Alien adbuctee podcast

[Humming]

Hey I just listened to this interview with an abductee and it blew my mind. The man is an attorney and very lucid and intelligent. He does not seem like the type to exaggerate or confuse a story.

His story is quite fascinating and has brought up some strange feelings for me because I have had experiences in my dreams that are very similar to what he describes that he experienced while being abducted.

Another interest of note to people on this board is that the man makes some claims and suggestions that support the conclusions that Daniel came to about aliens in "2012", such as the idea that these entities are not extra-terrestrial, but rather inter-dimensional, that they manipulate humans through fear, and that they are trying to understand humans by triggering their emotional responses.

http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode2mp3%20.html

http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/mp3files/lowbandwidth/episode2low.mp3

[Dna]

Blew my mind too.

Do you think GWB is listening to such voices? Has he been seduced by some 'psycho-spiritual rap'?

Will post it on my site.

Dna.

[Dna]

Actually, this cross-checks with some of what Graham Hancock ( http://www.grahamhancock.com/ ) says in his latest book, 'Supernatural', which talks a lot about the alien phenomenon.

If you haven't got the book yet, you might do well to start with the interview posted here on Conscious Media Network: http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/ghancock.htm

On one of his Ayahuasca journeys in the Amazon, Hancock saw a 'grey'.

I can't recommend the Conscious Media Network site highly enough. There a great many interesting heads interviewed there. See this link for the list: http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/home.htm . Scroll down a bit - and the list is there.

Best,

Dna.

[daniel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVf34XQtBfo&eurl=

Dan Akroyd's new doc on ufos.

[graffitirun]

no coneheads....

?:errf:

interesting, amazing
beldar on the move

[Lowlight]

Has anyone ever heard the recording of that guy who phoned Art Bell's radio show concerning his experience at area 51. sounds like crap until you hear the actual recording. I swear that if that guy was lying then he is hands down, legs tied, and gagged, the best ator in world history. There is an edited version of it at the Tool's lateralus album.

[craazyman]

Yes it's interesting how most of these folks are totally mainstream with no symptoms of any mental illness. The late John Mack, the author and Harvard psychiatrist, chronicled that pattern in his books about the phenomenon. Tragic how it can destroy people's lives. In a way, I'm glad I'm a blockhead who probably doesn't interest these beings very much.

[Dna]

In a way, I'm glad I'm a blockhead who probably doesn't interest these beings very much.

LOL. Me too. I should think I'd be scared to bits if I met one of those greys on a dark night!

Funny though. I remember a dream I had when I was 4 years old. I was travelling in an old-time steam train through the desert, like you see in a western movie. All the passengers were dressed in the late 19th century costume of the time. The only thing was that their heads were like gourds, with a thin neck expanding out to the top of the head and with no facial features at all, just a few wrinkles. It gave me the willies.

Maybe that was some kind of encounter, maybe not.

Peace,

Dna.

[Dna]

Lowlight: Has anyone ever heard the recording of that guy who phoned....

http://www.metatech.org/Art_Bell_Area_51_aliens_audio_tape.html

[Humming]

Yes it's interesting how most of these folks are totally mainstream with no symptoms of any mental illness.

These people are not mentally ill. They're not lying either.

Take a moment to contemplate that idea....

[drew hempel]

Don't let the Air Force Men in Black mess with you too much! Here's some Radioactive Alien Vampires in Puerto Rico: http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-files/moca-vampire4/

[Thom]

Sure drew, much of this stuff is amped up to keep our teeth chattering and our fingernails short, but the parallels between the "alien" abductions and the faery abductions in Celtic tradition are very strong. I don't expect the CIA were around in the hills of western britain 2,500 years ago.

To the post socratic Greeks and Romans life and death seeem to have been separate - two worlds, and no transition between the two was possible. To the Celts, transition was frequent - the Breton version of the Orpheus myth, King Orfeo, has a happy ending! Orfeo rescues "Eurydice" from the sinister realm she has been taken too. So transition is possible back and forth. The otherworlds are multiple and various in celtic tradition - and there is one realm that we might call the realm of the taken, where people are kept enthralled in suspended animation (happened to me once) - the faery can bend time and space of course.

