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Caprinardo Delirio
08-30-2006, 09:59 PM
you really think that the dalai-lama is a cia-nazi, or were you just allegorizing for us?
:confused:

lovemanifest
08-31-2006, 02:24 AM
Does your opinion of the Dalai Lama simply rely on someone stringing together a convincing code of letters and words?

I have been to Dharamsala. I have been all over India and Nepal, and I taught English to the monks near the Dalai Lama's home. I'm not Drew, and I didn't write a thesis on this, but I can tell you from experience that if the Dalai Lama is anything less than a beautiful display of the human potential, we are all fucked.

Isaiah Mpski
08-31-2006, 03:03 AM
Amen,and aren't we glad the Buddha told me not to buy a place on the Pacific last week?
But I'll be heading down there soon.Anyone want to go with us?

drew hempel
08-31-2006, 06:39 AM
Funny you all should ask for clarification because yesterday I researched the issue thoroughly. My friends are hard-core commies and refused to watch a DVD from http://gnn.tv about the Chinese destruction of Tibet (with rare archival footage).

Instead they point out that Tibet had a Feudal society with tens of thousands of beggars and almost everyone else were serfs. The small private army of the Dalai Lama would hunt down any serfs that tried to escape and those chosen to be monks were often submitted to rape by the monastery monks.

Well lots of these sources are actually interviews conducted by the Chinese published in Peking! The Chinese also claim that when the thousands of monasteries were destroyed in Tibet during the Cultural Revolution first the rare, sacred artifacts were collected and systematically cataloged and stored somewhere in China. But that contradicts all news on the Cultural Revolution being a wild, rabble of frenzied looting.

But it is true that the CIA was in Tibet before the Commies (building on their Nazi collaborators) and the CIA tried to foment ethnic uprisings against the Commies (not just in Tibet). The CIA trained Tibetans in guerrilla warfare in Colorado and then air-dropped them into Tibet but almost all the Tibetans were killed. The Tibetans even had to be taught literacy so they could commuicate while in operation.

This CIA-tibet secret army helped the Dalai Lama escape the Commies but the Commies claim that previous Dalai Lamas were totally corrupt -- destroying rival sect documents, taking numerous wives, living in debauchery, etc.

The sect of the Dalai Lama is a clerical sect -- not a Yogin sect and the best yogis of Tibet, like Milarepa, are Tantric hermits which still exist!

The Commies claim to have freed the serf and put them in communes but I really see no difference and also the Commies make a nuke testing field in Tibet which is way worse in my opinion.

Buddhism was an imperialism that spread as a bourgeois reaction to Brahmins in India. In Thailand, for example, the Buddhist monks convert the indigenous horticulturists and then the Thai government moves in -- so the monks are used as the frontline to build the Thai state.

It turns out that the Tantric religious practice in Buddhism focused intensely on worshipping the divine King and trying to embody the King and this Tantric practice became the means to spread Buddhism in Tibet -- to justify the feudal structure.

It's hard for people to realize that a right-brain culture has a very different concept of time and also personal identity.

I support music as the universal means of spirituality -- all cultures use chanting and songs based on the 1-4-5 interval structure to enter the spirit world (with the assistance of dancing, body posture and herbs).

The CIA-trained elite of the Dalai Lama became part of the army of India -- part of their special forces so to speak.

The Dalai Lama is on record as considering himself half-Marxist and also denouncing the feudal past of Tibet. But then that seems to be an easy accomodation to his current power reality.

I saw the Dalai Lama speak and could not pick up any energy field -- because again he's a priest cleric, not a yogin.

The Dalai Lama as political leader of Tibet has only existed for a few hundred years. Before that it was a different lama sect.

Also Tibet previously invaded China and Tibet had been part of China for hundreds of years.

So I think these are all superficial issues compared to the tragedy of destroying the traditional barley crop in Tibet and the Commies replacing it with grain.

China is running out of water due to modern technology -- and the whole world is facing apocalypse due to western philosophy be it Marxism or Nazism.

Caprinardo Delirio
08-31-2006, 09:47 AM
marxism and nazism are causing the end of the world?!

sure human life, not exactly an awesome bowl of barley crop.

drew! i think you're totally insane!

[ August 31, 2006, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: Caprinardo Delirio ]

Caprinardo Delirio
08-31-2006, 09:52 AM
not that that isn't commonplace here or elsewhere..

