The site: the truth...

[Vitalij]

For those who didn't come accross it yet: "Earth - the planet of biorobots" (http://www.godswhip.info/)

Enjoy!

Vitalij

[daniel]

Alright, I got sucked in and spent some time reading through this site this morning.

I find that I essentially agree with the basic conception of the site, but I also find myself depressed/distressed by the mode of articulation. Obviously the English is "broken," but beyond that, there is something bleak about this particular articulation of the mystery. The whole "biorobot" concept in itself is funny, true enough, yet a repellant formulation - a bit like calling this spacetime continuum "the matrix," rather than being a bit more embracing and positive towards the reality we have been given to nurture, and considering it Maya, or perhaps Mother Earth.

There seems to be a tendency of the modern male techno-materialist rational mindset, having finally been forced to confront the mystery of the spirit and the reality of spiritual evolution, still trying to make some kind of mechanistic determination out of it - using computer or industrial / technological metaphors. The choice of metaphor is not incidental - language or the mode of articulation is crucially important, I think, more important the subtler the domain you are seeking to define.

So the "enlightened" Russian emissary manages to setdown before us a vision that lacks beauty but foregrounds cynicism and a cruel deterministic vision that seems typically Russian in the stress on the negative.

It was funny, however, even thought-provoking at points.

[nanouk]

daniel:
"There seems to be a tendency of the modern male techno-materialist rational mindset, having finally been forced to confront the mystery of the spirit and the reality of spiritual evolution, still trying to make some kind of mechanistic determination out of it "

...as always in our patriarchal world...i think that is the point of the shift, like the Q'uero prophecy, the pachacuti is not a new messiah, it's a new consciousness growing among peoples of all nations, different sources at which spiritual evolution has been achieved, but we will all come together in the end, the generation they are all so afraid of, Generation X.

respect,

nanouk

[jezebelle]

It's kinda cool we have a russian link around. (As a kid I always loved playing the russian spy on the farm. Never to be caught in the seek and find game.) My goodness what a photo, dramatic.

I kinda dig the tec-ki stuff but really love the diversions of nature too. I confess some of my life is biorobotic; but when I take the time, it becomes something other then the zen emptiness of being in the mode.
It is a fierce look at the big engine, but there should be no fear because the intelligence inherent will lead (we) biorobots to a better vehicle of connection to the mother, which of course lives everywhere even in electricity.
Respect, love & chi to the board. jez

[Vitalij]

Hello!

Thank you for the brief "review" and responses. I hope that (despite my broken English) you could grasp that there are serious spiritual practitioners (do not forget to check the annotation to the site if you have missed it!) through whose channels the published on the site materials were received. (Needless to say, a true spiritual teacher cannot be "Russian", neither can he be "enlightened" in the brackets). Hence, the visitors are bound to have various problems with The Informations.

But regardless of "the mode of articulation", the Informations will do their job.

The Information from The Highest can only be perceived on the level of intuition by letting it through the mind in imperturbable manner without the emotional seizure of any kind. For the energy of the Highest is destructive for any consciousness which does not control its own mind.

Everything depends on what type of accent the reader will put on psychoenergy informations: they will either shift the consciousness towards the progress side (if it moves along the path of their practical realization), or towards the regress (if it takes everything on the level of emotions and feelings). That's why they have the emotional colouration, essentially a negative one, that carries in its germ a huge devastating force. And if the reader is unable to consciously let them through via his bioapparatus for a practical use, then he will (regardless of whether he will take them in positively or negatively) unavoidably get into their powerful flow, that way having destroying himself to the core.

Vitalij

[ September 30, 2004, 06:26 PM: Message edited by: Vitalij ]

[willoweyes]

Bioapparatus indeed! Horace Walpole said it neatly: "This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel."

