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drew hempel
12-04-2007, 09:09 AM
OK so Daniel you stepped in a pile of the motherload and now you're trying to wipe it off in public. haha. http://commongroundmag.com/2007/12/prophetmotive0712.html

The Bob Salas -- Nuke-E.T.-UFO lie was debunked on http://unexplained-mysteries.com in my "Debunking the Disclosure Project" thread. I took on all the wing-nuts and then a relative of someone else working at that Nuke base posted how Sala had lied. Excuse me if I spelled his name wrong! haha.

So then you state "full of geometric postulates" -- exactly -- they're promoting this Freemasonry as if it's not the reason the planet is being destroyed in the first place. Sorry but no geometrical "containment" of infinity will help Earth "evolve." haha. This is the same type of Nazi-CIA-Freemason propaganda that is wrong because it comes from music ratios that rely on what I call "deep disharmony."

So Daniel -- afraid to even address all the research I've posted on your website -- that you've now run away from?

Ah -- must maintain some publicity -- some sort of consensual post-apocalyptic NY reality.

Come to Minnesota and meet qigong master Chunyi Lin -- as Mitch Horowitz stated he is going to do. Hopefully Mitch's new book will counteract the Freemason propaganda that you've stepped in.

haha.

pepe3leches
12-04-2007, 10:34 AM
hey drew, now you come with horowitz books, last summer i commanded two of them--"pirates of the sacred spiral" and "healing with bible codes". Last one was the one it puzzled me a lot.

That theory of encoded biblical music ratios that match in a pythagorean sense the numerological value of letters of the word of the illnes was too weird for me--in the other hand, there are that reports form hindi mystics who saw the sanscrit letter in the center of each chakra, but i just can't imagine how to start relating it to the horowitz theory. Must reread, though, but i remember reading some sentences that were in some sense dogmatical.

Now i only can remember that of "mathematics is the best way to describe reality"--that called my attention because that was just the opposit you were defending ...

too weird for my little mind, anyway

drew hempel
12-04-2007, 11:11 AM
Pepe -- thanks for mentioning LEONARD Horowitz, in contrast to the Mitch Horowitz I was referring to. He's linked at http://dailygrail.com where I found Daniel's latest review.

Yeah Horowitz is still caught up in SQUARE Hebrew which is a gematria -- "one-to-one correspondence" numerology of the New Age Freemason scene and started after the Greek invasion of the Middle East and the subsequent Greek-influenced Aramaic change of Hebrew.

See http://rigint.blogspot.com for details.

pepe3leches
12-04-2007, 12:24 PM
ah ok, that horowitz ... :rolleyes:

craazyman
12-05-2007, 06:42 AM
I think it's refreshing to see Daniel get back to writing about this sort of thing. It's a good article, I think.

However, I've never encountered any books yet on this subject that top the work of Jacques Vallee.

Where I find fault with Greer (even given all his achievements, and they are many) is his apparent lack of historical context for the phenomenon.

TertiusOculusOris
12-05-2007, 06:55 AM
Your links dead whats the motherload he walked into?

drew hempel
12-05-2007, 07:18 AM
Gurdjieff states (p. 293, "In Search of the Miraculous")

"In the order of their succession, according to the law of three, la will be the active element, sol the neutralizing, and fa the passive."

"This symbol points out that the substance fa in being mixed with the substance la gives as a result the substance sol. And as this process proceeds in the octave, developing as it were inside the note fa, it is therefore possible to say that fa without changing its pitch acquires the properties of sol."

OK -- so that's Gurdjieff stating the PASSIVE is the female formless awareness.

What this means is that only because of FA=DO in the Cosmic-Sun Octave, the 1st Octave, is the unknown shock of the Moon - Earth 3rd Octave able to be passed -- again the shock starting with FA.

On a practical level this means that, just as in Taoist Yoga, the alchemy begins and starts with jing -- the yin electrochemical energy turned into the alchemical agent.