Getting out of such jams is possible - it just requires a shift of perspectives. Fairies are shrinkable, as we all know.

[graffitirun]

the last time I saw Dan Aykroyd, he was giving a speech and celebrating his investment in the Ontario wine industry (Vineland..)

now he's kicking off a UFO show


ahh to sit in the hot crystalline southern ontario summer, drinking wine of all colours, scanning the skies for UFOs with dan aykryod, bill murray, john belushi.............

[Lowlight]

Hey DNA thanks for the link to Art Bell caller. Thats the first time ive heard the full call all the way through! There is no way its a coincidence that the transmission was cut off as the guy was speaking! Ive got both of John Macks books in my 'to read' pile. Cant wait to get into them. Its such a shame he is dead. Imagine where he could have taken his research. If i have time im gonna relate a series of dreams ive been having which there more i think about, the more it seems something may be trying to , ermmm, get in contact with me. I wish i was joking.

peace

[Karyn]

The information I have is that there are interdimensional and interstellar Beings. Some travel on light and some are interdimensional. There are malevolent and benevolent Beings. There are more Benevolent then malevolent. I don't understand why Whitley Strieber is allowing himself to be a playground for malevolent beings.. I did something like that once but I have learned that there are boundaries that cannot be crossed unless invited. It is about respect. There are predators and parasites out there. It is their intention. The energy clearing work that I do removes these attachments. But it is up to the individual who is attracting them in the first place to change their mind otherwise they will be back. Like attracts like. Victims call to the tyrants. etc. Love, Karyn

[drew hempel]

Thom -- that's a good point (Vallee argued this in detail of course). But if you read Nick Redfern's work he has hashed this out, along the same conclusions which I had come to.

The New Age scene is constantly projecting Western Civilization back onto nonwestern cultures. This project has amazing "double bind" capabilites.

So the Irish needed to "modernize" by returning to Celtic Aristocracy and rejecting their inherent effeminate, lazy, dirty, nonwhite ways -- according to elite British policy during the time of Charles Dickens.

Obviously the Brits can't have it both ways! And the same applies to "alien abduction" -- indigenous cultures today are fighting to maintain a semblance of traditional shamanic culture. The CIA's agenda is to appropriate these attempts and turn them into techno-spirituality or Freemasonry.

So when the Kogi made a documentary with BBC's Alan Ereira -- "In the Heart of the World" -- stating that Earth was being destroyed by the West and stating that their shamans could barely practice due to airplane noise -- what was the result? Drunvalo Melchizadek (a collaborator with CIA-linked Jose Arguelles and James Hurtak) claims that he can communicate with the Kogi's special "heart language" and that the Kogi support his efforts.

Jose Arguelles has done the same with the Mayans despite the fact that evangelical-CIA operatives led a massacre of 50,000 Mayans in the 1980s in Guatemala.

For the Kogi to travel to the astral realm the "mama" must sit in a cave for 9 years straight!

Sorry but "alien" vistation is NOT the same as shamanic vision quest. Right-brain harmony resonates with ecology that no longer exists!

Nick Redfern does an excellent job of open-mindly considering all the options and he refuses to rule out any possibilities. But thus far all the evidence is that this stuff is contrived military psy-ops to cover up secret high-tech craft.

I had a very close encounter with a big, black flat triangle. I could have hit it with a rock. So I know this stuff is real.

I've also seen spirits but the level of harmony I had to achieve was totally against the dynamics of modern civilization.

The Fallacy of Misplaced Concreteness was Carlyle's term for the delusions of paranormal spiritism. Actually science is the fallacy of misplaced concreteness -- it is a "type" of mythological astral realm but that exact opposite type as indigenous shaman trips.

