Be

[Death_explosion]

Be is an album by this swedish prog-rock band called Pain of Salvation.its a concept album that presents the idea that God is this eternal being that has no idea how he was created or why he exists.he can't remember not existing and has this hunger to find out who he is and how he became.he creates the universe and humanity to hopefully simulate conditions that will show him how he came to be.he pours all of his doubts and hopes and thoughts into these beings and watches them interact and develop hoping that they will teach him something.after a certain point he decides nothing more can be learnt from humanity and gives up hope.i thought this was an interesting idea and it made me think about creation myths and whatnot.i've always been fascinated with creation stories....but anyway.it brings up ideas that divine beings are not so much different than you or i.that they feel and experience emotions of hate,love,anger,despair,etc.what does you all think of these things??everyone has their own belief system and i'm always open to hearing your own theories/beliefs about creation and the divine.

[nanouk]

well, my idea is: either God must have had a Mother, even eternal beings are created out of nothing into something...or God is longing for a Mother, because it is lonely in a patriarchal solitary rulership...

~N.

[silentwolf]

Yup, sex sucks without a partner.

[Agent Smith]

"Hey don't knock ignomonious masterbation. At least it's sex with someone I love." W. Allen

[nanouk]

Orbital, live. BBC6 Music...

:D

Ps.There is absolutely nothing wrong with a woman mixing cement or a man doing crochet...in fact, i believe grrrls make better muck and blokes create exquisite needlework!

[tana]

How can an energy/entity so far beyond our understanding as "God" be personified to such an extent? I think we have to realize just how little we know, and how little we are even capable of understanding. An accurate image of God (or the Universe, or "absolute reality" in general) is way out of our mind's grasp. At times we may think we have a handle on it, but then we are actually only perceiving one aspect of God. (Remember the three blind men and the elephant story?)

Having said that, part of my own incomplete understanding of our relationship with God is that, in some way, we serve as God's sensory organs...this is, of course, only a vague idea. Also, in over-simplified terms, i do think the concept of god as the omnipresent creative force comes close to the mark.

[ April 05, 2005, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: tana ]

[JCCamp007]

Do you believe in and what is your favorite form of birth control?

[SecondSun]

How about this idea. Man, wondering how the world he lives and he himself came into being invents a creation story in order to simulate how such a thing could happen. After years and years of debating, philosophizing, and experimenting, he comes up with modern cosmology, the big bang theory, atomic theory, and evolution.

Any ideas?

[JCCamp007]

...Where two or more are gathered together...?
I think you're reading more into than I was intending,and I don't see any cause for indignation yet on your part.
Insofar as being off topic I think it would depend on how one interpreted your babbling dear.

[ April 05, 2005, 02:20 PM: Message edited by: JCCamp007 ]

[whitewave]

I think it is useful to characterize God as someone we would meet walking down the street, in a bar, collecting our garbage, etc. We have been so conditioned to think that God is omnipotent, on some plane higher than us, that it has clouded us to what may be the truth--God is within each one of us. Bringing God down to earth is a way to shock the mind into an awareness of unity, of no boundaries. God becomes us, instead of an unknowable other.

[dragonfly]

Originally posted by whitewave:
I think it is useful to characterize God as someone we would meet walking down the street, in a bar, collecting our garbage, etc.Or growing in a garden, swimming in a stream, buzzing through the air, singing from the trees ...

[sidecross]

...or even Melville's Moby-Dick.

[JCCamp007]

Robert Silvers Portrait of Christ and Dali's Last Supper are both good pictures of God.

[tana]

(Whitewave): Bringing God down to earth is a way to shock the mind into an awareness of unity, of no boundaries. God becomes us, instead of an unknowable other.

...so true, so true...i did a one-eighty when i read that!

[ April 06, 2005, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: tana ]

[Buzz]

DE, don't know that group, but i'm pretty much in agreement with that assessement.

Carl Sagan said something to the effect that "the universe is God trying to understand himself."

[Dr John D. Son]

Tana,
How is your garden in the basement growing?

As of yesterday we had mustard,radishes,spinach,lettuce beets etc up.