So to get past a Number 4 person takes a lot of Cosmic Octave concentration -- harmonizing the emotions and storing them in the body so that the 2nd (Earth to Sun) and 3rd Octaves can be completed (Number 5 and Number 6 persons).

For example in the latest Spring Forest Qigong newsletter I noticed that Master Chunyi Lin's hair is getting gray!

In other words even though he's had another physical body leave his own -- when he was in deep training in China -- and he's levitated, etc. -- Master Chunyi Lin would have had to stay in hermitage in order to completely transform his own body into pure female formless awareness.

This final Level 6 means the creation of a golden aura -- he met Masters like this in the mountains of China.

As Gurdjieff states most healers -- monks and fakirs -- rely on emotions -- the hydrogen 12 -- without activating enough hydrogen 6, the remembering of the source of the emotions.

For this reason it's very difficult to get past a Number 4 person -- even though the 3rd Eye is open no power is further developed. Harmony can be created though.

It takes a certain level of the 2nd Octave Shock - - the air or electromagnetic energy -- to obtain a permanent center of gravity for the Number 4 person.

After that, as Gurdjieff states, it's very difficult to transform the "Si 12" (hydrogen 12) -- the last step of the First Octave (the Moon electrochemical energy) -- to further develop the 3rd Octave. Again he states that most monks and fakirs get stuck on just processing these emotions of s 12 -- the generative force-bliss.

Most sickness is caused from emotional blockages -- too much energy in the body that has not been harmonized into bliss-light.

So in order to develop power it's necessary to store up the moon energy (heat-bliss) and transform it into sun energy (bliss light into electromagnetic light and finally material-or golden light) -- but this means not allowing the bliss-light to leave a person's body.

This requires a strong detachment from the emotions -- as a self-remembering process -- which is why the Sufis practice fasting in hermitage. During fast the electrochemical energy switches to a free connection with the heart-mind energy as the organs are purified (the lower emotions). As long as none of this heart-mind bliss-light is not leaving the body for healing others then it can be cycled back in to the lower yin energy (FA) to create the immortal fetus of alchemy -- the starry astral body of a Number 6 person.

The same process is described by Master Nan, Huai-chin in Mahayana Buddhism. There are 8 levels of consciousness. The first 5 are the body -- the 6 is conceptual, the 7 is the heart-mind and the 8th is the universe. Only when the first 5, the body, are "emptied out" is merging with the 8th level of consciousness achieved -- the equivalent of a Number 7 person to Gurdjieff.

Thom
12-05-2007, 09:05 AM
Your links dead whats the motherload he walked into?

Drew seems to be referring to this thread: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=78477

Its a debate between those who believe we are being visited by beings from other planets and those (Drew) who believe this idea is disinfo spread and encouraged by the CIA in some as yet unrevealed and nefarious population control project. Drew wins on points, in my opinion.

Here (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=78477&st=270) is the page where James Carlson argues that Salas, mentioned in Daniel's article, is a liar. Quite convincing. So the "motherload" would seem to be Daniel inadvertently furthering the CIA Freemason project.

:skeptic:

drew hempel
12-05-2007, 10:13 AM
Thom -- thanks for linking the specifics! I tried to openly discuss these issues with Daniel -- and I've recommended many times that Daniel and everyone else read "The Stargate Conspiracy" which exposes Richard Hoagland as misinformed at best. The background researcher for that book is http://philipcoppens.com I think that should work -- he has specific articles on this.

But Daniel I think doesn't want to jeopardize his New Age-lite approach to these issues because there's just too many bored housewives out there that might not want to buy his next book. haha.

Here's my latest:

This is an interesting issue raised and thanks for the new reference "Quantum Theory: Concepts and Methods" (Kluwer Academic Publishers, 1998) but the author Asher Peres makes the same problem that underlines science as a whole.

Peres tries to separate math from physics while at the same time acknowledging that the math comes from music yet Peres does not have a proper understanding of the music.

