In my back pocket, the good and forgotten

[cosmoz]

I finished breaking open the head this morning in the early hours, I was gripped by the last section, about Daniels reflections smoking DMT.
I found this book incredibly easy to read, As he weaves his own story with that of the history of Entheogens.
I found Daniels Skeptism quite appropriate for the subject matter, but alas he like the rest of us, have come to understand that we are dealing with powers beyond yonder as i like to say.

Many people will read this book and come away with the taste of DMT lingering in thier mouths, or a thirst to try it.

Myself, Im on a search for DIPT now, and its strange entities.
Daniel seems well travelled, and i found his tales utterly amazing.
He truly has been as i like to say " scared sacred!".

Although i found his book well researched, I found that he missed in my mynd some important things and people who should have been mentioned.
Whether Daniel knows about these things i don't know.
The first thing i noticed was his disdain for the Hippy culutere of the sixties,
He completely fails to mention the Greateful Dead. Who began the Group ACID tests, all night spy parties, which turned into the Rave culture it is today.
The Grateful Dead were not just Rainbow Teddy bears and Hugs, they embodied
something that cannot be put to words. I personally missed the whole thing, but after listening to hundreds of live bootlegs, spanning the thirty year trip, they were truly the first to explore group entheogenic tryps.
And they deserve due credit, as well as Stanley Owsley the 3rd, better known as bear, the famous LSD chemist who funded the dead, and provided quality LSD for the masses.
Daniel mentions Leary, yet like others, seems to dismiss him as a nut.
When in reality, if you ever have read "Neuropolique" or any of his other out of print books, his ideas were way beyond the times, and his "Leary /Theory" of 8 circuts, is apparently still in use today in psycology. Recently, i heard that some of Stephen hawkins papers were revealed to contain his ideas which mirror Leary's exactly, and i feel that Although leary was somewhat of a mad man, his genius will live on.

Daniel as well fails to mention anything about John Lilly, who pioneered the Sensory dep tank, and was one of the first researchers who took LSD the furthest. As well as Ketamine which has completly blown my mynd.

The other person he fails to mention is DM Turner, who published "The essential psychedelic guide" and as well wrote the most extensive research EVER on Salvia. As well as combinations.

Other than these misses, Breaking Open the Head remains in my back pocket for another read, right away.
thanks Daniel.

[drew hempel]

Greatful Dead -- they worked for Cointelpro I thought.

Yep -- http://www.subgenius.com/subg-digest/v0/0235.html

FBI loves drugs!

[sidecross]

Greatful Dead -- they worked for Cointelpro I thought.

Yep -- http://www.subgenius.com/subg-digest/v0/0235.html

FBI loves drugs!


drew you bring so much baggage it is no telling which side you are on; if you are not a counter-counter spy then you fit a Tom Wolfe character from The Bonfire of the Vanities as a ‘Master of the Universe.:p

[drew hempel]

I guess "googling" is "baggage"?! haha. Here's Freedom of Information Action FBI files -- there's 12 on the Grateful Dead so maybe that will confirm that Christic Institute FBI memoranda on Jerry Garcia working for the FBI. I couldn't open them so maybe you can cut and paste or something...
http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps6218/foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex.htm

[sidecross]

I guess "googling" is "baggage"?! haha. Here's Freedom of Information Action FBI files -- there's 12 on the Grateful Dead so maybe that will confirm that Christic Institute FBI memoranda on Jerry Garcia working for the FBI. I couldn't open them so maybe you can cut and paste or something...
http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps6218/foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex.htm


Come on drew you can think better than that; The CIA or military intelligence could easily plant ‘information’ that could be released in a ‘Freedom of Information’ finding that someone could ‘goggle’ in order destroy a dead man’s reputation.

[drew hempel]

A friend of mine, Sarah Jane Olson, aka Kathleen Soliah, is doing hard time after being set-up by the FBI Cointelpro's creation of the S.L.A. Unfortunately cointelpro was never shut-down. I've done a lot of activism and have another friend who was spied on by a paid-informant girlfriend!! I, myself, have been "interviewed" by FBI undercover street agents (not suprisingly since I was protesting the FBI office in Minneapolis!).

