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sidecross
10-15-2007, 05:02 AM
October 15, 2007

Gore Derangement Syndrome

By PAUL KRUGMAN

On the day after Al Gore shared the Nobel Peace Prize, The Wall Street Journal’s editors couldn’t even bring themselves to mention Mr. Gore’s name. Instead, they devoted their editorial to a long list of people they thought deserved the prize more.

And at National Review Online, Iain Murray suggested that the prize should have been shared with “that well-known peace campaigner Osama bin Laden, who implicitly endorsed Gore’s stance.” You see, bin Laden once said something about climate change — therefore, anyone who talks about climate change is a friend of the terrorists.

What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?

Partly it’s a reaction to what happened in 2000, when the American people chose Mr. Gore but his opponent somehow ended up in the White House. Both the personality cult the right tried to build around President Bush and the often hysterical denigration of Mr. Gore were, I believe, largely motivated by the desire to expunge the stain of illegitimacy from the Bush administration.

And now that Mr. Bush has proved himself utterly the wrong man for the job — to be, in fact, the best president Al Qaeda’s recruiters could have hoped for — the symptoms of Gore derangement syndrome have grown even more extreme.

The worst thing about Mr. Gore, from the conservative point of view, is that he keeps being right. In 1992, George H. W. Bush mocked him as the “ozone man,” but three years later the scientists who discovered the threat to the ozone layer won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. In 2002 he warned that if we invaded Iraq, “the resulting chaos could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from Saddam.” And so it has proved.

But Gore hatred is more than personal. When National Review decided to name its anti-environmental blog Planet Gore, it was trying to discredit the message as well as the messenger. For the truth Mr. Gore has been telling about how human activities are changing the climate isn’t just inconvenient. For conservatives, it’s deeply threatening.

Consider the policy implications of taking climate change seriously.

“We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals,” said F.D.R. “We know now that it is bad economics.” These words apply perfectly to climate change. It’s in the interest of most people (and especially their descendants) that somebody do something to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, but each individual would like that somebody to be somebody else. Leave it up to the free market, and in a few generations Florida will be underwater.

The solution to such conflicts between self-interest and the common good is to provide individuals with an incentive to do the right thing. In this case, people have to be given a reason to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions, either by requiring that they pay a tax on emissions or by requiring that they buy emission permits, which has pretty much the same effects as an emissions tax. We know that such policies work: the U.S. “cap and trade” system of emission permits on sulfur dioxide has been highly successful at reducing acid rain.

Climate change is, however, harder to deal with than acid rain, because the causes are global. The sulfuric acid in America’s lakes mainly comes from coal burned in U.S. power plants, but the carbon dioxide in America’s air comes from coal and oil burned around the planet — and a ton of coal burned in China has the same effect on the future climate as a ton of coal burned here. So dealing with climate change not only requires new taxes or their equivalent; it also requires international negotiations in which the United States will have to give as well as get.

Everything I’ve just said should be uncontroversial — but imagine the reception a Republican candidate for president would receive if he acknowledged these truths at the next debate. Today, being a good Republican means believing that taxes should always be cut, never raised. It also means believing that we should bomb and bully foreigners, not negotiate with them.

So if science says that we have a big problem that can’t be solved with tax cuts or bombs — well, the science must be rejected, and the scientists must be slimed. For example, Investor’s Business Daily recently declared that the prominence of James Hansen, the NASA researcher who first made climate change a national issue two decades ago, is actually due to the nefarious schemes of — who else? — George Soros.

Which brings us to the biggest reason the right hates Mr. Gore: in his case the smear campaign has failed. He’s taken everything they could throw at him, and emerged more respected, and more credible, than ever. And it drives them crazy.



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/opinion/15krugman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

willoweyes
10-15-2007, 08:22 AM
John Tierney, Badboy of the NYTimes science section, asks the question: "Should Gore fly to Oslo?"

Boy did that make some people mad.

