Don't pretend you don't know!

[brother shamus]

WE ALL KNOW! We all know that the air is getting unfit to breath. WE ALL KNOW! We all know that the water is getting unfit to drink. WE ALL KNOW! We all know that the food is suspect at best. Why do we pretend that we do not know? We all know how to behave properly to each other. WE ALL KNOW! Why do we pretend we do not know? WE ALL KNOW! DON"T PRETEND YOU DON'T KNOW!

[ocoyai]

what

[Caprinardo Delirio]

or:

don't believe the hype.

there more you know the more you don't know that you're actually an ass.

the air was also unfit to breathe for the immigrants, the missionaries and the monks.

the ego's reflection of the global situation is the mirage of the apocalypse, brought forth by attepts made to diverge it.

everything has to die, and life IS death. the enthusiasm for the species is your own personal longing for immortality that renders you hostile to the divinity of the finite fantasia.

[ July 15, 2006, 01:11 AM: Message edited by: Caprinardo Delirio ]

[jcldragon]

I have a negative ion generator in my bedroom. My goldfish live in reverse osmosis water, and when I do a 1/4 tank change, the "waste water" goes into my organic garden.

Right now the Plum & Peach trees in my backyard are in full production. I'd say that was a good start...

[Thom]

"and life IS death."

Yeah, but for some folk:

"Life is trying to be life.
Death also is trying to be life.
Death only wants to be life. It cannot quite manage."

:(

[Caprinardo Delirio]

well, yes as much as the shade illuminates the sun shone spaces, it might still be blushing with envy.. but that's just because it was saturated with images of the ideal sunny spot when it was young and in total darkness.

i see death more like the dynamic space that allows the dimension of newness to manifest..

BOTH, finally got me (deep) into mckenna after having rejected him a couple times before, and it seems funny now since i love him sooo much, (i read BOTH about five-six months ago) and i actually thought he was quite the kook before, and didn't really notice his verbal musique... but anyway, i was giving my friend and fellow psychedelic psychology enthusiast karoline, the run down of this paradox mckenna descibes, which went something like this: "you have to be careful where you place your political emphasis on the question of the global future, as it would be very foolish indeed, if we in our effort to save the planet got hit by another asteroid be the size of the dino-destoyer, and we would say: jesus, we were morons, we should have been sequestering every drop of oil, food, and mineral on earth and have been building spaceships the size of montana, and what did we do? we replanted RAINFORRESTS?!?" i thought that was a very good point, but karoline just said that "well, that's all very good and fun, but i'll have to say that when that time comes, i'll die with the planet, instead of clinging to my biological ego perpetuated survival mechanisms that tell me nothing of spiritual insights, but rather often work to destort them on the temporal plane.."

and i thought that's an even better point, actually..

it's not that i want to human race to end, i'm all for utopia, and the most likely VAST potential of the human spirit to unfold, and possibly even space-migration (although i think we'll might stop looking at it this way) it's rather the paniccy wibe of some bruce willis style race-til-the-end, i feel both is severely neurotic and a sublimation, in almost every respect, BECAUSE, it becomes the exact same force as it's trying to stop. - still, i'm just outlining this, because i feel it needs be be contrasted with the gerneral view from here, which i share too.

i forgot who it was that said that: "the only way to avoid the total destuction of the world, is that we not attempt to prevent it from doing so."

not a view that will work all on itself, rather more a reminder to the mindset of those working to spread sanity and understaning throughout this here sphere...

governments and big business are of cource those most self-destructivly engaged in saving the world, and hence destroying it in their pursuit.

and i think the same goes of evil as well: most of it was done in the name of good.

[ July 16, 2006, 05:57 AM: Message edited by: Caprinardo Delirio ]

[Thom]

I'd agree with your friend re the McKenna example, but I see what you mean overall.

the paniccy wibe of some bruce willis style race-til-the-end, i feel both is severely neurotic and a sublimation, in almost every respect, BECAUSE, it becomes the exact same force as it's trying to stop. True. Hoarding a cellar full of tinned food and shotgun shells is not the way to go. That, on a smaller scale, is exactly what the global capitalist paradigm promotes. Thinking like that only shows how little has been learned.

I'm more interested in gardening, building community networks based on mutual trust, and when the current system breaks its own back, we can live smoothly enough through the transition. As long as we haven't all been hopelessly irradiated - the middle east isn't looking good... maybe Iran was a feint?

Anyway, I admit I have moved away from the towns however and I'm learning about wild plants, berries, permaculture etc...but I'm quite sure thats just a natural outgrowth of my interest in the magic plants of the wild and the wood. Found my first henbane plant the other day, and was overjoyed.

[brother shamus]

It goes beyond that; We all know right and wrong. We know that the policies of the government are beneficial to the elite, wealthy, and political powerful people.