The CIA would not need to create fake documents -- the CIA probably provided LSD to the Grateful Dead. There's a lot of good information on this background of the CIA setting up the whole Haight-Asbury scene.

The book "American Mafia" by Thomas Rappetto is an excellent foray into the larger context of the FBI. I mean the FBI tried to steal all the credit from the Treasury Dept for any crackdowns on the Mafia. In fact the FBI was created through a contradiction of means -- as a sort of fallout measure from congressional deadlock. The FBI has no real purpose except to serve as a political police.

The CIA DOES have a large domestic operations division -- even though this supposedly violates its charter. Can't remember the book's name that gives the details on that but I can visualize it's location in the U-MN Wilson library. It's also cited by Sherman Skolnick who was an expert on CIA domestic operations.

Yeah I actually looked up the NY Times index listing cited in this link (reporting Robert Kennedy's expose of CIA fronts funding fake activism and counter-culture stuff -- like Abbie Hoffman!):
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/cia_fronts.html

[drew hempel]

WOW -- this column by the recently passed Skolnick is a total whopper! He goes way into the nitty-gritty detail about the FBI-CIA dynamics over putting down activism. http://www.rense.com/general8/slolnickspy.htm

[cosmoz]

the GD were CIA, are you for real ?

thats the most rediculaz thing ive ever heard of.

they grounded the light while Vietnam was at its height.

The "wall of sound" was a listening device i guess as well eh?

[drew hempel]

As per google:

Which member of the Grateful Dead family participated as a volunteer in the CIA-funded experiments involving the use of LSD? Obscure Grateful Dead Trivia (ashlybug)


Robert Hunter. Hunter, along with novelist Ken Kesey, were paid volunteers in the CIA's project MK-ULTRA.

[Dna]

But that does not mean that the GD were CAI. One member just participated in some CIA-funded experimental program. No conspiracy. Just coincidence.

[drew hempel]

Right -- The CIA supplies the Acid and the Jerry Garcia supplies the FBI with information while another bandmember gets paid by the CIA.

Just a coincidence that the FBI and CIA are both working the Grateful Dead angle I guess. That's called "triangulation" -- the opposite of coincidence.

http://www.amazon.com/Acid-Dreams-Complete-History-Sixties/dp/0802130623/sr=1-1/qid=1168216986/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-5946177-5389638?ie=UTF8&s=books

[cosmoz]

Before LSD was illegal alot of folks back then were turning on i beleive at stanford. Robert Hunter who created some of the most beautiful lyrics of all time in my world, may have unknowningly participated in goverment sponsered LSD research.

the grateful Dead started it.

A little Dead triva for ya, the boys were smoking DMT together when Jerry opened up a funk and Wagner dictionary and the words GRATEFUL DEAD just stood out while everything else dissapeared. And that was that.
A Dmt trip...........cool. from the Jerry autobiography by Blair Jackson...

" it was sometime in november 1965 while the band and a few friends were sitting around Phils apt on high street in Palo Alto, smoking DMT and thumbing through a Funk and Wagners gargantuan dictionary, that the groups name was revealed...(cue biblical trumpets) As Jerry said in his oft-quoted description. 'It was one of those moments, y'know like everything else on the page went blank, diffuse, just sort of Oozed away, and ther was GRATEFUL DEAD.Big black letters edged all around in gold, man, blasting out at me, such a stunning combination. So i said 'How bout Grateful Dead?' and that was that."

Reprinted without permission
from "Garcia" an American Life
viking publishers, copywrite 1999.
blair Jackson.


Cosmoz

[sidecross]

LSD-25 did not become illegal until after 1966. I was fortunate enough to obtain pharmaceutical LSD-25 and took it 5 times in the 400 to 500 mcg dose in ’65 & ‘66

Most street LSD was in the range of 80 mcg. I have yet to meet anyone who has ‘taken hundreds of trips on LSD’ who can verify their dose.

I admit to be falling short in comparison to some of the well known pioneers of LSD, but 5 doses for me in the dose I described is still being digested and processed by myself to this day.

I am a heavy user of cannabis and live a reclusive life; I know no one any longer who could provide and verify the purity of LSD. I am none the less very grateful to have been able to take LSD-25 in what I consider a meaningful dose those many years ago.