If it's true that Gore's home uses 20X the energy of the average american home (even if he "offsets"-- "The Modern Indulgences") should we all be so PC and slavishly fawning that we don't question a "do as I say, don't do as I do" lifestyle?

On Tierney's blog, someone asks, "I suppose you would suggest that Mr. Gore not have his suit cleaned before Oslo, as dry-cleaning is bad for the environment?"

Well, yeah.

craazyman
10-15-2007, 09:08 AM
I think Gore deflected the home energy hog critique by claiming he buys something like 100% renewable power. That is quite plausible. And the critique never stuck. In many states electricity buyers can specify quantities of renewable energy for a surcharge on their bills.

Wind, solar, geothermal, tidal -- it all could supply close to 100% of American energy, but it would take a massive re-working of energy infrastructure.

The politics of winners and losers will be complicated indeed, with some very strange bedfellows.

But I think we are moving slowly in that direction (with some new nuclear and clean coal thrown in--mountaintop removal aside for the moment, it's something of a separate issue).

willoweyes
10-15-2007, 09:56 AM
Craazy, even if Gore can afford to pay a surcharge for using supposedly all "green" energy, do you feel it sets a bad example--as in, if you are rich and famous, you can afford to live outside the rules you would like to impose on the masses of, say, Chinese?

The kind of general I respect lives like the troops.

craazyman
10-15-2007, 10:29 AM
I don't see it that way.

With any new technology the first implementations are expensive and risky. Then, as people see that it works and more and more want it, the volume goes up and the price goes down due to economies of scale in production. Eventually, it becomes mass market, at a much lower cost.

I think the only way for places like China and India to get off of coal and onto solar/wind/etc. is for people like Al Gore to sponsor and publicize these, and for those who can afford to, to spend more on green power to help support the market for it.

sidecross
10-15-2007, 10:55 AM
We are all guilty of energy use as compared to at least 80% of other humans on this planet.

To point only at Gore is disingenuous and ignores the point he is raising concerning the subject of global warming.

Today futures for crude oil topped $86.

willoweyes
10-15-2007, 11:24 AM
Confession: I remain p/oed at Gore for rolling over and giving the presidency to Ushbay. He listened to the screamers yelling: "The American people want closure!" The man lacks fire in his belly.

I've seen "An Inconvenient Truth" three times, and have never lost the sense that I'm watching a lugubrious walrus, crying as he eats the oysters (see Lewis Carroll).

He's cruising around the farm is a giant gas-guzzler, for goodness sake! Get out and walk, man! It would do you good.

And believe you me, my finger is pointing all over the place.

Craazy, the only thing that MIGHT stop this juggernaut is immediate drastic action. We can't wait around for market forces to make solar panels affordable.

The only feasible immediate action is conservation-- a drastic cutback in all energy use--speed limits--carbon tax--

I'm thrilled that the Nobel committee chose to recognize global warming for what it is--a world-breaker--and I suppose Gore is the poster child of the movement. But I will point out that if he believes what he believes, living large is self-indulgent, and sends the wrong message.

It is America writ large.

sidecross
10-15-2007, 12:13 PM
Confession: I remain p/oed at Gore for rolling over and giving the presidency to Ushbay. He listened to the screamers yelling: "The American people want closure!" The man lacks fire in his belly.

I've seen "An Inconvenient Truth" three times, and have never lost the sense that I'm watching a lugubrious walrus, crying as he eats the oysters (see Lewis Carroll).

He's cruising around the farm is a giant gas-guzzler, for goodness sake! Get out and walk, man! It would do you good.

And believe you me, my finger is pointing all over the place.

Craazy, the only thing that MIGHT stop this juggernaut is immediate drastic action. We can't wait around for market forces to make solar panels affordable.

The only feasible immediate action is conservation-- a drastic cutback in all energy use--speed limits--carbon tax--

I'm thrilled that the Nobel committee chose to recognize global warming for what it is--a world-breaker--and I suppose Gore is the poster child of the movement. But I will point out that if he believes what he believes, living large is self-indulgent, and sends the wrong message.

