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Caprinardo Delirio
05-31-2007, 11:39 AM
from slate (http://www.slate.com/id/2165004/pagenum/all/#page_start):

Spirit Tech
How to wire your brain for religious ecstasy.
By John Horgan
Posted Thursday, April 26, 2007, at 7:19 AM ET


Eight years ago, I flew to Laurentian University in Midwestern Canada to test a gadget that some journalists called the "God machine." The device consisted of computer-controlled solenoids that fit over the skull and stimulate the brain with electromagnetic pulses. Its inventor, neuroscientist Michael Persinger, claimed that it could induce mystical experiences, including, as Wired magazine put it, visions of "Jesus, the Virgin Mary, Mohammed, the Sky Spirit."

I sat in a ratty armchair in a soundproof chamber and pulled the God machine onto my head as, outside the chamber, a graduate student tapped a computer keyboard. As he bombarded my brain with electromagnetic bursts patterned after brain waves of epileptics in the throes of religious visions, I waited for God or even a minor deity or demon to appear—in vain. Persinger told me later that the device doesn't work on skeptics, implying that it "works" merely by exploiting subjects' suggestibility.

Persinger is one of the more colorful characters in the fast-growing, flakey field of neurotheology, which studies what is arguably the most complex manifestation—spirituality—of the most complex phenomenon—the human brain—known to science. Given that brain researchers have no idea how I conceived and typed this sentence, I doubt they will ever account for religious experiences in all their vast diversity and subtlety. Nor will they solve the riddle of whether God actually exists or is a figment of our evolved imaginations, like unicorns or superstrings. Neurotheology may nonetheless have a profound social impact, by yielding more potent, reliable methods of inducing spiritual experiences.

Surveys suggest that only about one in three people has ever had a mystical experience, defined by one poll as the sensation of "a powerful spiritual force that seemed to lift you out of yourself." Humans have long sought such experiences through meditation, yoga, prayer, guru-worship, fasting, and flagellation, but these methods are unreliable, notes James Austin, author of Zen and the Brain, one of the best books on neurotheology. Austin hopes that neurotheology will eventually yield much more potent, precise methods of inducing transcendent experiences, from fleeting feelings of connectedness all the way up to "the full moon of enlightenment." Persinger's God machine may not have done much for me, but here's a brief status report on four mystical technologies with potential:

Mystical Brain Chips

In the 1950s, Canadian neurosurgeon Wilder Penfield, while preparing epileptic patients for surgery, stimulated their exposed brains with electrodes. Some patients heard voices or music and saw apparitions when their temporal lobes were stimulated. Upon learning about Penfield's experiments, Aldous Huxley wrote: "Is there, one wonders, some area in the brain from which the probing electrode could elicit Blake's Cherubim?"

One still wonders. A Swiss team recently induced out-of-body experiences in an epileptic patient about to undergo surgery by stimulating her right angular gyrus, which underpins spatial awareness. Other groups have shown that implanted electrodes can trigger euphoria, and in fact they are now being tested as treatments for severe depression (as well as paralysis, tremors, and epilepsy). In principle, implants would provide the most precise, powerful means of inducing religious ecstasy. Indeed, self-described "Wireheads" look forward to the day when these devices will vanquish mental suffering and deliver ecstasy on demand. But for now, this technology—which requires inserting wires into the brain through holes drilled in the skull—remains too risky for all but the most desperate patients.

Magic Wands

Transcranial magnetic stimulation, or TMS, is noninvasive and hence safer and easier to test than implants. Researchers have reported success in treating depression and other disorders with this method, which often employs electromagnetic "wands" as well as headsets. Persinger insists that TMS, properly used, can also induce intense mystical experiences.

A group at Uppsala University has tried and failed to replicate Persinger's results in a controlled, double-blind experiment. Todd Murphy, a neuroscientist who has worked with Persinger, is nonetheless marketing a version of the God machine called the "Shakti" (a Hindu term for divinity), which according to Murphy's Web site "uses magnetic fields to create altered states."

