The Jar of Honey is Open! [Archive] - Breaking Open The Head

drew hempel

10-25-2006, 07:33 PM

I think some one posted his stuff on here before -- anyway I've perused it previously. Neil Slade -- it's a "catchy" website but his music is all western stuff.

It's more complicated and less powerful than the small universe.

But it's also more accessible since the philosophy isn't too eastern.

Yes it's true I can flex my pineal gland and my pituitary gland whenever I want (since Master Chuny Lin charged it full of energy back in 2001).

So my brain really does feel like this amazing bowl of honey -- blissful gooey fun charged with strong magnetic fields.

It's definitely a right-brain thing -- what Neil Slade says about the amygdala going backwards causing aggression -- that is too simplistic.

There's just a feedback so that the hormones from the adrenal glands turn into serotonin and vice versa.

When you sit in full-lotus it's creating the music ratios of two 3:4:5 triangles as the equilateral side of a tetrahedron. The full-lotus is a tetrahedron.

So that's why yoga IS music (non-western).

So Neil Slade's western music just doesn't do it (although it's a good start).

I came across a good book title if I wrote one:

"Not your standard 1-4-5 Progression: Music, magic, metaphysics and matriarchy" by drew hempel, anticopyright.

So the 1-4-5 progression is the most basic in music making up blues and punk and the 1-4-5 intervals are found IN ALL CULTURES.

But in western music the logarithmic-tuning turns off the alchemy by trying to "contain" infinity through Patriarchy. That's why the west is destroying Nature.

The "small universe" is the same 12 notes of the music scale based on the 1-4-5 intervals -- only Nonwestern tuning.

Get the C.D. from http://springforestqigong.com -- it's $15 (including shipping).

I'll get the exact site -- hold on.

https://ssl.blueearth.net/bornahealer/ecommerce/product.php?productid=16152&cat=250&page=1

OK -- so I just got that C.D. previously I had a tape that was getting old and the sound quality wasn't so good. Now I can play it louder (to cover up my crazy housemates and their dog too! haha).

This teacher Master Chunyi Lin heals people of all diseases -- he sat in a cave for 28 days straight taking no food and no water. He just sat in full-lotus.

This C.D. teaches the "small universe" which you can do just by sitting straight in a chair or even by lying down. It's just concentrating the mind on the 12 harmonic nodes along the outside of the body.

If you practice that enough the your brain will open up.

Master Lin really likes honey as well.

Agent Smith

10-25-2006, 08:19 PM

drew, did you even try the amygdala click, or did you read about it, and intellectualize it?

really, honestly, and truely, the 'brain click' isn't THE MOST POWERFUL THING IN THE UNIVERSE (said in the time bandits 'the most fabulous object in the universe' voice) but it's good. much better than you'd think if you hadn't tried it... and yes, ridiculously simple.

you know, after 15 years of messing around with this stuff (qi gong/nei gong) i find that the KISS principle really does apply. (the last 10 years in the same school, the last 6 as a closed door disciple of a master who values privacy---and lookit me shooting off my mouth)

to be truthful drew spring forest hasn't massively impressed me. i'm not going to write it off since i haven't looked into it all that closely, but nothing's JUMPED out and grabbed me so to speak.

the amygdala click isn't meant to replace any other practices, it's meant to be a quick easy enhancement of all other enjoyable aspects of your life.

small note, clicking back doesn't cause aggression, it connects the amygdala to the reptilian brain where ya get the easy access to the aggression fight or flight/territorial/ survival circuts.

glad you took the time to look over the sight though drew, try it out, you might just like it.

drew hempel

10-25-2006, 10:13 PM

It's about this time of night when my skull is exploding with bliss. I eat food to keep from leaving the body. "Have I ever tried"... More like Has IT tried me! We exist WITHIN consciousness! 11 to 1 is the strongest time.

Master Chunyi Lin does long distance healing -- across the pacific!

"brain clicking" isn't an intellectual thing -- it's a physiological transformation that's permanent. RESONANCE.

So right now I'm flexing my pineal gland. The current stage I'm in right now has most of the energy come up the right-brain vagus nerve but lately the middle body chakras (the center of the neck) is becoming stronger.

When Master Lin tried opening up my third eye 5 years ago he did so after he had left the room. I had been fasting for 8 days straight -- sitting in full-lotus the whole time -- so my energy was really strong. I had already developed telekinesis powers, telepathy, seen spirits, had no hunger for 8 days, and needed only 5 hours of sleep.

All that from FULL LOTUS -- which can not be faked!!

But when the middle of my brain began burning really hot -- in order to open up the pituitary gland -- I didn't realize what was going on.

Then the really strong electromagnetic fields began to make the room spin around me -- when I was sitting in full-lotus -- and when I was standing the fields could push me around if I let them. (I read later in Dr. Peter Kingsley's work that this is the beginning of true samadhi).

Not only that but, (this was 5 years ago) people around me were reacting strongly to electromagnetic fields (shooting out the center of my brain) even though the people were 5 feet away and had never exchanged any information with me about the topic.

I did some amazing healing (without touching anyone) and then I stopped practicing because it was too much too fast. My channels closed up but as I stated Master Lin shot energy into the center of my brain so that the 3rd eye remained half open.

Ever since 5 years ago I've read one book a day -- just to get a handle on what happened and to fend off the backlash by those who reject these things.

For example Magic James Randi attacked Master Lin before Magic Randi knew anything about Master Chunyi Lin who has even taught the Mayo Clinic Doctors!

Master Lin has healed many people of late-term cancer, or paralysis, of HIV positive, of deafness, on and on.

He does amazing, amazing work -- but then he goes deep into the emptiness-- he trusts the universe through meditation.

Jim Nance, Master Lin's assistant, had been a Kung Fu master in the U.S. in the 1960s -- he's a really big African American who then became a professional basketball player and lived in Turkey. He's a musician as well and has a masters degree in education.

I saw Jim Nance completely transform himself over a few years and now Jim Nance is a qigong master also -- the only African-American qigong master.

When Jim Nance was a Kung Fu Master it was just like Morpheus in the Matrix -- the fights were in slow-motion and Jim Nance saw the opponents' moves before they happened. Jim Nance would always win but afterwards he would be sobbing -- because he felt the pain just as much as his opponent!

A Chinese master came to NYC during this time -- in the 1960s -- and told Jim Nance to study "internal martial arts" or "qigong" -- but no one in the U.S. knew what it was at that time.

Jim Nance has had some amazing experiences in Africa as well -- he studied with the Dogon for several months and he went to Egypt.

No one can fake the full-lotus -- that's how to tell a real master.

http://springforestqigong.com

drew hempel

10-25-2006, 10:19 PM

Check this out! Her story was investigated by a t.v. reporter -- who then quit his job and began working for Master Lin!! haha.

“I thank God every day for Master Lin. He gave me a whole quality of life and I think that’s what we all want.”

Esther Trejo
St. Paul, MN
Lung Disease

I have what they call viliar protinosis. What happens is protein builds up in the air sacks in your lungs. Once that protein builds up it’s like sand. Of course, when your air sacks are filled up with sand that’s going to cause you a lot of problems like not being able to breathe, gasping for air.

I was diagnosed with this disease 17 years ago and went on oxygen 24 hours a day. Everywhere I went I was attached to an oxygen canister that I would roll around on wheels. It was so bad that sometimes I didn’t think I would make it just for the short time it took to change from one canister to the next.

The doctors told me the only way I was ever going to get off oxygen was to have a lung transplant. I had been to the Mayo Clinic and they told me that and my St. Paul lung doctor also told me the same thing. I really did not want to go that route. I did not feel it was right that someone else would have to die so I could get their lungs so I could live. I just had trouble handling that concept of a lung transplant.

I was on oxygen 24 hours a day from November of 1986 until March of 1993. I have not had a lung transplant and yet I am no longer on oxygen. The reason is that I met Chunyi Lin.

He was teaching at class at night at a local high school on something called Qigong. My son, Ralph, found out about Mr. Lin’s class and told me I should go. My son said he believed Mr. Lin could help me. I did not believe he could and I did not want to go. I just thought there’s no way that’s gonna help. No way. My son wouldn’t stop insisting and I was almost dragged kicking and screaming to the first class.

I didn’t want to be there and I just sat and glared at Mr. Lin the whole time. But, there was something so gentle and loving about him I decided to go back the next week. I went to the class every week and learned to do his exercises. I started feeling better and just kept getting better and better.

I guess it was the fifth or sixth week of class I walked in without using the oxygen. For awhile I kept carrying it as a safety precaution so I had it with me. So, I go to class, I’m the first one there. And as everybody filed in they kept saying, “Esther, where’s your oxygen?!” No one could believe it and Master Lin walks in and he looks at me and everybody was so happy. They were just in awe. They just couldn’t believe it. Everybody was just ecstatic. It was a miracle!

By the last week of class I walked in without oxygen at all. It was the first time I had been off the oxygen for more than six years. I’ve been off ever since. Every year now I celebrate on March 22nd my Freedom from Oxygen Day. My doctor just couldn’t figure it out.

I mean I thank God that there was oxygen for me to survive all those years while I was on it, but I was only surviving. I was alive but I wasn’t living.

I thank God every day for Master Lin. He gave me a whole quality of life and I think that’s what we all want. I continued to study with Master Lin and have gone through Level III of Spring Forest Qigong. And, I’ve been able to help several of my friends with health problems using what Master Lin has taught me. I have three triplet grandchildren. They’re almost six years old now and I know without Master Lin I probably wouldn’t have lived to see them.

Knowing him has changed my life in so many ways. I’m also a different person because of what I’ve learned from him. To put it bluntly, I used to be a real judgmental, crabby S.O.B. but because of Spring Forest Qigong I’m not any more. I have a lot of love and understanding of the world and of people and for that I’m very thankful and Master Lin is the reason why.

Master Lin was here at my house for Christmas and my little grandson, one of the triplets, said to him as he was leaving, ‘Are you Jesus?’

We all got a big chuckle out of that. Well, I don’t think he’s Jesus, of course, but he is Jesus’ helper. Certainly, he’s here on earth to help us.

drew hempel

10-25-2006, 10:30 PM

Here's another amazing testimony:

“If you asked me where I'd be without the Spring Forest Qigong, I probably wouldn’t be here. If I was here, I probably wouldn't be able to work. Couldn't do all the things I do now, that's for sure. That Qigong has really been the ticket I think.”

