Skeptiscm and Science

[kinkaka]

I have question , though this is more aimed towards the science community and not all scientists but the ones I've encountered in the world of medicine.

What I would like to ask however is how someone who had anomalies would go about addressing it , if it did not fit into the syntax of the medical beliefs and was not obvious to the naked eye ?

There are many examples of scientists who were dismissed as result of their beliefs until they were eventually proven, so what would happen if someone without those credentials happened to stumble or fall into a new discovery without those means ?

Would science just ignore them , perhaps label them crazy ?

And what if the discovery itself prompted a new set of ideas or approaches that had not been developed or largely ignored because there was no demand or need for it ?

Skeptiscm I thought was supposed to be tool to be used , not something almost pathalogical to apply to every un contested new idea .

thanks

kkk

[bopes]

Well, don't tease us. What's the new discovery?

[willoweyes]

Kinkaka, you know the answers to your questions! Of Course! and yes and yes and yes. And yes, but not in the real world.

science and capitalism will both shortly be revealed in their underware, for the hollow cheap harlots they have become. And a new synthesis will appear, in the nick of time. But don't sit around waiting. work while the sun shines, for the dark when no man may work is long.

[Isaiah Mpski]

There was an "insane" British poet named John Donne who said,
"Keep as good a watch on the physician as he does on the disease"

Modern science,as you well see,as been sleeping in the bed of "Patent Medicines"and the pharmaceutical industry.
There are some good ones out there.BUT..
George Bush is an oil man,McCain is nuts,
Hillary is an angel and Obama has the looks:

It's time to start looking for a place up near the Pecos.
If you see any good deals on worthless houseboats around Texoma,let me know.I want to do what the guy in Yomexico.com did.

The old ones are beginning to make a comeback.

[kinkaka]

I’m suffering physically with something that I cant prove because of its nature through your garden gp practice or even perhaps through what is considered modern medicine today.


This anomalies effects me in ways that others including those on any path have no point of reference to and as result I feel very alienated amongst other things and bitter too boot i.e. because there’s no template on how on deal with them other than miracle accounts of various things like entheogens ( I tried that too ) were someone occasionally win the lottery.

This anomaly itself came about through another two anomalies (
one I cant explain other than something I developed myself ) and the
other as result of seeking a fringe treatment in the US called NCR (
neuro cranial reconstruction ) that I believe has compromised an area
of my body that science regards as impossible ( the
Supportive tissue in the skull ) and as result I have no means , or
way to prove it.


I am literally housebound now as result of this and others who are
looking to misinterpt any of these deteriorations as something else and isolated not only from using my body for spiritual practices but everyday ones too.

Inspite of previous experinces that occurred over some 2 years and were a significant , if not the highlight of my life, I just dont know what to think about where I am meant to go from here.

Im tired of suffering ( and theres lot more to this I have mentioned )

And I hate the idea of having to try persuade folk who I know will never listen to someone like myself who isnt a scientist and has no means to back up their claims .

Invariably in spite of having some great friends I find myself bitter at all of this not just because the efforts Ive made , but because Im haunted and miss that aspect of my self I cant reach .

[willoweyes]

Hang in there, Peony Tree. You are not alone, by no means. And if we all got what we deserve, wed be run out of the town with a stick.

there is no justice, only Lady Luck.

Read some William Gibson. u can do that anywhere; will provide HOPE.

[kinkaka]

Really ?

Please tell where you read about someone who has to get cranial injections to support his fasica to avoid it causing other problems that affect his moods, mobility, neurology and as time alters his states ?

You think some bs sci fi will change that , or maybe Santa Claus will drop in to say hi ?

Jesus whats the fuckin point..

scientist or fuckin spiritualitiy both have their heads right up their damm ass .

[willoweyes]

me and santa have some great chats.

[kinkaka]

Kinkaka, you know the answers to your questions! Of Course! and yes and yes and yes. And yes, but not in the real world.

science and capitalism will both shortly be revealed in their underware, for the hollow cheap harlots they have become. And a new synthesis will appear, in the nick of time. But don't sit around waiting. work while the sun shines, for the dark when no man may work is long.

Really ?

And how will that happen ?

Ad far as I know this is it, if you get screwed theres no comeback no lifeline , no prizes for fighting , no nothing..


Karma is the biggest load bollocks out there to name a few.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Let US hope not K.

But in the meantime,like an ancient Roman said,
'..life is the suffer and die.."


and as the battle plays out till the end,the best advice,and it's very hard to do in this wicked world,
"...to thine own self be true.."

[craazyman]

if you were more specific, kkk, maybe somebody could help you. otherwise, it seems as though you're putting us all on with your elliptical and amorphous references.

Have you ever thought about hitting yourself on the head with a rubber mallet?

It used to fix the TV, back in the old days. Maybe it would work. Or at the very least, your superego would find the punishment it craves, and maybe it would ease off on you for a while.