..but.. how do you come up with this stuff... and what do you make of it yourself?

do you believe in masterplan plots.. you do, don't you?

you know of the statistics of those who embrace these unified field theories with relation to those in psychospiritual crisis, and projecting their archetypal narrative gestalt onto the social world? i don't mind saying there drew, i think you'll make a pretty good candidate for a head-search..

no offense, dude!

;)

drew hempel
08-31-2006, 04:00 PM
OK I'm reading "Doubt and Uncertainty" by Tony Rothman and George Sudarshan (1998) both award-winning physicists who delve into the combination of New Ageism, Relativity and post-modernism so it's not exactly insane to consider such combinations!

Please be careful about my logic: and the whole world is facing apocalypse due to western philosophy

Western philsophy is not limited to Nazism or Marxism but includes those two and many other grand theories.

I'm also reading "Macumba: White and black magic in Brazil" by A.J. Langguth (1975, Harper and Row) It's an excellent indepth look at spiritism -- the unique combination of African, indigenous Indian and mystic Christianity in Brazil -- centered on Yoruba gods.

So I enjoy a broad range of topics and am quite comfortable in all milieus -- thank you very much!!

For the true grand conspiracy see my expose on the mad scientists as an expression of STRUCTURAL PLATONIC MATHEMATICS BASED ON FREEMASONRY:

http://drewhempel.gnn.tv
http://nonduality.com/hempel.htm

Also I'll list my recent post of my 50 favorite books.....

Isaiah Mpski
08-31-2006, 04:06 PM
Did you know Scientology published my book and bought the movie rights?
THE MURDER OF WINSTON MARTIN.THE CRUCIFIXION OF JOHN D. SON
Get hold of the Austin chapter-Andy Proh or Jerry Boswell in particular.Wiseman signed the check and they still owe me at least $50,000.

Dr John D. Son

[ August 31, 2006, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: Isaiah Mpski ]

drew hempel
08-31-2006, 04:09 PM
Here's my fifty favorite books:

1) Women Like Meat by Megan Biele (ivy-league anthropology on the oldest modern human culture, the Bushmen Koi-San and their natural healing practices)

2) Dr Peter Kingsley's books -- Pythagorean expose on how western civilization is based on a bunch of lies by an Oxford-Cambridge Ph.D. http://peterkingsley.com

3) Total Man by Stan Gooch (Gooch lives in a trailor in Wales and is a maverick psychologist focusing on the cerebellum as our Neanderthal past. Lastest study shows Northern Europeans are 5% Neanderthal!!) Gooch also studies the paranormal -- great stuff!

4) Suns of God by Acharya S. She's the author of the best-selling Christ Conspiracy. Her books are very well-researched and totally radical -- the Historical Christ is a creation for Western Imperialism (sorry but it's the truth). http://truthbeknown.com

5) Parable of the Beast by John Bleibtreu (amazing ethology or animal behavior book that details parthenogenesis, how most of Nature is female-only reproduction and how humans are the same once we feed off our reproductive secretions through the pineal gland).

6) Nothing Ever Happened by David Godman (the 1998 three volume biography of Sri H.W.L. Poonjaji, the master of Advaita Vedanta). This book blows you away with total miracles and secrets of India.

7) "Cosmic Humanism and World Unity" (1975) by professor Oliver L. Reiser -- this is the actual Matrix Plan that I've exposed at http://nonduality.com/hempel.htm and on my blog at http://drewhempel.gnn.tv

8) Adventures in the Counterculture by Steven Hagen (awesome insider reports of the Rainbow Gathering, the Mary-Jane smoker seed-business scene, the Hip Hop-ghetto-Graffiti scene in NYC and the conspiracy against JFK and the punk scene origins!)

9) "A Star Called the Sun" by George Gamow. He created the big bang model and this is a classic science overview book (even though I'm against science it's good to know thy enemy).

10) In the Eyes of the Night: Witchcraft among the Senegalese People by Dr. William Simmons -- another amazing anthropology expose on shape-shifting reptilian blacksmiths!!

11) Year 501: The Conquest Continues plus At War with Asia plus Political Economy of Human Rights, Vol 1: The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism plus World Orders: Old and New. Those are my four favorite Noam Chomsky books -- must reads to deprogram the onslaught of disinfo about the CIA genocide that is a continuation of colonialism.