Tom Gow
Two Harbors, MN
Bone Marrow Disease

I was diagnosed with aplastic anemia and myelodisplasia in December of 1998. I tried many different treatments and my doctor recommended a bone marrow transplant. We held many bone marrow drives up here but I didn’t find a suitable donor. Out of 500 who were tested, only my brother and half-sister were a half-match, but that’s only a forty-percent chance of success.

I’m a letter carrier and have been for 17 years. I walk five miles a day on my route and when I was first diagnosed I didn’t go back to my route for six months. Then when I did go back to work by the time I got home I was pretty pooped. It was on to the couch I’d go.

I got home that night after driving down there and back, about a five hour drive, and I worked in the barn until about 11 o’clock. And, I’ve been pretty much having a lot of energy since then. That wouldn’t have been possible before. My oncologist is surprised I’m still doing my route. In fact, my oncologist is so impressed he’s sent patients to see Chunyi. And, since doing the Qigong, I don’t hit the couch anymore. It’s just go, go, go.

I keep a pretty heavy schedule here. I’m a very active 4-H leader still. I’ve got 34 kids this year. I’m saddle club president and a union officer in our union and a union steward and a County Fair board member. In the winter, I coach basketball.

I’ve taken all the Spring Forest Qigong levels now and I try to get at least a half hour of the meditations or exercises in each day. With the Qigong I’ve found I can power up when I have to.
I do healings up here too now and I have a pretty steady clientele. I don’t charge anything and I have a pretty good success rate. People keep coming to see me. Everything from fibromyalgia to stroke, bad backs, that’s pretty common, people with a lot of stress. I’d say about 97-precent of them get relief for anywhere from three days to three months.
I even give my horses treatments before they go out to run and it makes a difference.

I just recently got back from seeing my bone marrow doctor and he can’t believe how well I’m doing. In fact, he can’t believe I’m still alive. Ninety-percent of the patients who have the same thing I do, who have damage to the same chromosome I do, die within the first year. My bone marrow doctor has never had a patient who survived longer than three years, except for me. It’s been more than four years for me and I’m still going strong.

If you ask me where I’d be without the Spring Forest Qigong, I probably wouldn’t be here. If I was here, I probably wouldn’t be able to work. Couldn’t do all the things I do now, that’s for sure. That Qigong has really been the ticket I think.

Qigong has allowed me to maintain a very high quality of life physically, mentally and spiritually. I always look forward to seeing Chunyi. He charges my batteries up like the energizer bunny.
For people who doubt it I just say try it. You’ve got nothing to lose.

Agent Smith

10-25-2006, 10:50 PM

well, i'm glad you're having a great time drew.

i disagree with you about the full lotus, or anyone being the only 'this or that'... but honestly, if you're enjoying your practices who cares?

it's cool that we're talking about 'psychedelic brain experiences' induced through means other than blotter papers, or cactus brews isn't it?

drew hempel

10-25-2006, 11:05 PM

OK as I stated I've read one book A DAY for the last five years. I can tell you that people in the West are deluded, arrogant, stupid. And that includes the Daily Grail, Strange Attractor, Disinfo.com, etc. Have any of them read Master Nan, Huai-chin? I don't think so! I had to read each of his books 3 times. Now what's the standard racist response? Oh -- another Eastern spiritual teacher? Done that!

ha! Now what's the brain clicking method? Simple? then why haven't you just said what it is already.

Full-lotus is self-explanatory. Small universe? 1) stomach 2) bladder 3) bottom of torso 4) tip of tailbone 5) small of back 6) kidney area 7) top of back at spinal cord 8) base of head 9) top of head 10) middle of forehead 11) neck 12) heart.

1) start over -- just sit straight, quiet room, focus mind on 1) and slowly cycle to 12 and then continue as long as you want.

Experiences are described in Mantak Chia's very first book.

Mantak Chia DOES NOT teach the full-lotus.

Mantak Chia also does not connect the small universe (aka the microcosmic orbit) to music ratios.

Michael Winn DOES (in 2003 -- after I did). Michael Winn had left Mantak Chia and emphasizes this music connection -- AS UNIVERSAL TRUTH.

drugs is guided by music. As is trance dance of course.

Yin is 3:4 Yang is 2:3.

Perfect 4th and Perfect 5th.

Transcultural spiritual truth.

Nothing to be impressed by except your feet on your thighs making a Tetrahedron which is 4 equilateral triangles --each made of two 3:4:5 triangles -- the Perfect 4th 3:4 and the Major 3rd 5:4.

Agent Smith

10-25-2006, 11:54 PM

drew hempel

10-26-2006, 12:26 AM

Oh I do -- you're repeated references to clicking the amgydala forced me to check if an email I had just sent to Harvard Professor Marc Hauser had gotten through. Turns it I had sent him a "blank" email -- but thanks to "your" help (!!) I just sent him the below link -- giving my detailed analysis of the issue over a year ago (vis a vis Hauser's new book, just reviewed by Richard Rorty). Hauser already thanked me for giving him the reference to my masters thesis, now let's see if he follows up with the below research.

http://www.gnn.tv/threads/6105/Tonal_Languages_and_Schizophrenia

Caprinardo Delirio

10-26-2006, 06:05 AM

quickly drew, do you believe that the particular western music tuning (the particular placing of a notes root requency or the interval of notes) causes a kind of psychotic wind-up?

drew hempel

10-26-2006, 03:12 PM

Yeah sure! http://drewhempel.gnn.tv for all the details!

Caprinardo Delirio

10-26-2006, 06:33 PM

ok but, so what about the apparant physiological pleasings that comes to most westerners who listen to western music? it carries and adjusts disconnectiveness on a lower and subtler level than on that surface-of-the-mind which seems connecting and in a 'moment' where the occult force underneath travels the chronology of your life and attaches, however contradictory to all apparant pleasure that which music brings to the organs, a memory/gestalt/trauma/sentence/meme/something which was makes wrong appear right and can be sufficiently blamed for.. what, all kinds of psychopathology? the spell of all materialist naivete? bad television? the death of birth?

sire_012

10-27-2006, 07:56 AM

so umm, anybody got any (ahem) non-proprietary techniques for popping et al?

Agent Smith

10-27-2006, 09:19 AM

locate amygdala on decent anatomy charts (looking at more than one can be helpful). "imagine" you can feel them being gently teased forward. POP!!! learn more about the brain, repeat.

slade has a number of books, and tapes, and such about the technique, but that's it dude.

read through his site for more info, but it boils down to that.

you can imagine them being tickled with a feather.

i use the sensation of them being ball bearings that are spinning, at ever increasing speed, being magnetically drawn forward... at a certain point i imagine them spinning so fast that they begin attracting sparks of energy, flying inward, and begin to become balls of plasma/ball lightening, that grow in size, and intesity, until they SHOOT forward, and POP!

hope that's helpful.

it gets really easy once you do it.

sire_012

10-27-2006, 02:32 PM

cool, i'll try them tonight with my sound/light machine.

just out of curiosity how long were you on it before you felt some success?

drew hempel

10-27-2006, 04:41 PM

western music is NOSTALGIA -- that's it! It ain't jack shit!

This whole amgdyala "brain popping" is the weakness shit I ever head.

All the west New Age stuff is just "visualization" -- just imagine it and it will work!

Wow thanks for the "secret"!!

Now -- real specifically there are 12 harmonic nodes along the outside of the body -- I already listed them!

The more you practice the more your hormones will turn into electromagnetic fields.

Then guess what? Your WHOLE BRAIN BE POPPING and TURNING INTO HONEY LIGHT!!

I have a "V" on my forehead from the bone cracking!! That's how much the jar of honey is open!!

Agent Smith

10-27-2006, 06:57 PM

gosh drew, it must hurt something bad to have all the answers, and no one willing to listen to you.

so painful, and wounded.

it's okay drew, we believe you, honest we do...

...aaaaaanyway Sire- it took me about a week of mild practice to get the hang of it. results varried between intense inner eye visuals, "profound" insights, third eye activation, altered perception, increased enjoyment of life, and mental journeying.

once again, not the most profound tech. i've used, but nice, and simple, and to the point.

didn't turn me into a raving amygdala evangelist either.

:skeptic:

Caprinardo Delirio

10-28-2006, 06:24 PM

drew, i challange you to take a dedicated dose of acid and sit though an autechre record, confield maybe, and come back and say it's nostalgia!

and, are we really meant to go anywhere, drew? singing your body eletric and turning your head into honey... what does it get you, really?

drew hempel

10-29-2006, 01:48 AM

It fucking heals you of everything and gives you permanent bliss. http://springforestqigong.com

Synthetic acid gives you brain cancer.

Now here's how your "amgdyala" visualization exercise REALLY works!

http://www.hummingbird-one.co.uk/humanbeing/artery1.html

Agent Smith

10-29-2006, 03:42 AM

when it heal hubris i'll be impressed. :rolleyes:

gandydancer

10-29-2006, 04:15 AM

there is nothing you can say to change Drew's mind - he is bona fide nuts.

just like the president of the United States. watch a press conference if you don't understand the concept.

Caprinardo Delirio

10-29-2006, 01:57 PM

i think bush and drew are pretty equal as vectors for spreading chaos and confusion..

i still think that western music has qualities of wonder and imagination and just sheer effectiveness, that no gamelan or raga or drummed-up ecstasy-techniqued tribal-extravaganza could ever hope to achieve.. but i don't think we're all insane either, and that we're much more complex and interesting beings than most non-westerns, and yes i do know this is a fuck-i-just-ate-soap level of dumbness...

drew hempel

10-29-2006, 02:34 PM

Yes well Nixon was the first to rely on the Mad Man Principle as an overt policy for global domination. No one messes with the maniac. Clinton reinstated the Mad Man Policy, again, as a conscious decision -- feign madness to the extent that you don't get locked up: it keeps everyone in a position of weakness.

Bush has made the Mad Man Principle a pure artform with spin-off industries.

Schizophrenia is now defined as an inability to use language correctly while hearing at least one other voice in your head, besides your own. That fits Bush to a tee -- he should be in a Psych Ward.

But then Western Civilization is based on a "bait and switch" tactic whereby the definition of infinity is replaced by incommensurable dimensions of devices.

Machines are not infinity. Machine language is not the truth.

Roll On!