Laws are passed to benefit them and not "the people" who constitute 99% of the population, (1% controls over 80% of the wealth).

We all know that the system has to change but we are ostriches with our heads in the sand hoping against hope that things will change without our having to do anything. Or we are hiding away in remote areas with our survival skills hoping to be left alone or forgotten.

We all have to make a stand and soon. We can start by Voting and Standing by our vote like the mexican people are doing. Not like Gore and Kerry did, not wanting to make a mess.

It's not real Democracy unless it gets a bit MESSY every once in a while. It's time to let our local governments know what we want. Start with the Mayor or local state rep, if you like what they are doing volunteer with their campagin if you don't like what they are doing, volunteer with the oppositions campagin. Just one hour a week from home will help a lot. Addressing envelopes, phoning local people, walking around your street talking to your neighbors (which is a good idea anyway because if the flash hits you want to know your neighbors),

Get involved and get vocal! We all know that this can't hold on forever, many of the people alive today will see a great change and you KNOW that you have input on the nature of that change. Embrace what you KNOW, you know more than you think you do.

The media dumbs itself down and it makes you think that you are dumb.
YOU ARE NOT DUMB!
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO DO!
DO NOT PRETEND YOU DON'T KNOW!

[Thom]

Vote?

I thought your preaching was going to lead somewhere interesting.

Don't vote, it just encourages the bastards.

[brother shamus]

Well I did have several ways to go. That was the most practical. Thanks for calling me on it. I just watched An Inconvient Truth and I don't think we have the time to go through the usual chanels. The time might be now. I got my orginal information from the same source as the Mazatec Indains. I was still in the uphoria stage and it seemed that everything would be all right. With all the bull$#it going on in Israel and Lebannon, and the global warming thing going to displace over 100,000 million people in the next 5-10 years, maybe sooner, What the hell can we do but hide out at high altitude and hope for the best. It really did seem so clear. If we (the world population) all pulled togeather and worked as a team we might be able to work out a solution but the 'powers that be', all want us to be divided so they can and are conquering us. Why post anything at all. I'll just be in my closet eating mushrooms.

[Thom]

Brother Shamus: If we (the world population) all pulled together and worked as a team we might be able to work out a solution but the 'powers that be', all want us to be divided so they can and are conquering us. But we are pulling together! You're absolutely right to feel energized and hopeful.

There are lots of ways to effect positive change. Lots of ostrich gardener types might also belong to activist networks and participate in non-violent direct actions...

or they might just produce beautiful golden turnips to share with the local community in turnip evenings!

Well I did have several ways to go. That was the most practical. So, what other ways to go did you come up with? Why are they less practical than canvassing and voting?

[brother shamus]

They involve more the 'messy' side of democracy. Like the current Mexican elections. If we all could get out at once, we would be too many to ignore or repress. Do we have the will to take that risk before it's too late?

[Caprinardo Delirio]

so, are you gonna gather us all in a cirle and outline the new infrastructures and paradigm for us?

[brother shamus]

We all have to help each other figure it out, collectivly....I know it sounds impossible but someone came up with Democracy. Maybe we all need to be ready and then when the time comes we will all know, collectivly. I don't have all the answers but we all togeather do. If anyone one person or paradigm says they have the answers then run don't walk. If they say they are searching for the answers help them look. Help me look.

[Thom]

Well, I'm just a gardener who used to eat mushrooms before the government scared me away from them. That said, here's some quick thoughts before my mushroom breakfast...

When you engage with the system you strengthen the system. Your vote, or your flung stone, it makes no difference, it will be assimilated by the media and transformed into entertainment by the end of the day, forgotten in a week. These are the sort of ideas Jean Baudrillard explored in response to the may 68 paris riots.

I've thrown stones, but only cos those dudes are in so much armour its not going to hurt them. So its a bit of a game.

Mass-movements are problematic in that the individual is all too easily submerged by the forces that swirl around and through any numerically strong gathering. Erich Neuman writes well about the individual and the group mind in his brilliant book 'origins and history of conciousness''. Mass-conciousness is a thing of the past. We need to intensify our individuality - maybe by adopting a ferocious honesty with ourselves, strip away all the bullshit and see who we truly are and what we really want.

So I imagine spontaneous gathering of individuals, each with their own super-powers focused on non-violence and passive resistance, may play a role in disempowering the corporate governments and their martial police. The merry pranksters do gandhi...

Tides of humanity sweeping into government buildings and setting up guillotines in the public squares is not something I envisage because of what it symbolizes on the level of the individual psyche.

Also I think the Zidane world cup headbutt was a noospheric event. He succumbed to the taunts of the defender and lashed out, blighting a brilliant career, and causing his team to lose the world cup!