[Dna]

Hey DNA thanks for the link to Art Bell caller. Thats the first time ive heard the full call all the way through!
Not at all. And I don't think anyone's heard that interview the whole way through - unfortunately! ;)
There is no way its a coincidence that the transmission was cut off as the guy was speaking! Ive got both of John Macks books in my 'to read' pile. Cant wait to get into them. Its such a shame he is dead. Imagine where he could have taken his research.
Well, if you listen to this interview with Dr. Gary Schwartz (http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/gschwartz.htm), you will see that he is still doing research.

If i have time im gonna relate a series of dreams ive been having which there more i think about, the more it seems something may be trying to , ermmm, get in contact with me. I wish i was joking.

peace
I look forward to hearing more of your dream contact.

Kind regards,

Dna.

[Dna]

... the parallels between the "alien" abductions and the faery abductions in Celtic tradition are very strong. I don't expect the CIA were around in the hills of western britain 2,500 years ago.

To the post socratic Greeks and Romans life and death seeem to have been separate - two worlds, and no transition between the two was possible. To the Celts, transition was frequent ...

Thom, there is a suggestion that the 'density' or 'vibration' (using term loosely) of our world is modulated by external galactic events - orbits around other stars etc. This is the known as the great year. Walter Cruttenden has done a lot of work on this. He believes that what some cultures believe to be cycles of golden and dark ages ( yugas in india ) are the result of this modulation - possibly our orbit around a companion star.

It may be much easier during the 'golden' ages to make transits to 'faerie' dimensions due to the changed frequency of our own world. There are other sorts of amazing magical things that the 'gods' were supposed to do in these golden ages. Dr. Claude Swanson has been doing a lot of work on the fronteirs of science trying to explore the 'magical technologies' of the ancients. There is a fascinating interview where he alludes to this great cycle and to the influence of the cosmos on our psychic abilities (http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/cswanson.htm).

... and there is one realm that we might call the realm of the taken, where people are kept enthralled in suspended animation (happened to me once) ...

I think I remember you saying something about this before. Did you fall behind a bed or something?

[drew hempel]

Look sorry to burst anyone's bubble but Harvard psychologist John Mack was funded by Laurence Rockefeller and the CIA-based Human Potential Foundation. Mack used to work for the CIA Human Ecology Front and before that the CIA-linked EST cult.

The promotion of "alien abductions" -- vistations, etc. -- as the BIG RELIGION OF OUR TIMES (for god's sake it was on CNN in McDonalds the other day -- "we are being visited!!) is part of the CIA's mind control programs that also included the "false memory syndrome" for child abuse.

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/macrock.html

Also I've read Gary Schwartz' books and he's well-intentioned but I think he's a bit naive and certainly hasn't "proved" anything. Schwartz is relying on the same "statistical" method that inherently goes against the reality of paranormal phenomenon, as parapsychologist George P. Hansen has documented in detail: http://tricksterbook.com

[Lowlight]

Drew,

Plenty of people are funded by all sorts of insitutions, it doesnt necessarily mean they are in the pocket of those people. Harvard hated John Mack's work, why would they if they had funded him to do it in the first place with the idea of seeding the 'grey' invasion idea? makes no sense.

I think you put too much store in the capabilities of the CIA. Yes they are drug dealing murderers, but the level of control you ascribe to them doesnt exist. If they were that powerful, do you think let would be letting you write about them in such ways all over the net? nope. You would be black bagged a long time ago.

[Lowlight]

"do you think let would be letting you write about them in such ways all over the net?"

Sorry that should be, "do you think they would be letting you write about them in such ways all over the net?"

Its damn annoying that there is no edit feature!

[drew hempel]

Lowlight I appreciate your willingness to consider this issue at a greater depth as most just turn their brains off and dismiss it as conspiratorial prattle.

