Why the manipulations of the Media?

[Somantics]

Not to sound too prosaic but the power of the word is truly a wondrous thing. After reading the following article in today's UK Guardian -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1839522,00.html

my blood boiled at the seething inhumanity of the US soldiers (I am fully aware of the centuries of inhumanity of British soldiers - that's how we prospered!?) and their sheer indifference to the population they're over running for the business interests of middle aged vampires.

After this I saw a billboard for the Daily Mail (known as the Daily Hate to anyone not interested in inciting racial tensions) that trumpeted the fact that council tax (the spurious charge inflicted by local borough's for who knows what) is set to rise to pay for increased immigration to the UK (they never mention the increasing amount of people who are leaving for France, Portugal, New Zealand etc).

Hang on I thought - they're pushing my buttons once again. How many times before i turn off for good
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It's always easy to forget that this is how it happens. This is how we are controlled. It could be the less-than-subtle productions of the nightly TV news - that make everything into an entertaining bitesize drama - even war and suffering, to the more covert manipulations of the sold called quality broadsheets.

So it is that you could be led into thinking (if you believed half of it) that all Americans are stupid, obese, spoilt children that (just like children) are kept subdued by being allowed endless TV, fatty gratifying foods, big dumb cars and guns. In fact (and I've spent a lot of time in many parts of the states) this is seldom the case. As for asylum seekers and immigrants in the UK - that's been a cause of contention since Ancient Egypt…can't they at least think of anything more original!!??

Anyway it's obvious to many that they're doing this. What's less palpable is the actual reasons why and exactly who's benefiting. Is it the good old divide and conquer? Is it to lower the collective vibration of the race and subdue positive change? Is it just to profit from our fears?

I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts - especially from our American brothers - your model of media is increasingly imitated here in the UK

[drew hempel]

Well I don't pay for any of the mainstream media in the U.S. and rely on postings (like you just provided) or community discussion with other renegades (like Noam Chomsky).

My surprise is how quickly people are brainwashed by reading the MSM or watching T.V. Chomsky points out that Public Radio in the U.S. is the worst because it creates this facade of sophisticated discussion but in reality the whole debate his framed by this fake dialectic (Dems vs. Repubs, etc.)

[Somantics]

As in the core issues or socio-domestic policy is never even questioned. What it is to be human at the beginning of the century! Who the fuck said that this is it? Born, raised, conditioned to believe in dead idols… any way…

Somehow there are people who can decipher and / or sense real truths and the agenda’s that attempt to prevent them surfacing! Listen to me I’m sounding as unhinged as some of the others on this forum. But it’s absolutely great to know that there are many who reject this stuff. As for me I try to adopt the axiom that if it ‘comes through a screen it’s questionable to believe’ – this include the internet.

[Agent Smith]

yes drew chomsky is right on, npr is like a soul draining toxin (even if the guys on car talk are funnier than shit.)

here in NYC we get a fair bit of alternative coverage from WBAI/pacifica, with the likes of amy goodman, and too many others to mention at the moment ( www.majidali.com (http://www.majidali.com) )

lots of great info to be had...

Somantics-you hit a point i've been trying to make for a while, the careful media manipulation, of trying to convince the world that america is a country of couch potato imbecilic dubya clone fatties has been both subtle in it's execution, and devestating in it's result. people feel isolated, and alone in their dissent from 'the consensus reality', where 'reasonable, rational people live in a real world.'

if indeed the US is the world's 'sole superpower', why then this massive campgain to weaken, and destroy it from within? with reckless squandering of resources from the right, and self loathing and ineffective infighting, bickering, and backbiting from the left? (americans 'deserve' to have it all come crashing down for being weak willed soft bellied, selfcentered, perverted...blah, blah)

two seemingly opposite tactics, same result?

what for?

there was a discussion elsewhere on the net about the two different 'stories' about the '90- was it an era of unprecendented oppertunity, and wealth for those with the will to harness the free market, where the moral fabric of the country eroded due to decadence? or was it a time where great strides were made socially, globally, and intellectually through the internet, at the cost of political, and economic power by the majority of people, as capital concentrated itself in fewer, and fewer hands?

are these the only two ways of looking at things?

