Science, Humanity and Extraterrestrials

[aquamantar]

Just found this interesting talk from a QiGong Cultivation Master named Li Hongzhi. Apparentley Li began studying when he was 4 under his first master, Law Master Quan Jue, "the 10th heir to the Great Law of the Buddha School".

After eight years, this Master reportedly left Li for him to be guided under a new master. Li continued to be guided under numerous masters throughout his life, and that "over a period of about a dozen of years, he received instructions successively from more than twenty masters from both the Buddha School and the Tao School.

Over these years Li developed a number of supernormal abilities and developed deep wisdom, an understanding of the truth of the universe and the origin, development, and future of the humankind.

Here he was asked a question about reincarnation and the interviewer got
an interesting response regarding aliens and our society.

Question: Is it true that human history is just the 7 billion lives reincarnating among themselves?

Li: Maybe it is. You’re all interested in this topic… The fact is, in history there has never been a society like the one today. You may have read in the newspaper someone’s article about my addressing the issue of aliens, and he found it to be laughable. Think about it, everyone: There has never been a human race like this in history, yet there have been periods of time in history when the technology of the human race was more advanced—far, far, more advanced than it is today.

Human beings nowadays can’t build a moon and place it in the sky, yet in the history of the human race, human beings were able to do so. However, the science developed by the human race of today and the current circumstances of today are not the only path in the entire process of the human race’s development. There are various paths of development. The science of today’s human race was, in fact, brought over by extraterrestrials.

Some people are studying the extraterrestrials and collecting their so-called signals. As a matter of fact, they are precisely right around you, only they don’t communicate with you. Also, they are doing what they intend to do in a very systematic way.

Think about it, everyone: The other day, you all understood right when I mentioned that science is a religion. In religions, they have their founders and priests, while in the sciences there are also various titles: university president, doctor, master, bachelor, professor, assistant professor, and so on. And moreover, it’s a perfect form of religion, one that exists everywhere and that is highly systematic. Human beings believe in it more than they believe in any religion, and this belief has come about imperceptibly.

If you don’t study it well, you will be cast out by this society: You won’t find a good job or have a good future. Everyone knows that a regular religion has you believe in it mentally, and then it has you see, hear, and feel the actual, real existence of gods. In contrast, the religion of science has you view things and move forward on a material basis so that you will then be mentally dependent on it. It takes the opposite approach.

But I’m not opposed to science, for it too is a product of the universe. I’m only telling you what science is. Science is not scientific, and it has brought many a disaster to the human race that will never be corrected. You all know about air pollution. The air that industries have polluted can never be restored to its purest state. Industries have also polluted water, and no matter how good your methods are, you can never restore it to its cleanest state.

Human beings breathe this air and drink this water. If it goes on like this, the human race will become deformed. The structure of their limbs will be deformed and it will get worse and worse. It’s a disaster brought about in the material realm. In the spiritual realm, before it progresses to that point, science will claim that you are superstitious and unscientific, and
strike you with the club of science if you talk about anything that science has not yet recognized, or if you talk about the existence of gods or the fact that good is rewarded and evil punished.

What does that kind of blow result in? It has destroyed man’s belief in the divine and the concepts that sustain the moral values of human beings. And when these are destroyed, the moral standards that sustain the human race are utterly destroyed. So nowadays there is no bad thing
people fear doing. Wasn’t all this caused by a science that actually isn’t that advanced? I’m only telling you the truth. I’m not saying I am against science. It’s only owing to human beings’ having excessive blind faith in it that it has imperiled the human race.

And what’s more, this science was brought here by extraterrestrials. What is their goal, then? They systematically brought to the human race subjects such as mathematics, physics, and chemistry. Then in your body and mind, the frame of thinking that they wanted has formed. Nowadays, production and tools of labor, forms of work, daily necessities, as well as ways of life brought about by science have shaped man’s ways of thinking and all of his behavior. This has fully formed the mindset that makes up warped modern man. Nowadays, almost everyone is like that.

They all have thoughts shaped by extraterrestrials, and no one is able to get away from it since everything you encounter was brought about by modern science. It seizes every opportunity, so every part of
your life is inseparable from science. Consequently, your mind has formed a way of thinking and mentality based on an understanding of the material world—an outward appearance that modern science has created.

It’s also a layer of particles. Your behavior is dictated by your mind. Then, the things you operate, the vehicles you drive—all the things you do—were all brought about by science. Thus, a layer of particles was formed in both the human body and mind. The science that was brought
to human beings by extraterrestrials has formed a layer of particles belonging to their science.

This is exactly the systematic arrangement made by the extraterrestrials in order to acquire the bodies of human beings. Thus, as you might know, science takes advantage of the desires people have, and human
beings’ desires drive them to progress as they do. Whenever someone raises doubts about today’s science, it often brings opposition from scientists. Human beings don’t realize that this kind of intolerance towards questioning is itself the result of science.

It should be clear that the intolerance of these “scientists? arises out of emotion on their part, not reason. I can say that after having reached this point, the things invented and created by scientists are in fact not the creations of human beings. Whose creation are they, then? They were created by the structure that is controlled by extraterrestrials and that has formed in man’s brain. And that structure is precisely something tightly controlled by the extraterrestrials. They will give you an inspiration and have you invent something. They have begun to replace the human race in a systematic manner.

Once that has happened, you know, people’s desires then drive human development. At first people wanted to manufacture robots, but now it’s not just robots. They want to make human beings—to clone human beings. If human beings are indeed created through cloning, think about
it... Human beings are managed by gods. When a person is born, if he or she has no soul (yuanshen), then it is only a corpse.

Why can a human being die when he has no problems with his physical body? How can he die suddenly? It’s that his soul has left. Without that soul, it is only a hunk of flesh. With his soul, he is alive. A human body is like a piece of clothing: when it is worn by a human being, it is alive; if it’s not worn, it is dead. Think about it, then: What will happen if gods don’t place a soul inside a cloned being on account of its having been created by
human beings and gods surely not acknowledging it?

An extraterrestrial will fill the vacuum by placing itself as the soul of that human. So then it will have a human body and will occupy a human being. There will be more and more of these types of beings. And owing to their desires, human beings will be ordered to continuously make them. More and more of them will be made.

These beings will become the majority, and they will become members of the human race, and they will be smarter than man. The minds of human beings already have a layer of their particles in them and are being controlled by them. So they will formulate laws that won’t allow human
beings to give birth from a certain point on. All [lives] will have to be cloned. And that is when they will invade the earth on a large scale. On the surface they would look like human beings, but would not be; they would be alien lives. Think about it, then: In no way am I spinning tall
tales for people!

Of course, human beings are completely helpless in the face of current circumstances. They can’t break away from all that has been given to human beings by science, for that science is controlled by the extraterrestrials, and you can’t even locate them. Human beings want to contact the extraterrestrials, but almost everything of human beings today was invented by them.

Human beings think that they won’t contact you, but in fact you are connected to the extraterrestrial lives all the time. Is there really a need for you to look for them? So human beings are helpless in the face of all this. They can’t solve it. This is what I see as one of the biggest problems for the current human race. I have spoken out and told people now.

I said that I don’t want to oppose so-called science, yet I have seen the true predicament of the human race. Since I am offering salvation to you in this setting, I have to live in this place, riding in cars and flying in airplanes. Science and the extraterrestrials are also products of the
universe. However, the development of the human race will always have its beginning and will develop to its end. This is a law. All I have done is to tell you one of today’s phenomena in order for my students to understand the universe as they cultivate.

If I go into the details many ordinary people won’t believe them, so I won’t talk about them. The development of the computer is in fact a terrifying thing for man. You might destroy yourselves without even knowing how you were destroyed. These days people store data and then analyze the results with computers. With further development, people might use computers to make decisions, and that would signal the
beginning of human beings coming to obey computers. Computers would then begin to totally command people. Computers would become more and more intelligent, and human beings would rely on computers ever more, until ultimately they were totally controlled by computers. This is
how man’s desires would be used to destroy the human race.

[drew hempel]

Umm -- that's the Falun Gong cult leader. He's a fake. Sorry but it's true. That's why he lives in the U.S. His followers asked him to fly at one of their conferences since he states he can do so - no could do!

You can't fake the full-lotus. If he can sit in full-lotus for 28 days in a cave without food and water then he can maybe start talking about E.T.s.

Not to dismiss qigong! Even if someone wants to practice falungong -- the moves are not fake. It's just how much you practice and the pudding that is the proof is the full-lotus.

[nyk]

From wikipedia....



Falun Gong practitioners, noted Nina Willdorf from Boston Phoenix, “[do not know] much about Master Li's past or present, and... are reluctant to discuss even what little they do know about him.” Falun Gong’s official website, Clearwisdom.net, introduces him in this way:
"Mr. Li Hongzhi introduced the practice of Falun Gong to the general public in China in 1992. He then taught the practice publicly for two years in China, after which the practice continued to grow primarily by word-of-mouth. In keeping with Chinese tradition, Mr. Li is often respectfully referred to as "Master" or "Teacher." He is not accorded special treatment, nor does he accept money or donations from students of Falun Gong. He has ensured that the practice be available to all people, and without any terms or conditions. For his contributions to humanity he has been given over 400 honors and awards, and is a two-time Nobel Peace Prize nominee."Originally, though later taken out of circulation, a biography of Master Li appeared as an appendix in the famous Zhuan Falun; called “A short biography of Mr Li Hongzhi, Chairman of Falun Gong Research Society”, it recounted Li's life and some of his experiences, from birth up to the time when he began teaching Falun Dafa.

According to this biography, at the age of four Li began practicing cultivation. His first teacher was a Buddhist master named Quan Jue (literally, complete enlightenment). Quan Jue’s training consisted mainly in cultivating his pre-school pupil’s innate supernatural powers and instilling great moral principles within him. At the age of eight, it is reported that several supernormal powers manifested; he could levitate off the ground and become invisible. Other supernatural abilities acquired were the ability to control others’ movements by thoughts, and teleportation — he could move himself anywhere he wanted by thought alone. In the following decades he continued to receive trainings from various Masters in spirituality as well as Kung Fu and sword-fighting. Some training took place at night in secret locations where no one could witness them. Through these secret trainings Li obtained great abilities. The supernatural powers he possessed were “unimaginable for ordinary human beings.” Though the biography emphasizes that above all, “He discovered the truth of the universe, many more beautiful things which have existed there for a long time, as well as the origin, development and future of mankind.”

Following the biography’s recounting of intensive, decades-long physical and moral training, it goes on to tell of the reasons Li Hongzhi brought the cultivation system, Falun Dafa, to the public. It says that he had always questioned, in his mind, the reasons he was alive, and the reasons he had been taught the Gongfu. It reports that as his cultivation process advanced, he came to know and understood more. He felt that mankind should have been happier, but that people had lost their "true selves"; Li felt that people's spirits have been corrupted and their bodies suffering. The biography continues to report Li Hongzhi's personal thoughts "Mr. Li felt sad whenever he thought about it. People need strong physiques and noble spirits to build a perfect society and live a happy life. He realized his duty and made up his mind to devote himself to working for people's health and building a paradise of noble spirit." One thing emphasised here is that Li "...saw that Xinxing (mind nature or moral character) is the root cause of human health. Everybody looks forward to a happy life, but they meet with every kind of misfortune because they have lost their true selves." The biography goes onto describe Li's process of refining and perfecting the cultivation system, Falun Dafa, and his imparting it to the public.

Since the biography, Li Hongzhi has made many comments which may be interpreted as claims to divinity. For example, by 1996, Li was hinting that he was not just an ordinary human being, but rather a reincarnated deity who has lived many previous lives. “The things imparted to me by my several masters in this life are exactly what I intentionally arranged a few lifetimes ago for them to obtain. When the predestined occasion arrived, it had already been arranged that they [would] impart those things back to me so that I could recall my Fa in its entirety.”

Since 1996, Li’s statements about his identity have become more explicit. In March, 2002, Li announced that:
“No one knows who I am. I do not know who I am, either. No being has ever seen me, and no being has ever called me by any name. I have neither form nor name, and I am different from anything that composes any being in the cosmos. To the sentient beings in the cosmos, I have nothing. Perhaps when the cosmos is no more, only I am there. I have nothing. No being knows who I am. Yet without me, the cosmos wouldn't exist. The reason I have come here is to save all sentient beings amidst the Fa-rectification at a time when the colossal firmament of the cosmos is disintegrating.” On February 15, 2003 at the Western U.S. Fa Conference, Li further discussed his situation. He first stated that his situation isn’t something that ordinary human beings can imagine. Then he described his origins: “I came from the inside, and came from the outside; I came from nothing, formed into something, appeared at the pinnacle of the colossal firmament, and then from there I descended step by step to the most surface, the Three Realms [which includes our human dimension]. No being knows who I am."

Li then made claims about his service to the human race. “In fact, today's human race would have been destroyed a long time ago if it weren't for the Fa-rectification. The standard of the human race's thinking is already at a level lower than hell. It's because of the Fa-rectification that I atoned for the sins of all sentient beings in the Three Realms.” He then went on to claim what he has done for his disciples: “As far as our students are concerned, it was as if I scooped you out of hell back then. (Applause) I have truly borne for you the sins you committed over hundreds and thousands of years. And it doesn't stop at just that. Because of this, I will also save you and turn you into Gods. I have spared no effort for you in this process. Along with this, since you'll become Gods at levels that high, I have to give you the honors of Gods at levels that high and all the blessings that you need to have at levels that high. (Applause) Never, from the beginning of time, has any God dared to do this. Something like this has never happened before.”

According to the teachings of Li Hongzhi, Fa-rectification refers to the process of renewal, harmonization and perfection of the entire cosmos. Li Hongzhi writes that the old cosmos possessed the characteristic of formation-stasis-degeneration-destruction, and that the cosmos has now reached its final stage, of destruction. As mentioned above, Li Hongzhi has said that he has prevented the cosmos from disintegrating, and has rectified it with the Fa (Universal Law), in the process saving all beings - including humans.