Actually I HAVE been assaulted, sabotaged, censored and threatened because of my work exposing CIA-funded neofascist corporate-state injustice. I was a staff columnist for one of the largest University newspapers, while a grad student in Minnesota. I got the U of MN to join the Workers Rights Consortium to monitor and improve the sweatshops proving clothing for the University. I got the University to divest $1.5 million in Total Oil stock for their use of slave labor in Burma. I wrote a column exposing a professor's promotion of Nazi SS Major Werner Von Braun -- praising the man as a great hero and personal mentor, while neglecting to mention his personal supervision of slave labor. For this I was censored and threatened -- by a professor! No discussion of facts. I had my email sabotaged by the administration because the lawyer that runs the U -- Marc Rotenberg stated "I hope the professors on this committee are tenured" and that comment went out to all the activists groups in the Twin Cities, the following day, through my email account. You can find details on my old blog http://drewhempel.gnn.tv but suffice it to say my office, Clean Water Action, was the main Get Out the Vote locale for Paul Wellstone who was a strong critic of the CIA Drug War in Colombia. It's generally accepted that Wellstone was

WELLSTONED.

In fact I would say I reached the limits of "democracy" in the U.S. -- the great lie that everyone loves to accept, as long as they don't really try to change any policies! Anytime anyone is on corporate property their bill of rights are negated -- no freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, etc.

Anyway sure Harvard hated Mack but his alien abduction research, as I stated, was funded by Laurence Rockefeller and the Human Potential Foundation, led by Clairborne Pell whose background is detailed in Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince's amazing expose book: "The Stargate Conspiracy."

I listened to another psychologist "objectively" reporting about the alien invasion or whatever -- at 1998 FortFest in Bethesda MD -- Jacobs was his last name. Anyway no one there took this guy seriously because he sounded just like David Icke (and I've been published on Icke's website so it's not like I dismiss Icke outright).

The Disclosure Project, led by M.D. Stephen Greer, is another example of this mass promotion of the Aliens as our new global religion -- the final solution on a cosmic level. I have a long thread debunking Greer's work and he has some very shady connections as well. Art Bell, one of the top radio shows, is a regular promoter of this disinformation.

Unfortunately if you read http://sinisterforces.info or John Judge's work http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/Jonestown.html#p6 the facts are very clear that the CIA has worked closely with the FBI to set up psychological warfare experiments -- whether its scientology or Heaven's Gate or the Symbionese Liberation Army or Jonestown or O.T.O. Nick Redfern's latest two books give all the government documents on this stuff as well http://ufomystic.com

I've read almost all of Chomsky's political books and have corresponded with Chomsky. The CIA treats governments, including the U.S. government, as "banana republics" -- and both the Dulles Brothers worked closely with the Nazis. Their uncle Secretary of State Robert Lansing smoothed over the genocide of the Armenians by the Turks for their German-supervised slave-built railway. There's the CIA's operations department and the CIA's information gathering department. Operations has a huge black budget and sure the CIA fights the Army Intelligence -- special forces -- for hegemony but for UFO stuff the CIA works with Airforce Intelligence.

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm

I just read a book on the History of the Aristocracy in New York -- up until 1830. The main political figures that created the U.S. system were loyal to the monarchy of England and were against democracy. Alexander Hamilton wanted to gerrymander the early Governor race of NY and the creation of "Washington's Benevolents" was an early cult-type propaganda campaign to promote aristocratic principles based on Plato's philosopher kings.

People are always looking for some "big guy in the sky" to follow.

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/dames.html
How many secretly follow these "founding fathers" of the U.S. without realizing just how fascist they were? http://poclad.org

Anyone who watches t.v. or reads any mass media is being inundated by white-washed CIA lies.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/dec2001/cia-d12.shtml

[Thom]

Drew,

Thom -- that's a good point (Vallee argued this in detail of course). But if you read Nick Redfern's work he has hashed this out, along the same conclusions which I had come to.

So would you recommend Vallee's book? Or maybe Redfern? I'm very busy at the moment and reading is a luxury. Reading Shamanism and Tantra in the Himalayas.

The New Age scene is constantly projecting Western Civilization back onto nonwestern cultures. This project has amazing "double bind" capabilites.