It is America writ large.



I believe you and share your rage, but Gore is just a pimple; you don’t spite your face because of a pimple.

suebee
10-15-2007, 01:40 PM
im giving up on the he said she said shit. i dont care what anyone else does anymore. i love my planet with a palpable love. i thank it every day.

i sincerely try to limit my own carbonation - i have plenty of plants for the small space that i live in; i use my dishwasher/washing machine once a week or less; dont use my dryer, paper towels, bottled water, my gas fireplace, or my car for less than 5 errands, etc and make sure they are in the same area (and i know its easier when you dont have five children to deal with); use my air conditioner about an hour per year and heater less 30 hours per year (its california!!), recycle everything i can, dont put anything down the disposal, use my windows for light and heat, wear sweaters when im cold and go naked when it's 100, take fast showers and brush my teeth with the water off! the water people came to the house i bought in 1990 six months after i moved in because they thought the water meter was broken because i had more water credits than anyone in the history of the city of campbell. that was 17 years ago. i could go on and on but what does it matter. in one hour china eats up the good works of 200000 people doing better than me on the issue.

this topic is broken.

sidecross
10-15-2007, 02:21 PM
"...this topic is broken."

It is not broken anymore.

;)

craazyman
10-15-2007, 03:26 PM
wear sweaters when im cold and go naked when it's 100

Post some pics!

suebee
10-15-2007, 08:21 PM
i have some lovely sweaters but i dont know how to post pictures...

willoweyes
10-16-2007, 09:06 AM
Suebee, I know bragging about how green I am and shaking a nagging finger at Gore will do no "good"--I subdue the flesh for my own atonement. So far it hasn't made me feel better about myself.

I'd love to see Gore dancing in his buckskins--but even that wouldn't save us.

The blind pushing the blind.

We've already started the long march to the North Shore with all our belongings--many will fall by the way side and those left at the end will jump into the ocean. But maybe focus and believe and surrender, and we will speed away a child of the sea again.

Isaiah Mpski
10-16-2007, 12:12 PM
Nanouk have you found us a reasonable diesel sub yet?

suebee
10-16-2007, 02:27 PM
id love to see us all dancing in our buckskins....

wonder if the south east will move to texas willow? (you get enough rain!!) and i wonder when we will start using the amazing engineering triumphs of long ago to save our rain water (didnt you post a link to that article about iraq and africa digging up and using ancient techniques to save the rain water so it's available year round?)

and really, thank god (or isaiah or c-man)for the humor on this board. :)

craazyman
10-17-2007, 01:25 AM
Human waste can help save planet: Indian expert

Oct 16 10:11 AM US/Eastern

A cheap system to recycle human waste into biogas and fertiliser may allow 2.6 billion people in the world access to toilets and reduce global warming, an Indian environmental expert said Tuesday.

Bindeshwar Pathak, founder of the Sulabh International Social Service Organisation, said his group plans to push the system at the seventh annual World Toilet Summit, to be held in New Delhi at the end of October.

The organisation is dedicated to providing toilets to nearly 730 million people in India who lack them.

"The Millennium Development Goals set in South Africa in 2002 aim by 2015 to cut by half the 2.6 billion people worldwide who lack toilets and provide them to all by 2025," Pathak said at a briefing ahead of the summit.

He said India's contribution would be a toilet system that organically breaks down faeces into trapped biogas that can be burned to provide cooking fuel and electricity, and convert urine into fertiliser.

"Now we want others to know about this technology which was recently installed at Kabul, Afghanistan, because it can help meet the Millennium Development Goals and reduce global warming."

Founded in 2001 as a non-profit organisation, the World Toilet Organisation aims to make sanitation a key global issue and now says it has 55 member groups from 42 countries.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071016141117.ah36q4fz&show_article=1&image=large

suebee
02-14-2010, 07:05 PM
the World Toilet Organisation now has 235 member orgs from 58 countries.

oops this should go under ecology....