Tweaking the God Gene

The work of Dean Hamer, a geneticist at the National Cancer Institute, raises the prospect of genetically engineered mystics. Hamer claims to have found a gene associated with "self-transcendence" or "spirituality" in a group of 1,000 subjects who filled out surveys that probed their beliefs in God, ESP, and so on. Hamer calls this gene "the spiritual allele" or, even more dramatically, the "God gene"—which is also the title of the popular book in which he describes his research. Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, has called Hamer's claim "wildly overstated."

Rick Strassman, a psychiatrist at the University of New Mexico, suggests focusing on genes associated with dimethyltryptamine, the only psychedelic known to occur naturally in the human brain. In his book DMT: The Spirit Molecule, Strassman presents evidence that endogenous DMT underpins mystical visions, psychotic hallucinations, alien-abduction experiences, near-death experiences, and other exotic cognitive phenomena.

Our natural mystical capacity, Strassman speculates, might be enhanced with genetic modifications that boost the production of DMT or of the enzymes that catalyze its effects. A clever, unscrupulous geneticist might even transform us all into mystics without our consent. "I can envision a situation where a cold virus is tinkered with to turn on our methylating enzymes," Strassman says, "spreads around the world in a couple of years, and there you have it."

Good Old Psychedelics

Psychedelic (or entheogenic, literally God-containing) compounds such as LSD and psilocybin represent by far the most mature mystical technology available. Legal research into the therapeutic and spiritual benefits of psychedelics collapsed in the late 1960s after the drugs were outlawed but is now undergoing a renaissance.

Reseachers at UCLA, the University of Arizona, Harvard, and other institutions are treating post-traumatic stress disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and anxiety with psilocybin and MDMA (aka Ecstasy). Last year, a team at Johns Hopkins University reported that psilocybin had triggered profound spiritual experiences in two-thirds of a group of 36 subjects. "Psilocybin, the active ingredient of 'magic mushrooms,' expands the mind," the Washington Post noted drily. "After a thousand years of use, that's now scientifically official."

Psychedelics still pose risks. Peyote triggers nausea, MDMA has been associated with neurotoxicity, and psilocybin caused panic attacks in some subjects in the Johns Hopkins study. Future research could identify regimens and compounds that yield greater benefits with fewer side effects. Independent chemist Alexander Shulgin has identified more than 200 psychotropic compounds that have potential as therapeutic and spiritual catalysts.

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Our current mystical technologies are primitive, but one day, neurotheologians may find a technology that gives us permanent, blissful self-transcendence with no side effects. Should we really welcome such a development? Recall that in the 1950s and 1960s, the CIA funded research on psychedelics because of their potential as brainwashing agents and truth serums.

Even setting aside the issue of control, mystical technologies raise troubling philosophical issues. Shulgin, the psychedelic chemist, once wrote that a perfect mystical technology would bring about "the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end of the human experiment." When I asked Shulgin to elaborate, he said that if we achieve permanent mystical bliss, there would be "no motivation, no urge to change anything, no creativity." Both science and religion aim to eliminate suffering. But if a mystical technology makes us immune to anxiety, grief, and heartache, are we still fully human? Have we gained something or lost something? In short, would a truly effective mystical technology—a God machine that works—save us, or doom us?

craazyman
05-31-2007, 05:24 PM
Well, it seems he left out my Wallbanger. One of the more important patents I filed during the development of the Wallbanger relates to the device's ability to preserve a state of divine discontent even as one is entirely immersed in the throes of mystical union with the universe. In other words, you don't become a complete vegetable and lose all your motivation. For three monthly payments of $99.95, you can't go wrong. And if for some reason it just doesn't work for you, it still looks nice hanging on your wall.

suebee
06-04-2007, 04:11 PM
has anyone done any of the monroe institute's programs?