Isaiah Mpski

10-29-2006, 03:02 PM

The Clinton administration was filled with wesson oil and shitasses like you,you European and New York ticks.Counting on America to see you through again.Except for my brothers in Spain and Germany,quit bothering Gott mitt Uns.

Isaiah Mpski

10-29-2006, 03:04 PM

Sorry Drew.Last post was not directed at you.Lord Cap and the Smith bros have just about got my goat.
Pray for a hell of a winter.

nyk

10-30-2006, 03:07 PM

I recently stumbled upon Martin Prechtel and found his writing provocative.
His approach is more organic than heady. I will be on the lookout for more
of his stuff.

Humming

10-31-2006, 09:14 PM

drew, i am impressed with your knowledge but i agree with agent smith--there is no one teacher or "master" who holds the key to reality. reality is infinite, right? there are many paths, although it may sometimes appear that one path is the "correct" one, it is only the "correct" one based on a set of circumstances that could and will change at any time.

that said... i am FASCINATED with Qigong and specifically the discussion about MUSIC being integral to reality, the body, and healing. on my personal voyage of discovery i have found that music is one of the most powerful forces that exists. this is because music is a vibrational tone that can enter and interact with your physical body, and all of the wave/space around it.

one of my friends in california went to a Quigong workshop. i really really wanted to go but i had some obligations to attend to... he said that part of the practice involves "celestial language" or what is also known as glosollalia.

i've written some on this board about my experiences with glosolallia. i am not exaggerating when i say that a good glosolallia session is better than most sex. this experience is like combining sex and music and pure spiritual ecstasy.

drew, does your teacher do something like this, "celestial language" or "glosolallia" or whatever you want to call it?

can you describe in more detail how your practice of Quigong relates to the musical understanding of vibrational reality?

Agent Smith

10-31-2006, 09:40 PM

oh don't get me wrong Humming, so teachers are better than others.

drew is miffed at me because i don't find his qi gong to be anything, particularly earthshattering, and dared compare his discription of his experience to another fun little practice.

you will forgive my presumption. i am only a lowly instructor of qi gong, with a mere decade of experience, several years of 8 hours of daily practice to judge these things by. all of which, doesn't add up to much. i've eased up on the 'shaolin vs. ninja madness', but i do like to have my fun.

incidently Humming, i've gotten some of my best results with the amygdala clicking when combining it with toning/throat singing, which can be glossolia-esque.

for anyone newly interested in energy work such as qi gong, i will whole heartedly endorse Robet Bruce's New Energy Ways astraldynamics.com/ although he isn't coming from an asian flavored perspective, the quick easy system he's offering easily jives with everything i've learned up to this point. good stuff if you'll give it a try, especially for beginners. wish i'd had something so concise starting out. you can worry about Lu Dongbin, and Chaung Tzu later. once again i thank BS for giving us that link.

Isaiah Mpski

11-01-2006, 05:52 AM

Isaiah Mpski

11-01-2006, 06:01 AM

Forgive me Smith.I just tuned in through the lightbulb and learned that you can play an instrument.
Have you googled pictures of Quanah Parker?
The asians are going to be crying out to know what happened to their ancestors over here.
Oh.And don't think Quanah's only wives and other encounters are pictured in Google.
Some cowboy took Quanah on a tour of Europe and he knocked several of the European Royalty before they quickly sent him home.
Talk about a black cat.You do believe that Indians are Black?

nyk

11-01-2006, 06:52 AM

for anyone newly interested in energy work such as qi gong, i will whole heartedly endorse Robet Bruce's New Energy Ways astraldynamics.com/ although he isn't coming from an asian flavored perspective, the quick easy system he's offering easily jives with everything i've learned up to this point. good stuff if you'll give it a try, especially for beginners. wish i'd had something so concise starting out. you can worry about Lu Dongbin, and Chaung Tzu later. once again i thank BS for giving us that link.

[from astraldynamics...]
Essentially, NEW is a tactile system (based on the sense of touch and 'feel') that utilizes focused body awareness actions to move energy through your body.

In practice, when one's attention is focused in a specific part of one's body, that part becomes energetically stimulated. When this focus of body awareness is given motion-meaning, when one focuses on a specific body part and then moves that focus through the body-the underlying energy body structures of that area are directly stimulated. This body awareness movement causes energy body stimulation and development.

Now this is something useful.

nyk

11-01-2006, 08:16 AM

No Smith,Drew is mad at you because you've never gotten an instrument and tried to appreciate the creation of harmonic tonal balance,which is a quick way to transcend many levels and feel the vibes of creation.Ravi forever along with some Crosby,Stills ,Nash.and Jung.As well as Police and that little Irishman Phil Collins and Genesis.
It is similar to what Van Gogh and perhaps Hemingway experiewnced.

Consider this....

http://www8.ocn.ne.jp/~thisis/touch_the_sound_omote.jpg

TOUCH THE SOUND takes us on a remarkable journey with Evelyn Glennie, one of the world's foremost musicians, a Grammy-winning classical percussionist whose solo work is unrivalled. She is also deaf.
This is her story. Supported by her caring father, Evelyn overcame considerable obstacles to become an extraordinary success. Through her, sound is palpable and rhythm is the basis of everything. Without vibration, there is nothing. From silence to music, from hearing to seeing and to feeling, sound is felt through every sense in our body.
Cinematographer and director Thomas Riedelsheimer (director of the award-winning box office success RIVERS AND TIDES) demonstrates his knack for maping a world of senses, of colourful images and evocative sounds of Japan, England, California and New York. Hearing images, seeing sound. We see, hear and truly feel the beat of the universe. We are transformed.
Hearing is a form of touch, she says – and that’s what it’s about. To listen and to let yourself be touched. The film deliberately avoids what makes up Evelyn’s musical everyday life: her concerts and performances with the biggest orchestras of the world. Instead, journeys of sound occur – to places foreign or familiar. And through the small, improvised sessions with other musicians from around the globe.
The filming itself lasted an entire year. Add another year for post-production. And because of this time, I hear differently – simply by being more aware. I believe that sounds and rhythm essentially influence our surroundings, our moods and our quality of life. Consciously hearing is as important as an appreciation of seeing, or eating. In this sense: Enjoy your meal!
Thomas Riedelsheimer

http://www.skyline.uk.com/touchthesound/index.html (http://www.skyline.uk.com/touchthesound/index.html)

Isaiah Mpski

11-01-2006, 09:44 AM

Yeah I've always enjoyed some good Scotch.
Sorry don't have the equipment to download.Always welcome at our place here in Indian Territory.

drew hempel

11-01-2006, 11:21 AM

The secret is to listen to the highest frequencies possible and this creates a huge increase in INTENSITY -- this is from the Photoelectric Effect that Einstein solved.

The subharmonics of frequency create an increase in amplitude -- this is why when you slow down your brainwaves -- go into the REM-theta state -- you heal the body.

But when you listen to those really high background noises embedded in silence then immense INTENSITY is created. Intensity is measured by statistics while amplitude is measured by logarithms -- this is the philosophical breakdown between relativity and quantum mechanics.

The skill of the teacher is whole long they can sit in full-lotus. One does not worship a "teacher" but the principles that the teacher embodies.

The principles are called "sound-current" based on resonance of yin and yang as 1:2:3:4.

nyk

11-01-2006, 04:41 PM

The secret is to listen to the highest frequencies possible and this creates a huge increase in INTENSITY...

And also, the 'lowest'.

drew hempel

11-01-2006, 04:45 PM

See the photoelectric effect was solved by realizing that the HIGHER the frequency the GREATER the intensity. Hence the higher the frequency. Now the SUBHARMONIC of frequency creates an increase in amplitude.

There's a fundamental disconnect between amplitude and frequency in western science --- even those concepts are messed up -- here's why:

The Natural Resonance Revolution: Sound-current nondualism.

Tons of books exist on natural resonance in science and esoteric studies. University of Texas physics professor Joseph McCauley has noted that resonance is "not mathematizable." This means that while many philosophers of science recognize resonance -- and even music! -- as one of the most important models for reality (Arnold Pacey, Brian Josephson, Alain Connes, Barabasi, Kepler, etc.) there is still a perplexing mystery about resonance.

The phenomenon of resonance is at the heart of magic -- the fat lady sings and 20 feet away a glass shatters -- action-at-a-distance. In science action-at-a-distance violates "locality" so it's replaced by fields within fields within fields.

But always the particle-field duality crops up -- why? Because science itself is founded on a grand lie. We are taught that the first logical axiom, making up the basis of Euclid, is the Pythagorean Theorem but in fact this theorem was not created by Pythagoreans. Incommensurability supposedly was not understood by Pythagoreans -- the irrational number was supposedly a great shock to the Pythagoreans. In fact this is not true at all. Dr. Peter Kingsley' 1996 Oxford U Press book "Ancient Mystery, Magic and Philosophy" details how Plato and Aristotle consciously lied about the Pythagoreans, in order to justify the creation of Western rational science.

But the problem is much deeper. In 2000 Cambridge University Press published "Birth of the Gods and the Origins of Agriculture" detailing how a "symbolic revolution" came before plow-based farming and then led to plow-based farming. What was the revolution? Anthropocentric art became firmly established for the first time. Pythagoras, in contrast, represents the last vestiges of the matrilineal shamanic tradition before the establishment of Western science. Pythagoras taught that One is not a number! Ponder that! Number for Pythagoras was "asymmetrical" so that 2:3=3:4!!

Most scientists would consider this idiotic babbling but actually the latest in number theory -- the attempts to solve the Riemann Hypothesis which predicts "the table of elements" of number, the prime numbers -- argues that the Harmonic Series leads to the creation of "asymmetric time reversal" -- see the book "Stalking the Riemann Hypothesis" (2005).

So with the "symbolic revolution" of 10,000 BCE Man fell from the Garden of Eden so to speak because "symbols" became confused with "reality" -- formless awareness found by listening to silence - by natural resonance!! Ideograms still retain a shamanic sense of unified awarness with consciousness beyond spacetime but in Sumerian language the letter "A" is an upside down's Bull Head! This is the true origin of "I am the Alpha and Omega." -- God comes from the Indo-European word: "GOTT." Brahman means God in Vedic philosophy but Brahamn also means Bull. By the way even Karen Armstrong doesn't give the etymology of the word "god" in her book "The History of God."! Talk about sloppy scholarship!

