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sidecross
01-13-2008, 08:35 AM
Experts Question Clinton's New Hampshire Primary Win

By Steven Rosenfeld,

Election integrity activists parsing the precinct-level results from New Hampshire's Democratic Primary say their early analyses have found anomalies suggesting vote totals may have been altered to deliver a Hillary Clinton victory.

The activists, led by the Election Defense Alliance, a nonprofit formed after the 2004 election when exit polls also predicted a victory by a candidate other then the eventual winner, point to a series of discrepancies when comparing the official results from hand-counted and machine-counted paper ballots. Computer scanners, much like a standardized test, counted 80 percent of the ballots.

They begin by noting that Barack Obama won in hand-counted precincts, which tend to be more rural with fewer voters. In contrast, Clinton won in the precincts where computers tallied results, which are larger towns, cities and Boston suburbs. That discrepancy suggested that had the computer-counted ballots been tallied by hand, Clinton might not have won a victory defying pre-election polls, the activists said.

Anthony Stevens, New Hampshire's assistant secretary of state, said on Thursday that the hand count-computer count discrepancy was not unusual. He noted that in 2004 Democrat Howard Dean largely carried the hand-count precincts while John Kerry won most of the computer-count locales.

However, later on Thursday, Bruce O'Dell, an information technology consultant who is coordinating Election Defense Alliance's analysis, found the percentages of the vote given to Obama and Clinton, according to which counting method was used, were mirror images "down to the sixth decimal place."

"There is a remarkable relationship between Obama and Clinton votes, when you look at votes tabulated by op-scan (computers) versus votes tabulated by hand:

Clinton optical scan: 91,717 (52.95%)

Obama optican scan: 81,495 (47.05%)

Clinton hand-counted: 20,889 (47.05%)

Obama hand-counted: 23,509 (52.95%)

"The percentages seem to be swapped," he wrote, in a short piece posted Thursday on OpEdNews.com. "That seems highly unusual, to say the least."

O'Dell's report has lead many election integrity activists to conclude that New Hampshire's Democratic primary was "stolen" for Clinton. There have been numerous emails saying exactly that on a list-serve used by activists who are parsing the official primary results. Clinton beat Obama by 7,603 votes, according to the official results.

Interviewed on Friday, O'Dell said it was premature to jump to any conclusion other than the Democratic primary results were "suspect." He and others involved in scrutinizing the primary data said activists and others who were making premature conclusions would undermine their efforts to investigate the vote count.

"We are trying to be very careful on how we are phrasing this," he said.

Parsing the primary vote

O'Dell said he is focusing on examining the results within New Hampshire counties, to see if there are variations in candidate percentages in nearby precincts where ballots were counted by hand and counted by computer scanners. If there are variations in areas with similar socioeconomic profiles, he said that would re-enforce "the hypothesis" that the computerized count was inaccurate.

"This is a data-mining exercise," O'Dell said, adding that by Friday he and other researchers had narrowed their focus to three counties in southeastern New Hampshire, where most of the state's population lives. "We have made a considerable amount of progress," he said.

O'Dell's methodology has precedents. Election integrity activists in Ohio used it after 2004 to show the uneven deployment of voting machines in Franklin County caused John Kerry to lose nearly 17,000 votes. That figure emerged after activist investigators found that some precincts in Columbus's inner city lacked sufficient numbers of voting machines. Thus, by comparing voter turnout in the properly supplied precincts to nearby precincts that lacked machines -- causing long lines and people to leave -- they projected how many votes were lost. That analysis led a federal judge to order Ohio counties to preserve 2004 election records.

O'Dell also said he was looking for New Hampshire precincts with spikes in voter turnout and precincts where Clinton's margin was significantly greater than in neighboring towns. Spikes and margins, if found, could suggest vote padding. This methodology was used in Ohio in 2004, notably by Democratic staff investigators for the House Judiciary Committee, who found improbably high turnouts and vote margins favoring George W. Bush in rural counties.

Of course, the bottom line suggested by the Election Defense Alliance's inquiry is partisans somehow accessed New Hampshire's electronic voting machines to alter the outcome in Clinton's favor. While O'Dell acknowledged his findings and inquiry were building a case toward vote count fraud, he would not speculate how that could happen.

"The how to me is irrelevant," he said. "I work on IT (information technology) systems. There is a long catalog of vulnerabilities."

But the "how" question is very significant. Every election official interviewed for this report, from New Hampshire and other New England states using the same voting system as was used in New Hampshire's primary, and some of the nation's top voting rights attorneys, did not believe Clinton's primary victory was stolen.

While they agreed the mainstream media should do more to stand behind their exit polls and investigate what happened with the vote count, they cited other unreported factors that could have led to Clinton's victory, including last-minute mistakes by Obama's campaign with contacting New Hampshire voters.

Verifying the vote

While the election integrity activists press on with their analysis -- feeding speculation that a prominent Democrat has now joined prominent Republicans in "stealing" an important election -- it appears the political process will address the question.

On Friday, New Hampshire's secretary of state office confirmed that Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich had formally requested a recount of the Democratic primary vote. A Republican, Albert Howard, also requested a recount in his party's presidential primary.

