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toppersbazaar
08-12-2004, 08:20 PM
Daniel,
It's daunting how casual sounding you make such heavy shit sound. You may lable me "lunatic fringe' for this but i have seen more than enough evidemce with my own two eyes to suggest a global agenda that pits the world into about 3 sections. Within these sections things like elections are a joke because the "sections" are run by the richest men/i.e. the power brokers. For example This war started right? well immediiately there was a huge demand for "contractors" insane people, willing to dare beheading and the like, to do everything from interragating people to pealing potatoes. I recently saw that a company called ISG systems guess what it does nothing but this...that's not the smoking gun part. The fire is in the fact that it was formed just before the war is owned by a skull and bones famous influential man.("ISG Systems" sounding totaly innocuos'note- I can't remember the real name of the company)got most of the "contracts" that is a company that out of no-where starts racking up net years that are between 40 and 70 BILLION dollars. I look a little further into this company guess who the ceo/owner is....Mr insider, ex GE ceo'ing , net worth/power guy club member himself Mr Jack Welch. A Skull and Bone geek just as quick to signe on that faustian line with Kerry as he is with Clinton and the millions (MILLIONS) in kickbacks go to their offshore accounts that includes Tony Blairs account....you see in this battle Putin, Chirac and Shmidt had devil deals in place with the "enemy" already and obviously stood to lose much more than gain (the investigation is on it'll come out drip by drip in the media planted between the new size of Pammelee's tit size and this years top NFL super bowl picks. The gov has most of us so doped up on booze, ciggarettes, caffeine and gambling that we don't see the picture....It's like getting a puzzle without having a picture to strive for...all we see are random pictures...there are a few kooks who have had the ability to put the picture together(using pure fact they go back hundreds of years tying it all together, in fact the occult in general seems to be a player like the shit on a dollor bill or that pyramid that mitterand had built in france has exactly 666 panels on it. In fact look at most of the new symbols they have a wierd occultish globalist vibe to them, like aol's.)anyhow once you see the bigger picture until the tyoyu start noticing things like i noticed like ISG systems...it's pretty creepy. That said look what we are up against. This gahndi vision sounds good the fact is that coup was allowed to take place. Meaning it had the ok of the power brokers. Lets look at a qoute about Jack "Since the hypercompetitive Welch took the reins at GE 15 years ago, he has relentlessly reshaped this icon of the American economy. Through the 1980s, Welch barnstormed through GE shutting factories, paring payrolls, and hacking mercilessly at its lackluster old-line units. Welch's tough tactics presaged much of the reengineering that followed across Corporate America. But he was hardly done. At the businesses he kept, Welch pushed his managers to become ever more productive. Inventories were trimmed, bureaucracies dismantled, and inefficiencies attacked with a vengeance." basicly here is a guy who helped perfect the modern enslavement agenda(the model accepted by the anti gapatalist politico's who do things like "HATE BUSH" in their spare time. Yes capatilism will eventualy burn itself out but it history has shown it the only real way to thrive of course some kind of work ethic must accompany it. Without hard working capatalism will go no whre, socialism, nowhere quicker and communism no where the fastest. In conclusion do like me get wierd, grow a beered and move to the mountains...Not to soundlike a freak but anyone can see that a cashless big brother society is pretty much here and they're making a reality show out of it.

sidecross
08-13-2004, 03:37 AM
"…It's daunting how casual sounding you make such heavy shit sound."

"Heavy shit" is a one paragraph 600 word plus statement that needs the help of an editor.

daniel
08-13-2004, 04:34 AM
it is really a question of where you want to invest your psychic energy. You can expend it in following negative elements and conspiracy stories and all the rest of the dark stuff, but it doesn't lead anywhere. It just puts you back in the same circle, meanwhile you haven't done what could be done with your time. You just go around and around the same cycles of depravity - you feed it with your energy by doing this.

Rudolf Steiner said, The only way to fight evil is to build what is good.

toppersbazaar
09-17-2004, 04:30 PM
Yo Daniel I agree totaly.....it's a more than just a waste of time...it;s bad energy that you attract to yourself....it's ben awhile but hey i sleep with a big obsidian stone near my head and i bought another little one that i wear around my neck....it's got a nice placebo effect at the very least....thanks for the suggestion...total cost for two stone....30 clams.......sweet!