Oh boy.:rolleyes:

[aquamantar]

Hmmmm...actually I'm not too much interested in this guy's past, especially wikipedia is not only a good source of information, but also a good source of disinformation in order to debunk many individuals.
People sometimes quote from it as if it is an authority in all and everything,
not questioning its content.
Even if this guy has a questionable past, there is alwasy lies mixed with truth......and he might be as well a threat to many people who like to sustain the status quo, for obvious reasons. But anyway, I'm not concerned with him as a person.

What I'm more concerned is what he had to say in reagrds to hyperdimensional control. He's not the first one who talks about this.
Actually I think Pinchbeck tlaks about htis in his books as well.


It also reminds me of Castaneda's work, in particular his book "The Active Side Of Infinity".
On a note, I don't really care if Castaneda's Don Juan was "real" or not. That's not the point of his work. What really matters are the insights and messages, some of them quite prfound and right on.......if people have the capability and depth to grasp them.


From "THE ACTIVE SIDE OF INFINITY". Carlos Castaneda

"Ah, that's the universe at large, ' he said, 'incommensurable, nonlinear, outside the realm of syntax. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were the first ones to see those fleeting shadows, so they followed them around. They saw them as you're seeing them, and they saw them as energy that flows in the universe. And they did discover something transcendental. [...] They discovered that we have a companion for life... We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so. [...] You have arrived, by your effort alone, to what the shamans of ancient Mexico called the topic of topics. I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico.

"'Why has this predator taken over in the fashion that you're describing, don Juan?' I asked. 'There must be a logical explanation.'

"'There is an explanation,' don Juan replied, 'which is the simplest explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops. Therefore, their food is always available to them.'

"I felt that my head was shaking violently from side to side. I could not express my profound sense of unease and discontentment, but my body moved to bring it to the surface. I shook from head to toe without any volition on my part.

"'No, no, no, no,' I heard myself saying. 'This is absurd, don Juan. What you're saying is something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or for anyone.'

"'Why not?' don Juan asked calmly. 'Why not? Because it infuriates you?'

"'Yes, it infuriates me,' I retorted. 'Those claims are monstrous!' [...]

"'I want to appeal to your analytical mind, ' don Juan said. 'Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradiction between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behavior. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal.'

"'But how can they do this, don Juan?' I asked, somehow angered further by what he was saying. 'Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?'

"'No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!' don Juan said, smiling. 'They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver - stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.

Don Juan continues: "'I know that even though you have never suffered hunger... you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.'"

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I also find it very interesting how we think that human beings are at the end of the food chain.
To not many peole the thought has occured that we might being and have been "controlled" and manipulated throughout the ages from forces and beings roaming in hyperspace, exsiting on other levels of densities and that we in fact have alien DNA in us.
There is this whole misconception in the new age community that any light being, that is any non-physical being exisitng in other densities/dimensions, are benevolent and just want the "best" for humanity.
That's where all that new age channelling junk comes in where channels are purposely being used to spread disinformation in order to mislead the new ager. It's very important to discern good channels from manipulative ones.

David Icke has touched on this, however, he has distorted it in many ways and taken things too literal in my opinion.
I think it's just too big and mind-blowing to fully grasp what is actually happening when it comes to hyperdimensional control.

Most people laugh at this idea.........and that is exactly how they want it to be.....in order to breed a human race that can serve as hosts (and already is) for extraterrestial forces that have not the best interest of humanity......

...and then the typical new ager ignores all this quite disturbing aspect of reality by saying "we're all one and it's all going as it is supposed to go. It's the divine plan". Is it really? And what actually entails the plan? The "we're all one" thingy is all good and yes it is true for obvious reasons, but sometimes I feel like people use this slogan as an excuse in order to deny certain realities about our existence, not realizing that there is a danger when not confronting and understanding deeper aspects of our existence, especially when it comes to other dimensional beings who see us like we see chicken or vegetables (which have consciousness as well). Food doesn't alwasy have to be phsycial. Some beings (and humans too ) feed off emotions and suffering.




These guys have done some amazing and in depth research in regards to hyperdimensional control and new age disinformation:

http://www.cassiopaea.org

from their site:
"[...] Now, let me repeat the crucial point here: Ideas about conspiracy are not delusions or paranoia. From a historical point of view, the ONLY reality is that of conspiracy. Our "freedom" is to large extent an illusion. Secrecy, wealth and independence add up to power. ...Deception is the key element of warfare, (the tool of power elites), and when winning is all that matters, the conventional morality held by ordinary people becomes an impediment. In other words, creating religions to deceive people is standard procedure from the most primitive "witch doctor" who scares the tribe so that he can stay in power, right on up to the controls exerted by George Bush in the name of Christianity, and undoubtedly beyond, in the realms of hyperdimensions.

[Note: We speak of organized religions here, not about the very idea of God-Creator and the Mysteries of the Soul and Mind. If anything, we think that the evidence shows Creation to be far more grand and glorious than the organized religions even admit, and that the Cosmos is not reducible to the simplistic "god theories" of human beings.]

Secrecy about the true nature of our reality, and the true foolishness of these religions, stems from a pervasive and fundamental element of life in our world, that those who are at the top of the heap will always take whatever steps are necessary to maintain the status quo.

And maintaining the "status quo" via religion is one of the main objectives of the Power Elite.

And how do they do that?

By "official culture."

And official religious culture, understood this way, from the perspective of elite groups wishing to maintain the status quo of their power, means only one thing: COINTELPRO. (Counter Intelligence Program)

Here we do not mean the specific FBI program, but the concept of the program, and the likelihood that this has been the mode of controlling human beings for possibly millennia.

Remember: those who are at the top of the heap will always take whatever steps are necessary to maintain the status quo.

And maintaining the "status quo" via the clever manipulation of people via religion is one of the main objectives of the Power Elite.

And so it was that we gradually became aware of the fact that our approach of evaluating our reality in what amount to Scientific Gnostic terms, which suggests that this world we experience, our normally sensed space-time, is "embedded" in a fifith dimension (and here I use the term as mathematicians use it, NOT as it is used by the so-called "New Age") that is REAL, and our reality may very well be the "battlefield" of denizens of hyperdimensional space-time, is considered to be as dangerous as the ideas of the Gnostics and the Cathars who held similar ideas. That is to say human beings appear to be the "playing pieces" in vast and complex Secret Games of the Gods, and our actions or lack of action may represent the moves and maneuvers of said denizens of hyperdimensional space who, it seems, most desperately do NOT want us to unite in our awareness of their existence, and who exert great effort to confuse and obfuscate humanity to that end. Because certainly, if we really discover the proof of their existence, and their games, we will stop playing.

This is the Most Dangerous Idea on Earth. "

[nyk]

Aqua-

I suspect this guy picked up on conspiracy theories in the late eighties/
early nineties and decided to cash in on them.

Conspiratoral cartels and hyperdimensional syndicates are euphemisms for
plain old human folk objectifying the responsibility for their own convict
consciousness upon agencies 'outside' of themselves. The reality is that
they are prisoners of their own ignorance, and that they are doing it to
themselves. All this crap is just another version of the 'devil'. And as long
as you believe it you further your own condemnation. Of course, it
might be exciting to think that such nefarious elements are out to get
you and make the game more exciting. Hmm.....maybe I shouldn't have
said anything. :(

[aquamantar]

Aqua-

I suspect this guy picked up on conspiracy theories in the late eighties/
early nineties and decided to cash in on them.

Conspiratoral cartels and hyperdimensional syndicates are euphemisms for
plain old human folk objectifying the responsibility for their own convict
consciousness upon agencies 'outside' of themselves. The reality is that
they are prisoners of their own ignorance, and that they are doing it to
themselves. All this crap is just another version of the 'devil'. And as long
as you believe it you further your own condemnation. Of course, it
might be exciting to think that such nefarious elements are out to get
you and make the game more exciting. Hmm.....maybe I shouldn't have
said anything. :(


Well, I think what you are writing about is one the pitfalls of the new age arena I'm talking about. I'm not really interested in Beliefs or such, more in the nature of reality, especially beyond the new age slogan of "we're all one and we create all this togther". In a way the new age is becoming a new religion itself where people take on beliefs without questioning.

So you call this crap. How do you know? Becasue you don't believe it or it doesn't fit your version of what is possible/real and what not?

Sure everyhting is one and everything is just a trip we are experiencing, a game we play with ourselves.
However the world as you know it, as it has been taught to us is actually the real conspiracy here and I;m not talning about the last 100 years or so...I'm talking since the existence of man.

I suggest before judging something as crap to do some research and then really explain why it is crap and nonsonse.

I also really recommenf to check out the site I mentioned above.

http://www.cassiopaea.org
I've been studying and reading their research for the past two years and I have to say it makes sense on many levels, way more sense than most of the new age crap people just swallow like it is a new religion.

It's alwasy easy to hide behind the old "we do all of this to ourselves"
Sure, then ,whatever.....nothing really matters then , does it?

For example, it then should be all the Jew's own fault as they created/attracted the holocaust. why keep blaming Hitler? They did it to themselves!

See what I mean? These philosophycal "royal flashs" ("we're all one and the world is creation of our Inside") work on some level however, what is else is then to talk about from that point of perspective? They can very easily be taken as an escape from something we need to deal with/confront as well in this state of existence we're in right now.
Facing the darkness inside of us, we need at the same time confront the darkness outside, simply besue it is one and the same. And things are not as pretty as the average new age prophet claims them to be.

I call this the fundamental new age exit when not willing or wanting to deal with the less pleasent aspects of reality which might put a damper on the world view we have, thinking we have it all figured out why it all is the way it is. Such arrogance and ignorance is the true "evil".


All I'm saying is that there is far more to this world than taught in our schools, shown in the media, or proclaimed by the church and state. Most of mankind lives in a hypnotic trance, taking to be reality what is instead a twisted simulacrum of reality, a collective dream in which values are inverted, lies are taken as truth, and tyranny is accepted as security.
And I think we are missing a HUGE PART of our reality which we simply haven't looked at yet......but I guess

....we finally have figured it out:
We did it all to ourselves!
Right on! Let's watch "the secret" and get rich.........


"One doesn't become enlightened by imagining figures of light but by making the darkness conscious" Carl G. Jung

[aquamantar]

In regards to the real issue about conspiracies and "official culture", I suggest reading this article. Long but excellent and to the point.



Break the Spell!
by Laura Knight-Jadzcyk

Cosmic COINTELPRO (Counter-Intelligence-Programm) Timeline

Agents of the world's elite have been long engaged in a war on the populace of Earth. Greed is the motivation for this war, a greed so pervasive that it encompasses the planet and all of the beings on it, but in recent times a philosophy has been used to justify that greed. It is the philosophy of mass control that ultimately aims at dictating every aspect of human life - even remolding man's perception of reality and himself. [Jim Keith, Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness]

There is a little known fact about hypnosis that is illustrated by the following story:

A subject was told under hypnosis that when he was awakened he would be unable to see a third man in the room who, it was suggested to him, would have become invisible. All the "proper" suggestions to make this "true" were given, such as "you will NOT see so- and-so" etc... When the subject was awakened, lo and behold! the suggestions did NOT work.
Why? Because they went against his belief system. He did NOT believe that a person could become invisible.
So, another trial was made. The subject was hypnotized again and was told that the third man was leaving the room... that he had been called away on urgent business, and the scene of him getting on his coat and hat was described... the door was opened and shut to provide "sound effects," and then the subject was brought out of the trance.

Guess what happened?

He was UNABLE TO SEE the Third Man.

Why? Because his perceptions were modified according to his beliefs. Certain "censors" in his brain were activated in a manner that was acceptable to his ego survival instincts.
The ways and means that we ensure survival of the ego are established pretty early in life by our parental and societal programming. This conditioning determines what IS or is NOT possible; what we are "allowed" to believe in order to be accepted. We learn this first by learning what pleases our parents and then later we modify our belief based on what pleases our society - our peers - to believe.

Anyway, to return to our story, the Third Man went about the room picking things up and setting them down and doing all sorts of things to test the subject's awareness of his presence, and the subject became utterly hysterical at this "anomalous" activity! He could see objects moving through the air, doors opening and closing, but he could NOT see the SOURCE because he did not believe that there was another man in the room.

So, what are the implications of this factor of human consciousness? (By the way, this is also the reason why most therapy to stop bad habits does not work - they attempt to operate against a "belief system" that is imprinted in the subconscious that this or that habit is essential to survival.)

One of the first things we might observe is that everyone has a different set of beliefs based upon their social and familial conditioning, and that these beliefs determine how much of the OBJECTIVE reality anyone is able to access.

In the above story, the objective reality IS WHAT IT IS, whether it is truly objective, or only a consensus reality. In this story, there is clearly a big part of that reality that is inaccessible to the subject due to a perception censor which was activated by the suggestions of the hypnotist. That is to say, the subject has a strong belief, based upon his CHOICE as to who or what to believe - the hypnotist or his own, unfettered observations of reality. In this case, he has chosen to believe the hypnotist and not what he might be able to observe if he dispensed with the perception censor put in place by the hypnotist who activated his "belief center" - even if that activation was fraudulent.

And so it is with nearly all human beings: we believe the hypnotist - the "official culture" - and we are able, with preternatural cunning, to deny what is often right in front of our faces. And in the case of the hypnosis subject, he is entirely at the mercy of the "Invisible Man" because he chooses not to see him.

Let's face it: we are all taught to avoid uncomfortable realities. Human beings - faced with unpleasant truths about themselves or their reality - react like alcoholics who refuse to admit their condition, or the cuckolded husband who is the "last to know," or the wife who does not notice that her husband is abusing her daughter.

In States of Denial: Knowing about Atrocities and Suffering, (Cambridge: Polity Press; Malden, MA: Blackwell Publishers, 2001), Stanley Cohen discusses the subject of denial which may shed some light on the subject.

Denial is a complex "unconscious defence mechanism for coping with guilt, anxiety and other disturbing emotions aroused by reality."

