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Humberto
07-11-2004, 08:47 AM
I wan't sure under which Section I should post this but this is an experience I would like to share.

I nor my 2 other friends were not on any psychedelic drugs nor any type of drug; but this is still something I would like to share:

This is a testimony. This is no joke.

Before I became a Christian, I was about 17 years old.

In my High School they had a class called Midnight Literature where the teacher taught students about demonology. It was illegal for him to teach about God but legal for him to teach about demonology. That's America now.

The teacher would hand out ditto papers of the demonology heirarchy printed out and the names of the demons and the ruling principalities (or whatever you call them) like the chief of asia, the ruling demon of europe, the ruling demon of north america, etc. It also showed 1st in command all the way down to like tenth.

Anyway, the teacher told us once that his son was once having nightmares, it was a recurring nightmare, so one day he asked his son what the demon looked like in his nightmare and when he described it, it was the same demon that he the teacher was making fun of his name in class (cause he thought he had a funny name)

Anyway, the teacher told us the names of the books on how to summon demons and he even told us where we could buy them. So one day me and 2 friends bought one of the books. We never did anything in the book (we didn't do any summoning) but we would just browse the book.

So one day we were playing cards in the basement of my building when my one friend looked over to his right and he was freaking out and started crying and he was trying to speak but he could not speak. There was total fear in his eyes. After awhile he was able to speak and we asked him what was wrong.

He said something big and evil slammed the door open (like an invisible door) and started pointing at him and telling him that he like wanted him or something like that. (as in a very threatening way) saying "you're mine" (threatening him)

My other friend who was there just started laughing and I took it serious and thought he was losing it (that he was hallucinating) and told him he should seek some professional help. It didn't even occur to me and my other friend that what he felt could had been real in any way.

The next day me and my other friend (the one who didn't feel anything and was laughing at our other friend the previous day) went to the same spot to eat chinese food. We were very hungry and were eating without talking when all of a sudden I felt this 'thing' enter the room. When I felt that 'thing' walk in the room I automatically spit the food out of my mouth and dropped the fork. I looked at my friends eyes and he did the same exact thing at the same time. He spit the food out of his mouth and dropped his fork into his container of food. I looked at my friends eyes and saw total fear in his eyes. I asked him, "Do you feel it?" He said "yea." And we both stood up and backed ourselves against the wall.

What I am about to describe there are no human words to describe.

It was invisible. It was HUGE. And it wanted to kill us.

Me and my friend later spoke of every detail we both felt and we both agreed on every detail.

It was HUGE. I cannot give exact meausurements.

It could had easily been between 9 and 13 feet tall. It's presence was very very wide. It was very strong and powerful and it hated our living guts. It was pure evil.

We both felt like toothpicks in front of this thing. It was a fallen angel and it was one of the 'big boys.' It was no joke. We felt total and complete fear. The fear was so bad that you feel like you're going to die.

Even if I were as big or bigger than Arnold Schwarzeneger at his prime I still would had felt like a toothpick in front of this thing. It could had snapped our necks like toothpicks (and it wanted to but it had 'no permission')

This thing could probably kill a hundred men with the swoop of his arm. I have no idea but that's how it felt. It could probably kill thousands in just seconds.

It hated our living guts. It wanted us dead, it wanted to kill us, but it had 'no permission'

We felt like the 'permission' was like an invisible wall between us and it.

There are no human words to describe this but it hates our living guts. It wants us all dead. It hates the fact that babies are born everyday. That thing was so evil it would kill a tiny cute baby in a heartbeat with no mercy whatsoever if it could. It hates our living guts and wants us all dead.

It wanted to kill us but it had 'no permission'.

My friend was freaking out and saying to me, "Oh my God we're going to die, Oh my God we're going to die, what do we do? Oh my God we're going to die."

I was thinking to myself... "what do we do? (referring to what he was asking me)... why are you asking me?" I was thinking (I felt it was ridiculous that he was asking me "what do we do?") (as in who am I to ask me such a thing)

Again, there are no human words to desribe this. It was total and complete fear. It was pure evil and it hates our living guts and it wants us all dead. It hates the fact that babies are born everyday. Like cochroaches.

It wanted to kill us but it had 'no permission'

After my friend was freaking out and asked me that I than remembered what my Christian neighbors said (they were at the time preaching to me and my friends)

I remembered something they said so I said to it: "I rebuke you in the Name of Jesus"

(Looking back now I made a mistake. I should had said: "May the LORD rebuke thee in the Name of Jesus the Christ")

When I said that, when I mentioned the Name of Jesus, it totally freaked out, it became enraged beyond belief. Than we both felt that invisible wall (that permission) now became like a very thin piece of sting and it came closer and it wanted to kill us.