12) The Religion of Technology by Professor David F. Noble (1996). Noble was fired from MIT for exposing how science was created by and is controlled by a bunch of apocalyptic Freemasons. He now is professor at York U in Toronto Canada.

13) Guns, Germs and Steel by professor Jared Diamond. This best-selling book is largely an update of Marvin Harris ground-breaking anthropology work. Diamond documents how "progress" of "civilization" is more a matter of ecological constraints due to geography then it is to any inborn genetic traits or even cultural norms.

14) Sync by professor Steve Strogatz. The master of synchronized chaos or macro quantum chaos, Strogatz has lately come out stating that the computers are in control and that the foundation of mathematics, the Riemann Hypothesis, is a "conspiracy between nature and number, between atom and arithmetic." Science is based on resonance that is not mathematizable and only Strogatz has the psychic balls to face science down, based on his Los Alamos supercomputer research!

15) The Eternal Return by Donald E. Carr. Carr was a chemist trained at Berkeley who totally dissects quantum mechanics and shows how it's best interpretation is a cyclic cosmology that enables time travel and paranormal powers.

16) Megabrain by Peter Huchinson -- name might be Michael? Anyway he researched all the new brain-helmut gadgets and then was going to publish a book on chaos science and brain dynamics but he had some catastrophic accident in Santa Fe and is now confined to a wheel chair or something.

17) Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality by Charles Luk. The single best book on the "small universe" qigong practice that is derived from Tetrad ratios -- the 12 points along the outside of the body measured by the 1:2:3:4 cycle of resonance from solar and lunar energy.

18) Stargate Conspiracy by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince. The single-best expose on the CIA control of the New Age movement. Art Bell's promotion of the alien agenda is based on this Freemason-CIA project to promote "techno-spirituality" as the answer -- covers all the ties to Egyptology and Mars Civilization stuff and tons of other popular alternative research fields as all part of CIA psychological warfare.

19) Miracle Healing from China by Dr. Effie P. Chow. A female qigong master publishes an independent analysis of the free energy potential in qigong. I personally experienced Master Chow's powers and it was amazing!! She leads the qigong field in the U.S. for N.I.H. research.

20) Yoga and Immortality by professor Mircea Eliade (that title is a little off cuz he has Freedom in the title as well -- anyway only source I've seen detailing the "small universe" practice in India as well!)

21) Gold Warriors by Peggy and Sterling Seagrave. This is the amazing expose on the CIA collusion with the Japanese Fascists who systematically looted the gold of Asia and cached it in the Phillipines. The Fed Researve has covered up how the Cold War was funded by CIA expeditions to recover this gold and also deals with the fascists. It's how Amelia Marcos got all her shoes for example. Book totally blows away all pretense of legitimate civilization.

22) Evolving the Mind by professor Alain Cairns-Smith. He's an Irish geologist, if I remember correctly, who discovered that life can be created from silica crystallization! Most of the book is on cognitive science but he's one of the few to realize how science is transforming earth into a silica-based lifeform.

23) Bart Kosko -- "fuzzy logic" professor goes nanotech through quantum chaos science with his new book "NOISE" Kosko is a regular on Art Bell promoting the CIA nanotech revolution! For the real details see "Nanotechnology and Homeland Security" -- the plan is to hook all our brains and blood up to satellites for instant "protection" from biowarfare.

24) American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips, this best-selling book even states that the USSR Commies were funded and created by international capital finance!! CIA is now controlled by the Bush family or the NeoCons are now in cahoots with DIA in Pentagon and the CIA is being purged of any anti-Bush elements. Strange book and shows the real power dynamics in the U.S. Too bad Kevin Phillips didn't take it more seriously as he's voting for McCain I've heard (what a joke!!)

25) The Reign of Quantity by Rene Guenon -- this is THE BEST harmonic nondual expose on Western Civilization being totally corrupt. Guenon did his degree in math on the infinite in Leibniz and how the logic of Leibniz was wrong. Advaita Vedanta master Sri Ramana Maharshi supported Guenon. Guenon moved to Egypt, became a Sufi scholar and Egyptian citizen and then died a young age after claiming to be "psychically attacked."

26) Suppressed Inventions and Other Discoveries by Jonathan Eisen (a great overview of how independent inventors and natural healers are too dangerous for corporate-state elite controlled Freemasonry. See Professor David F. Noble's books for further details on the same topic.