Seva
10-10-2004, 10:28 PM
I have to agree with both "sides" in this particular instance. There are people in positions of power, plotting to perpetuate their grip on peoples lives. However, this has been the case for a long time, and the "power" that they wield only has as much strength as you give it.
At this new phase of human development, this evolutionary cusp as it were, it is the will of the individual that matters more than a thousand power hungry facists. We all agree on what is real, what is fiction. Refusing to participate in the game is the way to change it. Let's just love each other.

daniel
10-11-2004, 03:58 AM
Hi Seva,

Thanks for joining the discussion!

My own position, developed through my experiences and my thinking and study, is that the seeming doom-and-gloom nightmarish situation on the Earth is paradoxically the necessary ground for attaining a new level of consciousness. Many different traditions and philosophers have arrived at this conclusion: Sri Aurobindo describes the "supramental state," Jean Gebser describes the "integral phase" of consciousness, Steiner calls it the "Jupiter state," the Hopis talk about the "Fifth World," the Bible talks about the "New Jerusalem," etcetera.

The political-paranoid abyss is another vortex that works to "hook the attention" and make it difficult for most people to do the work on themselves that needs to be done before it is possible to attain the new consciousness structure - as Gebser said, we should use our free time to acquire time-freedom.

I do not in any way think that the political-economic abyss should be avoided or abandoned, however I think that until we have reached an understanding of the situation that takes all factors into account, attempting to confront it through action or becoming paranoiacally obsessed with the negative aspects can only lead to dissolution and regression.

Ultimately, I agree with you that love is the answer - but the mind as well as the heart need to be fully engaged by those who have an intellectual bent or capacity to understand. Much well-meaning aid work - people working with orphans, AIDS patients, Agent Orange victims, etc. - while it is beautiful and necessary on its own, cannot lead to the kind of systemic transformation on the "meta" level that is necessary if we want to transform this world into the beautiful garden it should be.

So beyond "refusing to participate in the game," is the necessity of fully understanding the game as it stands, and creating a new game with new rules that can replace the old game as its rules start to shatter under the pressure of reality.

zenafire
10-11-2004, 05:53 AM
It really is about balance. Awareness and attention cannot be completely distracted from this reality while we are still heavily resonating in it. We need to have a sense of what is important in the long run. I think most would agree that evolution of consciousness is more important than, or at least equally important as, this current political situation. As we head into more times of strife our consciousness cannot help but be raised.

Daniel, have you read Tarnas' reference to Stan Grof's work in terms of worldviews/consciousness? I think I sent you a PM on this in the past.

I tend to believe that such act of love have a building effect and the more that is shared, the more that energy is built upon and grows...ala Sheldrake's morphic resonance.

daniel
10-11-2004, 06:29 AM
zenafire,

thanks for your post - I still need to check out Tarnas. He has been recommended to me by several people. Do you have a particular link / article / book to recommend?

The ultimate point - and I admit that I have failed to integrate this understanding into my own (overly cerebral) existence - is that the "mind-body" or "Earth - consciousness" duality is an illusion. However, this does not mean that people who are spending all their time in yoga are doing what needs to be done - they have become obsessed even addicted to their bodily sensations while neglecting the worldly work that needs to be performed. I feel that Herbert Marcuse etc is as important as Iyengar etc, but most people in the New Age realm have no vision of how to fully reconcile their private experiences with a social praxis. They fall back on the "one love" kind of Wilberian unity consciousness position, and I do not feel we as Westerners (as the ones who have unleashed the demon) have earned the right yet for that perspective, true though it is at a deeper level.

I would like to see us develop a Western yoga of both psychic and social transformation.

zenafire
10-11-2004, 08:48 AM
I think this praxis ought to near Ghandian principles, or Quaker principles of speaking and living Truth. This is a stretch for most of us and would do some good to reconcile some wrongs in our social systems. I agree that if people into the yoga of body practiced in a socially conscious way transformation may occur. Stretching ourselves in our contacts with others is something we individuals fear to tread.

Speaking of Western thought, the Tarnas text I was thinking of is Passion of the Western Mind . It's a decent historical perspective on the Western/Northern worldview. The Grofian, rebirthing into new cosmology/worldview is in the last chapters or maybe even the epilogue.