You are not the body or mind

[jasonjamesmorgan]

You are not the body or the mind. What are you?

It is seen that we are not the body by the fact that our dream body trancend the physical, and deep sleep transends both bodies. If one tries to imagine oneself as dead, it is seen to be impossible. One either sees the body from above or is in the dead body, but the awareness remains.

Awareness is present in deep sleep, or else the continuity of ego would be broken. And you can be woken up from deep sleep, thus proving that awareness of body is present.

It is seen that we are not the mind either. Where is the mind in deep sleep? The mind is just as fleeting as the body. The mind is a collection of thoughts. The thoughts depend on one thought, the I thought. Without the I thought, their is no point of reference or awareness of other thoughts. Holding onto to the I thought to the exlusion of others is a sacred path. This induces the mind to stop, and will leave.... awareness.

The only constant in this whole universe is our awareness of the universe. This awareness is undefiled by anything. It is the mirror apon which the universe is projected.

You are awareness.

Namaste
Om Namah Shivaya
Jason James Morgan

[furthur]

What are you?
The only true response that can be given would have to be one that changes the question somewhat. If you are really interested in characteristics of the "you", then you should also be willing to accept that "you" exists. Otherwise, one would be giving very interesting but fictional accounts of something imaginary, which is in fact what "you" is.
Reality is that "you" do not exist as a separate entity, only the YOU that is all-encompassing and that has no borders exists (and does not exist at the same time).
Also, it is uncharacterizable, so once again even a reformulated question would yield no answer other than possibly a smirk of understanding.

[Agent Smith]

i AM my body, and my mind... and several other things besides.

YOU might not be seperate individuated entities, but it is presumptous, and snotty, smug, and pompus to claim that you know a damn thing about anyone else's experiences...

...however i realize that your current levels of spiritual development have not yet reached sufficient heights to attain the proper perspective on my words.

indeed you both come here and make vast sweeping generalizations about 'yous' in your very first posts.

i suggest you go back to meditating upon the hamster licking it's own testicles, and my words shall become clear to you in due course

Nameste Mother Fucker

Lama Yo Mama

[JCCamp007]

Smith,you're letting all of the false glamour, depression and greed and dog shit that surrounds you in New York City get to you.Don't worry about the batteries,duct tape and plastic.Get out.
Make plans to get out now.Buy a piece of land where you can make a garden and an intelligent stand.
Head to the mountains. The mountains of Bush.Oklahoma and my merry band of self-survivors.

You're striking out at others when you should be helping Daniel to find his way back.
I heard he fried himself pretty good this time.Lets hope he can make it back and not turn into a dumpster diver in Albuquerque.

I do appreciate you and your posts Smith,and hope for the best for you and yours.
Your friend

[silentwolf]

I think, because I have seen this for myself, that jason's point is awareness is the origin.

Jason, some things can't be put into words because they all mean different things to each of us and experience translates poorly on this plane.

[furthur]

Originally posted by Agent Smith:
i AM my body, and my mind... and several other things besides.yes, in a way, you can say you definitely are.

Originally posted by Agent Smith:

YOU might not be seperate individuated entities, but it is presumptous, and snotty, smug, and pompus to claim that you know a damn thing about anyone else's experiences...
I know something about others' experiences.
Do you really think that you only have access to your own experiences?

Originally posted by Agent Smith:
...however i realize that your current levels of spiritual development have not yet reached sufficient heights to attain the proper perspective on my words.

indeed you both come here and make vast sweeping generalizations about 'yous' in your very first posts.
I am sorry, your highness.
But seriously, is that really a bad thing that we did so?
Also I like how you state that one cannot know about others' experiences, and yet you know so much about our "spiritual development".

Originally posted by Agent Smith:
...i suggest you go back to meditating upon the hamster licking it's own testicles, and my words shall become clear to you in due course

Nameste Mother Fucker

Lama Yo Mamahmm...
hamster, huh?
anyways, good post, you made me laugh.
good night, agent

[ September 18, 2005, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: furthur ]

[furthur]

Originally posted by silentwolfxvx:

Jason, some things can't be put into words because they all mean different things to each of us and experience translates poorly on this plane.[/QB]Doesn't mean it is not fun to try to put it into words.

[Agent Smith]

]I know something about others' experiences.
Do you really think that you only have access to your own experiences?

oh of that you can rest assured.

if i do not share it, and a persons wants access to my 'own experiences' then it's an intrusion.

heh... there are some places you don't want to go uninvited.

I am sorry, your highness.

you shall be forgiven this one infraction. see that it does not happen again.

But seriously, is that really a bad thing that we did so?

yes grand declarations of empty cosmic 'truths' generalizing a universality of experience are easy... try again...