Denial can be both deliberate and intentional, as well as completely subconscious. An individual who is deliberately and intentionally denying something is acting from an individual level of lying, concealment and deception. Among the larger population of decent human beings, this is not our problem. It is certainly the problem with those at the top, who then exert a controlling influence on the masses of humanity, but when we talk about ordinary people, what we are dealing with is denial that is subconscious and therefore organized and "institutional." This implies propaganda, misinformation, whitewash, manipulation, spin, disinformation, etc.

Believing anything that comes down the pike is not the opposite of denial. "Acknowledgement" of the probability of a high level of Truth about a given matter is what should happen when people are actively aroused by certain information. This information can be 1) factual or forensic truth; that is to say, legal or scientific information which is factual, accurate and objective; it is obtained by impartial procedures; 2) personal and narrative truth including "witness testimonies." The timeline to which these remarks serve as an introduction, attempts to provide as many of these elements as possible.

I should add here that skepticism and solipsistic arguments - including epistemological relativism - about the existence of objective truth, are generally a social construction and might be considered in the terms of the hypnotized man who has been programmed to think that there "is no truth" so why bother even looking for it?
Denial occurs for a variety of reasons. There are truths that are "clearly known," but for many reasons - personal or political, justifiable or unjustifiable - are concealed, or it is agreed that they will not be acknowledged "out loud." There are "unpleasant truths" and there are truths that make us tired because if we acknowledge them - if we do more than give them a tacit nod - we may find it necessary to make changes in our lives.

Cohen points out that "All counter-claims about the denied reality are themselves only manoeuvres in endless truth-games. And truth, as we know, is inseparable from power." Denial of truth is, effectively, giving away your power.

Now, let's take a brief look at science which is one of the mainstays of Official Culture.

As Ark has written, science seems to be controlled by money. Scientists, for the most part, HAVE to work on those things that get funding. There is nothing terribly unusual about that since that is a general rule for everyone. If you don't get money for your work, you starve and then you don't do any work at all. Yes, that's somewhat simplistic, but still relevant to the subject here.

The question is: what gets funded? Who decides? What is the context in which ALL science is being done? And then, of course, what is the context in which the "Bogdanov Affaire" has taken place?

Those who read this Timeline of secret and not-so-secret scientific projects - and those involved in them - may like to close their eyes to this evidence that science has most definitely been used in a very detrimental way in our world. After all, such ideas - when they are brought to public attention - are generally dismissed as "conspiracy theory" and are thus deemed unworthy of attention.

So please, bear with me a moment here and let's apply a little logic to the problem.

The first thing we want to think about is the fact that the word "conspiracy" evokes such a strong reaction in all of us: nobody wants to be branded as a "conspiracy thinker." It just isn't "acceptable." It's "un-scientific" or it's evidence of mental instability. Right? That's what you are thinking, isn't it?

In fact, I bet that the very reading of the word even produces certain physiological reactions: a slight acceleration of the heartbeat, and perhaps a quick glance around to make sure that no one was watching while you simply read the word silently.

Have you ever asked yourself WHY the word evokes such an instantaneous emotional reaction? Have you ever wondered why it stimulates such a strong "recoil?" After all, it is only a word. It only describes the idea of people in "high places" thinking about things and doing things that manipulate other people to produce benefits for themselves.

Richard M. Dolan studied at Alfred University and Oxford University before completing his graduate work in history at the University of Rochester, where he was a finalist for a Rhodes scholarship. Dolan studied U.S. Cold War strategy, Soviet history and culture, and international diplomacy. He has written about "conspiracy" in the following way:

The very label [conspiracy] serves as an automatic dismissal, as though no one ever acts in secret. Let us bring some perspective and common sense to this issue.

The United States comprises large organizations - corporations, bureaucracies, "interest groups," and the like - which are conspiratorial by nature. That is, they are hierarchical, their important decisions are made in secret by a few key decision-makers, and they are not above lying about their activities. Such is the nature of organizational behavior. "Conspiracy," in this key sense, is a way of life around the globe.
Within the world's military and intelligence apparatuses, this tendency is magnified to the greatest extreme. During the 1940s, [...] the military and its scientists developed the world's most awesome weapons in complete secrecy... [...]

Anyone who has lived in a repressive society knows that official manipulation of the truth occurs daily. But societies have their many and their few. In all times and all places, it is the few who rule, and the few who exert dominant influence over what we may call official culture. - All elites take care to manipulate public information to maintain existing structures of power. It's an old game.
America is nominally a republic and free society, but in reality an empire and oligarchy, vaguely aware of its own oppression, within and without. I have used the term "national security state" to describe its structures of power. It is a convenient way to express the military and intelligence communities, as well as the worlds that feed upon them, such as defense contractors and other underground, nebulous entities. Its fundamental traits are secrecy, wealth, independence, power, and duplicity.

Nearly everything of significance undertaken by America's military and intelligence community in the past half-century has occured in secrecy. The undertaking to build an atomic weapon, better known as the Manhattan Project, remains the great model for all subsequent activities. For more than two years, not a single member of Congress even knew about it although its final cost exceeded two billion dollars.

During and after the Second World War, other important projects, such as the development of biological weapons, the importation of Nazi scientists, terminal mind-control experiments, nationwide interception of mail and cable transmissions of an unwitting populace, infiltration of the media and universities, secret coups, secret wars, and assassinations all took place far removed not only from the American public, but from most members of Congress and a few presidents. Indeed, several of the most powerful intelligence agencies were themselves established in secrecy, unknown by the public or Congress for many years.
Since the 1940s, the US Defense and Intelligence establishment has had more money at its disposal than most nations. In addition to official dollars, much of the money is undocumented. From its beginning, the CIA was engaged in a variety of off-the-record "business" activities that generated large sums of cash. The connections of the CIA with global organized crime (and thus de facto with the international narcotics trade) has been well established and documented for many years. - Much of the original money to run the American intelligence community came from very wealthy and established American families, who have long maintained an interest in funding national security operations important to their interests.

In theory, civilian oversight exists over the US national security establishment. The president is the military commander-in-chief. Congress has official oversight over the CIA. The FBI must answer to the Justice Department. In practice, little of this applies. One reason has to do with secrecy. [...]

A chilling example of such independence occurred during the 1950s, when President Eisenhower effectively lost control of the US nuclear arsenal. The situation deteriorated so much that during his final two years in office, Eisenhower asked repeatedly for an audience with the head of Strategic Air Command to learn what America's nuclear retaliatory plan was. What he finally learned in 1960, his final year in office, horrified him: half of the Northern Hemisphere would be obliterated.

If a revered military hero such as Eisenhower could not control America's nuclear arsenal, nor get a straight answer from the Pentagon, how on earth could Presidents Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, or Nixon regarding comparable matters?

Secrecy, wealth and independence add up to power. Through the years, the national security state has gained access to the wrorld's most sophisticated technology sealed off millions of acres of land from public access or scrutiny, acquired unlimited snooping ability within US borders and beyond, conducted overt or clandestine actions against other nations, and prosecuted wars without serious media scrutiny. Domestically, it maintains influence over elected officials and communities hoping for some of the billions of defense dollars. [including scientists, universities, etc.]

Deception is the key element of warfare, and when winning is all that matters, the conventional morality held by ordinary people becomes an impediment. When taken together, the examples of official duplicity form a nearly single totality. They include such choice morsels as the phony war crisis of 1948, the fabricated missile gap claimed by the air force during the 1950s, the carefully managed events leading to the Gulf of Tonkin resolution... [...]

The secrecy stems from a pervasive and fundamental element of life in our world, that those who are at the top of the heap will always take whatever steps are necessary to maintain the status quo.

[S]keptics often ask, "Do you really think the government could hide [anything] for so long?" The question itself reflects ignorance of the reality that secrecy is a way of life in the National Security State. Actually though, the answer is yes, and no.

Yes, in that cover-ups are standard operating procedure, frequently unknown to the public for decades, becoming public knowledge by a mere roll of the dice. But also no, in that ... information has leaked out from the very beginning. It is impossible to shut the lid completely. The key lies in neutralizing and discrediting unwelcomed information, sometimes through official denial, other times through proxies in the media.

[E]vidence [of conspiracy] derived from a grass roots level is unlikely to survive its inevitable conflict with official culture. And acknowledgement about the reality of [conspiracies] will only occur when the official culture deems it worthwhile or necessary to make it. Don't hold your breath.

This is a widespread phenomenon affecting many people, generating high levels of interest, taking place in near-complete secrecy, for purposes unknown, by agencies unknown, with access to incredible resources and technology. A sobering thought and cause for reflection. [Richard Dolan]

Consider this: even if Dolan is writing specifically about America, in a world dominated by the United States, it must be considered that pressures are applied elsewhere from within this "national security state" to comply with the demands of the US.

Now, think about the word "conspiracy" one more time and allow me to emphasize the key point: From a historical point of view, the ONLY reality is that of conspiracy. Secrecy, wealth and independence add up to power. ...Deception is the key element of warfare, (the tool of power elites), and when winning is all that matters, the conventional morality held by ordinary people becomes an impediment. Secrecy stems from a pervasive and fundamental element of life in our world, that those who are at the top of the heap will always take whatever steps are necessary to maintain the status quo.

And maintaining the "status quo" in science HAS to be one of the main objectives of the Power Elite.

And how do they do that? By "Official Culture."

And official culture, understood this way, from the perspective of elite groups wishing to maintain the status quo of their power, means only one thing: COINTELPRO. And here we do not mean the specific FBI program, but the concept of the program, and the likelihood that this has been the mode of controlling human beings for possibly millennia. Certainly, Machiavelli outlined the principles a very long time ago and little has changed since.

The fact is, I like to call it "Cosmic COINTELPRO" to suggest that it is almost a mechanical system that operates based on the psychological nature of human beings, most of whom LIKE to live in denial. After all, "if ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." This is most especially true when we consider the survival instinct of the ego. If the official culture says that there is no Third Man in the room, and if it works through the inculcated belief systems, there is little possibility that the "subject" will be able to see the source of the phenomena in our world. It will always be an "invisible Third Man."

Usually, when we think of COINTELPRO, we think of the most well known and typical activities which include sending anonymous or fictitious letters - which are sometimes later withdrawn with an "apology" after they have already accomplished the goal of destruction; publishing false defamatory or threatening information; forging signatures on fake documents; introducing disruptive and subversive members into organizations to destroy them from within, and so on. Blackmailing insiders in any group to force them to spread false rumors, or to foment factionalism is also common.

What a lot of people don't keep in mind is the fact that COINTELPRO also concentrated on creating bogus organizations and promoting bogus ideas.
In the scientific community, this can work in any numbers of ways, the most common being "proprietary organizations" that fund research that leads nowhere in order to keep someone with promising ideas busy. It is not stretching things to consider that "exciting new ideas" or areas of research might be promoted for the express purpose of vectoring scientists into following false and time-wasting research so as to prevent them making significant breakthroughs. COINTELPRO was also famous for instigation of hostile actions through third parties. According to investigators, these FBI programs were noteworthy because all documents relating to them were stamped "do not file." This meant that they were never filed in the system, and for all intents and purposes, did not exist. This cover was blown after activists broke into an FBI office in Media, Pennsylvania in 1971. What we do not know is how far and wide the practice extends, though we can certainly guess.

There exists in our world today a powerful and dangerous secret cult.

So wrote Victor Marchetti, a former high-ranking CIA official, in his book The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence. This is the first book the U.S. Government ever went to court to censor before publication. In this book, Marchetti tells us that there IS a "Cabal" that rules the world and that its holy men are the clandestine professionals of the Central Intelligence Agency.
In our opinion, the CIA is but one "arm" of the cult, just as Benedictines were but one order of the Catholic Church. To borrow from, and paraphrasing, Marchetti:

This cult is patronized and protected by the highest level government officials in the world. It's membership is composed of those in the power centers of government, industry, commerce, finance, and labor. It manipulates individuals in areas of important public influence - including the academic world and the mass media. The Secret Cult is a global fraternity of a political aristocracy whose purpose is to further the political policies of persons or agencies unknown. It acts covertly and illegally.

The late Jim Keith, one of the foremost writers and researchers on political conspiracy in the wold in recent times wrote in his book, Mass Control:

Agents of the world's elite have been long engaged in a war on the populace of Earth. Greed is the motivation for this war, a greed so pervasive that it encompasses the planet and all of the beings on it, but in recent times a philosophy has been used to justify that greed. It is the philosophy of mass control, that ultimately aims at dictating every aspect of human life - even remolding man's perception of reality and himself.

Remember: those who are at the top of the heap will always take whatever steps are necessary to maintain the status quo. It is obvious that they cannot completely control the propagation of the information assembled here in this timeline and on this website. So, how do they "keep secrets?" They don't. Everyint is right out there in the public domain. Anybody who wants to can do the research we have done and come to the realizations we have in this process. BUT, not everyone is able to withstand the OTHER weapon of Mass Control: Ridicule.

The most effective weapon of COINTELPRO is Ridicule and Debunking. Notice that Marchetti points out that this is done via manipulation of individuals in areas of important public influence - including the academic world and the mass media.

Bottom line is: if you have bought into the emotionally manipulated consensus of "official culture" that there are no conspiracies, that there is no "Third Man," it is very likely that you are being manipulated by fear of ridicule. You are in denial. You have been hypnotized by the suggestions of the holy men of the Secret Cult. And you have chosen to believe them over your own possible observations and senses.

Why is it so that scientists - most particularly physicists and mathematicians of a good and honest disposition - seem to be the ones who most actively resist the very idea that their profession MAY have been taken over and "vectored" by conspirators who do not have humanity's best interests at heart?

Why do scientists - those to whom the power elite MUST look for solutions to their "power problems" - think for one instant that their profession is exempt from conspiratorial manipulation and management?

That just isn't logical, is it?

In the physical sciences, very often machines and instruments are utilized to "take measurements." In order to achieve accuracy with even the most accurately tooled device, certain tests are undertaken to establish the "reading error" of the gadget. What we would like to suggest is that the "official culture" that establishes what may or may not be taken "seriously" is a planned and deliberate "reading error" built into the "machine" of science - our very thinking - the suggestions of the "hypnotist."

