It’s a weird thing as we’re on the edge of something but perhaps it’s because the momentum is so great that we’re a bit overwhelmed.

It’s like when I discovered the Internet for the first time – after realising I could look at absolutely anything I wanted to I almost couldn’t think of anything!

Of course sometimes you put an idea forward that doesn’t fly but I still think it’s important to share stuff. Sometimes it may be simply cultural lag – I don’t understand the outlook behind a great many posts on this board but I enjoy participating if I can.

[nyk]

Hey...methinks the air is clearing. I even see that Daniel came by and
posted a tidbit last night!

Q is a tough pill to swallow. BOtH was a much safer overture in many
regards. I frankly, do not think that very many people really want to
look this beast in the eye. It is too threatening to the fabric of reality
as they cognize it to be, as they are comfortable - more-or-less - to
functioning within. Q penetrates both subjective and objective reality.
That is just too much. Nevermind that the transition is already well
underway already! I have been intentionally working with the incorp-
oration of this for almost 8 years now, and still it is sometimes a very
difficult passage, to put it mildly.

I think that the ‘tribes’ are going to be a helluva lot smaller and
more spread apart than most idealists have projected them to be.

[sidecross]

I think it interesting to note that the human in its 100,000 year form is physically structured to be peaceful.

We have no fangs, claws, poison stingers, great physical speed, or other innate properties to be combative; while on the other hand we have the physical bodies to enjoy the sensitivity of the lightest touch of affection and other physical and emotional pleasures.

What went wrong is perplexing and something that can be studied and discussed for longer than this forum could ever contain.

I think we must begin at the beginning to solve our dilemma, and that is the courage to admit we have gotten all wrong.

My very first post on BOTH concerned a comment from a horse trainer; she said most people’s training of their horse never seems to begin from the ‘beginning’. They usually start with too many assumptions and then wonder why their horse does not turn out as expected.

We too if we are to advance to our full potential must begin from the beginning.

Breaking Open the Head may be the best four words daniel has ever put together to emphasize this understanding.

[nyk]

Beautiful sidecross!

Yes. Yes. Yes.

:)

[Humming]

nyk, i read your post. I was quite inspired by it actually.

What you describe as the "love perpetua" is what I have felt as the highest purpose of all existence. I have touched that realm of ultimate love, where you are loving and in love with everything. I think this is an experience of understanding the Self.

I wish that I could be in that place all the time. I know in the deepest part of my soul that achieving this total love is the most noble and useful thing I could do with my life.

Thanks for the reminder!

[Isaiah Mpski]

Humming,believe me,that is what you feel when you aze down at a child you've help create.

[nyk]

nyk, i read your post. I was quite inspired by it actually.

What you describe as the "love perpetua" is what I have felt as the highest purpose of all existence. I have touched that realm of ultimate love, where you are loving and in love with everything. I think this is an experience of understanding the Self.

I wish that I could be in that place all the time. I know in the deepest part of my soul that achieving this total love is the most noble and useful thing I could do with my life.

Thanks for the reminder!




Ohhhhhhh thank you Humming! You have just made a brilliant connection
for me here......

What is Quetzalcoatl?

It is a synthesis of heaven and earth. This synthesis is a total acceptance
of heaven - which is spirit/mind...and a total acceptance of earth - which
is matter/body. Total acceptance is love. It is YES. The division is no more.
Quetzalcoatl is not coming to us, to earth. It is something that is arising
from within us - individually and enmasse - from out of the depths of
our souls. We are saying yes to god and to man. We are saying yes to
it all. And the result is the fusion of the physical domain and the psychic
domain. The fusion of the dream world and the dirt world.

What is going to happen in the next 6 years. Everything is going to happen.
And that means that every choice of destiny will be up for grabs. That
has already begun. We are gradually growing stronger, somewhere in
our interior landscapes. I can see that, can feel it occurring in those I
place my focus upon. Such as you.

It is this very process of acceptance that has been gradually dawning on
me this summer. And something in my awareness clicked a week ago.

And then suddenly I find Daniel and Q in my life. Just like that. Snap!