Isaiah Mpski
06-04-2007, 06:31 PM
Listen Lord CM.I can read the frustration in your voice but don't let the current fall in China make you jump off any buildings.
There is a tremendous amount that will be made I just wish your buddy Greenspam had waited until the first hurricane over here to to come out with his prophecy.That maybe the reason he threw a hex at China.The world couldn't handle all that stress at one time.
You know I've put most of my money in NG and for awhile preached APC.
Now then I think a sure bet is CHK.I read today some company bought Dominion for over 4 billion and Dominion had a total of just a bit over 4 trillion units of proven reserves of NG.CHK has over 9 trillion proven units in reserve.
We had a visitor at the farm this weekend who calibrates instruments for oil companys.He said that CHK had ordered 600 platforms and has also recently bought two drilling companies.I read a speech by Audbrey McClendon,CEO of CHK and he said his company had spent a tremendous amount of money on leases and were now going to go "organic" which means they are going to really start stockpiling NG.
The thing I learned about NG(because I had a car powered by it) is that you don't get the same mileage-in cars using NG-as you do out of using gasoline.In fact about half the gas milage.That means fleets using it have to fill up more often.On the positive side there are few greenhouse gases produced and equipment run on NG last longer.
I am afraid of China CM.Good thing my US Indian roots run deep.I honestly believe that if we got into it with them(because of what is happening in Iraq in terms of supplies and equipment) they could cripple our ability to sustain a conflict short of MAD.
I don't understand Bush anymore.Why would he want to make the Russians mad at US.The best thing Bush could do is turn the whole middle east over to the Commies.Let them spend some money and blood and divide up the whole mess over there and sell US the oil and NG.

Caprinardo Delirio
06-05-2007, 03:41 AM
i've heard a bit about them... i'm not quite sure what kind of footing they have, if you follow me..

Caprinardo Delirio
06-05-2007, 03:47 AM
that's just great isaiah, typical myopic americanism. simply too hard not to take the center of the world point of view? what with your genealogy's unfortunate unfolding, why insist in the importance of americans over, say, most other people in the world, who, in one way or another, are better off than your nation. granted you need help, but we're not here only to help you..

see? ;)

suebee
06-07-2007, 09:35 PM
the monroe institute is still up and running as far as i can see. i read a bunch on their ongoing experiment about ten years ago. they are around the world. has anyone out there done any of their programs?

Isaiah Mpski
06-08-2007, 05:25 AM
Myopic Americanism.Lol.
Cap,you little inbred piece of Socialist shit.You're smoking too much dope.
You'll be 60 years old and unless you inherit something from you're family,you'll still be sitting around doing little but talking.

The genetic imput that my white genes from Europe inherited when they so tragicly tried to snuff out the American Indian has done nothing but give me a greater insight and an ability to think far beyond your 69 points of IQ.

Myopic Americanism.
You'd been better off saying George Bush,white man,Texan,European expatriate Americanism rather than include my Indian heritage in the way he trys to rule the world.

You need to get to America and take advantage of the freedoms we have inherited here and try and make it a better place.Even if it is nothing more than working in a garden half the day and fishing the other half.And of course promoting my Messiahship in your spare time.

gold'n'mean
06-10-2007, 11:52 AM
I vote Isi and Cap take their personal attacks of each other elsewhere... It seems every forum eventually turns into ego-bound bitch sessions. Why is it that, on a forum dedicated to consciousness expansion topics, we have this narrow-minded name calling?

several threads I have been pursuing have you guys pissing on each other... please rise above!

thanks for you respect

Isaiah Mpski
06-10-2007, 12:55 PM
Piss on you piss ant.If you take the heat get out of the kitchen or don't open the door.
You mealy brained worm.I couldn't care less what you vote.
Cap and I aren't mad at each other.Just some friendly jousting while he withers his life away living off his fellow citizens.Don't you wish we could all be so lucky.

I was looking for some sucker to jump on today anyway.
God seems to always provide something like you.Wa wa wa.
There used to be two or three others like you who couldn't stand my double edged sword(tongue) either so hang in there and don't take things so seriously until you find the ability to appreciate dry sarcaism.