Anthropologists argue that with the domestication of cattle came the first subjugation of women and so "God" became the Bull, as controlled by man. But this power was established through sacred geometry -- specifically the new "rectilinear" farming established right after the "symbolic revolution" of 10,000 BCE. Along with the rectilinear plow-based farming came the destruction of all circular housing and circular housing was the means to resonate the Eternal Feminine or formless awareness beyond spacetime.

With the establishment of war-mongering, plow-based farming came the new importance of iron-forging and blacksmiths were separated as an outcaste of powerful magicians using sacred geometry alchemy. So the oven to forge the iron was also the spiritual womb of the stomach of the blacksmith, enabling shape-shifting powers, including turning into a crocodile. The crocodile was sent to attack other village-states, in the most powerful shaman rituals of the early Chieftain powers. Tantric rituals, based on natural resonance, was central to passing on the shamanic powers of blacksmiths into other castes of statecraft. Soon priests developed that used phonetic language to record the power of natural resonance into formulas for geometric construction.

UC-Berkeley math professor Abraham Seidenberg documents the first use of the Pythagorean Theorem in 3000 BCE in Brahmin ritual sacrifice altar construction -- from attempts to "square the circle." Seidenberg also argued that this ritual was part of a secret organization that promoted the "separation of heaven and earth" through mass ritual sacrifice in order to maintain civilization through illumination or Freemasonry. In Freemasonry Heaven is the mind and Earth is the sexual energy. God, the Demiurge, keeps Heaven and Earth separated -- just as God keeps the Tree of Life (sexual energy) separated from the Tree of Knowledge. This way the masses are kept ignorant of their secret natural resonance power (the kundalini snake) and the masses can be used for ritual sacrifice.

Previously to the origin of the Gods through Freemasonry was the matrilineal lineage of natural resonance animism. The Koi-San cultures of Africa are the oldest representatives of this practice -- whereby EVERYONE became a shaman (not just the Freemasonic secret leaders) and this was done through tantric alchemy. The Koi-san cultures relied on hunter-gathering and for 3 days and nights before each hunt the man has no contact with the female. This allows the electromagnetic power in the man's blood-iron to work as a harmonic oscillator, feeding off the man's electrochemical energy, the sexual hormones, in order to create electromagnetic fields that then attract the game for hunting. Then the game is given to the females and then an all night trance dance occurs, once a week, with the females singing and the males dancing around a fire. This causes immense heat in the bellies to convert the hormones and energy from the meat into electromagnetic fields and into astral light information. The men then go into healing trances and see light spirits blocking the energy in others so the man's power is transferred to others so that spirits are cast out.

By the age of 40 every man in the Koi-San culture was expected to be a healer and this was common to all hunter-gatherer cultures throughout the world, forcing one German anthropologist of the 1930's to coin the term "democratic shamanism."

And so modern humans have lost their natural proclivity to communicate with the consciousness beyond spacetime because we interact with the opposite gender more than once every 3 days! Absurd but true! Sexual energy is the key to creating natural magic. The women in the Koi-san cultures sometimes used drugs to help induce a trance state but the later shamans were beyond any drugs. For example the teacher of Ram Dass took tons of acid and was not effected in the least! That single episode converted Ram Dass to being a life long follower -- yet even Ram Dass did not learn the secrets of natural resonance.

The full-lotus yoga position turns the body into a natural resonance harmonic oscillator because sound is pressure which is anti-gravity. So put great pressure on the thighs and this converts the sexual hormones into heat and into electromagnetic fields. Finally the pineal and pituitary glands are permanently opened so that the brain directly creates the same light seen with the eyes open.

But, of course, most people can not sit in the full-lotus, so the "small universe" is the easiest practice. There are 12 harmonic nodes along the outside of the body -- 1) the stomach, 2) the bladder 3) the bottom of the torso 4) tip of the tailbone 5) bottom or small of the back 6) kidney area 7) spinal cord at neck 8) base of head 9) top of head 10) third eye -- middle of forehead 11) neck 12) heart. Sit straight, focus the mind on point 1 and bring energy into that point. Cycle around the points to 12 and then start over -- keep cycling. The body's channels will open up through heat and electromagnetic fields and light -- so that eventually you can sit in full-lotus.

Isaiah Mpski

11-01-2006, 05:07 PM

Great reading Drew.Im 60 now and that full lotus sounds healing to me but it will take a much younger wife to get me in that direction again.
Please Drew.Always grace us with your posts here.

craazyman

11-01-2006, 07:31 PM

Drew, you're making sense. Think of all the marriages that could be saved if they got away from each other for three days while the guys go out and hunt. And I'd say, let's not allow cell phone calls from the campfire just to see how she's doing. Let's maintain a strict discipline. Right now it's 24-7 open lines, email from work at the office and then then they have to go over every petty little detail of the entire day during dinner at the restaurant eating food raised with chemicals on some corporate farm somewhere--I would say Holy Cow, thinking of this, but I guess that's where the problem started. This is the advantage of a Russian wife, especially one that can't speak English. It reduces the idle chatter and focuses things on nature, where they belong.

Yes Isaiah, if Quezequatal returned to Mexico now the Mexican army would open fire and then the drug lords would take over once the Army ran out of ammo. Is there a worse candidate for national office than John Kerry? I'm beginning to believe now that he's a conspirator in the Skull & Bones thing, with reptilians running the show behind the scenes. Right when the democrats seemed to just about have things in line, there he goes . . .

Caprinardo Delirio

11-01-2006, 08:17 PM

great post drew, really!

sound-currents and such, i play in a band called 1234.. maybe we should put colons in between the numbers?!

drew hempel

11-02-2006, 05:01 PM

OK see 1:2:3:4 means NON-western music because 1:2:3:4 is asymmetrical resonance with 2:3 as Yang and 3:4 as Yin.

See Western music is based on the cycle of fifths with a Perfect 5th as 2:3 but in fact the Law of Pythagoras (which is true!) states that sound creates an

INFINITE SPIRAL of FIFTHS -- with 2:3 turning into the Perfect 4th as 3:4.

So the problem is that "infinite spiral" puts you into the 4th dimension of space as formless awareness -- the same as the Snake Eating it's own tail -- the Ouroborus and the Klein Bottle -- it's IMPOSSIBLE TO VISUALIZE.

Humanoids -- Hominids -- used to be living in trees and relied on SOUND more than vision with brain symmetry resulting.

Humans split from Orangutans about 20 million years ago and look at orangutans -- peaceful, solitary males.

Orangutans are humans closest primate relatives (despite what mainstream science states -- because science promotes an imperial political view). Just read Professor Jeffrey Schwartz' book "The Red Ape."

Now -- back to sound -- it's the "seashells" of the cerebellum.

the inner ear makes a golden ratio -- and science even today can not model how the inner ear works!

Why? Because of the "time-frequency uncertainty principle" in quantum chaos.

So frequency, amplitude and intensity all cross each other out.

Intensity though directly changes mass -- so it's a more powerful measurement.

Regardless the key to all of this is WAVEFORM -- the "tai-chi" symbol as the Tetrad 1:2:3:4.

So if you play NON-western music then you can use the colons.

Otherwise it's a no go.

http://springforestqigong.com

nyk

11-02-2006, 06:45 PM

Well, let's see.

No lotus. I'm a western musician. And I am as ugly as an orangutan.

No jar of honey for me.

But at least I don't have the conundrum of of 'formless awareness' to
contend with!

Caprinardo Delirio

11-02-2006, 07:30 PM

but irregular or regular resonance frequencies are totally irrelevant for any music listening experience.

unless you put some fundamentalist symbolism into it's becoming.

and you only do that, if you're trying to understand or read what is obvious to the NON-sick mind.

and that is a matter of a whole lot of things much more deterniting that soundwaves, yes.

Caprinardo Delirio

11-02-2006, 07:31 PM

sorry, drew.

you're the most western of your definition of westerners, ever ever.

drew hempel

11-02-2006, 08:27 PM

This isn't an issue of being "impressed" -- you're not in a mall. This is basic math. Western music is defined by the chromatic scale of 12 notes as 12 times the square root of two -- the logarithmic scale.

Non-western music is considered simplistic because it often uses single-note harmony -- but in fact it's MORE sophisticated because the whole point is to create resonance BEYOND sound -- ultrasonics and then electrochemical resonance and then electromagnetic resonance then bending spacetime to the empty awareness.

The easiest way is through logic. Repeat I-I-I- over and over, as an investigation to see the source of the I-thought.

It's really the One as I am that I am -- the definition of God.

So AM is really 2:3:4 as a vortex to "that" -- the formless awareness.

All this was lost with God "closing off" the circle of Tao -- to square it for left-brain axiomatic-based technology.

Or as a mantra just repeat OM Mani Padme Hum and it's the same as Tesla's alternating current -- shift the phase 90 degrees with each change of symbol.

The idea is to experience great joy and beauty -- beyond form!

nyk

11-02-2006, 09:18 PM

Here is a song - western - that will do as much for you as any song
can do.

It's called 'Men in Prison' by Jackie Leven. An appropriate title considering
where all of us are. This is only a 30 second clip, so it will not do the
trick. And the fade/deconstruction at the end of this song is the clencher.
Played in my car, this song resonates thru the entire assembly and up
into my feet, as well as my hands on the steering wheel. You could call
this a celtic actualization of yugen.

http://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Songs-Dying-West/dp/B00000020A/sr=1-3/qid=1162534554/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/103-1720773-8916616?ie=UTF8&s=music

[song #8 on The Forbidden Songs of the Dying West]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00000020A.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1115279368_.jpg

drew hempel

11-02-2006, 09:45 PM

Yeah well I'm not capable to hear it right now -- but will chime in once able. Thanks.

But that probably hooks up with what's been proven about Celtic and indigenous drumming music.

See the drum head resonates at the same frequency as the Theta REM waves -- 15 Hz.

So entrainment kicks in plus the beat is usually 60 times a minute -- which resonates with the PITCH of the Theta frequency -- a multiple of 60.

So that's the whole "amplitude" subharmonic thing you were emphasizing instead of the "intensity" high frequency thing I was pointing out. You need for quiet for that -- tuning into those high background sussurrus -- whispers!

Rock on. Here's what I listen to for nonWestern music:

Japanese shakuhachi flute music. Temiar dream healing music (tribe in Malaysia). Sufi singing. Berber drumming (close to Celtic). African drumming. Traditional Chinese. Gamelan. Raga. Traditional Native American. Tuvan throat singing with animal charms.