I call this punctuated equilibrium! A New Edge in Evolution. ;)

[nyk]

This, by-the-way, is my photograph representing love perpetua
taken at dusk on 12 September 2006 immediately following the
invocation of our 3rd and final session of our coastal expedition:

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6568/perpetuabky0.jpg

[Rob P]

.......

wow - what a beautiful photograph.....
it looks like a classical painting!
seeya
r o b

.......

[Lowlight]

Impressive picture, thanks for posting it!

[nyk]

That was easy.

My real challenge is putting all of this to song. Q tends to be a bit
overbearing.....but I am working on it!


:)

[Manny Wolves]

Hey I know that place! I have a picture of myself there that is so not as cool as this one! That's a beautiful photograph. I love the coast when it's foggy...it's like standing at the edge of the world.

[nyk]

Bingo (though the name might've been a bit of a giveaway;)!

We only discovered this place by 'accident' earlier that afternoon after
looking at some pamplet laying in our cottage (we have been to the
Neptune area twice before, since 1999).

That fog moved in (after days of sun) right as we were driving up there.

We stood, each on either side of that altarish looking thing on the right,
facing one another, each with an E capsule in hand. We brought our
hands to our sternums (in the prayer position), vocally expressed our
Intent as we extended our knife edges to touch, then continued the
movement of the hands upward, then spreading out and down - like a
fountain - to our sides (not all the way down), palms facing forward in a
posture of total bloom and acceptance.

Some may laugh at our use of E. But if they could feel what we have
turned it into (over these last seven+ years)...effects that are even
objectified...oh boy!

[nyk]

Oh yeah....edge of the world. That is so very, very right!

Forget downloads...this is major imprinting business!

[Incasungod]

seven,fourteen,twentyone. I see the future and the past.I am the future and the past.I am hiding from those who seek me.my glow is now visual,what you percieve as a halo is a visual sympton of enlightenment.I see it all now,the trees they see me too.I hear the pain of the world.I feel the light inside me inside all my cells.Inside my being.I remember all that i was so long ago.The flickering memorys of the land of gold and water. where do I go? the glow around my head is too bright. people can not see me yet,like this anyway,they look at me they think it is an illusion,it is not,I hear their thoughts like whispers. I cant turn it on and off.Even in the dark I can be seen. over Atl and green is a great love.The calendar is almost at an end. love is in all things.In you and me and the garden we play in is a special place for us all. can anyone help me hide. please

[Isaiah Mpski]

Help you hide frm what?

[nyk]

Maybe if Incasungod used a lighter font and tone, that would help....like this.

[nanouk]

...or simply like this: :)

[Isaiah Mpski]

I have a place in Mexico.Seven hundred a week will buy you alot of protection.

[nyk]

I have a place in Mexico.Seven hundred a week will buy you alot of protection.

Seven hundred pesos?

[777]

Curiously enough, it's actually a fallacy that 666 is the number of the beast, 666 is actually the number of man according to Revelations. People have just attributed the Platonic dualism of divinity and material to equate the idea of man in this situation as opposing divinity and therefore representing the devil.

Maybe the beast is man? Remove the duality lens and we are but one and the same so are we not the man and the beast? Isn’t DEVIL just another way of looking at God’s life? He LIVED!

666 is an important number as David Fideler pointed out in his book 'Jesus Christ SUN of God, Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism':

"In Hebrew Kabbalah, the names of the Intelligence of the Sun and the Spirit of the Sun were designed to equal 111 and 666 respectively. Like 888, 666 is an important musical number, for .666 is the ratio of the perfect fifth, the most powerful harmonic interval."

Ancient gematria says that Jesus (Iesous) is equal to 888.

I feel 666 is the number of an avatar representing the possibility of an entirely synchronised reality. My belief is that 666 is the key to unlocking a new reality, an inauguration of an old truth with a new and potent expression, a nitrous injection into that truth creating vehicle hijacked during a drug fuelled night on laughing gas. What did I really expect to achieve inhaling so much rocket fuel?! To never stop laughing? LOL! It sure did take me to the stars… or was I a star child all along and this was the key to unlocking my mind or breaking open the head should I say, and allowing me to remember?