[Somantics]

Well I made that point earlier about 'lowering the collective vibration' but you needn't go to the lengths that someone like David Icke makes about 'entities feeding of this energy' to understand that people are just more pliable when isolated. As for the indulging of the population part of the scenario it's true of all Western nations up to a point (and has been since old Rome when the Emperors laid on more and more bloody games to satiate the populace and keep there attention away from matters of state), look at the obsession with Football here in the UK - tribal, money orientated, pointless!

I think, as always, that diversity is the best thing about nature. Everybody having their own ideas and others cherishing there right to do so in co-operation. It's not healthy for everyone to be thinking the same thing, adopting the same views, and reading the same stories everyday. Besides, straying of the path of received wisdom leads you straight to many others who are driving in the same direction anyway, and thanks to the internet, you can test all your cultural assumptions with people from all over the world - there's no need to be isolated if you start making steps.

One example of media brainwashing here in London is the free newspaper Metro. I commute on 3 trains right across the city everyday and at every station they give away this newspaper. It consists of recycled (from yesterday's Mail and Evening Standard) shock stories about terrorist threats on the Underground, killer flu, Islamic fundamentalism, and every day it's a never-ending tirade. I stand on the train and watch as at least 90% of people sit there and absorb this stuff - it's a perfect negative control. So innocuous yet so barbed.

Am I wrong?

[craazyman]

Yes Somantic, you are wrong. But you're a thinker, so eventually you'll circle around the truth enough times that you'll see it and figure out how to land on it. You'll eventually realize it's not a "Western" thing but a human thing, and that as bad as it is here, it's mostly worse elsewhere -- where gossip, innuendo, tribal rage, hideous stereotypes and the command of some self-appointed or hereditary priestly class more than make up for the vomit of phobias and dreams that misdirect the collective consciousness of the sheep of our culture -- with the exception of select small tribal cultures with the good fortune to have penetrated the veil to achieve the nearly magic harmony that escapes most groups of humans -- but these are few.

There are facts, misreported facts, and then there are interpretations of the misreported facts. Look to the facts.

Western society did not invent pradation, war, bigotry, fear, hate, misogeny, rape or torture. And it has the redeeming quality of carrying within it the seeds of the negation of its crimes. There are absolutes, and despite its massive mistakes, it, or the best parts of it, still searchs for these.

[Somantics]

Hey

I've no doubt that our society carries within it the seeds of its own redemption - this conversation is part of the proof - and equally I am more than aware of the suppression and oppression suffered by many caught up in domineering cultural regimes. You need not look far to find examples, even in the UK.

Most of those cultures fall back on one or two books to fulfil that function whereas anyone raised within our constant barrage of media information needs slightly more sophisticated means to be kept distracted.

Nevertheless Capitalist society's damage on the planet, other cultures and ourselves cannot easily be dismissed and is unprecedented in terms of scale and effect - the fact of this situation calls for more than comparisons with more odious traditions - it demands ours, and everyone's full attention.

Just asking the question is all I advocate

[Agent Smith]

i was told by a lady today that there weren't any trashcans in the building we were in 'for security purposes'.

i was like WTF?

she acted like i wanted the terrorists to win when i told her that was idiotic.

[craazyman]

Most people are completely insane. Smith, I know you're a big fan of American literature so I know you'll know what I'm talking about when I say it's a world of Claggarts from Melville's Billy Budd. When the insanity is most active, it is, to most folks, indistinguisable from sanity. I'm sure she made perfect sense to herself.