Secretary of State William Gardner did not return a phone call Friday to comment on the inquiry by the election integrity activists and discuss the recount. However, an official in his office said that "we will recount each and every paper ballot," and the process was "completely public."

Oddly, some activists are opposing Kucinich's recount request, saying there are "chain of custody" issues concerning the primary's paper ballots. They also say a private contractor hired by the state to maintain and program the scanners would be involved in the recount. Their solution is a more transparent counting process on Election Night, according to several statements posted online.

Still, it is important to remember there is a paper trail in New Hampshire that can be used to verify the vote -- if those ballots are counted by hand, not run through possibly suspect scanners. In South Carolina, which will hold its primary later this month, all the voting is on paperless electronic machines. No recount is even possible there.

The timing of the New Hampshire recount is unclear. As of late Friday, Kucinich's campaign had not yet paid a $2,000 deposit, an official in the secretary of state's office said. And the campaign will have to pay for its full cost.

"It will be many thousand dollars," the official said on the phone.

Steven Rosenfeld is a senior fellow at Alternet.org and co-author of What Happened in Ohio: A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election, with Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman (The New Press, 2006).


http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/73551

craazyman
01-13-2008, 01:33 PM
because my lawyers tell me I did not even get ONE vote!

That surprises me, because I thought I'd get at least 4 or 5.

I don't know what the hell is going on up there but it sounds like something is really shady. My family is originally from New Hampshire, so I figured I'd get a couple of the old timers who remember.

Never the less, I will press on to South Carolina. If I get a total of zero there, I would be a bit less shocked because being a Northern Carpetbagger is not a good rap for a politician in South Carolina. Did I mention their old flag? Ha. I probably would in the same sentence as Fort Sumpter. That will get them to the polls, but maybe not for me.

Drew, where are you. When are you going to run for Mayor of Minneapolis. I will be your mathematics advisor. Ho ho ho.:p

Isaiah Mpski
01-13-2008, 01:58 PM
CM,you can count on one vote here in the primary in Oklahoma.:D

Rob P
01-13-2008, 07:05 PM
...

the best part is that this is only the beginning....!!!!

can you just imagine what will
be happening by november...?????

it's gonna be a long year.

...

sidecross
01-14-2008, 06:18 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06Vote-t.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=clive+thompson&oref=slogin

Isaiah Mpski
01-14-2008, 07:16 AM
See,even Sidecross is slowing down.

suebee
01-14-2008, 05:38 PM
i like edwards but if hes not on the ballot im ready to throw the election and vote CM. :D

suebee
01-14-2008, 05:40 PM
oops double entry..............

sidecross
01-15-2008, 05:48 AM
See,even Sidecross is slowing down.


The article is over 35000 words; here is another link.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06Vote-t.html?_r=2&sq=clive%20thompson&oref=slogin&scp=1&pagewanted=print

sidecross
01-16-2008, 06:25 AM
January 16, 2008

Editorial

A Quick Fix for Electronic Voting

When Americans go to the polls in November, many will likely have to cast their ballots on unreliable paperless electronic voting machines. If the election is close, the country could end up with a rerun of 2000’s bitterly contentious and mistrusted count. In an effort to avoid another such disaster, Representative Rush Holt, Democrat of New Jersey, plans to introduce a bill this week that would help address the weaknesses in electronic voting. Congress should pass it without delay.

The flaws of electronic voting machines have been thoroughly documented by academic studies and by voters’ experiences. The machines are far too vulnerable to hacking that could change the outcomes of elections. They are also so prone to mechanical error and breakdown that there is no way to be sure that the totals they report are correct. In some cases, these machines have been known to “flip” votes — award votes cast for one candidate to an opponent.

The solution is for all votes to be recorded on paper records. Voters can then verify that their choice has been accurately reflected — and the paper record can be used as a backup for the electronic machines. Whenever votes are tallied on electronic machines, there should be an audit of paper records as a check on the electronic results. If the paper totals do not match the electronic tallies, something has clearly gone wrong — and the tally of the paper ballots can be treated as the official one.

As voters have learned about the problems with electronic voting, they have sensibly pressed their representatives to adopt laws requiring voter-verified paper records. Most states, including New York, Ohio and California have now done so. Mr. Holt’s bill would make money available on an expedited basis — in time for this year’s election — for jurisdictions that still have not.

In addition to money for upgrading to paper-based voting, the bill would provide funds to conduct audits of paper records. It rightly prods jurisdictions to adopt optical-scan voting, in which ballots are marked by hand, much like a standardized test, and then fed into a computer for tabulation. Optical scans are the most reliable, efficient and cost-effective technology available. The bill also allows jurisdictions to use the money to switch to simple paper ballots that are counted by hand.

Because the bill is opt-in — it does not force any jurisdiction to make changes — it has not drawn the entrenched opposition from local election officials that mandatory paper-record bills have met. The ultimate solution to the problem of electronic voting is a national law requiring voter-verified paper records, something Congress has been inexcusably slow in adopting. As a temporary measure, however, Mr. Holt’s legislation is a good step forward.