With the unveiling of our elegant universe as Superstring theorists suggest, we are in fact a grand symphony of a reality, a divinely orchestrated playing field of experience and feeling where free will is maya, an illusion in this perfectly harmonized world in which we have created ourselves to be. We’re all part of a greater mind and behind all the different lenses we can choose to look at our world, there is an objective reality and I believe 666 represents this ‘true’ Reality.. then again I might have taken too many mind altering drugs and be seen as a messianic schizophrenic.

Who knows? I do. But I’m biased ;)

My name is equal to 666 on the Mysticalnet Web Gematria Server (http://www.mysticalinternet.com/gematria/lookup.php?system=hebrew&word=matthew+fry)
Second Coming of Christ on the Mysticalnet Web Gematria Server (http://www.mysticalinternet.com/gematria/lookup.php?system=enochian&word=matthew+fry)

I've started DJing! DJ G-Star is my chosen alias. Guess what brand I wear ;) lol. G-Star RAW DENIM... or read it backwards, G-Star MIND WAR.. Isn't our civilization crazy living the way we are? It's time for a change, time to go backwards maybe? Time to re-discover our connection with the universe like the ancients had done before us! Some people think I'm crazy, to them I say it's time to open your eyes, wake up! Look at our world and what we're doing to her, she's being raped! I say lets go crazy, for our 'sane' world is clearly not headed in the right direction....

I feel as though I'm channelling as an extension of that awesome Faithless track 'God is a DJ'.. I'm working with a universal energy to bring a much needed message to the world! We're entering a new age. Times are changing, we're entering an age of CO-creation where we will wake up to our true god-potential, we CAN create a new world! And with the will of God, we will!

This universal energy I believe could be described as the energy of Quetzalcoatl, the energy of the Christ. Alice A. Bailey wrote in her book 'The Reappearance of the Christ' that "other great Sons of God are channels of this energy in relation to the subhuman kingdoms, but the Christ holds a unique place in relation to humanity. To express the idea symbolically, this energy creates a living bridge from the human kingdom to the Kingdom of God, from the fourth kingdom in nature to the fifth. The Christ is the custodian of this energy, but only temporarily and for the period of this human crisis. He can, because of this, stimulate the responsive factor in the hearts of men, enabling them to recognize and know Him for Who and What he is, when He reappears."

In March I'm heading to Uni to study philosophy! To quote Daniel in his new book '2012, Year Of The Mayan Prophecy' where he talks of a "..hint of futurist philosopher DJ sampling old memes into new epistemes..".. BOO!..

It's not an idea, it's a reality!!!

And Daniel, I have not put your book down since I purchased it! I aspire to become a great writer like yourself, thank you!

The writer of this work is the vehicle of my arrival – my return – to this realm.

My belief is that there are many channels for this Great Work. I would guess as many as 144,000 ... only a guess though. As I understand it, there are many to whom 666 is an important number. Synchronicity led me to www.erinpavlina.com, a very gifted Psychic Medium whose believes her destiny is to help others "Remember where they came from". I recently read a blog post on her website that said she began to give readings on 6/6/2006, so I believe this number can act as a link in some manner.

666 is the number of the Beast.

Beast = Be a St. (?)


Let us all become saints and laugh along with this big cosmic giggle!

Daniel have you ever been to Boom Festival (http://www.boomfestival.org/afterboom06/index.html)?

[Isaiah Mpski]

Daniel's probably too busy to respond.A bitch in one arm,a cup of mead and a big doobie acting on the other side of his brain.
Worrying of course about adding another paod author of his team,which by now probably includes Wolf.

I will though answer to your question about 666.
We have put this down several times now.It is related to 13 26 52 sequence in reality and Mexican prophecy-whole world as it goes.