So when I said that my friend freaked out and said, "Oh my God why did you say that? You made it worse. You made it worse. Why did you say that? You made it worse."

I became confused and more afraid and didn't understand why the situation became worse (but it was seconds, it was happening so fast it's hard to explain if you know what I mean)

I thought we were possibly going to die. There are no words to describe this. The fear was so great there are no human words to describe.

All of a sudden we both felt something above it enter (but the one above did not 'fully manifest' itself) Like a fish in a fishbowl and you stick the tip of your finger inside the fishbowl and the fish sees your finger but not the rest of your body.

Well the one on top (which appeared) than said to 'it' ... exact words: "Back Off They Belong To ME" (it stressed the word ME kind of)

When the one on top said that to it I was so RELIEVED and I thought that 'it' would just obey and back off and this nightmare would finally be over.

But to my surprise (surprised and perplexed even to this day) 'it' did not want to obey !!!!!!

The one on top than had to physically push this thing back and they were like wrestling, pushing eachother (for like a few seconds it was almost like equal) until the one on top finally pushed it back.

We both than ran nonstop for 3 blocks to the front of my friends house. I stopped in front of my friends house (my friend was going to keep running but when he saw me stop he reluctantly stopped too)

Well, to this day I don't understand that it did not obey when it was told to back off and the one on top had to physically push it back. It is a mystery to me. To this day I do not understand the 'rules of engagement' there (of the spiritual warfare) It is a Mystery to us

We later burned those books and I later became a Christian and God Himself revealed Himself to me in Jesus Name.

I could go on with more details but I will stop now.

What happened here was a true event and we were not hallucinating. It was real.

Humberto
07-11-2004, 08:55 AM
I would like to add something to this part:
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Again, there are no human words to desribe this. It was total and complete fear. It was pure evil and it hates our living guts and it wants us all dead. It hates the fact that babies are born everyday. Like cochroaches.
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I felt like if it 'could' turn a man into a transvestite that it would because that would mean that that man would not produce babies by impregnating women.

toppersbazaar
07-11-2004, 03:00 PM
humberto your post is most scary....I am afraid I believe every word of it...the one thing that makes me believe is your repitition of there being no "words" that is the one common truth when it comes to a spiritual experience.....in fact it is the opening sentence to my book...."Words are futile" I am working on returning to my roots as a Christian your story is just one more little "shove" of many that are helping me find my way home. Peace

toppersbazaar
07-11-2004, 03:09 PM
I am hoping that Jesus will help me with the process of "gingerly put my head back together" something I'v been working on for 18 years. My inner journey was so thorough that at the end The "me" was practically gone...i havn't felt any real "relation" to physical existed since then...for the sake of my wife though i need to get back to where i once belonged....Some eastern philosophy says.....we should spend our first 20 years learning our 2nd 20 working and our last 20 being spiritual...I totaly got it backwords...i need to get "less" one with the infinite and more one with my brother......I think that is a big pitfall to us who travel the path of spiritual awakening...it is so powerful and fulfilling that we sometimes forget the importance of treating even the dirtiest and lowest of people like God....in fact that is our REAL test here right now...this game was set up for us to learn how to love more than meditate and tripp inner journeys....not that it's bad....but it's bad when loving your common man takes back seat to loving our One on One experiences with god....any good Guru will tell you that what i am talking about is a common temptation wjen traveling the path of inner awakening...I am so exited that i found a board where people know where i'm coming from try my "worldview" it at toppersbazaar.com

Humberto
07-12-2004, 02:31 PM
toppersbazaar: yes, it was very scary.
After I became a Christian I tried to share this experience with the other Christians but they didn't want to hear it. They felt that it was evil to even talk about.

toppersbazaar: If you truly seek God's Face with a humble and contrite heart He will eventually reveal Himself to you if it is His will.

I also feel that for some people, exercising the body can be very healthy.

I myself just bought some Russian Kettlebells with a Russian Kettlebell video and I highly recommend it for those who want to exercise the body.

You can search for it on the internet.

Humberto
07-15-2004, 03:09 PM
toppersbazaar: Yes, it all comes down to love.

love thy neighbor as thyself and to love your enemies and pray for them

I have come to the conclusion to take that last part literal.

You don't have to hang out with your enemies or socialize with them, but if one has an 'enemy' and you daydream of bashing their face in...
Than one has the duty to pray for that person.
That's what I do when someone gets under my skin.