William March wrote in The Bad Seed:

[G]ood people are rarely suspicious: they cannot imagine others doing the things they themselves are incapable of doing…

Without a historical context of science, there is little possibility that a sincere scientist - who is generally not much interested in history, based on my own experience - will ever be able to establish the "reading error" of his machine - his thinking.

There are only so many hours in the day, only so many days in the year, and only so many years in the life of a scientist. The amount of study that is necessary to discover the threads of "conspiracy," where they lead to and what they lead away from, is actually overwhelming. I know: I've spent about 30 years doing it. What's more, I began my research from a skeptical point of view that "conspiracy" was paranoid thinking and I was determined to find the way to demonstrate that there was NO conspiracy. Unfortunately, not only did my plan fail - my hypothesis was utterly demolished by the hard facts.

But what I did learn was that finding those "hard facts" was very difficult and time-consuming. And that is deliberate. After all, how good a conspiracy is it if it is so easily discovered? And it is clear that in such a high stakes arena as the Global Control agenda now being overtly pursued by the Bush Reich - after years and years of the "secret science" - whatever conspiracies exist, will be managed with all the resources and power of those elitists who wish to retain control. That is a formidable obstacle.

I would also like to mention the fact that, even though I am the one who has collected and sorted data, my husband, a mathematical physicist, HAS assisted me in analyzing it. At first he did it to humor me. And then, as he applied his knowledge of mathematics to the various problems I brought to him, he began to realize that science CAN be applied to these problems, and once that is done, it strips away the denial mechanism and one is left with the inescapable conclusion that nothing is as it seems and never has been. We live in an ocean of lies, disinformation, manipulation, propaganda, and smokescreens.

Too bad more competent scientists do not bring their skills to the solving of these problems. But that is precisely what the "Secret Cult" does NOT want to happen. And that is precisely WHY the most subtle and far-reaching of the "COINTELPRO" operations have been run on scientists themselves.

The possibility that COINTELPRO is in operation in regards to certain ideas that are being associated with the Bogdanov twins ought not to be taken lightly. Physics and mathematics are the numero uno professions that have been used - historically speaking - to support the power elite. It is logically evident that "they" have a vested interest in making sure that the money goes only to projects that 1) will augment their control; in which case such projects will be buried and no one will know about them; or 2) projects that do not threaten their control, in which case we may assume that they are funding research in the public domain that leads AWAY from the "important" issues.

In short, if it's popular, gets funded, is allowed out in the open, you can almost guarantee that it is smart but useless.

You can take that to the bank.

Here is where we come back to the context. If we take it as an operating hypothesis that there does exist a powerful elite whose interests are served by science, and who have a vested interest in public science never approaching the "secret science," we have adjusted our "machine tolerances" and can look at the problem in a different way.

[snow]

Break the Spell!
by Laura Knight-Jadzcyk

Cosmic COINTELPRO (Counter-Intelligence-Programm) Timeline

The possibility that COINTELPRO is in operation in regards to certain ideas that are being associated with the Bogdanov twins ought not to be taken lightly. Physics and mathematics are the numero uno professions that have been used - historically speaking - to support the power elite. It is logically evident that "they" have a vested interest in making sure that the money goes only to projects that 1) will augment their control; in which case such projects will be buried and no one will know about them; or 2) projects that do not threaten their control, in which case we may assume that they are funding research in the public domain that leads AWAY from the "important" issues.

In short, if it's popular, gets funded, is allowed out in the open, you can almost guarantee that it is smart but useless.

not useless, just not funded for mass culture...which is why we need a savior, eh daniel sacha isaiah cap silentwolf nanouk willoweyes damien et all? this is a board of saviors, surely a couple get the word out. daniel etc.

You can take that to the bank.

Here is where we come back to the context. If we take it as an operating hypothesis that there does exist a powerful elite whose interests are served by science, and who have a vested interest in public science never approaching the "secret science," we have adjusted our "machine tolerances" and can look at the problem in a different way.

if i had not known a man personally, who discovered the iran contra pipeline by himself, and followed the trail all the way through the labyrinth of underworld secret war weapons politics media and control, well, i would have thought he was crazy too, another conspiracist theorist driven mad by the trade. the spy vs sy game is the most deceptive. wheels within wheels, worlds within worlds, madness.

i think that is what people react to, when they hear about conspiracy theory, is the madness of it. driven to madness by the reality of it. If there wanst so much damn human and animal suffering involved in it, i wouldn't even pay attention. but ohhh....the wars and bloodshed and pollution of it all....makes me weep.......

[Isaiah Mpski]

When I was a boy.I inherited my Great Grandfather's library-the white side of the family-who,along with his brother's were medical doctors-Electic's to be exact-in Indian Territory.In Fact GGreat Grandfather Son was Presiden of the Oklahoma Medical Society.
Anyway that was alot of what I read in my youryth.The books he had used in medical school-the 1870,s and there were some things(books) that fascinated me.Books om everything
The di=ag-nosois CONsUMPTION.Like you know ther is somesort of machine in the environment that is consuming the patient.LOL.Tobacco.alchol.sex.

[nyk]

Well, I think what you are writing about is one the pitfalls of the new age arena I'm talking about. I'm not really interested in Beliefs or such, more in the nature of reality, especially beyond the new age slogan of "we're all one and we create all this togther". In a way the new age is becoming a new religion itself where people take on beliefs without questioning.

So you call this crap. How do you know? Becasue you don't believe it or it doesn't fit your version of what is possible/real and what not?

Sure everyhting is one and everything is just a trip we are experiencing, a game we play with ourselves.
However the world as you know it, as it has been taught to us is actually the real conspiracy here and I;m not talning about the last 100 years or so...I'm talking since the existence of man.

I suggest before judging something as crap to do some research and then really explain why it is crap and nonsonse.

Well, I have spent quite a lot of time with this 'crap' and even published
one book about it 14 years ago. I am not saying that there is nothing
occuring outside of us. What I am saying is that most of the 'information'
is nonsense. Pinheads stoking their own fires for a cheap thrill and
feeding each others dementia....hoping to start a wildfire. Like the Falon
guy. Like Hitler.

It's alwasy easy to hide behind the old "we do all of this to ourselves"
Sure, then ,whatever.....nothing really matters then , does it?

For example, it then should be all the Jew's own fault as they created/attracted the holocaust. why keep blaming Hitler? They did it to themselves!

We did do it to ourselves.


See what I mean? These philosophycal "royal flashs" ("we're all one and the world is creation of our Inside") work on some level however, what is else is then to talk about from that point of perspective? They can very easily be taken as an escape from something we need to deal with/confront as well in this state of existence we're in right now.
Facing the darkness inside of us, we need at the same time confront the darkness outside, simply besue it is one and the same. And things are not as pretty as the average new age prophet claims them to be.


Now you are making sense. Just be careful who you listen to and what
you believe in about all of this. You could spend years down blind alleys.
And to what end?


I call this the fundamental new age exit when not willing or wanting to deal with the less pleasent aspects of reality which might put a damper on the world view we have, thinking we have it all figured out why it all is the way it is. Such arrogance and ignorance is the true "evil".

You cannot take full action until you take full responsibility...even if
you are not responsible. That is what I mean about saying it is 'all me'.
You are dumping a bunch of new age nonsense on top of what I stated
simply. My way is the hard way. It is not fluffy and light. It is very hard -
it might even kill you.

[Karyn]

Hi Aquamantar, It is easy to prey on the hypnotized ones. That is why it is important to gain knowledge and develop awareness. A hypnotist looks for the ones in the audience that are most suggestible. These are people who are not willing or just cannot think for themselves. They gave their power away. They hear the voice of an authority and give their will over to them. It is a sad thing to see. I went to a show and the hypnotist told the most suggestible ones that the next day it would continue. The next day they were still under the influence of his commands...doing things against their will. This is what happens when people do not want to think for themselves. The cure is to become more aware. Gain knowledge. Learn how thought forms are created and about the law of attraction. Develop your awareness. Take responsibility for your thinking. Thoughts are things. We create with our attitudes and thoughts. We sow what we reap -is literal. Love, Karyn

[nyk]

And hypnotized by the New World Order, or hypnotized by Falon Gong
still equals hypnotized.

[aquamantar]

Hi Aquamantar, It is easy to prey on the hypnotized ones. That is why it is important to gain knowledge and develop awareness. A hypnotist looks for the ones in the audience that are most suggestible. These are people who are not willing or just cannot think for themselves. They gave their power away. They hear the voice of an authority and give their will over to them. It is a sad thing to see. I went to a show and the hypnotist told the most suggestible ones that the next day it would continue. The next day they were still under the influence of his commands...doing things against their will. This is what happens when people do not want to think for themselves. The cure is to become more aware. Gain knowledge. Learn how thought forms are created and about the law of attraction. Develop your awareness. Take responsibility for your thinking. Thoughts are things. We create with our attitudes and thoughts. We sow what we reap -is literal. Love, Karyn



good point, karyn. It reflects my attitidue to it all. It is true that some peole are more suggestable than others. I also have been swimming in the conspiracy world for over a decade, getting into dead ends, disinformation and amazing revelations.
It's about gaining knoweldge and about seperation truth from lies.
It's not an easy process, because it's not black and white. It's more like milk mixed with water and one needs to separate the milk from the water.

The article about Li I find very intruging and right on. The way I approach any of this kind of material is like this. I read it and keep it in mind, neither denying nor believing it. Then, as I dig down the rabbit hole a bit deeper and compare it to stuff I've come across in the past, I can make a better picture of it. If there are many sources, with no relation to each other, talk about the same thing, I kinda listen up and say, aha, we might be on to something here.

The topic about hyperdimensions and control of humanity through the densities of existence has been something I've come accross many times.
Not only Castaneda talks about it, also Barabra Marciniak in her channeled book "Bringers of the Dawn" (one of the better channel sources out there) brings it up.
I highly recommend this book to anyone. And specifically the material on the Cassiopeae site goes into depth about hyperdimensions, also from a scientific point of view with extensive research.
go here for an index of their research:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_map_qfg.htm
Check out out the Wave series for some ratehr interesting information.

Also this book is quite dense and profound, mostly talking about hyperdimensional manipulation and control of humanity...not an easy read, about 800 pages, based on her resaerch of 30 years:
"The Secret History of the World" by Laura Knight-Jadczyk
http://www.qfgpublishing.com/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=42&reviews_id=25&osCsid=2ceee7118b9c05ac145e827d894707bb


So as I said before, I'm not too interested into Li as a person (especially since the chinese government labeled him as a cult leader...oh boy...I guess they must be right then?) or what other people have to say about him personally.
You will come across the same informtion about the Cassiopaea people, meaning that they are officially being labeled and debunked as a cult.

It's interesting how peole immediatley react to the word "cult" without doing any deeper research about who is being labeled as a cult (and who is the labeler/judge to say so?) and what they really have to say. That is not to say that there are are true cults out there who have just lost it a bit, but the cult-label thingy is being used to any group of people who don't fit into offical culture and status quo, some of them might be just a group of people who discovered soemthing which is a threat to the the "controlled norm".

What I found interesting is what Li had to say, because it reflects much of what I've come across through other sources throughout the years. It's a topic too big to grasp for many people, realizing that humanity might be just another breeding ground for life-forms roaming in other densities and humanity is being distracted purposley from what is really happening.
many new age "love is the answer" bubbles and theories are great excuses not to deal with what is really happening. It's a form of denial and ignorance.

And that's what I go by,t eh content itself, not what wiklipedia or other people (especially governments) have to say about this guy personally in an obvious attempt to debunk anything he has to say.


"And so it was that we gradually became aware of the fact that our approach of evaluating our reality in what amount to Scientific Gnostic terms, which suggests that this world we experience, our normally sensed space-time, is "embedded" in a fifith dimension (and here I use the term as mathematicians use it, NOT as it is used by the so-called "New Age") that is REAL, and our reality may very well be the "battlefield" of denizens of hyperdimensional space-time, is considered to be as dangerous as the ideas of the Gnostics and the Cathars who held similar ideas. That is to say human beings appear to be the "playing pieces" in vast and complex Secret Games of the Gods, and our actions or lack of action may represent the moves and maneuvers of said denizens of hyperdimensional space who, it seems, most desperately do NOT want us to unite in our awareness of their existence, and who exert great effort to confuse and obfuscate humanity to that end. Because certainly, if we really discover the proof of their existence, and their games, we will stop playing."
- http://www.cassiopaea.org



"And what’s more, this science was brought here by extraterrestrials. What is their goal, then? They systematically brought to the human race subjects such as mathematics, physics, and chemistry. Then in your body and mind, the frame of thinking that they wanted has formed. Nowadays, production and tools of labor, forms of work, daily necessities, as well as ways of life brought about by science have shaped man’s ways of thinking and all of his behavior. This has fully formed the mindset that makes up warped modern man. Nowadays, almost everyone is like that.

They all have thoughts shaped by extraterrestrials, and no one is able to get away from it since everything you encounter was brought about by modern science. It seizes every opportunity, so every part of
your life is inseparable from science. Consequently, your mind has formed a way of thinking and mentality based on an understanding of the material world—an outward appearance that modern science has created.

It’s also a layer of particles. Your behavior is dictated by your mind. Then, the things you operate, the vehicles you drive—all the things you do—were all brought about by science. Thus, a layer of particles was formed in both the human body and mind. The science that was brought
to human beings by extraterrestrials has formed a layer of particles belonging to their science.

This is exactly the systematic arrangement made by the extraterrestrials in order to acquire the bodies of human beings. Thus, as you might know, science takes advantage of the desires people have, and human
beings’ desires drive them to progress as they do. Whenever someone raises doubts about today’s science, it often brings opposition from scientists. Human beings don’t realize that this kind of intolerance towards questioning is itself the result of science."
- Li Hongzh



"I want to appeal to your analytical mind, ' don Juan said. 'Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradiction between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behavior. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal.'