I work as a freelance consultant and the most astonishing pyschological thing I've noticed as I circulate around corporate offices is the shallow nervous tribal bonding that occurs among the full-time employees--mostly of the mid-level type. For most of these folks, the job is the only thing of any emotional self-definition in their lives. The littlest facets and features of it that are shared or recognized by the group become fetishes to be coveted. The nervous urge to safety and security and belonging fuses its way into everything. Anyone outside the tribe is an object, and those inside take on a priviledged status--this mirrors everything we know about analytical group psychology. Anything that threatens the tribe, like trashcans to an insane woman, looms like a potential tragedy.

But to see this up close and active can be astonishing anyway. It's the same form of psychic energy that leads to beheadings, tribal wars and massacres. It's like a laboratory to see it in this particular relatively innocuous manifestation.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Sounds like you're upset Smith.
Cut up the trash into little bitty pieces and do the same thing everybody up there in Yankeeland does with all the dog shit.
Flush it down the toilet.Lol.
You guys up there are like a bunch of keystoned cops.The terrible thing is I have to help pay for it.
I do hope it cools off for you guys-down to about 50 below so the price you are paying for my gas and oil will at least double this winter.

I'll try and plant a little extra in the fall garden for youse guys.



A frustrated Confederate Indian in Oklahoma

[Somantics]

I try and ask you guys, in different country to me, a question about media manipulation and suddenly we’re snapping about lack of bins and narrow minded old ladies (which is exactly the way they’re supposed to be). Can we go deeper? Can we learn?

Isiah. Confederate?

[Isaiah Mpski]

Follow me.

[lovemanifest]

Somantics,

I think we chose an odd time to hop on this board. I got your back, brother.

I believe the media is a powerful tool of the Illuminati. I don't have TV. I can't bring myself to sit through another sitcom or "breaking story." It's too disgusting to go back to.

Many people I encounter are still sleeping. They eat pills when they feel tired, awake, hungry, bloated, uncomfortable, ugly, bored, etc. They give their children pills to make them behave. They eat food from a bag, box, or can, and the occasional underripe GMO fruits and veggies. They drive spitting distance to get to a store to buy something frivolous. Most folks I know listen to the news and believe it--even like the anger and separation that it breeds. They watch brain-draining shows instead of cherishing time with friends, family, and themselves. They listen to their doctors/drug reps, happily giving away their power and masking their symptoms of disease. They are afraid of their bodies, and suffer greatly for it. They listen to authority, and cannot envision a world without someone else deciding what's best for them.

Yes, the media has done a fine job of distacting and misleading the masses. Our collective vibration has been nice and low to ensure our slumber, and their profit.
But fuck it all. That's right, fuck it. Don't worry about it--worry is fear. Don't ignore it, either--just the opposite--look right at it. See it for what it is, and then let us stop with the masturbatory "Oh, isn't it terrible..."

Because the truth is "Oh, isn't it exquisite?"

[David L]

Originally posted by Agent Smith:
yes drew chomsky is right on, npr is like a soul draining toxin (even if the guys on car talk are funnier than shit.)

here in NYC we get a fair bit of alternative coverage from WBAI/pacifica, with the likes of amy goodman, and too many others to mention at the moment ( www.majidali.com (http://www.majidali.com) )

lots of great info to be had...

Somantics-you hit a point i've been trying to make for a while, the careful media manipulation, of trying to convince the world that america is a country of couch potato imbecilic dubya clone fatties has been both subtle in it's execution, and devestating in it's result. people feel isolated, and alone in their dissent from 'the consensus reality', where 'reasonable, rational people live in a real world.'

if indeed the US is the world's 'sole superpower', why then this massive campgain to weaken, and destroy it from within? with reckless squandering of resources from the right, and self loathing and ineffective infighting, bickering, and backbiting from the left? (americans 'deserve' to have it all come crashing down for being weak willed soft bellied, selfcentered, perverted...blah, blah)

two seemingly opposite tactics, same result?

what for?

there was a discussion elsewhere on the net about the two different 'stories' about the '90- was it an era of unprecendented oppertunity, and wealth for those with the will to harness the free market, where the moral fabric of the country eroded due to decadence? or was it a time where great strides were made socially, globally, and intellectually through the internet, at the cost of political, and economic power by the majority of people, as capital concentrated itself in fewer, and fewer hands?

are these the only two ways of looking at things?To touch a few points. "Why if he us is a superpower"

We (I've) seen how people within congress have changed their views or said they did to better distance themselves from situations that may negatively effect their political goals, i.e Arnold distancing from bush, the con. Situation with Leberman.