To wit:

"A classical acoustic signal with intensity f(t) also cannot have both precise timing and precise pitch....This is a general property of Fourier transforms, quite independent of the underlying physics. Yet, approximate values for time and frequency are certainly compatible, as every musician knows (see page 214). Likewise, in quantum theory, we can have approximate values for both position and wavelength...."

Peres footnotes the above with:

"Do not attempt to quantize Eq. (10.98) into a time-energy uncertainty relation! Time is not an operator in quantum mechanics -- nor is it a dynamical variable in classical mechanics. It is a c-number, a mere numerical parameter. The measurement of time will be discussed in the last chapter of this book."

So clearly the POV quantum statistics used relies on the above "approximate values" yet the author has made some terribly wrong assumptions -- based on a misunderstanding of the roots of math.

Also since Peres refers this issue to the final chapter of the book I think it's safe to say that it's the most important issue for quantum mechanics.

So we go to the final chapter that Peres refers us to and find:

"Formally, the Poisson bracket (in classical mechanics) or commutator (in quantum theory) of t with any dynamical variable is always zero." (p. 406)

And so reveals Peres error -- the underlying SYMMETRY of the Brahmin phonetic-number ratio system.

I address this issue in chapter 4 of my blogbook -- http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com and math professor Joe Mazur stated it's "very valuable." Also the "time-frequency uncertainty principle" kicks off my book.

Nonwestern music relies on time as a dynamic of complimentary opposites -- in violation of the commutative principle (i.e. the conversion of uncertainty principle back into logarithmic-based mathematics).

drew hempel
12-06-2007, 10:03 AM
Yes you raise a very interesting point about objects and consciousness - how humans, if we store up energy, can then charge objects with consciousness and also read consciousness of objects -- telemetry I think it's called.

Qigong master Chunyi Lin does this what water -- over the phone. He's had great success in healing cancer by having people drink water over an extended time after he charges it up over the phone. http://springforestqigong.com

Anyway in the past three days I've sped read about 3 dozen books.

In the book "Parrot's Lament" a conversation with biology professor Donald Griffin is mentioned that's fascinating. Griffin discovered echolocation in bats and went on to study animal consciousness. Griffin notes that in a bee experiment the bees actually rejected information that pollen could be located in the middle of a lake. Griffin goes on to state he believes that invertebrates do have real consciousness -- the awareness to make judgments, possibly even moral judgments.

While this info is not new (see Jacque Cauvin's amazing book on the subject, or Lyall Watson, etc.) it is definitely rejected by mainstream science. Donald Griffin is a very well-established mainstream scientist.

I think it was a book on human evolution that noted that Jane Goodall believes when primates experience an emotion they HAVE to vocalize it.

Meanwhile a neuroscience book I read states that while destruction of Wernicke's Area -- or Broca's area -- the left cerebral cortex near the rear center -- does destroy almost all language abilities --

EXCEPT FOR COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE MIDDLE AND LOWER BODY (not including feet).

So this, as per Dr. Daniel Levition's new book "This is Your Brain on Music" -- demonstrates the close relation between music as a language of emotion and body movement and early tool use.

So this is strong evidence that gestures, tool use and language did coevolved -- as I've maintained -- the left-brain, right-hand dominance that was then transferred to the "symbolic revolution" of Freemasonry in 10,000 BCE -- the abstract "containment" of infinity through rectilinear geometry.

Oh yeah -- and then there was another example of the Bantu matrilineal shaman cults in Africa. A recent memoir by a Brit whose dad "went Native" in Kenya gave further details about hyaena shape-shifting and special communication with snakes, etc. I had read of other examples in West Africa -- the standard training just like Taoist Yoga and in traditional Brazilian training --is for the males to live isolated in a sacred grove for 3 months straight -- so that the "foundation is laid" - as Taoist Yoga states -- the 3rd eye is permanently opened with direct resonance of pure female formless awareness.