[jezebelle]

Hi Vitalij and others,
I guess when you look at it, it seems very "steiner-like" with reference to the idea of self interacting with the itellect. Certainly staying in the center of your feelings, will allow a certain part of self to be free, inorder to create with the tools of the mind, via art.
Yet intellect without the motor of feelings behind it, can be cold.
I envision it's how you direct the engine with-the-mind that might be the harvest of this world. Another way to say it is we are creatures of the sun and the moon (mind and heart) and the whole world is on fire with the passion of life. Built for change, we thicken our awareness and hop to somewhere we've never been. . . through may fruitful exchanges, unifying.

[Vitalij]

Originally posted by Manning:
...If I replaced the word "biorobots" with "ego-mind" for example, it made more sense to me.There's another facet of "brutal arithmetic" the site goes into, for which the term "biorobot" is more appropriate. If we are talking about a mere two million or so people left on the planet in the course of apocalyptic developments, wouldn't it be more logical to use more "down to earth" terms?

But the overall journey and experience of contact with a divine force and the journey it takes to get there -- the encounter of burning forces, self-sacrifice, purity of intent, blissful union-- those all made sense to me too. All in all, a more mystical event than shamanistic.That's more about a soul (a consciousness that uses its biomachine for receiving cosmic education). And, speaking of biorobotic technologies, when there will be such a planetary need, a crude body-shell (that happened to turn into a corpse) can be populated by a different soul - subject of Avatar's assessment.

[daniel]

Vitalij,

Actually if you were to pinpoint what I most emphatically disagree with in your site, it was that positing of a number (2 or 5 million survivors), which to me seems both arrogant and condescending, almost contemptuous towards humanity. It also reduces something sacred to the status of a survivor gameshow.

How do you know what G-d has intended for this little planet? Perhaps everyone makes it through the sieve this time - I don't actually see why not. If consciousness is a nonlocal event, there could be a sudden phase-transition that takes billions along with it.

Also if we are noticing that consciousness determines material reality and thought has power to change reality, then to put this negative thought out there so emphatically, is to help to reify a really horrendous position. I would back away from such adolescent-sounding predictions, if I were you, especially if you want to be one of the ones who gets through the sipapu!

[michael heany]

"If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray, you will be condemned, and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits."

This is from the Gospel of Thomas, and it's a hard lesson to learn, but I'm getting there.

The idea, I think, is this: if you insist on a set of beliefs whose end result is that you are not good enough, then guess what? You're going to always feel like you're not good enough.

If you believe in a God above you, you will run into trouble eventually, because you will always be an underling, which is no fun.

It's a tricky road, and you fall down a number of times before you start to get the point.

And Daniel is right: your words have power, there's that saying from the the same Gospel about how what goes into your mouth doesn't contaminate you, what comes out does. So if you find yourself telling yourself a story with demons or whatever negativity, don't be surprised if you find those shadows becoming more real... But you'll snap out of it, and then laugh...

One reason kundalini yoga works quickly is its inherent silliness. There are many built in features that remind you that it's a product of the imagination, and not a belief system. (Some exercises insisting you do it THIS WAY ONLY. Others which have very vague instructions and you're left wondering: what am I supposed to do here?) When you start to take it too seriously, you miss the point. So this morning I asked myself "Well, do I feel like I need to do kundalini this morning?" "No I'd rather take a walk!"

[Vitalij]

Hi Daniel and others,

First just a brief remark that it's not going to be an overnight process straight down to two million survivors. Will allow myself a quote from the article Did Nostradamus know all that?.. (http://www.godswhip.info/forum_1.html#nostr):

"The first wave torrent will sweep off the Earth's face everything absolutely unsuitable to any sort of evolution. This figure may reach 4-5 billion of the earthmen unable to annihilate negative forms of thoughts-and-wishes and transform their energy for their good. A kind of Evil self-execution on strictly voluntary basis will happen. After that a second wave torrent, which will cut off all the hues of earthly concepts about Good and Moral, will be activated. Where only those who will be able to brake their internal stamps imposed by false moral of the surrounding society will survive. For Good and Selfless Sacrifice can not have any national, relational, religious and other predatory impulses."