27) Origin of Agriculture and the Birth of the Gods by Jacque Cauvin, (2000, Cambridge U Press). This proves Freemasonry started in 10,000 BCE with a "symbolic revolution" to destroy all circular, female-power houses so that an iron-based rectilinear war-culture -- with new anthropocentric views -- could expand.

28) Bruce Lincoln -- U of Chicago anthropologist who exposed CIA infilitration of indigenous cultures in Guatemala leading to the genocide of Mayans in the 1980s. Lincoln is the best source for paranormal powers as the real poor people techniques in the fight against colonialism.

29) Body Snatchers in the Desert (2005) by Nick Redfern. The book that solves the Roswell cover-up of secret government Nuke-aircraft experiments in collusion with fascist Japanese biowarfare victims. Redfern's previous book "Strange Secrets" also exposes the truth behind cattle mutilations as a CIA experiment and other secrets. His new book "On the Trail of the Saucer Spies" about CIA infilitration of UFO groups should be a great read as well (it's on order).

30) Carlos Ginzberg -- academic anthropologist who documents that paranormal witchcraft is REAL in Europe (and not just some fantasy of bored, teenage girls)

31) Apocalypses by Eugene... This is a scholarly overview of how Western civilization has ALWAYS been obsessed with apocalypse. "Chaos, Comos and the World to Come" by professor emeritus Norman Cohn. Cohn was at Yale and all his books are top-knotch, detailing esoteric philosophy and hermits, etc., in the West, i.e. "In the Pursuit of the Millenium". This one traces the apocalypse to Vedic and Zoroastrian philosophy.

32) Nandor Fodor, the best parapsychologist ever! He was Hungarian, got his start in NYC and then lived in England. I like his autobiography and his book "Between Two Worlds" the best.

33) Alex Tanous -- "Beyond Coincidence" book. Tanous was a Gypsy psychic who worked for the CIA and did a well-researched experiment in astral travel.

34) Jim Keith -- a conspiracy writer who cranked out half a dozen amazing books within a five year period and then he, his girlfriend and his publisher were all dead in mysterious circumstances within the last 5 years.

35) Boiling Energy by Richard Katz. Another ivy-league document on how alchemy is practiced among the Koi-San, the oldest modern human culture. Trance dance around a fire, all night, after 3 days of complete separation between the sexes and new hunting meat partaken. The healing happens after the belly gets real hot and magnetic fields shoot up the spine. Visionary powers ensue.

36) Camille Paglia's "Sexual Personae" Professor Paglia wrote this tome as a history of Western Civilization through classical art -- she goes back to Nerfetiti and argues that the "fourth eye" -- the pineal gland versus the pituitary gland -- enables this Womb Tomb dynamic in West. In otherwords there's this cold, femme fatale truth that is beyond time and gave the queen of Egypt her power. That cold materialist desire drives all of Western civilization all the way up to Madonna.

37) Kenn Thomas' new book "Parapolitics." It's the ultimate conspiracy overview book, Thomas has been editor of http://Steamshovelpress.com and has kept a level head while digging through the highest levels of Freemason corruption.

38) Biological Transmutations by Louis Kervan. This is a serious French analysis of how alchemy happens -- for example how chickens make calcium by eating mica!! Gabriel Cousins, the yoga student of Muktananda, discusses this book and Kervan's argument is sort of a quantum chaos resonance of the first 8 elements -- sort of a sonofusion. See chemistry professor Donald H. Andrew's book "The Symphony of Life" for further details of the same alchemical science.

39) F.W. Holiday's book "The Dragon and the Disc" -- turns out that Holiday rejected his paranormal explanation for the Loch Ness monster, inspiring his second book "The Goblin Universe" published posthumously by Colin Wilson. Still Holiday's argument that Water has a macro quantum chaos power creating paranormal effects is now well substantiated -- see a recent cover story in New Scientist focused on professor Rustom Roy for example.

40) Professor Abraham Seidenberg -- a UC Berkeley math professor who documented the "ritual origins of geometry" through sacrifice altars in Vedia India, circa 3000 BCE. Seidenberg also promoted "the separation of heaven and earth" through sacred Freemason geometry and social engineering secret societies as a global answer for humanity. Creepy stuff

Andrew Siller
08-31-2006, 04:15 PM
Hey Drew what's up I was just about to post a "Peace to the man Drew Hempel!" when boom your new post appears, cool.