"'But how can they do this, don Juan?' I asked, somehow angered further by what he was saying. 'Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?'

"'No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!' don Juan said, smiling. 'They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver - stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now."
- "The Active Side Of Infinity" Castaneda




"The ultimate tyranny in a society is not control by martial law. It is control by the psychological manipulation of consciousness, through which reality is defined so that those who exist within it do not even realize that they are in prison. They do not even realize that there is something outside of where they exist. We represent what is outside of what you have been taught exists. It is where you sometimes venture and where we want you to dwell; it is outside of where society has told you you can live.
You have been controlled like sheep in a pen by those who think they own you — from the government to the 'World Management Team' to those in space. You have been deprived of knowledge by frequency control. Think of frequency as individual broadcasting and receiving through which you dial into the station of your choice. It is the broadcasting of carrier waves of intelligence. The range of frequency is unlimited, and the range of intelligent matter transmitted is unlimited.

The countdown during this fleeting moment of time is known by many. The 'World Management Team' who currently influences your planet is composed of of a cluster of families, a few thousand people in number. They rule the industries of banking, media, education, and the distribution of knowledge all over your globe, and it is they, a handful of people, who challenge your freedom. They are connected through their thoughts to other entities, just as you are. The difference is they know it, and you do not for the most part, so they use their tools and techniques to connect you to the entities that they wish to feed.
The idea of invisible vampires is not unknown. Remember the Gods take all forms, and they come in to teach you and to fulfill their own destiny, which is to learn. How you learn and what lessons you attract in living will be determined by how quickly you learn the lessons in front of you right now."
- "Bringers of the Dawn" Barbara Marciniak




"Knowledge is the key to unlocking our potential. It gives us the self-determination, responsibility, and power necessary to cast off the chains of covert oppression. Knowledge is therefore the greatest protector, for it also gives us foresight to impeccably handle the challenges of life and, most importantly, to sidestep the traps on the path to awakening. The more you know of higher truths and apply what you know, the more you begin operating under higher laws that transcend the limitations of the lower."
- from http://www.montalk.net

[drew hempel]

Hey NYK -- what book did you publish about this stuff? thanks, drew

[aquamantar]

Hey NYK -- what book did you publish about this stuff? thanks, drew

I'd also like to know....especially in regards to hyperdimensions and the effects of other densities and beings on this 3D reality.
I'm not talking about the obvious conspiracies like JFK or 9/11 or any other "political" every-day conspiracies, which every kid on myspace knows about by now.
I'm more interested in the whole "set-up" of humanity....which of course brings in the question of evolution and if anyone or anything had its hand in there.

If anyone can show to me that hyperdimensional conspiracy/control is crap, I'm more willing to listen, however the material that speaks for it is quite overwhelming and needs to be considered carefully before coming to any hasty conclusions.

[nyk]

"Knowledge is the key to unlocking our potential. It gives us the self-determination, responsibility, and power necessary to cast off the chains of covert oppression. Knowledge is therefore the greatest protector, for it also gives us foresight to impeccably handle the challenges of life and, most importantly, to sidestep the traps on the path to awakening. The more you know of higher truths and apply what you know, the more you begin operating under higher laws that transcend the limitations of the lower."


Do you really think that they did not cover their tracks? Do you really
think that they did not anticipate that people would 'figure out what is
really going on'....and that they did not provision for that eventuality?
Castaneda was perhaps the closest to understanding it. Oh, but what
to do, what to do? Carlitos died in bed watching war movies.:p

[aquamantar]

Do you really think that they did not cover their tracks? Do you really
think that they did not anticipate that people would 'figure out what is
really going on'....and that they did not provision for that eventuality?
Castaneda was perhaps the closest to understanding it. Oh, but what
to do, what to do? Carlitos died in bed watching war movies.:p


Maybe if you'd do some research in that field you'd answer your own questions. I posted enough material that talks all about that. I'm not here to spoon-feed anyone.
.....and maybe "they" count exactly on reactions to that topic as as most people show: denial, ignorace, arrogance and lack of knowledge of the deeper aspects of reality......and that's how "they" get away with it.....becasue most people "live in a hypnotic trance, taking to be reality what is instead a twisted simulacrum of reality, a collective dream in which values are inverted, lies are taken as truth, and tyranny is accepted as security." or as Marciniak writes:
"The ultimate tyranny in a society is not control by martial law. It is control by the psychological manipulation of consciousness, through which reality is defined so that those who exist within it do not even realize that they are in prison."

So far it looks like "they" covered their tracks very well, don't you think?.....considering how long humanity has existed with these nonsense belief systems and institutions such as religions, nations, governments, public education, science, etc....all of it very obvioulsy designed to control and confuse mankind, certainly not to liberate and enhance growth/spirituality, but keep them in line like sheep in a herd, systematically suppressing anything that hints to the truth of what is going on.........but then again, most people justify it all by saying, "oh well, it's just the way it is and always has been", not even realizing that there is way more to reality than what they see and have been told/taught. And so the people of the world police each other, keep each other in line, by ridiculing/debunking anyone who questions offcial culture. Most people are like robots, repeating what they are being spoon-fed through education, media, parents, government, etc., not questioning it at all, especially when it is concerned the less pleasent aspects of reality..........because everyone is too busy "making a living" and very dependent on the "system", so they really don't want the system to change at all, becasue it would mean they'd have to look into the depth of their own souls and question their beliefs they've clinged to for all their lifes. It can be a shock toi anyone to realize that whatever they believed and though to be true are just lies designed to keep humanity on the lower frequencies of existense.

That's how they get away with it. Keep people pre-occupied, so they have no time/energy to dig a bit deeper.
Persoanlly I think it's a genius set-up. Kudos and much respect!
The movie "The Matrix" is quite insightful when thinking about hyperdimensional control.

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth."
- Morpheus

"Denial is the most predictable of all human responses."
-The Architect

"The bigger the lie, the more people believe it."
Adolf Hitler


Anyway........what book did you publish again?
I'm just curious.

[drew hempel]

rodney Needham proved that Carlos Castenada (sp.?) lifted his material from a German author who had published a 1950s book about going to Japan to study Zen.

So Castaneda is FICTION -- he was a fraud. Maybe he did tons of drugs and maybe he used good source material.

Other than that I doubt the guy knew much. His writing got worse and worse in my opinion. His first book was kinda cool.

[Karyn]

I used to post on a extraterrestrial site and describe all of my experiences with Beings. I could not stay there because people were not really interested in understanding -they had a more "us against them" attitude. I love the Beings. They are just like us. There is the good the bad and the ugly. What is the difference in attracting a human parasite into your life verses an extraterrestrial one? The same law applies. Like attracts like and the energy of a victim calls out for a Tyrant. At the bottom of it all is lack of knowledge and understanding -on both sides. The clearing method I use corrects misperception. It is not a battle it is a correction of misperception--with knowledge.
Love, Karyn

[aquamantar]

rodney Needham proved that Carlos Castenada (sp.?) lifted his material from a German author who had published a 1950s book about going to Japan to study Zen.

So Castaneda is FICTION -- he was a fraud. Maybe he did tons of drugs and maybe he used good source material.

Other than that I doubt the guy knew much. His writing got worse and worse in my opinion. His first book was kinda cool.


Funny actually I tought his last books were giving a better insights.
I didn't care for his frist book that much.
As I stated at the beginning:" I don't really care if Castaneda's Don Juan was "real" or not. That's not the point of his work. What really matters are the insights and messages, some of them quite profound and right on.......i"

He hit the nail on many things, in particular about hyperdimensions. You can cross-reference it with other works as well. Besides the sources I mentioned above, Gurdjieff and Ouspensky's work is actually quite similar to Castaneda's.
Castaneda is just more appealing to the mainstream/new age crowd since he put it out in this neat little story. And I still doubt that most people understood what hew was actually conveying........consciously or unconsciously.



KARYN, yes of course there are benevolent beings all around us. I meet them every day, in my meditaions, dreams and every once in a while in my DMT, ayahuasca or psilocybin experiences.
Their presence is beautiful and sometimes quite overwhelming. They have shown me many things and gave me amazing insights into myself and the world we live in.

However, I was more in particular talking about how hyperdimensional beings have influenced this reality and our evolution for their own purpose/gain and who not very much concerned about our well-being.

Again, it comes down to the question of evolution. Did we really just evolve from the ape like it was a biological accident, Darwin style or did the monkeys started eating mushrooms? Terence McKenna style?
I don't know. There is something quite supsicious about it all and especially about humanity and the way we live and are disconnected from nature and spirit.

Michael Tsarion talks about DNA manipulation (the "Fall from Eden") through extraterrestials as well in his material:
http://www.taroscopes.com/highwindowsarticles/shiva-holyspirit-ageofaquarius.html


"It took man over a million years to progress from using stones as he found them to the realization that they could be chipped and flaked to better purpose. It then took another 500,000 years before Neanderthal man mastered the concept of stone tools, and a further 50,000 years before crops were cultivated and metallurgy was discovered. Hence, by all scales of evolutionary reckoning, we should still be as far removed from any basic understanding of mathematics, engineering or science - But here we are, only 7,000 years later, landing probes on Mars…So, how did we inherit wisdom, and from whom?" - Laurence Gardner

[nyk]

Karyn-

I don't know about you, but I am about thru with dumb hominids who
terrorize themselves and just do not want to hear anything otherwise.
What do you think? Let me know.

Love
-nyk

[Karyn]

The Annunaki. We are the incarnating Annunaki . We have their genetics. Same issues. We are here to conquer ourselves. We are controllers just like they are. They look just like us- but larger. The one I saw looked just like the actor Ernest Borgnine. We were face to face and discovered that we are the same inside. We both had the same power of God within us. Very enlightening experience for both of us. Love, Karyn

[Karyn]

Karyn-

I don't know about you, but I am about thru with dumb hominids who
terrorize themselves and just do not want to hear anything otherwise.
What do you think? Let me know.

Love
-nyk

I think it all boils down to experience. Experience is needed to really understand and know. Love, Karyn

[drew hempel]

Laurence Gardner -- the Dragon Court dude? He's totally evil!

http://www.geocities.com/newworldorder_themovie/dragoncourt.html

[aquamantar]

Hey NYK!

I don't know who you call dumb, but it's an interesting way to discuss this topic.
You know, we're all one, so I guess you call yourself dumb?:skeptic:
Does that imply that you think you're smarter than the ones you call dumb?
:hmm:

It seems that you are more the one who doesn't want to listen to anything which doesn't fit into your view of reality (where you apparently have it all figured out)

What for are you in this or any forum to begin with if you already know it all and you had it with dumb hominids? Please enlighten me!
I'm listening.
So far you haven't said anything what I haven't heard before.

Interestingly you keep ignoring Drew's and mine question about your published book? Why is that?

Where is it? And what did you write about?

So, again NYK, any link to your published book would help.
Or maybe just an excerpt from a chapter?


It seems more like that you terrorize yourself by being frustrated with dumb hominids who are just mirrors of yourself. How come you're frustrated?
With all your knowledge, insight and wisdom you should be floating like an angel in complete bliss. Remember, you do it all to yourself.
So why blame dumb humanoids for your frustration?

I'm pretty happy and content with my life, enjoying what I do and I love to dig down the rabbit hole, learning more about myself and other beings, good and bad that inhibit this universe throughout the densities and dimensions and I love to talk about it all to other people. It's just all very fascinating and fun to me. And yes, ultimately we're all one, even you and me, dear NYK.....:-)

No need to get frustrated.
Breathe.
Relax
Hit the bowl or smoke some DMT.
It's always a good reminder.
..and have patience with them dumb hominids. They are trying hard to reach the level you are at.


...still waiting for that book link.:rolleyes:
maybe it helps to enlighten the dumb hominids.

[aquamantar]

I think it all boils down to experience. Experience is needed to really understand and know. Love, Karyn


Very true!
Knowledge without application and experience is rather useless.

DMT and Ayahuasca has helped me tremendously to experience what I used to only grasp intellectually.

[aquamantar]

The Annunaki. We are the incarnating Annunaki . We have their genetics. Same issues. We are here to conquer ourselves. We are controllers just like they are. They look just like us- but larger. The one I saw looked just like the actor Ernest Borgnine. We were face to face and discovered that we are the same inside. We both had the same power of God within us. Very enlightening experience for both of us. Love, Karyn


I really hope you don't reference to Sitchin's work.
There are way too many holes and made up theories in his books.

Please write more about that experience you had in detail.
I'm curious to know.
thank you!

[aquamantar]

Laurence Gardner -- the Dragon Court dude? He's totally evil!

http://www.geocities.com/newworldorder_themovie/dragoncourt.html

what do you think of Michael Tsarion?

[drew hempel]

As he links to Jim Marrs and David Icke, etc., he's basically a spin-off of their work.

The whole problem with these guys is they don't really tell you what to do. David Icke just says "choose" to be free, basically.

There's no real critical analysis -- the old school conspiracists are real scholarly -- stuff that can be used in lawsuits to get real information:

John Judge

Mae Brussel

Kenn Thomas

http://paranoiamagazine.com is pretty good.

Leonard Horowitz is cool.

The problem with coast to coast is that it's constantly promoting the E.T. Invasion -- when in fact that's what the CIA wants us to believe.

At this this Michael dude quotes from the Stargate Conspiracy -- that's one of my favorite books!

I've researched the UFO thing immensely and I even had a close encounter with a big black, flat triangle accompanied by its plasma sphere propulsion.

Anyway UFOs are military and the CIA is trying to keep people dependent on the technology.

I'm sitting in full-lotus right now -- otherwise I wouldn't use a computer.

No phone, no car, etc.

I promote "the natural resonance revolution" -- http://drewhempel.gnn.tv is my old blog. http://nonduality.com/hempel.htm gets you to my masters thesis via my conspiracy analysis.

I believe in dialog and I've done a lot of real, concrete, radical activism -- getting real policy changes.

It's easy to say the illuminati controls things but to change things there has to be focused research to pinpoint the problem.