But to the question you ask of how do I know. Simple: I know it from reading the Informations (coupled with my personal intuitive impulses). Which obviously may bring another series of logical questions about how people who wrote down these materials know. Well, the answers are given in plain text on the site: they got these files from the Cosmic Server. Everyone can access them - just a matter of getting the right access privileges and off you go! (Every moment the files "behind the firewall" can be changed, turning the older ones into disinformation, so it's more practical to work with the Cosmic Server in "here and now" - "Cosmic Relaxation" is a term for such work.)

More to the same point. Simplifying the explanation, one can say that there are (or there were) people "writing" the materials on the site, and people "reading" them. One may also notice that there are (there were) numerous scriptures and other (pseudo-) spiritual texts the authors (or indoctrinated followers rather) of which claimed divine force that governed their writing. (Koran and Bible, for which one can see some constructive criticism on the site by the way, - being among the well known examples).

To me what one can read on the site (Russian is the original language) is the most non-distorted truly spiritual texts around. (Even though even these informations are also becoming quickly outdated, - what to say about the other scriptures, - contaminated by all sorts of rubbish beyond recognition anyway). For it was captured by, as I mentioned earlier, serious spiritual practitioners.

Those who are into shamanism-related topics or at least familiar with "conventional" scriptures (mentioning Jesus Christ's fasting for 40 days in the desert etc. etc.) should appreciate, for example, the fact that Raisa Raskovalova who wrote the annotation (http://www.godswhip.info/annot.html) to the site, has a practical dry fasting (that is no water, no food was taken during the fast) experience of 70 (!) days. And this is where we are approaching another subject: some "readers" may not trust this bit of information, let alone the other matters covered on the site (and it's their choice). Nobody is going to convince anyone in anything here (while the developments of unfolding on this planet events might, though).

Well, there's one reader who is also the author of translation of the site (sounds entertaining) who believes the simple and plain enough language there. If the author writes that she could see the spaceships - Nostradamus's comet (from mentioned above article for forum), I believe she did. If there is some information that was received for mass use (during more than two decades since The Spiritual Teacher received the Enlightenment), I think it's worth to become familiar with it. One doesn't smash the mirror that shows not very pleasant faces and events - so why blame the Informations from Above? For they only mirror-like reflect the reality of our future, however bitter that may sound, that's all. If the humanity can change its fate towards a better one (like to have not two million, but two or twenty billion survivors) - I can only welcome that. But do you see some truly positive, overwhelming thinking happening on the planet, the one that will "save the world"? I would expect the Humanity to demonstrate some trust to those above, not to spit into that direction. But it is precisely these spits into the wrong direction that will bury into the mass-grave the people so tenderly looking after their mother-Earth.

I hope my words above do answer your question (at least to a certain extent).

Cheers,

Vitalij

[Vitalij]

Originally posted by michael heany:
The idea, I think, is this: if you insist on a set of beliefs whose end result is that you are not good enough, then guess what? You're going to always feel like you're not good enough.

If you believe in a God above you, you will run into trouble eventually, because you will always be an underling, which is no fun.Right. Michael, let's further develop this idea and try to give it some practical perspective. Please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that you imply that your set of beliefs (centred around christianity as I understood, - again please correct me if I am wrong) suggests that you're "good enough". That is, everywhere and in everything you act as Jesus Christ, not less than that. You always practically demonstrate your spiritual level as equal to or exceeding that of the etalon of your religious system. Can you please verify this statement? If you do not outperform or at least equal Jesus Christ "on a daily basis" then can you please elaborate on what was your point. Whom are you trying to describe (sounds like some so-called christian)?

[daniel]

Vitalij,

You are choosing to accept a certain group of texts as valid, and ignoring other traditions or interpretations that conflict or ignore or are deeply ambiguous, and a product of interpretation.