So the Irish needed to "modernize" by returning to Celtic Aristocracy and rejecting their inherent effeminate, lazy, dirty, nonwhite ways -- according to elite British policy during the time of Charles Dickens.

Obviously the Brits can't have it both ways! And the same applies to "alien abduction" -- indigenous cultures today are fighting to maintain a semblance of traditional shamanic culture. The CIA's agenda is to appropriate these attempts and turn them into techno-spirituality or Freemasonry.

I can see how promotion of “techno-spirituality” could be a dubious “CIA” (starship) enterprise leading towards all sorts of science fiction nightmare scenarios. I certainly don’t plan to board any rainbow spaceships, or accept essential life-saving bionic implants at present.

So, i’m becoming more and more suspicious of “the threat.” It seems to keep people in a sort of passive anxiety state – and keeping us ego-bound with fear is presumably in the interest of the technology fixated “aliens,” as you point out. Everywhere we look now it seems there are “voices prophesying war” in various ways – giving us more and more reasons to be afraid.

The intricate mythological reality of the Celts, and other sophisticated pre-socratic peoples was, and is being, suppressed by the west, limiting our methods of interacting with the otherworld (this is also one of the reasons for the illegality of shamanism and plants.) Therefore the otherworld becomes a sinister land of nightmare and monsters, the darkling wood, easily manipulated by those who want to increase the fear. With mad nature, grey aliens, and evil terrorists, the otherworld is looking particularly unapproachable these days. A no-go area 51 twilight zone of x-files.

On the other hand, the celts etc wilfully summoned the otherworld and had a sophisticated system of stories that gave to airy nothing a local habitation and a name. It was possible to literally walk into the otherworld because it was projected, consciously or not, onto the landscape – therefore initiation into adulthood was about mastering fear. Many of the stories that survive are records of various successful and unsuccessful encounters with faery. We can do this without projecting onto the landscape – because we can integrate the magic-mythic and mental dimensions of conciousness.

In this sense we are undergoing a culture-wide initiation into the shamanic reality, where subtlety and flexibility of perception - spontaneity and inspiration - is of paramount importance. Lots of people are saying this. I suggest that everyone may have to come to terms with these sinister threshold guardians. If this is the case, then we really need to be fostering the confidence and joie-de-vivre of the trickster, not focusing on the alien horror leaden intellectual despair of the western liberal dealing with the supposed "end of history" and "voices prophesying war." Perhaps where rational planning is failing to come up with hope, it is the instinctive sensual optimism of the sperm that will be our best model - gleefully seeking the egg, whatever the odds. Live from the hips and fear nothing - learn how to sing from your marrow bones! Haha.

At the moment our culture seems to be reminiscent of the babe in Blake's poem:

My mother groan'd! my father wept.
Into the dangerous world I leapt:
Helpless, naked, piping loud;
Like a fiend hid in a cloud.

Struggling in my fathers hands:
Striving against my swaddling bands:
Bound and weary I thought best
To sulk upon my mothers breast.

If we can through off our "sulk" of nihilism and end of era impotence, then the threat will be seen for what it truly is – unified being.

I wonder if my rambling about aliens and mythologies is just paraphrase of Vallee?

[Thom]

Dna:

Thom, there is a suggestion that the 'density' or 'vibration' (using term loosely) of our world is modulated by external galactic events - orbits around other stars etc. This is the known as the great year. Walter Cruttenden has done a lot of work on this. He believes that what some cultures believe to be cycles of golden and dark ages ( yugas in india ) are the result of this modulation - possibly our orbit around a companion star.

It may be much easier during the 'golden' ages to make transits to 'faerie' dimensions due to the changed frequency of our own world. There are other sorts of amazing magical things that the 'gods' were supposed to do in these golden ages. Dr. Claude Swanson has been doing a lot of work on the fronteirs of science trying to explore the 'magical technologies' of the ancients. There is a fascinating interview where he alludes to this great cycle and to the influence of the cosmos on our psychic abilities.