Tonality of the human voice and resonance is definitely where it's at. I am having weird stuff happen all the time now and the coolest dreams, man it rocks. Too bad about Mark Vonnegut, I read The Eden Express - you suppose he would've done better with some more knowledge at the time, to better understand some of the changes he was going through?

I was searching for where your latest postings were today Drew 'cause I am exploring Beyond Telepathy by Puharich right now with a couple of brilliant 6th graders and we are researching the states of adrenergia and cholinergia, their interaction with the pineal gland and what common substances we consume daily have affects influencing telepathy - like salt and sugar in particular but also stuff like cheese, meat and corn (particularly since one botany professor I had claims that "all corn is genetically modified now" as if there are no more heirloom varieties, in which case Fedco seeds will have some serious refunds to give out).

So yeah anyway I found this interesting study today that I wanted to bounce off you - unrelated to CIA or Tibet or anything (at least on the surface - obviously there's Puharich and the CIA - BTW have you read his biography, Memories of a Maverick? it is free online at Uri Geller's site)

Maybe there is a connection between the turnover of barley to grain? If they have different effects on the nervous system...?

If you've any more journal articles or resources that'd be great...

Indian Journal of Experimental Biology

Vol. 43, February 2005, pp. 150-157

Molecular components and mechanism of adrenergic signal transduction in mammalian pineal gland: Regulation of melatonin synthesis

B B P Gupta and R Spessert & L Vollrath

Rhythmic neural outputs from the hypothalamic suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN), which programme the rhythmic release of norepinephrine (NE) from intrapineal nerve fibers, regulate circadian rhythm of melatonin synthesis. Increased secretion of NE with the onset of darkness during the first half of night stimulates melatonin synthesis by several folds. NE binds to both a1- and b-adrenergic receptors present on the pinealocyte membrane and initiates adrenergic signal transduction via cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) and cyclic guanosine monophosphate (cGMP) generating pathways. The NE-induced adrenergic signal transduction switches ‘on’ melatonin synthesis during the early hours of night by stimulating expression of the rate-limiting enzyme of melatonin synthesis, N-acetyltransferase (AA-NAT) via cAMP–protein kinase A (PKA)–cAMP response element binding protein (CREB)–cAMP response element (CRE) pathway as well as by increasing AA-NAT activity via cAMP-PKA–14-3-3 protein pathway. Simultaneously, adrenergically-induced expression of inducible cAMP early repressor (ICER) negatively regulates aa-nat gene expression and controls the amplitude of melatonin rhythm. In the second half of night, increased release of acetylcholine from central pinealopetal projections, inhibition of NE secretion by SCN, withdrawal of adrenergic inputs and reversal of events that took place in the first half lead to switching ‘off’ of melatonin synthesis. Adrenergic signal transduction via cGMP–protein kinase G (PKG) –mitogen activated protein kinase (MAPK) – ribosomal S6 kinase (RSK) pathway also seems to be fully functional, but its role in modulation of melatonin synthesis remains unexplored. This article gives a critical review of information available on various components of the adrenergic signal transduction cascades involved in the regulation of melatonin synthesis.

lovemanifest
09-01-2006, 02:17 AM
Andrew, I have been very attentive to human sound lately, particularly the way in which most people carelessly use it. As if it has no power or use beyond basic communication. Very interesting subjects--sound, telepathy, pineal glands, and the effects of food--please post a bit on your findings. I am partcularly interested in sugar and corn.

"Maybe there is a connection between the turnover of barley to grain? If they have different effects on the nervous system...?"

Thanks for this question. Got my wheels spining.

Drew, What a splendid mind you have. It is so refreshing to find new ideas, and I deeply enjoy reexamining ideas and events that have become fixed. Thanks, dear.

Isaiah Mpski
09-01-2006, 02:44 AM
Have you ever read in the bible John 14:26,15:26 and 16:13 and ask yourself what He means?

Isaiah Mpski
09-01-2006, 03:57 AM
No,I think you're wrong there.People who kill other good people come back as abortions.