Most of the "world" or "global" music today relies on western tuning but those above examples do not.

Even though I listen to western music I get a good once a week dose of about 6 hours of straight non-western music.

drew hempel

11-02-2006, 11:04 PM

Of course the segway to all of this is JAZZ -- look at John Coltrane. His final development in music (and no one can question he mastering of music) was YOGA.

Coltrane was just getting into yoga --- so go with it!

nyk

11-03-2006, 06:49 AM

Thanks for the info Drew.

I have a new approach (for myself) to music now. I do compose/play my
own, but beyond that, rather than buying and playing albums by others,
I leave my exposure to random encounter....whatever is piped into the
coffee shop or comes out of a passing car or a band playing on a side-
walk...that sort of thing. And since there are a lot of world-music types
in my community, the exposure is diverse and provocative.

Caprinardo Delirio

11-03-2006, 07:51 AM

john was getting into druuugs, maan... it was his wife that was all about the yoga. she had an ashram for many years.

no, i do see what you mean.. and i do love a very great deal of sufi, gamelan, raga's and all that stuff too.. but dismissing western music on account of some mathmatical unevenness in it's 12-note harmonic structure or whatever the problem really is, dosen't do anything to the fact of the music itself.

but i guess i could put it in a queation then: do you think that some 16 years old girl lying on her couch in complete ecstasy over some band or soloist, all western bread and buttering, is actually deluding herself or worse still, retreating into some occult psychosis?

that's what you're saying, i believe.. and that's just stupid!

drew hempel

11-03-2006, 03:35 PM

That's a funny question! Yeah well the role of spiritual music is originally to enter a trance state for healing -- you create ELECTROMAGNETIC fields.

So that's just completely unknown these days for the most part.

But then music became largely religious -- that's to sublimate the sexual energy -- I'm in a Somalian mall right now on Holy day -- lots of praying and chanting. It's great.

But without the Sufi tradition -- any mystic tradition -- the sublimation is not converted back to the consciousness or empty awarness.

Repression sets in.

So people get lost easily in the West.

I presented a paper in my Christian middle school -- "Is Rock and Roll Satanic?"

My answer: No. But this girl (whose brother was dating and sleeping with my sister) said YES IT IS. Then years later she took me to prom and her mom was pissed that I didn't kiss her.

haha.

So music -- pop music -- is mainly just about sex not real love.

In traditional matrilineal village states to become a MAN you have to go spend 3 months in isolation.

In the Ivory Coast this is the Senufo tradition -- all the "sacred forest" traditions in West AFrica mandate this (of course it's been largely replaced by missionaries).

In Brazil the traditional spiritism training requires 3 months of isolation.

In Taoism the 3 months is called a GONG -- 100 days of isolation.

All those examples are a tradition to make up for the early low population density that enabled a constant 3 day separation with the one night a week all night trance dance.

The Koi-San cultures marry at ages 14 for men and 9 for women! Do you think that's repressive?

haha.

So they understand sex but also how to turn sex into ELECTROMAGNETIC power.

Isaiah Mpski

11-03-2006, 04:51 PM

So that's what my Buddha belly is-a fuel tank for a sex machine.

Rob P

11-03-2006, 07:17 PM

.......

my favorite quote from someone somewhere (in summertime):

'talking about music
is like dancing about architecture.....'

.......

nyk

11-03-2006, 07:17 PM

In traditional matrilineal village states to become a MAN you have to go spend 3 months in isolation.

In the Ivory Coast this is the Senufo tradition -- all the "sacred forest" traditions in West AFrica mandate this (of course it's been largely replaced by missionaries).

In Brazil the traditional spiritism training requires 3 months of isolation.

In Taoism the 3 months is called a GONG -- 100 days of isolation.

Funny...I picked up 'The Secret of the Golden Flower' this afternoon
to reacquaint myself with Taoist alchemy. One hundred days, yes.

Agent Smith

11-03-2006, 07:49 PM

yep, that's the problem with an open honey jar.

all them ants.

drew hempel

11-04-2006, 12:47 PM

The middle of my brain created lots of purple last night -- something like an electric glow between the pineal and pituitary -- gooey, chewy, blissful purple. Then I traveled to Asia -- jungle-mountains -- and had some fun with beautiful Nature.

drew hempel

11-04-2006, 02:49 PM

See look! I found the "small universe" -- from the book "Taoist Yoga" -- which is the prime source --

there are 12 harmonic nodes along the outside of the body that can be resonated -- just by sitting in a chair. This link shows the diagram from the book:
http://www.kheper.net/topics/Taoism/circulation_of_light.html

nyk

11-04-2006, 06:33 PM

Grape honey?

How many days left before the 100 mark?

drew hempel

11-04-2006, 06:49 PM

That's a good question. I did a serious "gong" when I first got the book "Taoist Yoga" -- AFTER I began receiving energy transmissions from the super Master Chunyi Lin http://springforestqigong.com I mean he literally goes around the class, points his finger and "voila"! honey-bliss charging up the brain! It's amazing.

But I only got to chapter six on "Taoist Yoga" and then the energy was too strong and I freaked out -- after that I read Master Nan, Huai-chin whom I also highly recommend. He's hardly read in the West and he cuts through a lot current misnomers.

I finally sold out and bought one of those trendy "yoga mats." Turns out those things work great because the surface is smooth yet they absorb a lot of pressure -- so your bones don't freak out sitting in full-lotus.

Then I finally got the "small universe" C.D. -- much better sound quality than the old tape -- so I can crank the guidance of Master Lin.

My last "gong" was in 2000 but I was taking classes from Master Lin as well and then I also practice qigong about 4 hours a day or more. It ended with an 8 day "energy feast" (no food, next to no water and only 5 hours of sleep a night). Then on the 9th day I healed my mom of a serious debilitation and I pulled this old lady's spirit out of her head -- without touching her!

She bawled constantly for at least 15 minutes. So this stuff is powerful.

haha.

To be honest I think the "alchemical pill" is basically the charged up "load" of the man -- so it's your load up against the sexual proclivities of every mammal around you --

and that includes squirrels, etc.

Caprinardo Delirio

11-05-2006, 09:27 AM

isn't that a frank zappa quote, rob? i remember it as writing about music...

drew hempel

11-05-2006, 11:43 AM

Speaking of Cheesy White Male tight trouser, sneaker Rock turned spiritual leaders -- has anyone seen the new Metallica documentary?

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/movies/review/2004/07/09/metallica/index.html

Caprinardo Delirio

11-05-2006, 07:11 PM

i've seen it, though it's hardly new by now... but funny as heil!

drew hempel

11-07-2006, 11:13 AM

Right. Anyway you can head ultrasonics -- "Dr. Hans Kietz and Dr. Claus Timm have proved that we can still hear so-called ultrasound quite well, provided the transmitter has direct contact with our skull bones without any air intervening. But then we register any number of vibrations from 20,000 to 176,000 -- the upper limit Dr. Timm has checked -- as of exactly the same pitch. Although this 'ultra-range' comprises well over three octaves, to us all the 36 tones physically possible seem stereotyped and exactly like the highest tone we can hear in the normal way when it reaches us through the air." P. 167, "The Magic of the Senses" by Vitus Droscher.

Ultrasonics create heat creates electromagnetic fields and Voila -- the Jar of Honey is Open!

[pRovS]

11-07-2006, 04:28 PM

drew, how do you suggest reaching lotus?

drew hempel

11-07-2006, 06:46 PM

practice the small universe -- see Level 1 sitting meditation C.D. for $11 pluse $4 shipping at http://springforestqigong.com
click on store.

okster

11-08-2006, 05:17 PM

pRovS - is your question actually something like - OK Drew, you say we must sit in full lotus, and I can't do that, so how do I become able to sit in lotus?

and Drew, is this the question you are responding to? Are you saying that the way to be able to sit in lotus is to practice this particular qigong meditation? or are you saying this is what to do once you are in lotus?

In any case, I would like to address the lotus question -

Many people are able to sit in lotus with no training. Many are not. It is possible (though I tend to doubt it) that some humans can never sit in lotus -perhaps due to bone structure. Most humans have some amount of DEEP CHRONIC MUSCULAR TENSION. Some have a little, some have a lot, some have tons, some have tons and tons. Everyone has a different amount and everyone's specific pattern of tension is different. The ancient science of Hatha Yoga was designed to correct these deep imbalances in the musculo-skeletal system. The most authentic modern forms of hatha yoga (physical yoga or asana practice) are Ashtanga yoga and Iyengar yoga, the former being perhaps more suited to young and healthy folks, the latter more suited to people needing a more gentle and therapeutic approach. Asana practice is an infinite science, which infinitely explores the infinite human body. On the other hand, its pretty straight-forward. The human body is designed in a certain way. It is your birthright to be running and jumping for 100 years. Due to physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual reasons, we can accumulate tension, which is stored in our muscles and can become quite chronic, held in place by fascia, which can actually glue itself together. Also the switches in the brain that control the muscles can become stuck as muscles remain unused. So there can be much work to do in yoga asana practice if one wishes to obtain optimum balance in the musculoskeletal system. Scoliosis (mild or severe) can be reversed by asana practice.

As for specifically ataining lotus, I'm no expert and still working on it myself, but a well rounded asana practice should eventually get you there. For some this might mean a few asanas practiced a few minutes a day for a month. For others, it might mean attending a 2-hour yoga class daily for ten years, supplemented with hours of more focussed practice at home. Most people will fall somewhere in between. Just depends on how much tension is in the muscles and how hard you want to work on it.

It can be helpful to stop sitting in chairs. When sitting around at home, sit in half lotus. Or sit in various other asanas, working carefully and gradually. It may seem like the knees are the hangup, but it is probably actually the hips. Be careful not to force the knees. Many people overdo yoga. And realize that all the asanas work together. So it is good to go to some classes to get ideas and guidance for working on ones own.

One classical reason for asana practice is, in fact, just to become able to sit in lotus, so that one may advance to the next stage, which is meditation, which may require sitting still comfortably for hours at a time. Many teachers of meditation skip over all the issues of the physical body and say to just sit in a chair or however you want. This might be quite alright. But I tend to agree with Drew - there is no subsitute for sitting in full lotus. This is the ancient teaching. Second-guess it if you want.

nyk

11-08-2006, 06:49 PM

A lotus is a flower. And it doesn't need to cross its roots to bloom.

