Abraham and "channeling"

[residualantipathy]

Hi all--

Not sure where to post this, but this board seems as good as any.

I was just wondering if anyone had heard of, and could give their opinion of, Esther and Jerry Hicks. Someone passed me a tape of Esther "channeling" and I found it fascinating. She claims to be speaking with the voices of several "evolved beings," who she has named Abraham. The basic message is about how powerful our minds are in creating physical reality. I am usually quite skeptical about this kind of thing, but for whatever reason Abraham resonates, particularly because they talk about the time we are living through as the "most dynamic time ever experienced by physical beings." With all the talk of signs and synchronicities I see on these boards (not to mention 2012), I thought someone might have heard of this. Any reviews?

[daniel]

no but it sounds copacetic (sp?) with all the ideas we are developing here.

similarly i have not read Seth Speaks, but have heard from many people that it is a treasure trove of good stuff.

my problem with channelling is that while much of the information may be excellent, you can't know the ultimate aim of the entity who is being contacted - they may totally appear 99% to be on our side and have our best goals in mind, however that crucial one percent might be some devastating thing that represents some devious aim they are pursuing on subtler levels of consciousness.

[funki23]

i was recently turned on to the Abraham tapes by a friend and also must admit that it makes clear sense to me. at first i thought a lot about the fact that the information Esther speaks is "channeled", but the content is so clear and resonated with me right away that i was able to get past my misgivings regarding channeled self-help tapes. there seems to be no aim beyond that of empowering individuals to tune in to themselves, their emotions, and desires to achieve vibrational alignment with source energy. their message is very clearly expressed in the most articulate way on the three tapes that were given to me. i personally have gained some insights from it. just my 2 cents.

[ November 18, 2004, 07:20 AM: Message edited by: funki23 ]

[susanna]

just came across of an old video of fred allen wolfe speaking on quantum physics and causality: not only does the past create the present. the future creates the present as well.

what a sweet idea.....chew on that one for a while......

peace
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[paul]

Is this the abraham...ibrahim...who built the Kabbala at mecca or another?

susanna... any links for this idea?

first time ive heard it.

Space and time dont exist , of course, its all happening simutaniously, but future thoughts affecting the here and now... how does that work? how can we play with it?
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"here and now boys, here and now"

[ November 18, 2004, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: paul ]

[John Hoopes]

While on the topic of channelling, let's not forget J.Z. Knight and Ramtha of Lemuria:

http://www.ramtha.com/

She is featured in the recent film, "What the #$*! Do They Know?"

The Hicks site is:

http://www.abraham-hicks.com/

For more teachings from the ascended masters, there's also Summit University and the Church Universal and Triumphant:

http://www.tsl.org/

[daniel]

Hi John,

Nice to hear from you again!

Ramtha... I found JZ Knight to have a peculiarly creepy vibe in the Bleep film, giving the movie a kind of cultic undercurrent. I was quite pleased with the movie in some ways (Goswami, Fred Alan Wolfe, Candace Pert and others are presenting a coherent new paradigm that supports my understanding of things), but the culty ambience was the interesting fly in the ointment.

Goswami in his interesting book The Physics of the Soul presents a thesis that quantum physics supports the possibility of channelling as a nonlocal information-transfer from a disincarnate intelligence. I feel his work is a very important step along the path of reconciling esotericism and Western materialist science, though I still feel it is far from a complete task.

[sidecross]

McKenna may have had the best quote on channeling; “just because they are dead doesn’t mean they are smart”.

[ November 22, 2004, 07:52 AM: Message edited by: sidecross ]

[John Hoopes]

Hi Daniel (yes, I've been away too long...)

Sidecross (channeling Terrence) makes a good point. I always wondered why one only hears about the famous reincarnations, like Egyptian princesses or Elizabethan philosophers, and not about reincarnations of the sweet old guy who sold newspapers on the corner or the lady who had an apartment full of cats. I know some folks who seem to be channeling those dumb-as-posts Roman centurions or obnoxious, cigar-chomping businessmen from the 1890s.

[Charlie]

One of the more “out there” revelations in the Seth-channelled books is the existence of the Speakers. Seth is one, of course. These are disembodied intelligences that become incarnate at various points of history, with the purpose of conveying universal truths to mankind about the nature of reality. This knowledge is inherent in all people but often forgotten, obfuscated by man’s preoccupation with physical phenomena.

Seth states that all people experience many reincarnations, perhaps as a starving baby that only lived a week, a spice salesman in the middle ages, a petty official in Rome, etc. These various lives are chosen by the greater soul to experience a well-rounded plethora of emotional and creative states of being. Although these minor existences add to the greater soul, they are not consciously remembered in subsequent lives. However, a particularly powerful personality can create a snowball effect of consciousness, that can carry over and continue into other lives, reincarnating in many people, and affecting the direction of humanity.

You wanna learn how to skin a mule, talk to a mule-skinner. If you wanna learn about reincarnation or crossing dimensional thresholds, you ain't gonna find it in one of them fancy-pants college books...

People like JZ Knight, Jane Roberts, Edgar Cayce, etc. do not have doctorates in channeling, because they don't exist. So are they credible? Truth is in the eye...

I heard a comedian ask, "How come aliens always land outside some illerate's trailer house, and never in Carl Sagan's backyard?"

Funny joke, 'cause it seems to be true...

[ November 23, 2004, 02:53 AM: Message edited by: Charlie ]

[John Hoopes]

Charlie, you're right about the nature of truth but contradict yourself by implying that it can't also be found in fancy-pants books. A doctorate doesn't necessarily make one credible, but it is evidence of a certain level of commitment, discipline, and diligence that is often lacking in the folks who want to sell you cruises, $2500 seminars, and sets of cassette tapes for $89.95 plus tax. Peace can be found in a single breath, and enlightenment in a grain of sand. I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours.

http://www.ku.edu/~hoopes/spidermonkey.jpg

©2004 John W. Hoopes

[ November 23, 2004, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: John Hoopes ]

[Charlie]

Hi, John:

Thanks for the dream invite... smile.gif

What I wrote was half tongue in cheek. I have the utmost respect for men/women of learning and their fields of expertise, but have found through my own experiential "studies" that Science is inherently limited by the empirical method--most intuitional extrapolations of data, creativity, etc., are thrown in the wastebasket. This is fine, and even necessary, when studying certain disciplines.

I'm simply stating that if you want to talk to the dead, you won't find instructions in the Encyclopedia Brittanica. You have to take a chance and read occult literature. Obviously, the quality of the information can vary greatly, and I agree wholeheartedly about exploitation--what I call Gullibility for Gain. Personally, I carry a pretty big BS detector with me.

Cheers, Charlie

[forteanajones]

Thought I'd throw in a link to an interview (http://www.intuition.org/txt/hastings.htm) on this subject with Arthur Hastings. I saw him a few times for hypnosis in recent months, and later learned that in addition to being dean of ITP (http://www.itp.edu/) in Palo Alto, he's also supposed to be a kind of expert on channeling here in the Bay Area.

[Slow Dancer]

I AM a channel of the House of David.