Interesting. I suppose it's possible that transition between ages or structures of conciousness might alter the physical composition of the earth - the 'vibration' as you say. In this sense maybe it would be accurate to say that the golden age occurred on a different planet earth, involved in different dimensional relationships.

My own experiences of 'transit to faerie' have been in remote unfamiliar wilderness regions with mushrooms to 'modulate the vibration!' Also happened to me on the burren, near Doolin, incidentally.

I'm glad it doesn't happen when i haven't eaten mushrooms.

[Dna]

Also happened to me on the burren, near Doolin, incidentally.

Yeah, the Burren's an amazing place. Let's hold a conference there!

Dna.

http://www.burrenbeo.com/shop/Images/book-darcy-natural.jpghttp://static.flickr.com/9/13094408_553261f693_m.jpg
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[Thom]

Yeah, the burren is mind-altering in itself. It's like being on another planet.

[Mars]

I love the Burren. I spent some time out there in '87 when I was an itinerant lad. Great music, as I recall, in that area. Stirring coastline. Craggy nooks.

[drew hempel]

Listen Thom I just posted to Redfern's blog -- hopefully he'll post my message. http://ufomystic.com

Anyway someone really good on the difference between Western and PreSocratic philosophy is http://peterkingsley.com

This is a structural issue. The West is inherently based on techno-spirituality -- starting with the Pythagorean Theorem.

People are in denial about this but the ecological crisis comes from the "deep disharmony" on which western math is based -- as stated by math professor Luigi Borzacchini.

So there is a fundamental difference between "alien visitation" and indigenous shamanism.

The Harmony from which indigenous shamanism arises is extremely subtle and refined -- from gender relations. That's the most important dynamic!

So the population density was much less, people were physically more healthy and the vision-quest was based on transforming the body -- creating electromagnetic fields -- through sex energy.

The West is based on "containing" the formless awareness - the source of Harmony -- into equal-based measurements -- averages for phonetic language and logarithmic measurements.

So A x B = B x A is WRONG in nonwestern philosophy.

That's how deep the structural difference is between "alien vistations" and indigenous shamanism.

For example Daniel believes that the "Grays" are a manifestation of the techno-spirituality -- as described in Revelations and predicted by Steiner.

Well that's true to the extent that seeing the "Grays" is a product of psychological warfare mythology -- just as the Commies, the Hunns, Al Qaeda and all the other boogie men.

There is obviously some semblance of truth to these boogiemen but they are really just excuses to build a huge fear-driven power system for techno-spirituality -- fed on mass ritual sacrifice.

I WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE TRUTH IS OF THE ALIENS -- IT IS THE INCREASING USE OF THE REPTILIAN BRAIN BY TECHNOLOGY. E.T. is just the Cerebellum in its outward form.

If you read Stan Gooch's book "Total Man" you get all the details but suffice it to say that the cerebellum CORTEX is 75% as much as the cerebrum cortex.

Has anyone ever even heard of the "cerebellum" cortex? Of course not!

So as the mathematics deepens the disharmony deepens and all of us increasingly become machines -- which feed off our cerebellum-adrenal system.

It's structural and does come from the shifting of 666 into decimal based mathematics as 666 USED to be an open resonance of 2/3 -- creating all unit fractions.

The Witchhunts were really based on the same thing -- fear-mongering in order to focus the hierarchy of power. All of a sudden everyone is seeing the devil everywhere. Being possessed by the devil, and demons, etc.

This is NO DIFFERENT because it's part of the "psychic economy" of tantric technology.

Why is it that child abduction is actually much more common than people are willing to admit and used for sex-slave markets created by the elite? Just read http://waynemadsenreport.com he got his start exposing this stuff in the Navy.

So we can see that the "abduction" phenomenon is a PROJECTION of fear -- first the immigrants are "aliens" -- when in fact NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL NOR AN ALIEN.

Now children need to wear GPS SHOES to be tracked by Big Brother.

The question is who really are the Greys -- but just an excuse for BOURGEOIS CONSUMERS A LA THE NAZIS TO IGNORE THE REAL ISSUES.