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6

666 is 1 short of ten,the all inclusive perfect Juan number.Thus it is imperfect in part.We all have a beastual part of us which either we sacrifice or it sacrifices us.
Add 6+6+6=18=1+8=9

[dogyear]

Daniel,

This is years after you posted, but let's not thing so temporally - shall we?
Based on what you wrote in 2004, as I am read it now, I suffer from the same constipation of the mind. I have years of dreams, of analysis, of visions, of creative thought, organized thought and real time experiences, and I've struggled to combine all of this in to a novel that I know to be of a prophetic nature. I am unable to properly transfer what lies in mind to a really awesome string of words.

I ramble, when I should tell you why I decided to post years after your first posting. Perhaps, we are thinking too big. Perhaps we need to consider that we are but a voice in a large, choir. A choir larger than we can sense, yet we can hear. Perhaps, we just focus on our own voice, our own single message which is to be part of the greater message - completed once all voices have been heard. I wish I knew it all. I wish I could put into words the connections I see between, well everything; yet, I cannot even comprehend what I see.

Focusing on one aspect. A smaller story, part of a greater story. What's the one story you feel you must tell?

A friend in need,

[suebee]

dogyear, thats poetic.

this is as good a place as ive found (im not much of an expert on blogs though) to mull over pieces of the puzzle.

[Isaiah Mpski]

I'll give you a piece to mull over.
Come up for me a Civil Complaint against the local DA,who is also the city Judge and lawyer for his family's bank and who assulted and threatened me in front of the bank.He also conspired against me and lied to the police officer who took the report.
I suppose you could involve the City of Checotah because when I went to the police office,the Chief wouldn't investigate my complaint immediately after the incident.
The next day,when I got another officer to take a report,the surveilance tapes were gone.I should add that the incident took place at the entrance to the bank and was witnessed by the bank guard and my wife.

Here is what happened.

I was walking toward the front door.Stidham was standing about 10-12 feet away talking to the guard.
I said,
"I guess I can say hello"
Stidham came toward me and in a loud voice said,
"You sorry sack of shit.Why did you sue me?I ought to kick your ass and have you thrown in jail.YOU THINK I CAN'T DO IT?YOU THINK I CAN't DO IT?


I was really taken off guard and really mentally hurt and stunned.I walked into the bank and got some money and on the way out told Stidham,who was still standing at the entrance,
"I'm sorry I said hello to you."


SB,Please,at least,if you can figure out how to copy my story and e-mail to me I would sure appreciate it.
My blood pressure goes up real high when I think about the incident still.

When we win this suit we can get Daniel a place in Mexico and build him a throne.

[nanouk]

Palm Sunday

This is the Festival of Ostara

This is Easter, the Coming of the King

It is a sensitive time for all

Islam, Judaism, Christianity, actually not Buddhism, nor Hinduism, but very much for Paganism.
Pan is not the Devil.

Equally, there is no one equal to Jesus in ANY Belief System, to this wonderful year of 2008...

no Goddess, no God...

"God's Kingdom is within You"

Hey, there are the 7 sins in less than one week!

Weigh your debt - Jesus witnessed people weighing gold in the Temple of Jerusalem...debts...taxes...

The Egyptians weighed feathers against the Heart...

Westerners weigh their belongings against the Burial Plot they can afford...

In New Guinea, locals give a band of Sea Shells a designated value...


The Kingdom of God...

What about His Mother?

Which is Her Queendom?

Children who have to pay to enter His Kingdom?

Judas, look into Your heart, what do You see?

Jesus is the best concept of a good human we will ever encounter...and no other Quatl will be able to repair the damage we have done...


Love and Respect,

~Nanouk~

[nanouk]

That doesn't mean we have to stop being the semi-supreme Earthly Creatures we Are!

:) :cool: :p

Love and Respect,

~N~

[Isaiah Mpski]

Oh Nanouk,
So good to see you around again.
So many others have left us- Wolf-Manning(who could always make sense of it all) but we've added others who have the potential to get the yellow submarine together if they would do what they are trained to do.

You have brightened my day.

I think I'm going to do what you and apparently Wolf have done.
Find some solice and truth within myself.

It has rained tremendously here today.Flooding.Didn't wash out all my plantings but am sure it made some washouts.