Time to upgrade voting machines before this year’s presidential election is short, but it is not yet too late. Congress should pass the Holt bill quickly. In the meantime, eligible states and localities should prepare to apply for the money and to put in place voting systems that voters can trust.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/opinion/16wed1.html?pagewanted=print

suebee
03-28-2008, 04:35 PM
For release 3/27/08

KEEP THE REPUBLIC

By Robert C. Koehler

Tribune Media Services

The ground feels a little soft, but we’re going to stand it.

Premise one: Having a fair election — all votes counted, all who are eligible and want to vote allowed to vote — is far, far more important, even in 2008, than who wins.

Premise two: Fair elections are not a given. They never have been, but things are worse now than ever before because of a perfect storm, you might say, of factors that have converged in the new millennium: officialdom’s seduction by unsafe, high-tech voting systems; the seizure of power by a party of ruthless true believers who feel entitled to rule and will do anything to win; a polite, confused opposition party that won’t make a stink about raw injustice; and an arrogantly complacent media embedded in the political and economic status quo.

The result: Benjamin Franklin’s worst nightmare.

“Well, Doctor, what have we got — a Republic or a Monarchy?”

“A Republic, if you can keep it.”

As Franklin, who uttered those words in answer to a citizen’s query as he left the final session of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, saw with clarity, we don’t have an easy form of government. Rather, it’s a complex, unstable yoking of disparate forces, many with a blind urge to dominate. Only by keeping them in relative check do we maintain our relative freedom and, most importantly, our right to participate in our macro-destiny: that is, to have a say in, to help determine, the country’s direction.

Without an intense degree of citizen involvement at the structural level — down there amid the gears and cogs of universal enfranchisement — our government will soon default to something far simpler: one that is of, by and for whoever seizes power.

I know, just thinking about this is terrifying. The stakes are too high. We have no context for contemplating the possibility that the United States is anything but “the world’s greatest democracy,” which surely explains why most of the media, including a phalanx of progressive publications that ought to be on hair-trigger alert about vote suppression and manipulation, have ignored or dismissed the glaring danger signals.

These signals include, among much else: obscenely long lines in many African-American and student precincts on Election Day 2004; bogus voter challenges and purges; vote-flipping (“I pressed Kerry and Bush lit up”), weird vote totals (more votes counted than cast, undervote totals that defy common sense) and an array of other “glitches” in precincts that use electronic voting machines; and huge discrepancies between exit poll results and vote totals that, in other parts of the world, would instantly cast doubt on the validity of the election.

It all comes down to the first few words of Dorothy Fadiman’s about-to-be-released documentary, “Stealing America: Vote by Vote,” spoken by investigative journalist Greg Palast: “The nasty little secret of American democracy is that not all the votes get counted.”

It has been my privilege to be part of two new documentaries — Fadiman’s, and David Earnhardt’s “Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections,” which is currently in theaters and available on DVD — that focus on the disquieting irregularities (see above) of the 2004 and subsequent elections.

Both movies, by presenting the issue in Americans’ medium of choice, and by creating a context for the possibility of election fraud that transcends Chicken Little and reminds viewers of our nation’s long history of citizen struggle and vigilance, raise the hope that today’s crisis will resonate with a large segment of the public and lead to widespread anger and awareness . . . and maybe something that doesn’t go away. A demand for paper ballots, perhaps. A citizens’ movement.

Recognizing and capturing that “something” was, I think, the unstated goal of a recent two-day brainstorming session I attended in Palo Alto, Calif., that Fadiman organized among people long involved in the issue.

After a lot of anguished back-and-forth, we came out of it with a mission statement that was almost Zenlike in its quiet resonance: To encourage citizen ownership of transparent, participatory democracy.

The vision here, coiled in each word, is of a nation full of election monitors, demanding answers, standing tough when they are rebuffed or told, no, this information is not public (computer voting-machine source codes, exit poll data); or no, the public isn’t allowed here (vote-count premises); or sorry, we didn’t anticipate such a large turnout (not enough voting machines, not enough ballots).

“This really is the serious business of our lives,” said Ion Sancho, election supervisor of Leon County, Fla., a fair-elections hero and one of the participants. “My goal is waking people up. My tactic is to put myself in the middle of the road and say” — to anyone who would suppress or interfere with the vote — “hey, you’re going to have to hit me.”

These are just words unless you sign on with your life.

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Robert Koehler, an award-winning, Chicago-based journalist, is an editor at Tribune Media Services and nationally syndicated writer. You can respond to this column at bkoehler@tribune.com or visit his Web site at commonwonders.com.

© 2008 Tribune Media Services, Inc.


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im gonna sign on.

suebee
03-29-2008, 09:38 AM
this probably belongs under the gwb thread but i dont want to leave the prior post unread so ill post here. last night on real time bill maher interviewed john cusak. now he is about as cute as a button and ive always really liked his acting, but last night he said so much that i fear for his safety, although with this sonambulent population, maybe no one induces heart attacks anymore....(reminded me of new years eve on network tv with sam kinnison-a few months later he's dead).

blah blah. you can hear it on hbo.com (stream the show or whatever) last night's show. and the new rules were as usual killer.