Jesus Really is the Symbol of the Sacred Mushroom

[Tonatzin]

I was wondering if anyone had read the book "Astrotheology and Shamanism: Unveiling the Law of Duality in Christianity and Other Religions" by Jan Irvin and Andrew Rutajit?

The book really blew my mind. The book draws from historical accounts that show that the actual origins of Christianity stems from sun/mushroom "cults," basically ancient Shamanism, and that Jesus is really a symbol for the amanita muscaria that was later misconstrued as a literal figure. The bible has many references to mushrooms, and accounts of people having visions> Sacred plants (fungi) have been used in nearly every culture and religion tracing far back into human history. They reference John Marco Allegro's work a lot who is the author of the "Sacred Mushroom and the Cross: Fertility Cults and the Origins of Judaism and Christianity." This was the first time I have heard of his work.

Allegro was one of the researcher of the Dead Sea Scrolls when they were first found. During this research he began to realize that much of what Christianity was supposedly founded on was not being shown in the Dead Sea Scrolls and for years they wouldn't let him put out any of his work. He later began to find more ties to his findings with his religious scholarly work and the work of Gordon Wasson, "Soma: Divine Mushroom of Immortality."

Anyways, I really recommend this book and was curious if anyone had read it so I could discuss this someone. Or if anyone had heard of similar information like this.

Share some links. Here's the authors link of "Astrotheology and Shamanism" www.gnosticmedia.com

[Caprinardo Delirio]

i think it's an unsupported though obvious hypothesis, that i don't need, but gist of which is pretty right on, in regard to the psychology of religion.

i've read allegro's book, and i don't find it convincing at all.

as for wasson, read the critique of him in andy letcher's book 'shroom' - i like him too, but i see now that there is way too much wishful speculation in his work for it to be really useful. but the whole point is that it doesn't matter, and these debates are trivial and deflective about the truth as it should be grasped today..

all of these hasty shamanistic historical revisionisms are simply too square and literal, but the point about religiousness being meaningless without the mystical experience is what is ultimately important and slowly dawning of people again in the west. however, these speculations end up damaging their own cause, because they like christianity and the other monotheistic religions all argue upon the supposed historical 'correctness' and 'actuality' in cases where the understanding of mythology and metaphorical essences are what is needed.

i strongly advise against the pharmacratic inquisition and this type of bad conspiratorial cut-up, by the same token as i advise against political conspiracies; they are so destructive and so distorting, not by fact that they are "lies" but that they reduce and reduct the fullness of the truth to a vanishingly small and trivial and two-dimensional substitute history that basically inhibit our ability to communicate with each other, since it becomes a matter of believing either this or that. regard it as metaphor at most and go deeper with other and more serious works.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

dan merkur also wrote a book called 'the mystery of manna: the psychedelic sacrament of the bible'

but check out the works of these fellows instead (in my opinion)

charles upton, stephan a. hoeller, james m. robinson, hans jonas, huston smith and carl jung on gnostic christianity etc.

heinrich zimmer, joseph needham, peter kingsley, joseph campbell, might follow closely in many respects.

here's the allegro book btw: http://download.yousendit.com/4DC38251387C59E6

[Isaiah Mpski]

Lord Cap.You've got Peter and Jesus mixed up.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

there is no jesus.

[Isaiah Mpski]

He is being hidden away by Bush and tortured for more info.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Actually,he's being treated relatively well in that he gets all he wants to eat.
As you can imagine he is a bit paranoid and anxious.
His life has not been easy.
He keeps mumbling something about a hidden message in the bible involving the number 26.

You can e-mail him at jesus26christ@yahoo.com.
He might respond.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

crazy world.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Actually he's starting to look like Budha but behaves like Shiva.

Lord Cap he ask me to ask you how many letters there are in the alphabet for starts.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

depends on where you are.

i use these suckers: æ ø å

[Isaiah Mpski]

Thus with your newborne intelligence you can see that a good time seperated by a period is 6.9.

By the way,can you see the Holmes Comet from over there in vandaland?
Really bright and spectacular here in the country.

There apparently was an explosion aboard it-goes along with what I predicted about turning dying worlds into comets- and then directing them to places that are hospitable for man-kind.

The last time such explosion happened was 1892.

Quanah is the master of my mind quanum.
Nine wives Suebee.

google image of Quanah Parker.In one of the ties he is wearing there are seven diamonds.I still have the big one in the middle.

Did you see my picture of the JFK assisination Lord Cap or you to young to recognise Jack Ruby.And who and why would go to the trouble-it maybe all coincidence-not-to get a picture with both JFK and Jack Ruby in it.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

fuck jfk that racist peice of shit, are you too television blissed out to fucking get that he was twice the piece of shit of nixon?

[Caprinardo Delirio]

love vs. monism

phew!

[Isaiah Mpski]

You are totally missing the point of everything kid.
Do you even know who Jack Ruby was and the inconceivable odds of him being in the same picture frame as JFK?
I don't get the respect I deserve around here.
And where has Willow been lately?

[suebee]

cap those are some cool letters

and that would be "twice the piece of --- that nixon was."

where did this thread go? i love huston smith. dont you think all religion came from some kind of 'experience' that took a human out of the ordinary flow and showed him something else and wouldnt that usually have been some active plant or animal substance? a high fever could do it. or a flying saucer. but more likely something the human could repeat?

[Isaiah Mpski]

You mean like eating a fermented apple?
Where have you been hiding lately?

[suebee]

yes thank GOD for the grape....were the bacchanals (sp) religious rites?

[Isaiah Mpski]

Give me a clue.
Were they orgies?