Finally Wittgeinstein, like Gregory Bateson, focused on what he called "language-games" -- the logical paradoxes found in giving orders, jokes and almost all types of communication.

Wittgeinsten notes that these language-games are not just so complicated as to undermine math-based logic but also that they reveal the hardest thing for humans to accept:

THE GROUNDLESSNESS OF OUR BEING.

drew hempel
12-06-2007, 10:29 AM
Boredom is the great problem of our times as Heidegger realized -- see James T. Hong's website.

Bored-OHM.

Even Sri Ramana Maharshi stated that chanting and mantras become too mechanical.

I disagree -- we are music -- we exist within music -- this is the secret of the Logos.

For example yesterday while hanging in McDonalds (I didn't eat anything there but just sat in full-lotus with my buddy Bookhouse Bert) -- in walks this young West African female with her parents. They're speaking French as the male counter-helper enquires, in deference to the young lady's attractiveness.

She and I make the female formless awareness connection so that light-bliss freely flows between us -- just as she walks past me to sit her parents down.

Then she comes back and stands directly with her backside to me -- but out of view of her parents -- in order to wait for the food to be ready.

The reason I point this out is that females presenting their backsides to me is something that females have to learn -- how to pick up on different levels of energy in males and how it's transmitted into female's bodies.

They have to learn to do this on the sly usually -- as Marc Hauser details in his recent book "Moral Animals" -- this sense of shame or deception with the ability for "white lies" is established by the age of 4.

So in the West -- a lot of white females, especially upper middle class -- are more repressed. But I've found that African American females -- especially older ones -- are keen on this energy. Latinas are the same -- but if they're first generation -- more English speakers than Spanish -- then they're more repressed, etc.

There's lots of variabilities but the outcome was that this West African lady, even though she's college educated, knew precisely what to do and we had an "O at a D" thereby both overcoming our otherwise boring existence in late-capitalism.

In fact that's the trend of tantric technology -- for females to overcome this repression and to demand more sexually liberating environments so that more paranormal healing can occur.

craazyman
12-06-2007, 10:41 AM
Did you think to yourself . . . " I'm Lovin' It! "

Isaiah Mpski
12-06-2007, 02:21 PM
All the time,but see the guy is so far out there,it all looks good.

SB and family in crisis CM.You might want to check it out.

Me? I got back into SHI and wish I had bought twice as much.

Flirting with 500 K now,my friend and will need help in the future.
Ok is a terrible place to spend winter or summer and am going to try to usurp Daniel's dream of Mexico.Will be in PV New Year's eve with favorite wife,18 yo daughter Sunni and military guard.

drew hempel
12-06-2007, 03:36 PM
Funny you should mention it CM -- one of the managers came in tonight and I immediately read that her "Mrs. Perfect" self was under the weather. So I had to get to work. It took a couple of full-on backside presentations by herself to stop her coughing but she's a latina goddess so I was definitely "loving it." haha. She's one of my longtime repeat customers since I started this shenigan at the beginning of the year.

suebee
12-07-2007, 08:41 AM
SB is okay isaiah. thanks for your concern.

i am posting here merely to respectfully suggest to our fellow travelers on this space that perhaps phrases such as 'daniel fucks up again' are somewhat childish and possibly less graphic headers are more appropriate when so many of us have to see them everytime we open up this site. :hmm:

bopes
12-07-2007, 09:34 AM
perhaps phrases such as 'daniel fucks up again' are somewhat childish and possibly less graphic headers are more appropriate when so many of us have to see them everytime we open up this site.

I'll second that. Whatever obscure point is meant by the title is lost on me (not to trivialize the fervid dreams of conspiracy theorists, or anything). Even after I looked at Thom's clarification, my reaction was, so what? This is a major fuck up?

drew hempel
12-07-2007, 02:55 PM
It's kinda like when I call a person an IDIOT -- I mean that literally. I already told Daniel he needs to sublimate his sexual energy. ID - iot.