Caprinardo Delirio
06-10-2007, 04:09 PM
yeah, you should probably know that isaiah is our on-board hermit-eccentric extraordinare and i wasn't at all serious either.. we bully all the time, and with the low bruise-factor on a board, it sublimates for some of the frustration of the body-less nature of such a place and what follows in lack of intentions and ideas to socially and psychically manifest. think you'd seen that if you'd followed the history on here longer. there's definitely room for streams of discussion by fewer participants without having to move to private quarters. and definitely there's room for fun, humor and sarcasm.

even on a board dedicated to consciousness expansion! :razz:

welcome!

gold'n'mean
06-10-2007, 08:34 PM
OK my mistake...

I was on the metaphysics forum ''frostcloud" and it turned to shit because there were people being genuinely rude and intolerant; NOT sarcastic... but you both claim it's fine so good for you.

I honestly don't give a shit how you want to relate to one another, for me it just breaks the flow of the thread...

peace and and love (could you hear the sarcasm)

Caprinardo Delirio
06-11-2007, 02:59 AM
oh, i agree that a good thread is something to strive for, but i think there is just so many threads that truly become great and some just derail into other things, some good some bad..

i really think this board is one of the most well-behaved boards i've been on.. some boards i've come across have been simply so filled with outright hateful flaming that it literally makes you nauseous and gives you a kind of vertigo.. no, i'm not hoping to further that impression very much :)

craazyman
06-11-2007, 07:02 AM
Golden, if you'd like a Grand Inquisitor's costume complete with a pointed hat and a robe I can sell you an entire outfit. But you'd have to promise to wear it and ferret out thought crimes and other distractions to a stern and uncompromising metaphysical clarity.

For more information please contact my office and ask for Ivanna and Will Annoya. They run my costume divison.

UtopiaWear Incorporated
246 Myo Pike
Great Falls, IN

Note: I capitalized the "W" after paying $2 million to a New York based corporate marketing consulting firm who recommended it after an extensive brand identity study. But if you address the letter to Utopiawear it should be OK.


"Frostcloud" LOL, too true, too true.

Isaiah Mpski
06-11-2007, 08:22 AM
I have seen few boards that actually turn a prophet-all hail Tim Leary- such as this one.
I don't know how you come up with hermit out of a wealthy outcast Cap.

Listen Gold-here is my plan-you first have to go to yahoo group PickOverFlow and see the picture of THE farm.Where it is marked U.S. Government has now been "almost" turned back to the adjoining landowner-me-so to start off with we have about 2/3's of the area of the project to the east of us.The same holds true for all the quarter million acres of land surrounding Lake Eufaula.

We need people who can stay straight and sober enough to get the ball rolling for an intellectual group such as this to make this "experiment" a money making,heaven based spiritual,communal based on a benevolent dictaorship of non violence.The land has been appraised for over two M.

From here,using the phenomena of external catalytic phenomenazation,we will acquire land in the mountains of New Mexico or the like and Mexico where we will prepare a throne for our bird brained leader,Daniel,and his groupies.

And you Lord CM.Fill free to call on the Chinese embassy and work out some sort of real estate deal for 20 acres of the land or less.
I understand,in less than three years,one in ten tourists will come to the US.It seems logical to me that the Chinese would want a piece of scenic land in the middle of the US where they could drive anywhere in N. America in two days and they could rent rooms and cars.
As I understand it,there is a push by Boone Pickins to compete via CNG with the great oil refiners for a cheaper,cleaner burning fuel.China apparently has found an abundance of it and look for alot of both CNG and diesel autos being produced there and shipped to the US.

What a great world to be living in if you have a million dollars cash.

gold'n'mean
06-11-2007, 12:25 PM
Isaiah, went there but could not find any photos...?

I had the same project in Australia, nice little valley 100 acres farmed/garden paradise but ego-politics ruined the dream and now I live in Canada. Little chilly for my sub-tropical sensibilities but anywho.