It is better to eat a pretzel than to be one.

Agent Smith

11-08-2006, 07:24 PM

okster-most meditation masters who do not advocate sitting in full lotus do not 'skip over it', there are equally percise instructions on how to sit in chairs, with the spine full upright, and supported.

in point of fact most chinese masters do not prefer full, half, or even partial lotus. that came in with buddhism.

Cheng Man Ching (a some what known taiji master) made the observation that the back of a chair is for hanging you coat. (think about it.)

another point of fact, lotus is not optimal for some body structures, (short legs, long torso) or some cultivation practices (drawing qi up through the ground)

it's primary advantage is in the proper alignment of the spine, which can be achived with other methods.

there's more than one way to skin a cat stance.

...but whatever, just listen to he-man, and the masters of the universe.

okster

11-08-2006, 10:06 PM

All good points.

Yes, always more than one way.
Currently I've been really interested in the hard core yoga way.

But I have maybe an angle on this that I sometimes wonder if I get across. The thing about deep chronic tension. Like maybe lotus isn't always "approriate" or necessary. But probably most people who cannot sit in lotus actually could if they removed the pathological deep chronic tension which is causing structural imbalances in their musculoskelatal system. And this could also be called energy imbalances. And this is something you want to fix! This is theoretically true not just about lotus but pretty much any standard asana. Asana practice can be a way to measure whether you need to work on your body. Check it out. Is your skeleton properly alligned head to toe? If not, it would probably really be worthwhile to straighten it out. It would change everything! Most people maybe don't care and that's OK. But there is a science to this. I'm just thinking that maybe the main reason for not prescribing lotus in some instances is that it is assumed that most people cannot do it.

I was once having a discussion with a guy I knew a long time ago when we were both into all kinds of crazy stuff and I told him I had been doing Ashtanga yoga. He said it was "stone age". Working just on the body. (a misconception of course) Meditation is where its at. Meanwhile he's studying computers to get out of carpentry because he has back problems. And meanwhile I was getting out of computers to do physical work outside and starting to do more yoga so I wouldn't have the kind of aches and pains that doctors and everyone else seem to consider to be a normal part of aging. I just think our bodies are important and the main thing that goes wrong (muscular tension) can be easily taken care of. But people don't know that. So we accept some physical limitations that might not really be that hard to overcome. And maybe that's OK. I just want to get straightened out.

Yeah its about straight spine. Which is another matter aside from sitting posture. It might take awhile just to straighten the spine. In the mean time a chair might be helpful. And a chair might be fine anytime anyway. Part of the appeal to me of yoga is that it is just you. Nothing else required, not even a chair.

I came across an interesting lotus issue a couple of weeks ago. In yoga, it is stressed that the right leg goes up first with the left on top when sitting in lotus. I always remember this since my Ashtanga teacher mentions it alot and since I can only get into lotus the opposite way. Well it turns out that the Buddhists sit the opposite way, with the right leg on top. Perhaps there are important esoteric reasons for these prescriptions. Me, I think equal time left and right makes sense. Just remember to keep changing yourself between being a yogi and a Buddhist so it will be OK.

I just find all this interesting. Yoga asana practice. Meditation. Lotus. Or not. Or why not. Tai Chi is done standing.

I don't get the hanging coat back of chair thing. (if you would explain)

Agent Smith

11-08-2006, 10:37 PM

if you're not using the back of the chair to lean up against, what do you have to do with your own spine?

there are several other reasons for not using lotus, but that just gets into pedantic "this, or that" arguements. better to focus on that which excites you.

okster

11-08-2006, 11:24 PM

The Chinese proverb is still confusing. (those crafty old wizards) But I think I get it anyway. We free the energy being used to keep the spine erect by letting the chair back support it. In a way that's kind of in between lying down (fully supported back) and sitting in lotus (no support).

I do try to focus on that which excites me. And that's hard when there's so many exciting things! But still interested in other reasons for not sitting in lotus. I like to learn about things from many angles.

Now I must go to sleep....

Agent Smith

11-08-2006, 11:30 PM

*sigh*

if you don't ever use the back of the chair, and continually train your spine to remain erect, it won't go all out of alignment on you.

okster

11-09-2006, 06:13 AM

Yes - I'm slow.
OK - the "not so confusing after all" aphorism makes clear sense. The back of the chair is for hanging your coat on, not for leaning against. Sit up straight!

drew hempel

11-09-2006, 08:32 AM

There's going to be a lot of "knee jerk" reactions to the full-lotus but the point is -- are your body channels open or not? Because tons of "teachers" blather on and on about "meditation" which might as well be just sitting like a tard in a room somewhere (people like to do that).

So the "small universe" opens up the body channels. Tai chi will also open up the body channels but tai chai uses tons of detailed manuevers while the small universe is very simple and can be done sitting in a chair.

Tai chi focuses on the electromagnetic power but full-lotus ideally is for spirit travel.

That's the difference. Now tons of people will talk about spirit travel but the problem in the West is that it's not understood that spirit travel is POWERED by sexual energy transformed into electromagnetic fields. So there are tons of analyses and studies of OBEs for example (Susan Blackmore is the best known) and none even CONSIDER this aspect -- of sexual energy powering the OBE. Why? Because there are very few masters of full lotus in the West yet such mastery is the basic measurement of the ability to have spirit travel! Read Professor Master Nan, Huai-chin (a Taiwanese yoga master who is a best-seller in Asia and not known hardly at all in "enlightened" circles in the West).

In Taoist alchemy this is JING (sexual energy and generational energy) into CHI (electromagnetic energy) that turns into light as spirit -- SHEN. The means to do this is YI -- intention.

YI makes CHI.

But I prefer the Pythagorean approach because it's the foundation of the West and it's clearly equivlaent to the Taoist system.

The Small Universe was practiced in India -- as detailed in Professor Mircea Eliade's book "Yoga and Immortality" --

but otherwise you won't find the "small universe" practice in the Indian tradition -- it's been lost -- but it's all based on RESONANCE OF HARMONICS.

So with Tai Chi the basic principle is that the upper and lower half of the body and the right and left hand are complimentary opposites.

The easiest is just to stand with feet wider than shoulders, knees bent, one hand in front of lower half of body and the other in front of upper half. Slowly move the hands in front of body so that they switch positions and then repeat.

That's called "moving of yin and yang" by master Chunyi Lin -- and it's the simplest Tai Chi move.

Qigong has lots of standing postures where you don't move at all! So what are you doing? Well again if you listen to the highest tone you can hear (ONLY IN YOUR HEAD) then you hear ultrasonics which turns into heat and then electrochemical changes into electromagnetic power.

So meditation is really listening to the universe -- because when we lived in the trees in the forest SOUND was our dominant sense, not light. The inner ears -- the cochlea -- uses a golden ratio spiral to create a vortex of electromagnetic energy. Sound is controlled by our intention but sound is the only sense that can not be traced to any one part of the brain -- sound TRANSCENDS the brain for perception, as Howard Bloom details.

Mass as Intensity is measured by frequency so in meditation we convert mass to energy via Einstein's equation but by using the high frequency of ultrasound -- ONLY -- heard from within our heads (it can not be heard through the air).

okster

11-10-2006, 07:33 AM

OK Drew - all very interesting, as always.

But back to the question - how does one become able to sit in lotus?

Were you always able to sit in lotus? Did you work on it, like with asana practice? Or maybe it just became easier over time as you sat in lotus to the best of your ability.

I'm just addressing the simple question of how to become able to sit in the physical lotus posture - padmasana. Since you seem to be saying that this is important. And since this seems to be a universal esoteric teaching. And since most people don't seem to have this ability without working on it. And since the question seems to have been asked. (although I'm not sure if this is actually what pRovS is asking). I feel like I already have an understanding of the answer to the this question, as I detailed above (remove the deep chronic tension from the musculoskeletal system). But I am interested in your response. I can't tell if you are saying in both of your last posts that the way to become able to sit in lotus posture is to practice the small universe meditation. (Which you say can be done sitting in a chair), or if you are just not addressing that question at all. I know that there are many ways, many paths to anywhere. And I don't doubt that we can remove tension from our bodies by nothing but meditation. But I tend to think that the most straight-forward way to correct physical problems is by physical means.

Anyway, no big deal. I'm just very interested in such things. And I thought I might try to understand what you are saying.

nyk

11-10-2006, 07:43 AM

And I don't doubt that we can remove tension from our bodies by nothing but meditation. But I tend to think that the most straight-forward way to correct physical problems is by physical means.

None of our problems are physical. They are all psychological, and the
difficulties that our psychologies inflict upon our physicalities.

willoweyes

11-10-2006, 07:48 AM

In a story I once read, the narrator was describing a body, twisted by disease into a rictus during life, yet relased in death.

After rigor relaxes, the deceased is absolutely limber.

nyk

11-10-2006, 07:54 AM

But dead. :p

drew hempel

11-10-2006, 02:24 PM

OK check it out. Yesterday in my meditation or maybe this morning (I was up till 4:30 a.m.) I thought of this man who I hadn't seen in at least 5 years.

He is a radical activist on campus and he used to walk with a cane. I was wondering what had happened to him -- if he was still around town or not (a lot of people leave Minneapolis because of the brutal weather and social scene -- "MN Ice").

Then -- voila! -- I just ran into him and he's in a wheel chair. I say I was just thinking about you yesterday! Which is strange because I didn't even really know this guy and hadn't thought about him at all since I had last seen him years ago. So we have a conversation.

We caught up one an old mutual friend and I found out what his life was more about -- his specialty is civil rights history and he has muscular dystrophy.

He states western science can not study his disease -- that there are no alternative solutions because there was no solution in the West!! He states that other than some mice research there is nothing.

I told him about the Chinese healer who has cured everything -- cancer, paralysis, HIV, etc.

He states that "I guess I just think I'm damaged goods."

Now he was even being nice because he was waiting for Metro Mobility to give him a ride and he didn't like me bringing up the idea of "alternative solutions."

I know that in the disabled community it's considered very UN-P.C. to suggest a "solution" to someone -- because they are not "handicapped."

But especially in the Left there is this ultra-worship of science.

At any rate I just responded well "I guess I'm kinda strange because I like to investigate unknown things."

NOW -- to get into the Full-Lotus. I've heard several people (I just went into the full-Lotus) -- they've stated -- I'm Not the Right Body Type.