Just as the Masses of the Nazi Regime became obsessed with Demon Spirits "invading" the Motherland, etc. so too have Northern Europeans become obsessed with

Alien Visitations.

[Karyn]

I have my own ideas about what causes deep disharmony. It is the intent and attitude of the person ...that's all. If you put out disharmony that is what you get back. It's the intent not the numbers or music.
I also have my own opinion about the greys. The little greys are the result of humans that eliminated emotions seeing emotion as an obstacle to common sense. They want to bred emotion back into their race. The tall greys that are like parasites are humans that once had a soul but lost it because we eventually become what our intention is. If you live like a parasite you will become a parasite. A parasite feeds off of other people's emotions and sexual energy.
Just my current perspective. Love, Karyn

[drew hempel]

Yeah Karyn that makes sense. Intention actually means In-10-tion or a phonetic language built on enclosing infinity through 10.

The number 9 is the eternal number of growth -- this is why the capstone of the Pyramid is not lowered for the illuminati symbol.

The Tetrad is the Pyramid as Number 10 -- but the Tetrad is made of stones -- or dots that resonate through asymmetric number.

So a x b = b x a in Western math but in the Tetrad C to G = 2:3 and G to C = 3:4. This is because of complimentary opposites.

Traditional cultures have infinite resonance of complimentary opposites -- it's open ended so there can be no "Number Zero" that starts as infinity.

Plato took the Number Zero from the Vedic Brahmin Freemason philosophers. IN fact it's still argued whether Zero came from the Greeks or from the Vedics

Music is Emotion and Math together -- inseparable.

The emotions are linked with the centers of consciousness in the body and a healthy mind circulates the emotions so that they harmonize as Love.

The source of Love is Truth as formless awareness. The Number One can not be closed off into a decimal based system using axiomated logic.

Money used to be from complimentary opposites -- gold for sun and silver for moon -- until the introduction of the ten-based number system.

So the "in-10-tion" of morality is enclosed by the equal-measured 10-based number system that closes off complimentary opposites.

Plato stated that each citizen is the ratio 9:8 and must be "compromised for the good of the state."

That meant converting the complimentary opposites of 9:8 into equal-measured averages that are contained into materialistic control.

That's the In-10-tion of Western Civilization.

It's deep disharmony and the astral level energy is Humanism -- simply the astral light of the CEREBELLUM or REPTILIAN BRAIN that controls emotion.

This is also called the 4th Eye -- meaning that it's the Cold Femme Fatale modeled by Nefertiti -- the Queen of the start of Humanistic Monotheism in the Egyptian Empire.

The 4th Eye is the Formless Awareness that the Pineal gland resonates with directly.

The 4th Eye "self-organizes" as Harmony -- it heals and redirects energy on its own.

No "intention" is necessary -- although messages and visions will come from the 4th Eye -- their interpretation is subject to the

Relative Mind of the human -- the cerebrum brain of the mammal -- receiving these messages from the

secret "Grey" or cerebellum brain.

The start of this In-10-tion philosophy was the logical inference -- the left-brain Brahmin priesthood who were

UnDead. They killed themselves while still alive -- and therefore were beyond all emotions and could pursue the logical perfection of technology, based on further "neti, neti."

that means "neither this, nor that" -- that's the true In-10-tion of Science (the basis of the glorified lifestyle of the West).

It's also called proof by contradiction or exclusion of the middle logic.

So we keep on going "not this, not that" -- we haven't got there yet -- but we will!

Where are we going? Where we've already been!

FORMLESS AWARENESS.

haha.

[Karyn]

Hi Drew,
It's the middle way that we want. The balance. Equilibrium. Not one extreme or the other. Not fanatical. Keep the balance. The balance of reason and emotion. I don't know who the group of little greys are but I do know that it is the end result of a belief system that bred out emotion and sought after knowledge. The body is always the last manifestation of the thought or belief system. They became very weak from this imbalance.
It's the middle way that we want. Not one extreme or the other.
Love, Karyn