[cosmoz]

Out of the 7 billion folks on the planet someone is bound to be making LSD.

LSD changed my life when i was a fourteen year old jehovahs Wittness kid., I ate 10 hits of still soaking blotter, i guess youll have to take my word for that it was definitly LSD and well, I can tell you one thing, i never went back to that crockpot religion EVER again. It was the third time i ate it. I just had this feeling i really wanted to see what this stuff could do, i felt its magic,,,and i new it would change my life, and it did.
Then i met Dimethyltryptamine and well, that was even a better way of contacting them. It was like the perfect frequency. Actually IT IS the perfect frequency.

Just Wonder.
cosmoz

[drew hempel]

I just sit in full-lotus. It's free and has endless potential. For example you state "frequency" but that's a Western concept based on logarithmic time!

I know two people who did a ton of LSD. One is dead from brain cancer -- aged 24 or so. The other just survived brain cancer. I know another heavy user who is now totally disfunctional -- just screams all day while on disability. I lived with similar people at Hampshire college -- my whole dorm hall would drop acid on anyone's birthday.

Look at Ram Dass's guru -- Baba -- something. I read the biography of him -- it's totally awesome! Anyway Richard Alpert, like the rest of the early users, were supplied by the NUMBER ONE BUYER OF LSD: THE CIA.

Alpert, then, saw this man take something like a dozen hits and was completely unaffected.

He was a yoga master.

[cosmoz]

This is getting off topic.
I will post my reply in the Psychedelic section, Yoga eh?

[drew hempel]

Well science is my drug. It's the most complex myth of our times and enables successful navigation of this trip called life.

[brock]

I just sit in full-lotus. It's free and has endless potential. For example you state "frequency" but that's a Western concept based on logarithmic time!

I know two people who did a ton of LSD. One is dead from brain cancer -- aged 24 or so. The other just survived brain cancer. I know another heavy user who is now totally disfunctional -- just screams all day while on disability. I lived with similar people at Hampshire college -- my whole dorm hall would drop acid on anyone's birthday.

Look at Ram Dass's guru -- Baba -- something. I read the biography of him -- it's totally awesome! Anyway Richard Alpert, like the rest of the early users, were supplied by the NUMBER ONE BUYER OF LSD: THE CIA.

Alpert, then, saw this man take something like a dozen hits and was completely unaffected.

He was a yoga master.
first of all i know thousands of people who have taken spectacular amounts of lsd and lived to ripe old age or are still alive and brilliant.quit w' the fearmongering please. there is absolutely no trustworthy evidence labratory or empirical that even suggests clean lsd is poisonous to your brain.
secondly ,yes the cia were the the first folks using L. yes robert hunter and ken did cia L at stanford university. the grateful dead and the merry pranksters came years later.
now did jerry sell out on some level, maybe, but lets think. what service w' jerry actually have provided for them? in his position i can't imagine what that would be. by telling kids L is cool? well L is cool . my take is that alot of what the cia thought L could do for Them backfired cuz L is untamable and blows different folks open in differnet and unpredictable ways.
although if you want to trip down this paranoid path..: ) listen or read robert hunters lyrics that jerry sang for the song U.S. Blues..it kinda tells us they were bought unless some supple thinker can describe those lyrics in anothr way

[Isaiah Mpski]

...follow me...:D

"Life is an illusion" or was it of illusion.My memory is gittin bad.

joel walsh of the 1960's.

[suebee]

my maserati does 185. i love that song.

lsd was mass produced by owlsey-cannot recall his first name-in berkeley; he bought scientific grade lysergic acid in 1964 or whenever and the grateful dead and most everyone else in s.f. at the time got it from him. he supplied everyone at the monterey pop festival in 1967 - fans and players. (i wasnt there). it was completely available to kids in bay area schools in the late 60's.

ive told drew but he will not be convinced that no one has gotten brain cancer from lsd.

[willoweyes]

i missed this thread somehow--maybe when i was still pondering my dog's navel.

in any event, i love you all, and if i don't make it back from this looming ride on my neighbor's spoiled colt--well, today is a good day to die.

and i've loved every minute of the ride.