That makes no sense! So either their legs are too short (well if they can touch the ground they can touch your own thighs!) etc.

So you want to know what's the process. I know of several people who could sit in the full-lotus -- but they think it's just an issue of flexibilty.

This flexibility is true at first -- so I used to play a lot of soccer and I was fascinated when this female coach I heard taught us isometrics -- you just stand still with your knees bent and it creates heat to loosen up the muscles.

The thigh stretching from soccer enabled me to sit in the full-lotus. But real full-lotus is when your feet go beyond your thighs!

So it's not just flexibliity. If you practice those standing active exercises -- I gave the "moving of the yin and yang" example -- and the "small universe" exercise what you are doing is activating the natural resonance nodes of the body.

This is the same as acupuncture but more intense -- there are 12 nodes along the outside of the body the cover the center of the back and front as the two main energy channels. So the small universe is based on the same 12 notes of the music scale -- that's why it works.

So anyone sitting in a chair -- even if they have muscular dystrophy -- can practice the small universe.

The practice at first creates a lot of heat and that's the hormones so then there's an electrochemical conversion of heat into electromagnetic fields.

The 12 points of the small universe -- http://springforestqigong.com Level One sitting meditation C.D. -- will heat up and then you get this buzzing magnetic sensation -- that's the chakras beginning to open up.

Then the endocrine glands heat up -- so you feel your kidneys real hot and then the thyroid and finally the middle of the HEAD -- the pituitary and pineal glands.

At this point the body will feel totally limber and not only that but it will be suffuse with electromagnetic fields!

So this was 5 years ago when I practiced really strongly and I got to that point. I was sitting in full-lotus and after 2 hours my legs went totally numb.

Normally when your legs go numb you might be concerned. In full-lotus it means a "higher frequency" of the nerves which then converts into a "stronger amplitude."

So the energy will shoot up to the head -- it cycles around the body.

Anyway when the numbness goes really deep you can feel your bones going numb.

What I did at that point was use the "swordfingers" -- my hands were free so I pointed my index and middle finger with my pinky and 4th finger against my thumb in a ring -- that's the sword fingers.

I pointed the sword fingers at my totally numb feet (that were painful). I didn't want to give up on the full-lotus. I wanted to go deeper.

As soon as I shook my swordfingers at my feet then electromagnetic fields shot out of my fingers and immediately made the numb pain in my feet vanish.

That's how healing works.

When you get to a higher level then the electromagnetic fields -- the Chi -- turns into Shen -- astral light that bends spacetime.

So you have visions of the future -- but it's not "you" -- it's the universe resonating the information you need to know -- based on the DESIRE of the universe, as measured by the 1:2:3:4 ratios of Yin and Yang.

nyk

11-10-2006, 05:03 PM

Kannagara no michi is simpler.

drew hempel

11-10-2006, 06:44 PM

This is the easiest it can get! http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/qigong/qigong3.htm

nyk

11-10-2006, 07:10 PM

My way is much easier. A single gesture, single respiration. And it is a
torus. That's all it takes.

Agent Smith

11-10-2006, 08:24 PM

i am popping my amygdala in your general direction...

:skeptic:

nyk

11-11-2006, 07:43 AM

You sure are! :eek:

drew hempel

11-11-2006, 02:07 PM

I googled your post #83 and got "the way of SOUND" -- so it's the same thing as what I'm talking about!

The concept of the Kototama, or the power of sound, can be found all over the world. The most sophisticated and well developed version of these concepts are in Tibetan Buddhism which was spread all through China, Mongolia, and across the China sea to Japan. In Japan these practices became known as Mikkyo or Esoteric Buddhism and they influenced the development of Shinto as it evolved into the modern world from its archaic shamanistic origins. The final result of this development was the Kototama, a system which could describe all of the various energetic elements of the universe in terms of sound or vibration.

The Kototama has the same essential concepts as the I Ching but it is more complex. The fundamental building blocks of the universe are sounds which manifested from the original stillness of the undifferentiated as vibrations (each sound having a different energetic signature or wave length). Every vibration has a corresponding color, physical characteristics, psychological / emotional aspects etc. Even the various Shinto deities are associated with certain energetic characteristics determined by the Kototama sounds with whom they are associated.

If one reads William Gleason Sensei's book The Spiritual Foundations of Aikido one can see just how complex this system is. But it is not necessary to master the details of the Kototama system to be able to comprehend the most important implications of Kototama theory for our practice of Aikido. Even a consideration of the most basic concepts offers a profound set of insights with regard to the practice of the art, especially if one aspires to some level of understanding on par with the Founder.

In the world of the I Ching or the Kototama, EVERYTHING is in a state of flux, nothing is static. The universe is composed of a myriad set of elements constantly combining and recombining. In any given instant something is being created and something is passing out of existence yet even here this is really an illusion since "passing out of existence" is merely a recombining of elements into some new form and "creation" is just the emergence of a new form from the old. In this world the only constant is change and yet this is not Chaos.

Even in a universe of constant movement and change there is an overall balance. Things don't happen randomly but rather according to a set of principles. In Shinto this is the Kannagara no Michi, the Way of the Kami.

nyk

11-11-2006, 05:01 PM

'Kannagara' means the stream of god....which is aikido.

There is a saying in some zen circles that one hour of walking meditation
(kinhin?) is worth ten hours of sitting (zazen).

Sitting is really good late night, outside, on a chair....where your body
sort of hangs like a vertical tadpole (tail down). There is a subtle tension-
lock in the limbic area. The body occasionally and mildly undulates just
a bit as though you really are suspended in liquid.

Sometimes you feel you could stay like that for days. I have gone
4 maybe 5 hours with it. I find myself doing this one more and more
lately (unaltered).

drew hempel

11-11-2006, 05:57 PM

Wait you mean sitting on the edge of the chair right? You mean the "lumbar" right? -- not the limbic (of course the limbic brain region is not mutually exclusive).

Yeah that's what qigong master Yan Xin teaches -- you sit with your perideum or something like that -- it's the energy line BETWEEN the anus and the tailbone.

Anyway -- check out this crazy "sexy Chi chair" I just discovered while trying to find the name of that energy channel: http://www.healingtaousa.com/ballchair.html

It's too funny!!

Master Chunyi Lin states that 20 minutes of Full Lotus is worth 4 hours of ANY other practice -- and that's been my experience as well.

nyk

11-11-2006, 06:49 PM

Edge of chair; correct.

Lumbar; not. Now that would be pretty lame if I were confusing limbic
and lumbar, wouldn't it?! :skeptic:

The lumbar all but disappears in what I described. That's why I likened it
to a tadpole suspended in liquid. The spine becomes tail-like, of indeter-
minate length. Free, in other words. There is also a dull crater-like
sensation in the heart area (sternal).

And as for what master-this or master-that says, it is all pretty much
hearsay. What matters is what you discover on your own, once you
loosen your grip on everything taught you (both by masters and by
molders). And it is much more fun too.

A single unlearning is worth 37 learnings.

drew hempel

11-11-2006, 09:48 PM

The witching hour is almost over here in Minnesota. At midnight my 2nd chakra -- the bladder region or "lower tan tien" was steaming hot and my brain was activated as well. 11 to 1 is the best time to practice because the sun is either highest in the sky or lowest. But at noon the lower half of the body is strongly activated while at night the upper half is activated.

It's just that I had 3 double cheeseburgers today so there was a lot of "fire" in my belly -- most people burn that fire on sex without the knowledge of how to turn it into spiritual power or even brain power for that matter.

So there is definite confusion between the lumbar and limbic.

Tibetan buddhists eat meat because it's easier to create "Tumo" -- the fire for opening up the chakras that happens in the lower tan tien -- the belly as the bladder chakra or 2nd chakra. Hey it's cold in Tibet, just like Minnesota.

But until the 2nd chakra is totally open then the same sex will be attracted to the person working to open up their chakras -- because again most people just eat meat and use it for sex.

So most people can't control their sex and then when there around someone with "high frequency" energy (i.e. opening the chakras) the person who has "strong amplitude" energy (i.e. just ate a lot of meat) will have a sexual attraction towards the "high frequency" -- the brain power.

So the brain power gets sucked down for the high frequency person by the high amplitude person -- since it's brain power the high frequency person can register the fact that the strong amplitude person is attracted to them. The high amplitude person will just be confused -- having exchanged their lumbar with the limbic of the high frequency person without realizing what had happened.

Until the limbic person -- the high frequency person trying to open up the 2nd chakra fully -- creates enough amplitude than the high amplitude person will project their sexual reaction onto them or just be sexually confused.

So it can create some problems -- especially in the West with suppression of the yoga -- which is correct WAVEFORM -- the Tai Chi--Full Lotus -- to resonate both amplitude and frequency for totally transformation back to the empty awareness -- the Cosmic Eternal Feminine.

nyk

11-12-2006, 06:31 AM

Okay.

I'll meet you half-way. One leg up, Kuan Yin style.

:)

drew hempel

11-12-2006, 11:18 AM

Yeah it was the Pericardium -- that's the energy channel that is activated by sitting on the edge of the chair. Here's the link: http://www.mind-energy.net/archives/128-Energy-Meridians-and-acupoints-guide-in-Traditional-Chinese-Medicine.html

Yeah last night I got home at 1:30 a.m. and went into full-lotus plus standing "moving of the yin and yang" excercise. I did full-lotus for over an hour -- probably close to 2 hours.

Around 4 a.m. my brain was frying! It was the hottest by brain has gotten since the Level 4 retreat I went to in 2000. http://springforestqigong.com

Anyway my skull was cracking and popping and I felt parts of the inside of my brain I've never felt before -- plus my throat was really cracking and popping -- the spine connection into the skull.

It was excellent. I could really feel my pineal gland "looking" through my skull. My pineal gland was very focused and then the part of the skull it was pointed at was soft and gooey. The energy would move to my pituitary gland and then to the right side of my brain, etc. It was focused on my pineal gland for about 15 minutes.