Caprinardo Delirio
09-01-2006, 04:08 AM
you can go to tibet, or china, or africa or the middle east middle america and see people behaving so barbaric, brutal and ignorantly, that really laying it the west as a causal connector is just egotism in it's worst and ugliest suit. 'western philosophy' is NOT destroying the world. it might be symptomatic, but lots of things are, but where you draw the line and say: this is part of the needed decay and negative principles of the world, and this is plain pathology that no immortality-licensing cosmology will accept, well westerners like us, that say 'yay' at every 'you aren't going to die' announcement, have absolutely NO idea where to draw this line.

delving into sinisterforces, grand-pland new-world order scenarios and post-structuralist rhetoric for that matter, is all plain fear and laziness stopping real active involvement with the real world, where the real suffering is occuring.

lovemanifest
09-01-2006, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by Caprinardo Delirio:
you can go to tibet, or china, or africa or the middle east middle america and see people behaving so barbaric, brutal and ignorantly, that really laying it the west as a causal connector is just egotism in it's worst and ugliest suit. 'western philosophy' is NOT destroying the world.

it might be symptomatic, but lots of things are, but where you draw the line and say: this is part of the needed decay and negative principles of the world, and this is plain pathology that no immortality-licensing cosmology will accept, well westerners like us, that say 'yay' at every 'you aren't going to die' announcement, have absolutely NO idea where to draw this line.
delving into sinisterforces, grand-pland new-world order scenarios and post-structuralist rhetoric for that matter, is all plain fear and laziness stopping real active involvement with the real world, where the real suffering is occuring.I agree with you on the first point, but not the last.
You have a serious issue with judgement--and so your words convey a positionality and limited perception. I don't like to put myself in a box, but I could apply many of those labels to myself. I have directly experienced too much to do otherwise.
I resonate deeply with Mayan cosmology, and so can be called a new ager. I believe in secret governments, alien abductions, dark entities, and angels. I believe in ascension and self-actualization. But I am not lazy, nor stupid. I am breathtaking, and my contributions to myself and my world are profound.

Caprinardo Delirio
09-01-2006, 09:48 AM
i agree with you, naturally you can be interested in these things, without it beeing an escapist endeavour. but i also still think that you can sort of taste it in a person, if she/he have reached or crossed the boundry of healthy in the way the interest and involvement with the subject is manifesting. that topic could also be kitchen zinks i guess, and that would just be called some simple neurosis or something, but it's when we get political, and cooperative, aspiring, planning, aiming, trying to understand on a collective and not just a personal basis, that whatever quirks or bad-habits can cause living demonic discources and really turn on itself.

yeah, something.

and look, sorry so much about that other thing, i just had a bad day!

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drew hempel
09-01-2006, 10:50 AM
I would just say that consciousness is beyond any sensation (taste, etc.) Logic transcends any proof or empiricism -- it's what we exist inside. It's the source of the I-thought. Nonwestern music resonates back to that source as the Logos -- the old paradox of the one hand clapping, although Zen itself is too conceptual (just read professor Master Nan, Huai-chin -- he's not on my list but should be!!).

Actually the book I just read "Doubt and Certainty" was totally amazing and presented completely fresh new information (which didn't contradict my previous research but only deepened it).

So I emailed one of the professors that wrote the book. I get about a 60% return rate on my "crank" emails to scientists but I have corresponded with professors in pretty much every discipline in the last 5 years so it's been pretty cool.

The reason I post on this forum is, like I said when I started, my head IS breaking open. A "V" appeared as a bone fissure seen on my forehead and felt as strong pressure from cerebral fluid buildup while sitting in full-lotus. I find it to be fascinating!!

And then the book I finished mainly yesterday -- "Macumba" on Brazilian magic -- was pretty funny because it inspired me to meditate until 3:30 a.m. last night -- strong magnetic fields and light in the head. So I usually need 8 hours of sleep but only got 6.5 and feel fine. But then I finished the book this morning and the author finally gets initiated, drinking chicken blood and getting repeatedly dunked in ice-cold water in a river plus other bizarre rituals. But all those just kinda prove to him that he reached the limits he could pursue as a civilized Westerner. He had lived in Brazil for about a year. It's funny because the author is from Minneapolis, Minnesota (where I'm from and at), he's of the same ethnicity (German-Swedish heritage) and he wrote the book in 1975 but just last night I went "farther" then he did in spiritism (even though I hadn't finished the book).

haha.

http://springforestqigong.com