I have run cars on 85%h2o and 25%NG, dyno tested an everything. You're definitely barking up the right tree, transport industry certainly has a few tricks up it's sleeve that most commentators miss.

After plugging into universal matrix I basically opted out of "technoilogy will saves us" mindset as quantum logical interface was beyond eschatological narratives... the hyperbole of hyperspace is not for the faint at heart!

I'm going to be writing articles on my travels into heperspace on Daniels new site realitysandwich.com. I studied with Australian aboriginals then branched out on my own after consumming and transforming Dreamtime language into hyperspace navigation tech. Psylocibin symbiosis with Galactic intelligence tends to anhilate dog(on)matic representations of hive-bound grounded butterflys!

Leary expected the Futants and I downloaded his hyper-galactic intelligence to shake 2000 years of synaptic history into post-historic ontological wavefront... Fully wired cyber-biological holgraphic nanobot... if anyone can tell you what maybe post 2012 if it "I", but ego projections make it difficult for hive-mind to grasp other when seen as same species??

Not even Terrence took the ROTE as far as I did; I simply was not stopping til the END and I made it.

I'm here to share... to those that can hear/read!

peace out (sarcasm removed)

sidecross
06-11-2007, 01:12 PM
gold’n’mean are you aware of the work of Dr. Amory Levins?

I read a fascinating article by Elizabeth Kolbert on him in the 1/22/07 of The New Yorker.

nanouk
06-11-2007, 01:39 PM
Oh Lord Laird, your fire is truly admirable! :cool: May your future be bright.

i'll come back, i'll come back, but right now i need to concentrate on being a jobslave in order to get back on my previously broken (foot)feet...and get back into finishing my book...too many distractions and setbacks...

funny innit, i consider myself spiritual but would not for love or money work in a "Chrystal and Insence Shop" or read cards for a living...i rather stand behind a bar and perform the Great Work there, backbreaking as it is, i love it!

your bartender and your barber is the best and least expensive therapist.

and REAL.

keep up the banter, too many ppl are too serious for too many hours each day, we all know when a thread is truly essential to keep on track.

All the best to the BOTH ramblers,

Love and Respect,

~N~

gold'n'mean
06-11-2007, 08:19 PM
gold’n’mean are you aware of the work of Dr. Amory Levins?

I read a fascinating article by Elizabeth Kolbert on him in the 1/22/07 of The New Yorker.

sidecross,

yes am familiar with Amory Lovins views. I think energy produced at the source (or as close as possible) is key! The h2o unit is mounted under the hood and supplies gasses as needed so no storage issues/dangers.

diversified solutions for future needs not ONE new technology, will save the day.
wind/solar/hydro/tidal/bio-fuels/hydrogen etc will all be deployed...

peace out

Isaiah Mpski
06-12-2007, 02:18 PM
Gold,I went to yahoo group PickOverFlow.The pics are still there.When you get into the site click on photos-labeled Misc now.Three pictures.Picture of the farm-it is the undeveloped area surrounded by masses trying to escape the city,and two other pictures.One of Quanah Parker by himself and one of him and I at his 150th birthday celebration.
By the way,the farm is in eastern OK,that is interstate 40 running through the south part of it.It has shallow coal,natural gas,and perhaps pockets of oil.
We have a permit from the feds which allows us to pump 6200 gallons of water to our crops etc everyday Tremendous opportunity for right collection of people.
Yes,I also lived in Canada for awhile.Hope B.C.
Beautiful place.

Garden is looking great,just needs more working.

sidecross
06-13-2007, 05:51 PM
I reread the Elizabeth Kolbert piece in the 1/22/2007 New Yorker on Amory Levins which I highly recommend to be sought out at your library. I listed two quotes below from the article which by themselves deserve their own attention.


Pogo: “We stand here confronted by insurmountable opportunities.”

Marshal McLuhan: Only puny secrets need protection; big discoveries are protected by public incredulity.”