As for "negative thought-forms," what could be more obviously a negative thought-form than the idea that everyone on Earth is going to perish except for 2 - 5 million "enlightened"? And who is putting out that negative thought form? Who is responsible for it? According to your own belief structure, who may ultimately pay the unpleasant consequences for promoting it?

You, Vitalij.

Be a little more humble (and a bit more honest). Do you really know the karmic reasons all of these other "biorobots" have been dropped into the matrix? Are you so much (or any) better than them? Isn't it possible that God has wiser purposes and more compassionate plans than you can imagine from your puny yet unbelievably arrogant perspective?

You are taking Nostradamus as some kind of authority? That is what you are basing your spiritual philosophy on? Those stupid rhyming couplets? You feel you have the right to proclaim the destruction of billions based on what a few channels put down?

As for channels and transmissions, there are so many from so many different angles - if you want to follow one school, why not adopt the most positive and beautiful vision rather one that consigns 99% of humanity to the cosmic trash heap? This is your ego-mind spinning its own fantasy of cosmic omnipotence and self-importance, using psuedo-sources to bolster its distorted and willfully perverse vision.

According to your own twisted philosophy, you will reap what you sow. Your own negative thought forms will come back at you with a vengeance.

If I were you, I would reevaluate the adolescent know-it-all tone of your website, and make NO predictions about mass cataclysms if you have really understood that thought and consciousness maintain reality.

[michael heany]

All I'm saying is this: if your particular spin on the Shift is making you paranoid, then maybe take a step back. Consider that. I don't know if you're paranoid or not. But from my own experience a typical symptom of paranoia is an insitstence on one's own current perspective.

I'm not going to defend my take, because I don't feel like locking into even my own present picture.

It just seems to me that if you know yourself to be conscious, then you're on board. Consciousness evolves.

What isn't clear to me yet is whether this is going to be a step (meaning a leap followed by a new level that is stable and maintained) or whether its a contnuous upward movement into new realms.

[jezebelle]

The theme of sacrifice was mentioned earlier.

Perhaps we sacrifice our fear for the future, and be REALLY in the presence of the light . . . of the day. Being in aliveness
Somehow appreciating every moment with mind and heart yields its own safe passage. I mean what is no-life?
I compare it to Carlos C. "stopping the world."

[willoweyes]

Doomsayers have a long history of public excoriation; look at poor Cassandra. It doesn't require a vengeful goddess to be disbelieved; people naturally prefer to ignore dire signs.

I'm not saying that one shouldn't encourage positive thinking--it certainly makes one's journey through life more pleasant. I'm not an advocate of reality-grasping--I avoid it whenever possible. However, I think it is helpful to admit that the mighty forces of the universe are not consistently swayed by our positive thoughts.

We have treated our Mother badly. I do not feel She is anxious to reward us.

It's like the movie Dogville. Nicole Kidman, a Christ figure, is horribly brutilized by humanity. Her father (angry Jehovah) shows up and they have a philosophical discussion. They decide to rub out the whole town.

Even though I take others' words for it--His love for His children passeth all understanding--I still find it a little hard to accept the story that G-d would reward us with Eternal bliss, after we had rubbed out His son in an access of lust, rage, jealousy and cowardice.

Life is a struggle. Every sign around us points to an eat or be eaten universe. And bad behavior is seldom rewarded, in the long run. I think we must take a very active role in the salvation of our Mother

I don't think we have any cause to be sanguine about the future. I say this not to transform you into a quivering mass of fearful jelly--I say this to beg all who read this to realize it could be your actions that save the world--and you must act as if your actions are just that vital. And Life hangs in the balance.

[michael heany]

The God of the Bible is not the true God. You don't have to worry about him.

We rack our brains, what does that statement mean, "God is infinite Love" Does that point to something that we can experience and assent to as true?

How can that be?

We're going to find out...

(How would you like to be immortal?)