That's why I stated "fucked up."

Anyone else wanna censor this shit?

bopes
12-08-2007, 04:13 AM
Here we go . . .

Isaiah Mpski
12-08-2007, 05:09 AM
Yes Drew,the Scientolgisis on board find you guilty and order you to not go near a McDonalds or a bridge for 9 months.
Gee Whiz,Gee says.

drew hempel
12-08-2007, 05:27 AM
Well SueBee was actually pissed off about my "bored housewives" comment I bet! haha. Of course it could be inferred that I'm against "bored housewives" which is not true -- logically.

I'll post the Stargate article -- so that Bopes can get real.

Here you go Bopes.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/starconundrum_0.html

Or should I also resort to a misplaced pronoun modifier ..

Here WE go (not you Bopes) but some hypothetical cyber-We that you ever so pathetically cling to.... haha

suebee
12-09-2007, 01:50 PM
no i wasnt pissed off about anything drew - i barely understand 10% of what you say so i cant get too agitated. (is there such a thing anymore in our fair land as a bored housewife? crazed housewife is more like it.) i was just sick of looking at the overused and sfb word fuck everytime i opened up BOTH, wonder boy.

drew hempel
12-09-2007, 01:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXLHWmjA5IE

suebee
12-09-2007, 02:13 PM
see? i dont get 10% of that youtube video. is that the kind of housewife you 'encounter' in macd's?

drew hempel
12-09-2007, 02:33 PM
haha -- this computer doesn't let me hear the words. What was that about? haha. Seriously -- I got that from GangaMama -- or someone -- this cool married lady at http://gnn.tv -- so anyway. The description of the other video said something about the lady letting one rip....

pepe3leches
12-09-2007, 10:55 PM
hey drew, just finishing reading Paramahansa Yogananda's "autobiography of a yogui"... i'm just curious about your oppinion about it ...

bopes
12-10-2007, 04:46 AM
Here you go Bopes.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/starconundrum_0.html

Or should I also resort to a misplaced pronoun modifier ..

Thanks Drew. It all makes perfect sense to me (us, we, you, them, they, those people, he, she and it) now. :rolleyes:

drew hempel
12-10-2007, 08:42 AM
That's one of my favorite books Pepe. Essentially full-lotus "burns karma" as Yogananda was taught. Also the types of miracles he experiences -- even testing them stating "i want this to happen" and it does, etc. -- are definitely true.

For example I've been biking in subzero F. weather here in Minnesota but I didn't have enough on my head -- on a particularly cold day. I put that out there -- worried my ears would freeze this winter. That night there was an excellent hat abandoned in the snow.

That's just a little example. The thing is that the desires are subconscious usually but that's how the female formless awareness expresses itself. As your last post noted -- Kali was secretly worshipped by Yogananda's lineage.

Well Master Nan, Huai-chin questions whether it's even worth being "spiritual" in modern times because the righteous anger becomes so prominent. Essentially the sublimated kidney energy has to transform the liver into wisdom energy that then travels to the heart to create love-force which then opens up the third eye.

After the channels are open to increase brain power for long distance healing -- to make a stronger spirit or aura -- requires greater levels of sublimated sex energy.

This is why as meditation advances it's favorable to be in an environment of solitude in a balanced ecology -- but this is obviously not very possible. Even the forest monks of Northern Thailand have to devote the time to convincing the local farmers not to encroach on their monastery forests. Not much time is left for alchemical transformation work.

It's harmonics while the world is in deep disharmony -- but empty awareness is always already.

Mahayana Buddhism teaches that there are "different levels of emptiness" -- this is true in the sense of the alchemical pill -- the combination of female formless awareness, yin electrochemical energy and yang electromagnetic energy -- as stored in the body (and projected into the universe) -- but nevertheless the female formless awareness as pure consciousness does not have different levels.