[ July 18, 2006, 01:54 AM: Message edited by: Thom ]

[Thom]

1.5 march in Mexico against electoral fraud (http://www.marxist.com/million-march-mexico-electoral-fraud170706.htm)

[jcldragon]

Since you are talking Politics, I should point out that right-wing Libertarians, and left-wing Progressives have a lot in common.

Both groups are concerned about the Ecological conditions on Earth. The right-wingers call themselves Conservationists, and the left-wingers call themselves Environmentalists. By now almost everybody knows those two things are the same, and there have already been numerous joint efforts.

Both groups despise totalitarians. The only differences between these two groups, is that the right-wingers emphacize personal responsibility, and the left-wingers emphacize collective responsibility... as if you could have a healthy society without both.

So I see a potential coalition here, so large & strong, that even a rigged Election couldn't stop it.

[brother shamus]

I like the idea of getting togeather with like minded people no matter which flag they fly under.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

when the stars begin to fall there will be no debating dogma.

[Thom]

Amen.

hang on...

you don't mean stars like tom cruise, surely?

[Thom]

brother shamus: I like the idea of getting togeather with like minded people no matter which flag they fly under. Don't fly under flags, Brother shamus, fly over them.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

flags?

FLAAAGS?????

[ July 19, 2006, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: Caprinardo Delirio ]

[brother shamus]

As long as they are not false flags.

[zenchef]

The powers that be…..
Isn’t that us?? As we sit as active participants in the Nero web of the collective consciousness. Within the spiraling exponential potential tendrils of quantum physics suggested super positioning. True it is the men in the suits and red power ties that have their finger closest to the Armageddon buttons and the war making machines. True it is the great corporate demons that seem to have the helm of gutting our mother earth’s natural resources and deconstructing our ability to conjure up compassion for the millions who live in poverty and squalor. And double true that our current controlling paradigm of emphatic materialism has replaced our fears of a tyrannical wizard like figure who cast down his malignant prognosis on our unworthy and selfish souls.
But we are the powers that be. We live in a unseparateable holographic universe. We summon up the power for them by global ignorance, and worse, condoning, accepting and supporting. Our collective consciousness has brought them to these places of control because of our sustaining of their ways. We buy their meaningless garbage because the acts of purchasing seems to momentarily fill a void, we eat their phony and unsustainable food produced in mass at the most accepted levels of living creature production purely for the sake of murdering them for our drive thru meals. We blindly ingest the fallacies of what and how we should be, that they force feed us thru the propagandas multi media machine. We Chose acceptance thru collective consciousness and we too can choose its demise, by uniting our awareness. It is we, those of us, who write on these sites, who submerge ourselves in this type of writing, who believe our selves to be the slowly awakening warriors of higher consciousness. We, by collecting our thoughts and rebuking these archetypes of our times that blossom us into the proverbial butterflies that flap its wings and create storms in other parts of the planet. We are powerful, but only when, as thom said, "become strong as individuals". Remembering who we are as powerful conscious persons and connecting first to that, is where I believe hope resonates. That and astral traveling thru the psychotropic super highways.

[enantiodromia23]

If every single adult living in the USA today who is adamantly opposed to what the current regime in Washington is doing (in Iraq, at home and around the world), were to unite and decide "ENOUGH!" and just stop with business as usual: Stop shopping, stop driving our cars, stop going to work... I'm guessing that the functioning of the economy would be (very quickly) crippled if not paralyzed... and then you would not see the "powers that be" blithely ignoring our dissent as they continue to do with regard to our ineffectual protests and petitions and legislative campaigns etc; I think they would be shitting their pants...

But the leadership of the left or progressive movements (MoveOn.org, for example) does not call for such strategies, apparently because they are afraid of our own power, and afraid of taking risks or making sacrifices - No one wants to risk losing their jobs, no one wants to sacrifice their consumer comforts, it's too inconvenient (and too scary) - So it's just business as usual in the good ole USA, where we've been conditioned to think of political and social struggle within accepted narrow confines of 'protest' and petitioning our putative elected representatives (imagining that they might actually care more for our wishes than those of their corporate lobbyists, or their own financial portfolios, etc)...

There are a lot of people in this country who are really dissatisfied with what is being done and our name, and we could make a serious impact if we were to use our economic leverage as consumers and workers to effect change - But that isn't happening...

Severance

Severance,
The birds of leaving call to us -
Yet here we stand
Endowed with the fear of flight
Over land, the winds of change consume the land
While we remain in the shadow of summers now past

When all the leaves have fallen and turned to dust
will we remain entrenched within our ways?
Indifference,
The plague that moves throughout this land
Omen signs in the shapes of things to come

Tomorrow's child is the only child...

- Brendan Perry / Dead Can Dance

[Rob P]

.......

The American culture/way of life IS the plague...

and there is no cure- only transformation which will be borne
out of circumstances far beyond our control.

Get to know yourself- your selves- and you
will be prepared for whatever comes and goes...

right or left- right or wrong- this is it.