Greg Palast is great as well -- he's often on http://www.gnn.tv/ where I used to blog.

I promote "the small universe" practice -- and tai chi --

Basically if people in Africa are going without food and water for a week at a time then we should be able to as well.

How? Trance dance!

[aquamantar]

great post drew!
thanks for your links!

I agree with you on all these guys.

You are right on about Coast to Coast. It is very much CIA sponsored.

I'm reading "The Stargate Conspiracy" right now. Amazing research!

Do you really think ALL UFO sightings of the world (not only USA) are military?


"It's easy to say the illuminati controls things but to change things there has to be focused research to pinpoint the problem."

I very much agree.
The guys from http://www.cassiopaea.org and http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/signs.php are doing great work in that regard.

I practice Tai Qi as well (combined with some Qi Gong and Yoga every morning under the trees next to my house). I live in nature (Topanga)....can't take the city energy/frequency. Still got my car and phone though. It's what I need for my work and house calls:
http://www.bernhardguenther.com

I have some blogs about various topics (entheogens, sex, pleiadians and more....) at:
http://www.myspace.com/bguenther
or http://people.tribe.net/aquamantar
same stuff, different friends......

Peace.

[aquamantar]

this forum is also very good:
http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/index.php

It's a no bullshit place. Be prepared to back up any of your claims/posts/ideas/beliefs, etc........most of the people on there have done their homework.

[Charlie]

KARYN, yes of course there are benevolent beings all around us. I meet them every day, in my meditaions, dreams and every once in a while in my DMT, ayahuasca or psilocybin experiences.
Their presence is beautiful and sometimes quite overwhelming. They have shown me many things and gave me amazing insights into myself and the world we live in.


This is my experience as well, it’s what got me interested in quantum physics. Science may be a religion, but at least it´s a quantifiable one.

I believe the Mayans disovered hyperdimensional wormholes through star-fix vectoring, but that’s just a personal hunch. I think science will eventually rediscover this, through mathematical formulations that will "tune in" these extradimensional frequencies.

Although I think NYK was unduly harsh, I agree that you would be better served by concentrating your energies on the positive aspects of any lessons gleaned from your extra-dimensional encounters.

A cosmic consciousness exists which supercedes any individual, insidious intelligence. Just walk into a forest, clear your mind and breathe deeply.

I saw an old tv interview with John Lennon. It was during the John/Yoko bed-in protest; a haughty british reporter was grilling him. At one point she asked (paraphrasing), “Do you have the gall to think you’re really affected anything? That you can affect public policy?”

Lennon was caught offguard by the question; he stammered a lame reply, which I don´t recall. It was a rigged question, since any affirmative answer would have made him appear egotistical. Since that interview some thirty years ago, how many people have been affected and inspired by the song “Imagine”?

Saying the word “Peace” while feeling it in your heart reverberates throughout the universe. This is where we should be concentrating our energies.

[Karyn]

I really hope you don't reference to Sitchin's work.
There are way too many holes and made up theories in his books.

Please write more about that experience you had in detail.
I'm curious to know.
thank you!

My experiences are based on the teachings of this school:
www.bota.org (Try not be turned off by the words religion- worship-and Jehovah) and also my class with a student of this school: www.ramtha.com.
I have read "A Course in Miracles" the unedited version is better "Jesus' Course in Miracles". I'v read the teachings of Joel Goldsmith - Ramtha books and tapes. This is what I love. Occult and mystical studies. But the top of the list is the mystery school teachings. First I gain the knowledge and if I have an experience based on that knowledge- that is how I know it as a truth.
Love, Karyn

[Karyn]

"Quantum Physics is the holy rite" -Ramtha
My clearing method is based on quantum physics. It works so it must be true. It takes an interdimensional mind to have contact. The mind of a mystic. A mystic knows we are One. There really is only One and we are the many points of consciousness of the One. Love, Karyn

[nyk]

You know, I have been feeling like Ernest Borgnine lately.

http://www.filmreference.com/images/sjff_03_img0970.jpg

[Karyn]

No! No!
Not that Ernest!! The one from McHale's navy.

[nyk]

Here is the book I am reading right now.

http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/30/b4/8dfea2c008a0c8b6f5077010._AA240_.L.jpg

[drew hempel]

Ah so maybe you didn't publish a book after all? haha. I've exchanged a few emails with Dr. Anders Sandberg, the Oxford University faculty researcher and chair of the Transhumanists of Sweden. haha.

Anyway glad to see that someone else reading The Stargate Conspiracy!

I read one scholarly book a day.

http://ctrl.org is a great conspiracy site as it http://sinisterforces.info

Channeling is fraught with fraud! You can't fake the full-lotus! haha.

Tantra is greatly misunderstood. Internal multiple orgasms for men happens through the Full-Lotus! haha.

[aquamantar]

Although I think NYK was unduly harsh, I agree that you would be better served by concentrating your energies on the positive aspects of any lessons gleaned from your extra-dimensional encounters.


I undedrstnd and I agrre with what your'e saying Charlie.
However I don't see any of what I've been describing in terms of hyperdimensional control as negative, bad or scary. It just IS.

When becoming more aware and rasing one's consciousness, one automatically becomes aware of all aspects of reality. Only the ego judges it as negative or positive, being lost in duality.

I certainly think it's on of the big lies and pitfalls of the new ager who only wants to focus on the "positive" and ignore aspects of reality which he/she thinks are not so pleasant. It's a form of denial and also entails not really grasping the nature of reality. By looking away soemthing doesn't just go away, but by looking at it, by making it aware/conscious, it can be transformed and ligth can shine on to it. Its very much like the Heisenberger Uncertainty Pricniple in Quantum Physics, that something changes the second you look at it/bring it into awareness.

Many new agers believe that just by focusing on love and light and ignoring anything "negative" they will only experience pleasant and "positive" things.
Well, those people should take a course in 101 psychology and the nature of reality. Carl Jung is brilliant in that regard, as he truly understood the danger of not confronting our inner and the outer darknness.
By not dealing with the shadow, the shadow becomes darker and denser. It won't go away, but gain more momentum and power and it will/is/has been playing out its effects in ths world, in this density and in others.

My psychedelic journeys have also taught me that. Whenever I encounter something "unpleasent" and "scary", I look at it with my full attention, experiencing what my psyche needed to experience in order to let go and heal. Then the drak transforms into light.
Ayahuasca is very powerful in that regard. Here is a little report on that:
http://people.tribe.net/aquamantar/blog/ebf48d89-2476-478a-bc00-1635748b4d13

That is true healing, not by ignoring it or hiding in a bubble of love, which is very much like denial and doesn't change really anything. It keeps the shadow in place and it won't go away until dealt with it consciously, personally and collectively, this density and others.

Carl Jung said it best in this quote:
"One doesn't become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious."

Dark and light are both aspects of reality which need to be looked at conscioulsy, to see things as they ARE, not as we like them to be according to some new age beliefs (which are soemtimes just as disillusional as any christian or dogmatic religious belief). To step beyond duality one needs to make both conscious without judgment. One cannot step beyond duality if only focsuing on on easpect of the coin. The other part is alwasy there and either we heal it and transform it by making it conscious and aware, or we hide it, ignore it and it will play out its shadow in neurotic ways, as it has done already when you look at the world.

The new agers and hippies of the world who don't want to deal with the "negativity" and "darker" apects of reality are actually feeding these things and giving it more power through their own denial. That fact combined with some poweful new age beliefs based on Disinformation (especially some of the crappy new age channelling where people just swallow anything without questioning) works in favor to keep the "darkness" in place.
It's actually quite funny how that works. Out of my own experience, new agers and people who call themselves "evolved" and "aware" or "smarter" are soemtimes more deluded and ignorant than the regular joe who has no idea about the "new age stuff". A lot of new agers also portray a sense of superiority, of "knowing better" than the rest. (hello nyk?...(-: ) It's very similar to the fundamental christian mindset who also think they have figured it all out and see the rest of humanity as poor ignorant people who are just lost. I call them the FNA : Fundamental New Agers. No difference to the fundamental Christian Mindset, just differernt masks/packaging.

In the end nothing is really scary or neagtive. People are just afraid of the Unknown. But you won't know that until you look at it, as it IS.

The guys from TOOL, one of the few bands who are aware of the deeper aspects of reality, wrote a great song about evolution, inspired by Carl Jung's teaching. It reminds me very much of some of my early entheogenic experiences (in particular on 5g of psilocybin mushrooms in a dark room by myself for the sole purpose/intention of healing.......that's about 8 years ago) when confronting my own shadow in order to release it and move on.....it was the most horrofying and eventually most blissfull experience ever. Like Luke in Star Wars (great mythology!), one needs to confront the dark side in order to reach the light, make it cosncious, aware and look at it.


"My shadow's shedding skin I've been picking my scabs again.
I've been crawling on my belly clearing out what could've been I've been wallowing in my own chaotic and insecure delusions.

I wanna feel the change consume me, feel the outside turning in.
I wanna feel the metamorphosis and cleansing I've endured within my shadow. Change is coming. Now is my time. Listen to my muscle memory.
Contemplate what I've been clinging to. Forty-six and two ahead of me.

I choose to live and to grow, take and give and to move, learn and love and to cry, kill and die and to be paranoid and to lie, hate and fear and to do what it takes to move through.
I choose to live and to lie, kill and give and to die, learn and love and to do what it takes to step through.

See my shadow changing, stretching up and over me soften this old armor. hoping I can clear the way by stepping through my shadow, coming out the other side. Step into the shadow. Forty six and two are just ahead of me."

-TOOL "46&2"

[nyk]

Ah so maybe you didn't publish a book after all? haha. I've exchanged a few emails with Dr. Anders Sandberg, the Oxford University faculty researcher and chair of the Transhumanists of Sweden. haha...

Yeah well you didn't answer my question about buddha balls!!!

[nyk]

...It's actually quite funny how that works. Out of my own experience, new agers and people who call themselves "evolved" and "aware" or "smarter" are soemtimes more deluded and ignorant than the regular joe who has no idea about the "new age stuff". A lot of new agers also portray a sense of superiority, of "knowing better" than the rest. (hello nyk?...(-: ) It's very similar to the fundamental christian mindset who also think they have figured it all out and see the rest of humanity as poor ignorant people who are just lost. I call them the FNA : Fundamental New Agers. No difference to the fundamental Christian Mindset, just differernt masks/packaging.

And who here is the know-it-all? You are full of it Bernie. And you are
also as new age as they get. Looking at the Shadow is not the same
as making it conscious. But unfortunately you have a purely new age
apprehension of dimensions and light and dark and anything I have to
say about it just doesn't register with you. And I cannot hold a conver-
sation with someone who is bulldozering me into association with
concepts that I have not advocated and have no affinity for in the
first place.

[aquamantar]

And who here is the know-it-all? You are full of it Bernie. And you are
also as new age as they get. Looking at the Shadow is not the same
as making it conscious. But unfortunately you have a purely new age
apprehension of dimensions and light and dark and anything I have to
say about it just doesn't register with you. And I cannot hold a conver-
sation with someone who is bulldozering me into association with
concepts that I have not advocated and have no affinity for in the
first place.

hey nyk, I never claimed to know it all, nor did I call you or anyone dumb.
I'm just exploring, looking at it all, without denying any aspect of reality. It's all us, you and me anyway, the dark and the light stuff.
You put yourself into that corner, buddy, even to that extent that you lied about having published a book. What was that all about and where did that came from?
I suggest for a heavy dose a mushrooms for you or any entheogenic experience that will shatter your ego into pieces, 'cause lying about a non-existing pusblished book is very much ego-based, don't you think?



"Looking at the Shadow is not the same as making it conscious."
Please elaborate on this a bit.


"But unfortunately you have a purely new age apprehension of dimensions and light and dark and anything I have to say about it just doesn't register with you."
Please explain what you mean by me having a PURELY new age apprehension of dimensions and light.
Also please remind me of what you were saying. So far you haven't said much, besides claiming that we are all doing everything to ourselves (duhhh! thank you for stating the obvious!) and claiming to have published a book which was never published or written.
You are bit of an angry little troll who needs apperantly to lie in order to make a point.


"And I cannot hold a conver-
sation with someone who is bulldozering me into association with
concepts that I have not advocated and have no affinity for in the
first place."

I didn't bulldoze you into any association. If you identify yourself with what I wrote than it is obviously your problem. All I said in regards to you was in respect to what you said of "having had it with dumb hominids".
That statement seems obviously based on some sort of superior complex sprinkled with a bit of anger/frustration and a non-existing published book (which shold have given me the impression that you know all about what I talked about alreday.......sorry to say that failed). You might want to explore a bit deeper inside yourself where all this frustration and need to lie is coming from.
Don't blame me. As you said we're doing it all to ourselves. So why then, dear nyk, are you doing all this to yourself?
And what else have you lied about in order to portray this image of yours, I wonder?
:rolleyes:

[drew hempel]

NYK -- you obviously haven't read "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" trans. by Charles Luk have you? To suck the balls back into the body is not till the very end of the book.

I think it was demonstrated once in a "deadly venoms" flick though. haha.

So now your turn -- what book did you publish? If you don't want to answer just say so! That's fine by me. It's just strange to make a claim and then refuse to give the information -- it displays a certain arrogance on your part and lack of dialog.

That's a typical egotistical tactic that some of my friends do -- drop a little information and then expect you to ask questions about it and then never answer --

leading you on and on -- that's called "playing games." It's a typical American thing to do btw.

Also it shows a certain sophmorish attitude about information.

[nyk]

NYK -- you obviously haven't read "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" trans. by Charles Luk have you? To suck the balls back into the body is not till the very end of the book.

I think it was demonstrated once in a "deadly venoms" flick though. haha.

So now your turn -- what book did you publish? If you don't want to answer just say so! That's fine by me. It's just strange to make a claim and then refuse to give the information -- it displays a certain arrogance on your part and lack of dialog.