If it seems that people may be trying to weaken the US system, are those people just trying to establish a power stucture that they can call their own?

I was watching that "In the foot steps of Bin Laden". Hearing about his history, religious practices, etc, people called him a "quite, shy" person. I think he had good ideas - disdain for the political structures and policies of his country and others. Instead of using that energy for a more constructive cause with potential positive outcomes he choose the path that we "know" of, a terrorist.

I think the grail - ourselves and the connection with the divine is becoming more apparent because it is a necessary part of our being that many have forgotten. Its intensity is growing because of its importance and undeniable presence. Some people can't handle it or don't understand it, resulting it miss use of energy, or fragmenting the energy - shadow. Kind of like the strong power of the kundalini energy, if one is not aware of its presence the energy can be over whelming.


The result of what’s going on is people projecting the deep undesired parts of their (our) psyches. This fragmentation is our current bane but I think we can work with and through it to resolve this long split.

I think the majority of people are living with a self serving bias mentality. "Hey man thats not my fault, it was them ---->"

This has lead people to avoid dealing with their own misuse and distortion of information - not living in accordance with reality since they are distortions.

[drew hempel]

I was watching that "In the foot steps of Bin Laden". Hearing about his history, religious practices, etc, people called him a "quite, shy" person. I think he had good ideas - disdain for the political structures and policies of his country and others. Instead of using that energy for a more constructive cause with potential positive outcomes he choose the path that we "know" of, a terrorist

HAA -- you're a VICTIM OF CIA PROPAGANDA.

I justed happened to watch that CNN documentary on Osama Bin Laden but I had spent the week reading Mike Ruppert's amazing expose "Crossing the Rubicon" see http://copvcia.com

I was able to literally debunk the CNN CIA disinfo piece as it mentioned names -- I would look them up in the index.

I don't normally watch t.v. (since it's all corporate-state CIA lies) but I was in a Somali mall and they watch t.v.

So then I told the owner that it was all CIA lies and told him how Mike Ruppert just had all his computers smashed and Ruppert permanently left the U.S.

Ruppert's research is AMAZING. He name's names and has all the documents detailed.

OH so Bin Laden is CIA, created through Pakistani I.S.I. to fight the Ruskies. Bin Laden's family have continued to support both Osama AND the Bush Dynasty since Harken Energy was going bankrupt.

It's ALL A BIG SCAM.

drew hempel, MA

[David L]

I think you just supporting Rupert's view to get me to subsribe to "fromthewilderness.com"

[lovemanifest]

I don't understand the dynamics on this site yet. Perhaps a few of you are old friends and enjoy throwing good-humored remarks back and forth, or perhaps the ample sarcasm is a smokescreen for a deeper insecurity.

"HA! You fell for (insert idea here)!" ?
Drew, you are a very shiny penny, but why cut people down who aren't as well-versed in conspiracy issues? And craazyman, who are you to tell people they're wrong? Is this myspace or a discussion forum for learning? Oh, and Isaiah, you're kinda freakin me out.

[Isaiah Mpski]

I'm just teasing you love.I'm not dangerous unless I drink too much wine.
Yes there are several people who have come and gone from this site and a few ever so often check in infrequently.A clue to some of their remarks can be gathered from their membership number.
As to me,yes I am under some stress too.
I have about one week to come up with a lawsuit against the hospital and surgeon who butchered my mother.