.......

[Thom]

Severance,
The birds of leaving call to us -
Good song, I'm listening to it now. In Wales people talk about the 'birds of Rhiannon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhiannon) .' She's the Great Queen, (in the language of ancient britain, related to modern welsh, she is 'Rigantona') riding on a white horse, and the music of her birds can pause time, so that for the listener one hundred years pass in a moment of joy, but upon returning to our customary realm, all things have changed utterly and the known is lost...

A recent crop circle shows a bird formation near the famous white horse (http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2006/uffington2/uffington2006b.html) of uffington.


from the cropcircle connector site:
By tradition, the Uffington White Horse was made in honour of the Celtic goddess Rhiannon. Less well known is that the same goddess was also symbolized by birds. Hence the new crop drawing of a bird, pointing to a white horse, seems self-explanatory in terms of ancient history. ...

[ July 20, 2006, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: Thom ]

[Thom]

You can hear Rhiannon galloping her horse in the music of this popular nursery rhyme:

Ride a white horse to banbury cross
To see a fine lady upon a white horse
Bells on her fingers and bells on her toes,
She shall have music wherever she goes!

Banbury cross is in the same county as uffington.

[ July 20, 2006, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: Thom ]

[brother shamus]

If every single adult living in the USA today who is adamantly opposed to what the current regime in Washington is doing (in Iraq, at home and around the world), were to unite and decide "ENOUGH!" and just stop with business as usual: Stop shopping, stop driving our cars, stop going to work... I'm guessing that the functioning of the economy would be (very quickly) crippled if not paralyzed... and then you would not see the "powers that be" blithely ignoring our dissent as they continue to do with regard to our ineffectual protests and petitions and legislative campaigns etc; I think they would be shitting their pants... I agree that moveon.org and others don't advocate the 'Network' solution, (From the movie, Network, 1976; "You are going to go to your window and you are going to open it and you are going to stick your head out and you are going to shout 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore'".)

It would work but the fear factor keeps us drinking beer and watching tv and working 60 to 80 hours a week. Don't disturb the beast or it will come looking for you. "How will we feed our children, ourselves, if we stage a mass protest." I think is the main fear. Go homeless with kids you got problems, unless you are really clever. Always hangs me up right there.

[enantiodromia23]

When circumstances get to the stage when we perceive that things are bad enough here at home that we have nothing left to risk or lose by throwing off our security blanket, then people are gonna rise up and make something happen...

Give it time, we're not at that stage yet but we're heading there...

[zenchef]

Don't disturb the beast or it will come looking for you. AMEN!!! THe Beast it looms and waits with spit dripping blood stained teeth like a wolfhound waiting for a groundhog to pop out if its hole. Makes my lower chakra muscle pucker. However i have found that even the simple, individual, small acts of defiance and resistance give me some satisfaction and peace. I pulled myself off the grid for awhile, even more than i am now and powered into a small organized revolt, and my lesson learned was that it is really freaking hard to do, even as a trained minimalist. ITs hard to concieve a true staged uprising where everyone has the same motives. Not that they need to be, but, with the current dessensions and divisions that we embody it would be as futile as the LA riots,lots of damage, forgotton quickly, with the machine resuming control, only with a little more knowledge of our weaknesses. I like visualize my own break from it all, i still pour on the hours at work, but like you said, i feed the kids. I make conscious purchasing choices, and try to embody the breaks, turn off the TV, throw out the magazines and any other fodder that perpetuates the propaganda. Teach, practice, preach and attempt to live the vision of a new world order.
this will ultimatly attract the like to each of our own microcosms There are still lessons to be learned in this seemingly screwed up material paradigm, if we dont learn them and then bless them on their way, than we are doomed to repeat. The light wont burn as bright without the knowledge of the darkness.

there is no road to happiness
for happiness is the road
there is no path to peace
for peace is the road
there is no way to love
for love is the way

[lovemanifest]

I just can't bring myself to participate in this illusion of democracy anymore. Or this illusion of country. Not that I was ever a big flag toter--I've simply always been an Earth lover.
It seems to me that government, politics, economy, religions, and borders are reaching a point of critical mass where they must be wiped clean, creating a tabula rasa for the new consciousness. Do we really need the few leading the many? Do we need filthy pieces of paper to receive food, clothes and shelter? I live in AZ and the border is a joke. Do we really need to draw a line in the sand? Of course not. It's time to let go. It may be messy, maybe not. Just do your part to ease the transition, and trust that everything is safe in God's hands. smile.gif

Maybe we should be building massive spaceships, but we are a glorious part of Earth. I want to grow my own food and fuck in the wildflowers. I believe that humans learning the art of trancendence have little need for spaceships to ensure their happiness or survival.

Every thought, every stroke on the keyboard here reinforces a reality that is far greater than the tired old version that's still playing out.