That's a typical egotistical tactic that some of my friends do -- drop a little information and then expect you to ask questions about it and then never answer --

leading you on and on -- that's called "playing games." It's a typical American thing to do btw.

Also it shows a certain sophmorish attitude about information.

Actually I did read that book. And you still haven't answered my
question - have you gotten to the 'end of the book'?!

I'll email you the title in private if you promise to keep it to yourself first.
Arrogance? Of course. Without arrogance what would I have?! ;)

You guys were leading yourselves on. I could care less about that book I
wrote. My entire point was that I was heavily involved in research. Period.

[Karyn]

These are very interesting conversations. That is true about facing the shadow side but you have to realize that that means facing our own issues. I know very few people that realize that the shadow side info is about conquering their issues. They like to believe that their is a force outside of themselves that they are the victim of ....like that silly stuff about Reptilians. They are fighting their own inner demons. I found a lot of ridiculous stuff like this on-line. There are malevolent Beings but they are not the cause they are the effect of humanity not looking inside of self and conquering their issues. Or else they are a perfect mirror. One or the other.
Love, Karyn

[Karyn]

NYK -- you obviously haven't read "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" trans. by Charles Luk have you? To suck the balls back into the body is not till the very end of the book.



Hi Drew, To suck the balls back into the body!! What! Has Charles Luk done this and is this supposed to be proof of something? Please explain. I have never heard of anything like this before....And what happens to the woman practicing this? Does she grow balls? Please... enlighten me.
Love, Karyn

[daniel]

If "samsara is nirvana," then all that really is, is "being, consciousness, bliss." Everything, whether apparently light or dark, benevolent or malevolent, is ultimately part of the same nondual flow - no need to identify or attach to any of it.

[Karyn]

Please write more about that experience you had in detail.
I'm curious to know.
thank you!

Hi Aquamantar here is an e-mail I saved regarding my experience with the Anunnaki. I posted the info below:

> > Hi PQ,
> > You seem to know and understand the workings of quantum physics. You
> > already understand then that it is the Observer within you that
> > creates reality. We see what we expect to see based on our belief
> > systems. It is Law. Do you know why it is law. Because God is within
> > you. God as prime Creator is within you. Primary Consciousness is
> > within you.= the Prime Creator is within you. -When you are in
> > Observer you are one with Primary Consciousness. It is the part of you
> > that watches you. There is no emotion or judgment in this state of
> > deep mind focus. I use this state of mind to remove attachments from
> > myself and my friends. I can even remove Beings who believe they are
> > the Prime Creator. Yes in the state of Observer using the energy
> > commands--calling together opposites etc.. quantum physics I have
> > removed a Being that thought it was God the almighty. A Being is an
> > entity with a soul just like you and me. It may be in a faster time
> > but the law of quantum physics operates in all times. That is why
> > Ramtha calls Quantum Physics the holy rite. This is what I have
> > learned and it has shown me results. If you believe that there is a
> > hierarchy -- that God is outside of you- you are operating under a
> > limiting paradigim. But that is the programming here. I am still
> > clearing myself of the belief system that God is outside of me. I do a
> > practice where I place a glass of red wine to the frontal lobe and
> > ask the Lord God of my being to place templates and holograms of
> > knowledge to download into my brain all the way to point zero-Primary
> > Consciousness. Just last week I realized I was not thinking of the God
> > within but calling to God up in the sky. Ha! See it is the programming
> > here and we are born with the genetics that believe in a God outside
> > of ourselves. This happened again on another occasion when I was
> > reading the book "The Power of the Now" and I starting reaching
> > outside again but was corrected by a "Remember God is Within" The
> > Beings that believe in the hierarchy are only mistaken. They are not
> > evil. They believe and what you believe becomes your reality- even the
> > Beings in faster time. I was face to face with a Being in a faster
> > time. This Being was a controller. He was shocked to see a human
> > without fear. And then he found a little black spot of fear on my
> > being and touched it with a mental projection. Seeing a Being face to
> > face was unusual for me so at first I was a little afraid but I was
> > more curious then afraid and we sized each other up and we admired
> > each other because we realized we are equals. We realized we both had
> > the same power within. So it was surprise and then admiration and then
> > I thought of the intrusion on my being. I looked down at where he was
> > extending a black projection to poke my small block which appeared as
> > a small black hole. I was angry at this and told him that he had
> > crossed the line of respect. We are equals and he crossed the line of
> > respect. I thought of the quantum physics energy commands and he
> > disappeared immediately. I felt that it was not an intentional attack
> > on my person just a misunderstanding on his part. There are Beings
> > that do not understand that we are all equal. We are all God. I felt
> > that this was his programming and his understanding was corrected by
> > the experience. They believe they are our Gods and we believe we are
> > their subjects. We both are only manifesting our belief systems and
> > there is no one to blame. We are all learning and we are all Brothers.
> > I hope I have answered your questions....We put ourselves here. There
> > is no one to blame. The realization that God is within and we are one
> > is all it takes. The events will adjust to the new Paradigm.
> > Love, Karen

[nyk]

Here is my realization, for better or worse, concerning the 'alien issue'. I
prefer to keep it as basic and non-referential as possible.

Humans are organically affliliated with Terra. In otherwords, not an alien
organism.

Humans are not psychologically native to Terra. We have an alien
intelligence.

And hence, what we call a human is not just a hominid and not just an
extraterrestrial. It is a hybrid. And it is in the midst of a hybridization
process. That was rather dramatically illustrated to me by not watching
television at all for about 6 years and then fairly recently tuning into
it a bit here and there to see what was up these days....

Almost digressed there. Now here is the crux of what I apprehend. The
hominid is on one time line, moving from what we call the past, into the
future. The alien, on the other hand, is moving backwards in time, from
the future into the past. The point of contact (in the past) was perhaps
400 thousand years ago, give or take. The intervening years are an
overlap and synthesis of the two forms of consciousnesses.

So, when we speak of dualities, well we really are dual beings. Above:
alien. Below: ape. The alien reaches down. The ape reaches up.

I believe we are manouvering into some kind of balance between the
two forms of consciousness and also of time. What direction would
that be? Perpendicular to the original two.

At least that is my rather simplistic resolution to this business.

[nyk]

....To suck the balls back into the body!! What! Has Charles Luk done this and is this supposed to be proof of something? Please explain. I have never heard of anything like this before....And what happens to the woman practicing this? Does she grow balls? Please... enlighten me.

It's not exactly a common practice in the colonies Karyn. As for women,
it appears to me that they seem to be inclined to leave their balls (ovaries)
right where they are.

But then, I don't get out much. There could be all kinds of variables
underway that I haven't seen yet.

[nyk]

If "samsara is nirvana," then all that really is, is "being, consciousness, bliss." Everything, whether apparently light or dark, benevolent or malevolent, is ultimately part of the same nondual flow - no need to identify or attach to any of it.

I think we utilize dualities to propel ourselves thru experiences. The
'samsara is nirvana' is perhaps a virtual nexus (or potentiality) that forms
between dual aspects of reality; past and future, night and day, male and
female, alien and ape. I think we do have to identify with these dualities...
but, we also have to learn to acquire some satisfactory mien that
has mobility and evolutionary mutability.

[Tree]

would it be foolish of me to ask why the hell anyone would want to suck their balls up inside themselves?

[nyk]

"Looking at the Shadow is not the same as making it conscious."
Please elaborate on this a bit.

In aikido this is called 'irimi'. We enter into and become that which we
face. This is at once a physical orientation and also a psychological one.
Within reason of course.

[nanouk]

A cosmic consciousness exists which supercedes any individual, insidious intelligence. Just walk into a forest, clear your mind and breathe deeply.

I saw an old tv interview with John Lennon. It was during the John/Yoko bed-in protest; a haughty british reporter was grilling him. At one point she asked (paraphrasing), “Do you have the gall to think you’re really affected anything? That you can affect public policy?”

Lennon was caught offguard by the question; he stammered a lame reply, which I don´t recall. It was a rigged question, since any affirmative answer would have made him appear egotistical. Since that interview some thirty years ago, how many people have been affected and inspired by the song “Imagine”?

Saying the word “Peace” while feeling it in your heart reverberates throughout the universe. This is where we should be concentrating our energies.

.....i would just like to utter two words of symbolic significance: Ouroboros, Coyote...anyone?

...read or heard the story of Coyote chasing His tail, to Eternity? ...or...

...or the ancient symbol of Ouroboros, the Great World Serpent/Dragon, which controls our Mind, and we will enter the gap between mouth and tail at Winter(or Summer in the Southern hemisphere) Solstice in 2012. The Gateway to the Stars according to Inca, Mayan and Toltec Astronomical and Mythological systemic belief...The Gap in the Milky Way...

I have spent a few weeks reading a thesis, which i find/found profound, in a "primary" way, and it is covering all aspects of the birth of timekeeping, culture, existentialism, gender technology, supremacist mentality among human(oids), and it is faaaar more educating than any Full Lotus Zen Master, Sumerian Incarnation Theory or Quetz avatar...

"Religious conceptions of divinity rest on the notion of a gulf between humans and the supernatural world. “The gods” do find earthly embodiment in their shamanic or priestly representatives, but they are themselves of another order. At first sight, it may seem that our model would not predict this. It presents a picture in which no-one acknowledges any transcendental power. A person is what he or she is; people cannot be “representative” of a power transcending themselves or emanating from the skies.

Looked at more carefully, however, it can be seen that this is not quite true. It was noted above that the menstrual sex strike does transcend the power and the identity of physical individuals. Women in their sex-striking role do represent more than themselves. They may not be priestesses, but each is certainly the representative of an overriding social power. If the sex strike can extend indefinitely – if in principle it is as omnipresent as is menstrual synchrony or the moon’s light itself – then in embodying this power, each woman in her own person “stands for” something transcendental in its scope. She stands for her sisters, who may be potentially limitless in number. And if men respect this power, then although they acknowledge no divinity, there is present at least something of the formal structure of many of the world’s traditions of religious deference to “higher beings”.

Let us re-examine the characteristics of these women. What powers do they really possess? And in what respects do these powers resemble those which, in more developed, complex social systems, will become thought of as those of “the gods”?

These women cannot magically strike men dead – but they can certainly exclude them from sex. To the extent that this is the case, men can be rendered..."

MENSTRUATION
AND THE
ORIGINS OF CULTURE, A reconsideration
of Lévi-Strauss’s work
on symbolism and myth
Chris Knight, 1987
Thesis submitted for the degree of
Doctor of Philosophy
University College London (http://homepages.uel.ac.uk/C.Knight/chris_phdfinalrevised.doc)

(i have quietly read this thread for a little while, and i feel maybe we are going ahead of ourselves here, i'd rather be a human soul and learn from previous experiences, than flatter myself with being some Outer-worldly Be-ing...This Planet works for me! ;) )

Peace, Love and Respect,
~N~

[sidecross]

"...These women cannot magically strike men dead – but they can certainly exclude them from sex. To the extent that this is the case, men can be rendered..."

They might not 'strike men dead', but certainly no man or woman could exist without mitochondria which only women can pass on to their off spring.

[Karyn]

I think we utilize dualities to propel ourselves thru experiences. The
'samsara is nirvana' is perhaps a virtual nexus (or potentiality) that forms
between dual aspects of reality; past and future, night and day, male and
female, alien and ape. I think we do have to identify with these dualities...
but, we also have to learn to acquire some satisfactory mien that
has mobility and evolutionary mutability.

I had the experience of coming back from the future. I was disappointed with this experience because I was in a ship that had technology. Why couldn't I do this with my mind? The answer I believe ....(it is just coming to me now) is in order to be an interdimensional Being one needs to experience being one with everything. You can't really be one with everything unless you become it. In other words you don't "really" know something unless you have been it. We did not only want to create the physical but also experience what it is like to be physical. So we are God as the Source of everything and the Son as the creator and experiencer of every-thing . Without us -
as the subjective part that experiences- there would only be God as just Being ...no experience and no-things to experience..like trying to suck in your balls ..What fun! Or trying to make the physical vehicle younger. Just some thoughts. Love, Karyn

[nanouk]

"...These women cannot magically strike men dead – but they can certainly exclude them from sex. To the extent that this is the case, men can be rendered..."

They might not 'strike men dead', but certainly no man or woman could exist without mitochondria which only women can pass on to their off spring.

Dear sidecross,

maybe i shouldn't have cut the quote from the thesis short where i did...the subject of the matter is of a more psychological nature, the obvious physical we know, no reproduction without erm, reproduction...

you are yourself interested in evolution and social history, this is covering totems, taboos, reptilian and primate functions versus rational and moral behaviour...etc. you stated that you read a lot online, give this one a try! :)
it covers most indigenous cultures...and their enveloping of the natural cycles into belief systems:

"“The sun is always the same, always itself, never in any sense ‘becoming’. The moon, on the other hand, is a body which waxes, wanes and disappears, a body whose existence is subject to the universal law of becoming, of birth and death.... But this ‘death’ is followed by rebirth: the ‘new moon’...

This perpetual return to its beginnings, and this ever-recurring cycle make the moon the heavenly body above all others concerned with the rhythms of life. It is not surprising, then, that it governs all those spheres of nature that fall under the law of recurring cycles....

from the earliest times.... the same symbolism has linked together the moon, the sea waters, rain, the fertility of women and of animals, plant life, man’s destiny after death and the ceremonies of initiation....”

To Eliade’s findings, we may add one vital extra ingredient. Rebirth may be conceived not only as emergence into new life but – in many instances – as entry into the life or identity of an opponent or counterpart. The Self is metamorphosed into the Other and the Other back into the Self, just as full moon is metamorphosed into dark and dark back into full:

The Moon (Mweri-Matunda, Creator of Living Things.

Matunda is....said to be either bisexual or one of a pair of twins, and is sometimes said to have married his sister because there was no one else. In his aspect of the White Matunda, he controls the cycle of....fertility, including the dry season rituals, all starting at the new Moon (? white) and reaching a climax of rejoicing at the full Moon (white-red). When the crescent Moon rises, the senior woman of the homestead goes out to address it, asking it to cure all children’s diseases, to tell all men to enter their wives’ houses, and all women to conceive. "

Love and Respect,
~n~

[sidecross]

Thank you nanouk it does sound like something worth my time.