I didn't really understand your remark about creating an imaginary personaliity.Don't you think that is how the "real" Messiah will kinda materialize.
The more you believe,the more synchronicity in the events happening around you will manifest.John 14:26,15:26,and 16:13.Interpret those passages for me Lord CM.
GD.I already know what you think.

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[lovemanifest]

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[lovemanifest]

Nope, that was not at you, dear. I was thinking of a scene in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
26?

[celeste]

I wish to respond to Somantics' somantics.

Indeed people ought to be aware that the role of the media is to intercept information and that we need to be clearly shown the people who are behind this 'media-tion', their allegiances and biases. Of course we have to see truth as fairly reported news but we can only do this if we can identify the purveyor of the information and their sources (this doesn't have to be through an Illuminati conspiracy hue as it is plainly obvious that powerful men run it all)

I have to disagree that football is just corporate, pointless and a brainwashing of the masses. Indeed the Premiership in the UK has become a mass market of merchandise and false hopes (there are otherways to get into Europe!) But as the World Cup showed, football is a global game which triggers the hopes and dreams of populations (collectively... and isn't that what we all want?) At grass roots level football is the one sport that inspires men away from thoughts of war and terror (or war on terror!)

Furthermore, I live in Cardiff (moved from London where I used public transport everyday) and here in the Welsh capital we now also have a daily edition of the FREE Metro newspaper. I have to disagree with your assumption that the Metro is recycled news feeding a braindead populus with misinformation. From what I see, the fact that the paper is free immediately makes one aware that we are not funding a media empire when we read it, therefore not funding political parties and agendas. The news presented is therefore far less biased than that you find elsewhere in the British media. The content of the news too is far more science based (just yesyerday it was possible to read about the Cassiopeia supernova explosion in the Metro...with colour pictures from Hubble)

In summation, I believe that we ought to be aware of where our news comes from, being judicious about what we believe is fair reporting, while seeking as much information from as many sources as we can trust (indeed Noam Chomsky himself gave an interview to The Independent newspaper just this week responding to the qustions of the British public...if we didn't read the news we would not hear what he is thinking today!)

It is a mistake to believe that when you look at people reading the Metro on the tube that none of those people is critically dissecting the news in front of them or is simply accepting that it must all be factual reporting. That is when you begin to judge how intelligent folks are without knowing who they are or what they are thinking. This is dangerous ground for anyone, but especially people like Craazyman whose thoughts expressed in this thread are frighteningly close to an imperialistic, fascist view of elite consciousness. These are the very thoughts that make people i) believe that the Illuminati is real ii) go to war with 'lesser' civilisations and iii) cause hurt and sufering where they are heard by the masses.

Please avoid this kind of anti enlightenment talk and do as lovemanifest suggests... look, listen, appraise and fuck it all. As I have said elsewhere on this board, Bill Hicks was an incredibly intelligent, peaceful and truthful man. Even now, should we need help to look at the world as it trully is, we need only listen to his Rant in E Minor, or his Philosophy and we are enlightened beyond the Illuminati!!!

[craazyman]

Oh, my thoughts don't hurt anybody that can think for themselves. Celeste, what happened to Beckham? I don't follow soccer, so I only know he got canned as captain of the team or something. But I can feel the hurt, believe me, I like American football & have my favorites and you're quite right about sports. Why they generate the animosity they do among some quarters of the "intelligentsia" is beyond me. I can feel your spirit and you're clearly the empathetic type, so you can imagine how bad they're hurting in Red Sox nation right now--last week dropping 5 straight vs. the Yankees and all the injuries. What a sad, sad fiasco. But you know, if you follow the Sox long enough, you can almost see it coming. Another September, another fadeout.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Glad you can get out to the semi-wilderness Lord CM.
We fished late last night until a front moved through.
Caught one good juan and tied him to an oak tree till we could clean him this morning.
This morning the oak tree was gone so that gives you some idea of thre size Lake Eufaula Oklahoma.Over 600 miles of shoreline.

[ August 31, 2006, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: Isaiah Mpski ]