Also I like how you state that one cannot know about others' experiences,

oh i did not say that you 'cannot know'...i said it was presumptious... heh...

and yet you know so much about our "spiritual development".

face it you're just not ready yet. one day when you have bowed down to my spiritual authority, and have trod the paths that i and others have walked before you...

you'll realize that i'm yanking your chain...hahaha...

(you could also consider that generalizing a universality of experience is a bit premature. just something to mull over.)

we are not the same.

i am one

one is the begining

i am not herbert

[furthur]

OK, fine.
I was wrong in saying that everyone does or should feel this way.
I actually did not mean to say that, but do see that that is exactly what came out.
However, my personal expirience is exactly what I have said. In my personal experience, everyone and everything is one.
I know that you are yanking my chain, but I find this chain-yanking provoking and am as usual grateful for someone provoking me to think and/or to express myself more clearly.

[Eagle Wing]

Jason,
you wrote,
"The only constant in this whole universe is our awareness of the universe. This awareness is undefiled by anything. It is the mirror apon which the universe is projected. "

indeed i agree that there is a foundational awareness principle in the universe, and the human experience is but one aspect of this. Everything is in a state of constant development and change so in a very real sense, nothing is real.
and yet the feedback loops of experience into the awareness causes this formulation of "ego" as a phenomenon with duration -- just like life itself.
Jung's perspective was that the ego doesn't need to be "transcended"; The ego is part of the experience of being a total human being --
that is, ego is a "fourthness" that, when synchronized with the thridness which is the ratio of experience and awareness, becomes an isotropal vector matrix (all possible stable balances being contained within the tetrahedron).

That is not to say that ego is capable of degrading, distorting, or defiling its own experience. Thus, nourishment can become poison to the reality of the ego. It's important what you experience, and important how you process your remembering to adapt to the acceleration of paying attention/altering the destiny of the possible experience.

One thing about awareness is that it always finds more than one perspective in the mirror.
The ancient creation stories about the twins illustrate the nature of "streams" of awareness that manifest as archetypes and archons.
That is, if you have a stream of awareness then it wll always find its expression through the mirroring of perspective.
The Self looks into the Other.
Anything with perspective has distance, the space that measures the perspective.
Any space has a duration.
So time itself is just like the space between two objects in the universe.
There could be no time without measure, without distance.
So, take a look in the mirror and see yourself looking back out at you.

Do you like what you see?

This is the true nature of Self and Other...
except that there is an added dimension of reality. There is the experience that generates our feedback loops of life.
Gaining the techniques of adapting to and controlling the experience, has been for all of human history the path to power. In the modern world millions of people's fates are controlled by the decisions of a few.
These are the results of the choices that have been made. So, there is such a thing as karma, and such a thing as the forces that have made you who you are.

"i am i because my little dog knows me"
-Gertrude Stein

[JCCamp007]

What I said was that if reincarnation or transmigration of the soul or simply believing you have had previous lives is true,then the most emotional aspects of those lives are remembered by the soul.
Sexual relations,as well as those of birth and dying weigh exceptionally on the creation of Karma and dog shit.
And yes Wolf.I can guarantee that any woman who has my child will get about 1000 per month.And yes Me thinks I ma a God and i think you are a melonhead.
It is not easy growing up surrounded by oil and gas.

[ September 19, 2005, 03:06 AM: Message edited by: JCCamp007 ]

[tana]

hey...i looked in the mirror, and i could swear i saw herbert.

[IMAZOO]

Daniel

what is 007's quote refering to?

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You're striking out at others when you should be helping Daniel to find his way back.
I heard he fried himself pretty good this time.Lets hope he can make it back and not turn into a dumpster diver in Albuquerque.
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[silentwolf]

Daniel hasn't gone far enough yet; returning now would be premature.

And what 007 meant was that we're all gods and melonheads, and we'd be better off hunting deer with sharpened poles and skinning them with our teeth than we would be watching looney tunes and hitting the bong with our uncle.

If it seems to make perfect sense, it's probably wrong.

[jasonjamesmorgan]

All those who recognized the truth, might enjoy this text. It is ancient, and only translated into english a few decades ago. The best, hands down.
sss.vn.ua/tripura1.htm
Namaste
Om Namah Shivaya
Jason James Morgan

[Caprinardo Delirio]

psychotic christian hindujism?!

[Isaiah Mpski]

Was that before or after whacking off Leonardo?

[Isaiah Mpski]

I only know that I am that I am that I AM old pond,new frog:old frog,new pond.

Come on Daniel.Tell us about your tour.
Had any luck?lol

woof

[ June 07, 2006, 02:40 AM: Message edited by: Isaiah Mpski ]