[drew hempel]

I have no private messages so maybe your email didn't work. Send it again please.

As I stated previously I got to chapter six in Taoist Yoga -- that's in practice! Of course I read the whole book.

I'm sitting in full-lotus right now btw. Anyway the person who shot energy into my brain, Master Chunyi Lin, he went 40 days without food and water -- by sitting in full-lotus.

speaking of which, when the body gets cancer it reverts to creating energy through hydrogen (which bypasses the mitochondria I think -- or kills it at least!).

Anyway if you switch to relying on the emptiness (the Eternal Feminine) then men can create free energy (and women).

Master Effie P. Chow is the best-known qigong master in the U.S. -- her book "Miracle Healing from China" is awesome.

The main issue is transforming emotions -- so for men it's mainly lust since genetically they're supposed to hunt to women for reproduction. For women -- maybe it's lust as well.

In fact that's really how precognition works as well -- whatever we desire that message is sent back to the Formless Awareness (the Eternal Feminine) and then resonates back to us.

Depending on how strong our desire is, the result comes sooner or later. Most people desire fairly mundane things.

For example three days ago I was reading Dr. Leonard Horowitz' new book "DNA: Pirates of the Sacred Spiral" (2004) -- it's genius stuff.

He talks about how the ATP generation for energy switches to relying on fermentation instead of oxidation -- and this leads to cancer.

I didn't know that humans can produce energy through fermentation and I didn't understand the details -- since Horowitz really didn't go into it.

so I never said "oh great emptiness give me this information" -- I just wanted to know.

Sure enough last night I'm reading "Life's Solution' by Simon Conway Morris (Cambridge U Press, 2003) -- it's a really great

evolutionary paleobiology book -- awesome stuff.

Suddenly he talks about how worms in the deep ocean can live off hydrogen even though they need oxygen -- because they have a certain bacteria in them.

Then he states how mammals can live off hydrogen too and some do this through fermentation -- like cows.

He gave the enzyme that enables this for cows -- so I checked Horowitz (after I made the connection while meditating).

sure enough it's the same enzyme that enables humans to create energy through fermentation (and thereby kill their mitochondria and get cancer).

The whole way to avoid that problem is to maintain enough electromagnetic fields through the body -- so that the body creates bioluminesence.

This is done by Tai Chi -- by increasing potassium -- by the "small universe" exercise, etc.

Anyway I was just banned from http://pharyngula.org because I posted a top math prof article -- ian Stewart-- on how "randomness" is a lie!

That really pissed off the NeoDarwinians -- PZ Myers (professor) who worships Richard Dawkins.

So this new book by Simon Conway Morris is all about how random mutations are a lie and how life on earth is not an accident and how the NeoDarwinians are crazy.

pretty cool since this dude is a Professor at Cambridge, Fellow of the Royal Society, etc.

[nyk]

I had the experience of coming back from the future. I was disappointed with this experience because I was in a ship that had technology. Why couldn't I do this with my mind?...

Our bodies are technology too. If we want to get around, then we are
always going to have to have something to get around in (or with).

[aquamantar]

great posts everyone!
Interesting views.
Finally we got the ball rolling.......

[aquamantar]

Here is my realization, for better or worse, concerning the 'alien issue'. I
prefer to keep it as basic and non-referential as possible.

Humans are organically affliliated with Terra. In otherwords, not an alien
organism.

Humans are not psychologically native to Terra. We have an alien
intelligence.

And hence, what we call a human is not just a hominid and not just an
extraterrestrial. It is a hybrid.....


Well said.
That's the way I see it as well.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

drew, what's your view of the view of the world of richard dawkins? i know the science-is-a-method-not-a-lotus-position thing, but, i mean, do you believe he actually sees some kind of justifiable-to-use-in-communicating-emotion "spirit" in nature (or the mind), at all?

nyk, as in, when you have an outer body experience, right? and you have audile and visual and all the rest of the sensations of being whatever gross or subtle "object" you might identify with, you still believe that these sensations are ultimately still facilitated with-in the brain?

it's always being wonderous to me how sight only half the time have anything to do with the eyes. yet cognitive computing is still happening within our brain-mind, but drawing from source unknown or sometimes not so unknown.

but yes, i'm not either one of those let's-rid-ourselves-of-the-ghastly-bodies make-believers, but actually thought that you were, kinda... :o

you're still talking collective transcendence but without the merging into a giant Blob of Everybody, mmm, yes? :skeptic:

[drew hempel]

Richard Dawkins is a closeted Freemason. He believes in Buckminster Fuller's tetrahedrons to create asymmetrical silica-based A.I. Dawkins pretends to be a rabid atheist -- so much so that he's more religious than most Christians.

Science is a religion -- Freemasonry.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

Here is my realization, for better or worse, concerning the 'alien issue'. I
prefer to keep it as basic and non-referential as possible.

Humans are organically affliliated with Terra. In otherwords, not an alien
organism.

Humans are not psychologically native to Terra. We have an alien
intelligence.

And hence, what we call a human is not just a hominid and not just an
extraterrestrial. It is a hybrid. And it is in the midst of a hybridization
process. That was rather dramatically illustrated to me by not watching
television at all for about 6 years and then fairly recently tuning into
it a bit here and there to see what was up these days....

Almost digressed there. Now here is the crux of what I apprehend. The
hominid is on one time line, moving from what we call the past, into the
future. The alien, on the other hand, is moving backwards in time, from
the future into the past. The point of contact (in the past) was perhaps
400 thousand years ago, give or take. The intervening years are an
overlap and synthesis of the two forms of consciousnesses.

So, when we speak of dualities, well we really are dual beings. Above:
alien. Below: ape. The alien reaches down. The ape reaches up.

I believe we are manouvering into some kind of balance between the
two forms of consciousness and also of time. What direction would
that be? Perpendicular to the original two.

At least that is my rather simplistic resolution to this business.

this is really cool, nyk..

it's also more or less how i am coming to understand the meaning of this alien sense of the self. and it is not in any way meaning alienated ina depressed or confused manner, it simply means that it parts in such a great way, and can encompass such radically different suchnesses than what we feel (eeh..) goes on in the rest of nature.

[nyk]

Yep. I am an ape and an alien. Now that that's settled I can move on
to whatever the heck is next.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

eat, sleep and shipbuilding?

[drew hempel]

E.T. is just a projection of our reptilian brain. If you can't flex your pineal gland then you're probably going to project this repression of your true self. The cerebellum has a cortex with 75% the surface area of the cerebral cortex.

Ever heard of the cerebellum cortex? Didn't think so. Read Stan Gooch for further details. He's working on a new book by the way.

[nanouk]

Ever heard of the cerebellum cortex? Didn't think so. Read Stan Gooch for further details. He's working on a new book by the way.

You are not the only lad/lass that went to school and absorbed information around here, i dunno, there are some really big headed Ego's around lately, i wasn't aware that BOTH was a breeding ground for superiority masters?

:rolleyes:

Everyone (most people) knows what the little brain is, and definately know how to use it, it is part of our automatic function as mammalswe have no choice, and blessed be the adults that let it work hard as we grow up!

[drew hempel]

I learned how to "flex" my pineal gland after spending many months training from a Chinese qigong master who sat in a cave in full-lotus with no food and no water for 40 days.

Master Chunyi Lin can change wine into water and vice versa, heal paralysis, deafness, etc.

He can levitate -- just like E.T.

So I'm talking about choosing to flex the pineal gland -- and feeling the pineal gland immediately. This causes a blissful magnetic force that then changes the automatic nervous system -- you can feel heat immediately spread throughout the body -- all the way to the toes.

Mantak Chia calls this the "inner smile" -- literally our inner ear was the jaw of the reptilian brain!

So when our inner ear -- through ultrasound luminesence -- opens up the pineal gland -- then we can literally smile with the jaws of the pineal gland!

It's kinda crazy! haha.

Back to my data entry job. Don't worry -- I'm just a burn-out kinda dude! haha.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Waht do you think two hundred hours of insulin coma-and two hunderd hours of ect's would do to Juan's CC.
Well of course.Make him think he IS the crucified Messiah being woke back up.
Much Love Nanouk.
Hope things are going well with you and yours
You are such a bright light to this board.Be thankful for your children and all you have.

JS

[craazyman]

I don't know much about ET but I heard a guy on the radio the other night who'd been abducted way too often over a decade or so and finally had enough and he sat up one night drinking vodka with a loaded handgun just waiting for the little fukkers to start buzzing his head before they came through the wall and sure enough when they came through the wall he was going to blow them away and when he started buzzing and they came through and he aimed at the first guy's big old head on his thin little pencil neck but for some reason he couldn't pull the trigger and they told him telepathically that's why they chose him 'cause he's not a killer and I thought right then thats why I've never been abducted 'cause if they came through my wall especially after I'd been drinking I'd sure as hell blow them away and I'd probably have grey alien slime all over the room like I'd squashed a slug on the sidewalk and tried to scrape it off my shoe so I'm glad I'm not the abjucted type because it would be very hard to explain just what made the mess and I'd rather see them fly by and wave, thank you.,

[drew hempel]

Of course what powers our reptilain E.T. self is the jizzem (sp?) -- jizzum? Gizzum? shit. anyway you know what I'm talking about.

Yeah so you "blow a load" and.... well you just killed that E.T. didn't cha? Alien Slime all over the place ... don't them e.t.s get cha?! haha

Next patient......

[nyk]

eat, sleep and shipbuilding?

And raiding and lovemaking. But no lotus. I'm a Viking. I don't do lotus.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

you're a viking too? cool.. where is that beach you live on?

i was once born dead on a lotus, but that was in a dream and i was 16... still felt like electricity for a week afterwards...

jism.

[Karyn]

Our bodies are technology too. If we want to get around, then we are
always going to have to have something to get around in (or with).

Hi Nyk, Your post reminds me of something. I remember clearing myself with a real powerful intent once because I was suffering emotionally. It was ruining my peace. So even though it was something I wanted -I knew peace was more important so using my will and intent I did a clearing on myself. A good one. In the early morning when I awoke I expected to feel the longing and it was gone. The attachment was gone I forgot that I had cleared it. I was half in and half out of sleep when I saw myself as very tiny. This is my higher mind and she is angry. I am standing in my own brain. I see something that looks like a worm. Uck!! it is ugly but I see my little bossy self pick it up and say "Who did this?" "Who interfered with my creation?" And she is screwing it back in. On close examination of this worm I see metal--technology in the center surrounded by organic material. At that point I realized that that worm is actually a neuron. The little me -which is actually me in a faster time because we are smaller in the higher frequencies- is calling and waiting to see who has unplugged the creation from my brain. I (little me) was expecting to see a large entity knowing if I ask "Who did this?' that they have to show up on this level. No one showed up and I saw the tiny me realize "I did this myself with the clearing work last night!. That's when I woke up and did the clearing over again because I saw myself screw it back in. -Your post reminded me of this. I am also remembering what I have read that first there is the crystal. The first plane is the mineral plane and then the vegetable and then the animal and then human. I saw that in the neuron I was holding. It looked like technology in the center. I don't really understand it but I know it is part of the physical. Love, Karyn

[Karyn]

E.T. is just a projection of our reptilian brain. If you can't flex your pineal gland then you're probably going to project this repression of your true self. The cerebellum has a cortex with 75% the surface area of the cerebral cortex.

Ever heard of the cerebellum cortex? Didn't think so. Read Stan Gooch for further details. He's working on a new book by the way.

Hi Drew, My first ET contact was with a Reptilian like Being. He felt good to me and my friends...all except one who thought this was a devil. We thought of this Being and his group as friends but my friend had what she calls a psychic attack from them. I think this happened because she was afraid and we were not. I also had the experience of experiencing becoming Reptilian at my desk at work during a week in higher consciousness. My neck clicked when I turned it and I was growling a very deep growl that came from a lower area of the throat then normal and my walk changed like a lizards walk. I just allowed this experience and watched myself. I knew I was experiencing a past life...a past embodiment. It felt like me. The Soul contains the wisdom of all past life experience. This Reptilian part of myself was looking for astral parasites to attack. I shifted in and out of this Reptilian state when needed. Once even shifting into this and stalking the aisles of the local drug store! It was a crazy but very enlightening week. I was experiencing all I had been in my Souls embodiments and this one is mild compared to a few others. Because I have had this experience I am looking on-line but all I see are people thinking they are being attacked by these Beings. But that has not been my experience. Love, Karyn

[drew hempel]

Yeah last night I got home and sat in full-lotus to burn off the bizarre discussions I had with the Leftists at a local bookstore -- old dudes and one boxer-recovering alcoholic and a crazy Green party dude.

I dreamt of this huge spirit, twice as tall as a tree, but it was clear and chasing this boy-type person. Can't remember his name but the name was there -- of the person being chased.

It was no big deal. Energy just flows like a water fall. Most of nature self-replicates.

All parthenogensis happens from superconducting resonance of electrons -- electricity of spiralling opposites.

It all comes out of the Eternal Feminine -- so even Reptilians have a Heart-Mind that once killed is just like Kali, the Cosmic Destroyer, chopping off their heads in frenzic bliss and then starting time over in reverse.

[nyk]

I am sure glad I don't live in minneapolis.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

full-lotus, now, nyk, asap!

[drew hempel]

You two are also "boy-type person"

[Caprinardo Delirio]

incommensurable from nothing, bitch!

[nyk]

sucking balls
grape honey
orangutan
farting walls
minneapolis
banned
lotus


i can't wait to grow up!

[drew hempel]

Farting walls? haha -- I almost died last night from my gas and then the old man was sitting in the bathtub, as he does everymorning, swishing water around and being a basic old white male idiot, while I have this mountainload coming out my backside.

I almost went on the hood of his hilarious purple car but instead barely made it to a local cafe. Wow -- what an explusion that was! Now I sit in full-lotus bliss.