But I don't hang out with them or talk to them
I just pray for them.

bum
08-13-2004, 01:45 PM
Now, this may seem off the wall, but how do you know that this Jesus character and all his companions aren't simply more intelligent Demons? Maybe they have forsook death and destruction (because really, just wanting to kill every human being is naive and childlike... come on Demons, grow up). Maybe they've transformed into control freaks? They feed off your sacrifice... whether good or bad. If you're sacrificing yourself for the devil or god, either way, you're giving yourself to them. It's either the good side or the bad side, they're all control freaks.

Anyway, I don't really believe that your high school taught a demonology course. That brings your whole story into a question of credibility. No offense of course... I wouldn't expect you to run around believing everything you read on internet message boards, either.

Humberto
08-16-2004, 03:24 PM
bum:

I met God and His love for us is so strong and powerful that there are no human words to describe it.

I felt the presence of that fallen angel and it litteraly hates ou living guts, as I described in the original post.

Lowlight
08-16-2004, 11:42 PM
i like supernatural stories and i know they can be true from my own experience, but im not sure about your story. Why did you repeat so many things all the time? is like you were telling a joke or something. anyway about the sacrificing to higher powers, man dont you think this is the way things are? all action is sacrificial. just as our food is sacrificed to us we too are slain. What if the relationship is one of love/respect/peace and done in order to maintain existence? The gods may sacrifice them self to even higher causes. I see no problem with Higher beings feeding off us in some way as long as it is not with evil intent. we all feed of each other. Its the way things are.

The Light
08-17-2004, 01:50 AM
Humberto,

Jesus said "Love your enemies" and yes he meant it.

Why wouldn't you hang out with them? If you love them, don't be afraid to be with them.

(I'm not being cynical. I'm being earnest. Take it to the next Level. There's always the Next Level...)

bum
08-17-2004, 12:03 PM
humberto, are you sure you met God? Many situations that are created in the brain can be related to external occurences. I'm sure someone who has eaten enough MDMA has felt God's love. It's easy to say you met God without a more logical explanation.

light, Jesus also said not to resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, offer him the other as well (Matthew 5:38). Although you shouldn't neccessarily hang out with your enemies, you might want to try and pray for them or something of that sort.

oracle, I see your point and I agree... but what if this is true, and they don't care much about love and respect and all that good stuff, but they use it to suck in certain people on earth to sacrifice themselves. That means all the Christians recieving all of God's light and love are just partaking in a little trade, worthy of nothing, like a teen overpricing a bag of weed and selling it to a little niave kid.

[ August 17, 2004, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: bum ]

Humberto
08-17-2004, 03:40 PM
I'm not going to waste my time and debate you mockers and scorners

goodbye

Lowlight
08-18-2004, 01:19 AM
yeah bum thats a possiblity for some higher powers but do you really think that could be the case for everything that is more developed than humanity? Some may well be users and some may be utterly malignant, but just as there are people who really care so there could be in higher order entities. What are we to make of cases of genuine healings and ? Of course the possibility we could be being misled remains. Even if you pray to none when you die you will still be lifes own sacrifice. All you can do is to be aware and cautious of that with which you come into contact with, just like in human relationships. Be careful and think about what you are getting into. Look at the native shamianic cultures of old and presnet that seem integrated into nature and life much more than the west. Look at their religion and ritual which gives praise to higher orders. They seem more stable as a people and the main threat to them stems from 'us' the West not their Gods. And hey Humberto im not calling you a liar or anything its just the way you wrote the story seemed to me a bit suspect with all the repetitions, thats all. I have no doubt that things like what you describe can and do happen.

bum
08-18-2004, 10:43 AM
humberto, I'm not mocking or scorning... I'm questioning, like any other healthy individual.

oracle, no! I don't think that's the case for everything up there... I only suggested it, again, to question. I agree completely with everything you said!

You know, when I think about how the settlers in America killed off the Native Americans it really upsets me... I feel genuine compassion. I saw a beautiful painting once of a Native American woman standing on the ledge of a mountain and below her it said the Cree saying, "Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money."

I'd like so much to get back to nature... I'm sick of all this trading. I want to catch and grow my own food!

Humberto
08-24-2004, 06:21 AM
The Light:

Yes you are correct, about loving your enemies.
But to do that one would have to be totally filled with the Holy Spirit of God.
One cannot do that in the flesh.

Also every situation is different.
So sometimes it is good just to pray for them, and to to hang out with them nor socialize with them.