I think this is because last night was the 3rd night after the full moon? Anyway that's when the energy is the strongest -- 3 nights before and after the full moon.

nyk

11-12-2006, 11:25 AM

http://www.davidgreenshields.com/images/Limbic-System.jpg

Interesting instrument we got.

drew hempel

11-12-2006, 11:35 AM

Kuan Yin literally means "sound-current"

[pRovS]

09-29-2007, 02:51 PM

Drew,

you wrote this
"The full-lotus can’t really be effective until electromagnetic fields are created through the ionized electrochemicals or emotions."

and also
"20 minutes in the full-lotus is worth 4 hours of any other practice, as per the 80-20 power law of quantum chaos, originating from the tetrad"

are you saying that the full lotus can't really be effective for spirit travel OR for healing in general until the electromagnetic fields are created?

Will sitting in full lotus for 20 minutes even if on hasn't opened all of the channels still be equal to 4 hours of any other practice?

Thank you and I look forward to your response.

drew hempel

09-29-2007, 03:41 PM

Once a person starts opening up the energy channels it's taught that at first there should be twice as much or maybe three times as much "active exercise" than sitting exercise.

Still the full-lotus is worth 4 hours of active exercise -- even if you just start out doing 20 minutes of it.

This is because the pressure on the legs creates just as much heat as active exercise -- but, again, most people can not start in the full-lotus and certainly the body shouldn't be "forced."

I recently discovered that when the pressure in the legs gets too strong -- and the legs go numb -- then instead of going out of full-lotus, I just raise up my body with my hands. So that way the pressure transfers to my upper body and my legs loosen up and then I can continue sitting. I hold my body suspended in the air for maybe a minute or whatever.

This is all just at the beginner level -- to create "inner heat" or the ionization of electrochemicals. The heat is definitely healing energy but when the electromagnetic bliss kicks in then the body heals very quickly.

If you can create electromagnetic fields then you can heal other people as well.

In fact as you heal other people you heal yourself! Why? Because sickness is just "extra" energy in the body -- just energy that is not harmonized.

The full-lotus, tai-chi, and the "small universe" practice are the three main body music exercises to harmonize the energy.

As the harmonized energy is shot out of the body it's experience as pressure building up and then releasing as sort of a pulse that combines the three levels:

electrochemical, electromagnetic and light-information.

What enables the healing to take place is the formless awareness which is the source of the above three energy levels. The formless awareness is FEMALE.

Only when the 3rd Eye is fully open is long-distance healing effective. This happens when true samadhi or emptiness occurs -- which means the body and brain are totally filled with blissful electromagnetic fields so much that the body is not felt at all (like in deep sleep) and the brain fills up with light.

Before this occurs a person has strong electromagnetic healing abilities and usually the person uses those abilities (telepathy, telekinesis, precognition) thereby lessening their ability to go into true samadhi.

This is called "falling back into worldliness" and it happened to me, as it does to most, unless a person can study in Nature where the energy is already very harmonized -- or unless a teacher can guide and charge the student.

Nevertheless it's the process that is key and the philosophy is the process which has no ending and no beginning. We are all healers -- even if we don't know it! haha.

I recommend getting Master Chunyi Lin's self-teaching courses which guide you in the small universe practice which is really the foundation for opening up the channels. It just involves sitting in a chair and focusing on the 12 harmonic notes along the outside of the body.

Small Universe can take you to the most advanced levels while tai-chi is focused more on electromagnetic energy and full-lotus is focused on spirit-travel, once true samadhi is achieved.

The Bushmen culture used spirit travel only for special purposes but nevertheless the electromagnetic healing they did relied on the ability to see inside a person's body.

This is called a "level two" qigong master, achieved by Jim Nance, the first African-Amercan qigong master. http://springforestqigong.com.

A book that gives further details is "Qigong Fever: Body, science and utopia in China" by Dr. David A. Palmer (Columbia University Press, 2007).

The first cause of energy blockage is emotion while the second cause is nutrition.

These two are closely linked and nutrition is a real kicker for me! haha. People love to push nasty food like drugs! haha.

I usually just "full-lotus" the hell out of nutrition and emotions! haha.

I like to eat tons of garlic as well -- there's a county in china that eats 7 cloves a day! haha.

People say to me: "is there something wrong with your neck?"

Oh that's nothing -- well it's actually my right-brain vagus nerve shooting out energy while I sit in full-lotus.

My yang energy is attracted or sucked into yin energy! haha.

So while I heal the yin energy then my own yang energy is healed as well -- and it just keeps cycling. That's the "O at a D" phenomenon -- controversial I know, but then how many people sit in full-lotus in public?

haha. Gurdjieff did this as well, that's the only other account I've read about the "O at a D" -- It's mentioned in Colin Wilson's Occult book.

This girl today was like: "He ain't got no legs!" over and over. haha.

She kept doing cartwheels in front of me. haha.

Anyway I learned recently that the vagus nerve secretes acid into the stomach so when the vagus nerve is activated for the internal orgasm then it's important to have a very alkaline diet.

This is why the "spiritual" diet is supposed to be just vegetables and fruit -- one meal a day. haha.

Yeah civilization, what a joke! haha.

[pRovS]

10-01-2007, 04:47 PM

Thank you for answering my questions drew and for all of the additional information you wrote. It's highly inspiring.

I have some more information I would like cleared up.
You spoke of holding the hands in a prayer position over the heart
with the elbows positioned over the knees to form a 2nd tetrad.

and Master Nan speaks about sitting in lotus placing the hands in the
samadhi seal mudra.

What are the differences in these and from your experience/knowledge which one is more effective?

Last night I did an hour of the small universe exercise and sat in full lotus for 2 20 minute sessions and still had nocturnal emission. Do you know of an effective exercise to stop this from going down. I guess I was mistaken thinking these exercises would stop this from happening.

Thank you Okster as well for questioning and writing about this topic.

drew hempel

10-02-2007, 10:05 AM

Ah great questions. The simplest sealed mudra is to put your thumbs against your index fingers. So you can do this during the day while people are attracted to your built-up sex energy that you want to convert to electromagnetic energy for healing. I, of course, rely on full-lotus throughout the day (it's way more effective). While at the computer, at work, at fast-food joints -- and you get to have internal climaxes all day long! haha.

If you read the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" trans. by Charles Luk that is focused totally on "not losing the alchemical pill" -- for example that final part is converting the whole body into pure consciousness -- called the "supreme complete enlightenment" in Mahayana Buddhism, as detailed by Master Nan, Huai-chin.

Well the Taoists aren't messing around: clothes-pin the nose, stick a wooden bun in the ass -- oh and most importantly hold the root of your dick to stop emission.

There's no escape for the alchemical pill! haha.

Seriously though -- the exercise of stopping urination is the same muscle used to stop nocturnal emission and eventually you'll do this subconsciously.

Also when the energy channels open up you can have internal climax even though you are not in full-lotus -- just do reverse breathing, sucking in the lower belly to push the yin energy up the back.

Finally diet is most important. If you eat meat, as Master Nan details, this creates heat that turns into sex energy. Taoist yoga talks about this as well.

Most men just lose that energy without converting it into healing chi power that opens up the right-side of the brain.

Tibetans state that eating meat makes it easier to create tummo -- inner heat. Shiva followers will eat meat while Vishnu followers are strict vegetarians.

The deal is that as the third eye is opened the right-brain vagus nerve secretes acid into the stomach and with a meat diet your body quickly becomes a feeding ground for anerobic bacteria (e. coli). Just as the stomach is the "second brain" to due having so much serotonin, via the inner climax, the brain becomes the "second stomach." haha!!

This is why brahmins are so strict about what they eat, who they eat with, etc. I'm a tantra practitioner who uses the whole shit-head as a means to keep away those who do not have clean minds! haha

So, as Taoist Yoga details, if you have any subconscious desire thoughts during the day (and you will!) you need to burn that electrochemical energy -- ionize -- to convert it back into the chi energy (or at least heat in the heart chakra).

As far as holding the hands in the prayer position, Master Chunyi Lin was asked about this after I did it in his class (because his dad holds that position!!).

Master Lin then stated that it's much better to turn your prayer hands inward so that their pointed to your heart!!

More pressure! It's kind of a pain but he got his point across! haha.

I'll be honest with you -- it's a lot of struggle to create healing chi energy but the Chinese traditionally stated that chi is more valuable than gold! haha.

Well I guess it is alchemy....

[pRovS]

10-04-2007, 04:11 PM

Thanks for the response and other information drew.

I picked up Taoist Yoga earlier this year.
That training is far too advanced for me at this point in cultivation.

I'm interested in what you meant by this...

"I'm a tantra practitioner who uses the whole shit-head as a means to keep away those who do not have clean minds! haha

if you care to explain,

peace

bopes

10-05-2007, 05:23 AM

than are dreamed of in your scatology ...:)

drew hempel

10-05-2007, 12:30 PM

Here's my latest article that I posted here in another thread:

http://mind-energy.net.

Also that links to two other qigong articles I had published there. This latest article is linked at http://anomalist.com.

As far as the shit thing -- well that's tantra. I was mainly joking but Master Chunyi Lin has stated that in qigong food does go straight to the head! haha.

The vagus nerve does not just transduce serotonin but also anerobic bacteria.

You're not supposed to eat or drink anything a half hour before or after practice and also advanced practitioners eat just a small meal of vegetables and rice, once a day. Some go into a "bigu" of energy feast state -- without eating any food or water.

I did this -- went 8 days with only half a glass of water -- yet was never hungry nor thirsty! Truly free energy. Master Chunyi Lin went some 40 days like that -- no food and no water and no sleep! Just full-lotus in a cave in China.

Also you're only supposed to eat until you are 70% full....

Some left-hand tantra practitioners in India actually EAT SHIT. The concept is that formless awareness is beyond good and evil and/or shit and food. haha.

You truly have to experience this -- telekinesis, telepathy and precognition -- to really achieve this state of "divine madness" (or the existential knowledge that all matter can be transformed).

Consider that the Berbers put black pails outside their houses filled with stink bombs in order to scare away the evil spirits and you have some idea of what I was talking about! haha.

I think my latest article addresses this issue though -- how to keep control of the energy you build up....

oh yeah I forgot to mention that in Dr. David A. Palmer's book "qigong fever" (columbia U Press, 2007) he has a quote of Supermaster Yan Xin stating that:

the food industry would actually kill qigong practitioners because qigong allows people not to need to buy food!

haha.

Sad that this has become true in the sense that Falun Gong followers are having their healthy organs extracted for the black market to feed unhealthy people whose organs have failed. Maybe those people need some black pail stink bomb treatments.

haha

Wow how timely:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071005/ap_on_re_as/china_organ_transplants