[Isaiah Mpski]

I meant,to suffer and die.

Lord CM,I think you're being a little harsh on our newcomer.
I often mind(obvious F Slip) myself wondering about justice and karma.:hmm:

And then I catch myself sinning and wonder how it works into the divine plan.:hmm:


And I say unto ye,if your hand offend you,cut it off.
If your eye offend thee,rip it out.:eek:

Follow me.

[willoweyes]

Isaiah, it really wasn't necessary to correct your brillant comment condensing the meaning of life.

and frankly, I don't think he was hard enough on the ungrateful little shit.

[kinkaka]

if you were more specific, kkk, maybe somebody could help you. otherwise, it seems as though you're putting us all on with your elliptical and amorphous references.

Have you ever thought about hitting yourself on the head with a rubber mallet?

. .


It used to fix the TV, back in the old days. Maybe it would work. Or at the very least, your superego would find the punishment it craves, and maybe it would ease off on you for a while.

..


I'll stay with you until the end
I'll say you'll let me be your friend
I'll say you'll let me in the end
I just wanna be your friend

How can I be sure you're breaking all the rules
How can I be sure I should be high above
I'll climb the mountain, reaching for the skies
And all too soon I jump the moon and find I'm losing my mind

And don't tell me you're the howling wind
And don't tell me you're the moonlit star
And don't tell me you're the devil's friend
And don't tell me, no don't tell me I've gone too far

I didn't hear you as you left my room last night
You turned your back on me
I didn't hear you as you left my room last night
Please return and set me free

I'll climb the mountain, reaching for the skies
And all too soon I jump the moon and find the sun burns my eyes

And don't tell me you're the howling wind
And don't tell me you're the moonlit star
And don't tell me you're the devil's friend
And don't tell me, no don't tell me I've gone too far

No no no...
No no no...
I can't get a grip on...
I can't get a grip on...
I can't get a grip on... (you)
I can't get a grip on... no no I can't get a grip on!

I'll say you'll let me in the end
I'll say you'll let me be your friend
I've maybe asked this once before
Don't you love me anymore

~blancmange

[Isaiah Mpski]

Thanks Willow.I think though the Roman-who lived around 200 BC-must have had a few glimpses of love and happiness despite the final conclusion.

Oh though,to be able to dream and accomplish,to able to build your own pyramid,to rename the Zodiac and science and combine them into one,that is our future if we really desire and have the faith because we have the moment and the opportunity this time around.

"and it shall come to pass that if ye say to a mountain move,it shall move."
"And ye shall see new sights in the sky,and earthquakes in diverse places."

JC

[kinkaka]

Thanks Willow.I think though the Roman-who lived around 200 BC-must have had a few glimpses of love and happiness despite the final conclusion.

Oh though,to be able to dream and accomplish,to able to build your own pyramid,to rename the Zodiac and science and combine them into one,that is our future if we really desire and have the faith because we have the moment and the opportunity this time around.

"and it shall come to pass that if ye say to a mountain move,it shall move."
"And ye shall see new sights in the sky,and earthquakes in diverse places."

JC

By the time Science wakes up to that dream all of us will be dead.

Its not there arent examples of technologies that might help , its just that most of them are cashcows and government poodles who will do as their told rather than risk their reputations or grants.

Cyborge insects , remote controlled sharks etc etc

Its all focussed on military though funnily enough it doesnt seem to make it the battlefield when it come to actually anything pratical.

Governments will never change , regardless of whos in power and so neither will progress or anything else because all governments priorities usually lie more in war mongering and control.

With Bush already accussed of spying on his own people and this technology their working on being developed to spy its clear to see where governments are going to extend that control but theres too many stupid people to do anything about it much less care.

If these fuckers wanted to change things they could do it a day , but they make far too much money and power from what their doing to ever do that.

[suebee]

some peoplehave to stay away from the news, bad movies, documentaries in order to keep sane, to survive. knowing too much can be tempered by focusing on things that are good for you (of course you have figure out what those things are; they start with sleep and exercise and eating right), and on putting your energy into something you believe in, whatever that something is. it is all we can do. it doesnt mean you dont care or know, just that if you are lucky enough to be mysteriously alive in a 'free' enough space, squandering that luck on crap thats bad for you just plays into the hands of the ones who would keep us slaves. you cant contribute/change much if you dont take care of yourself.

[Isaiah Mpski]

"...sell all that ye may possess and follow me..."

JC

I wonder what heaven must be like if I were one-handed and one-eyed.

I think SB,that ye enter into heaven looking the same as you left this consciousness so,eat,drink,and be Mary.

JD

Old frog,new pond.New pond,old frog.SPLASH!


MPSKI

[suebee]

no fears isaiah, red wine is taking care of me. :p

[kinkaka]

Life is not so striaghtforward for some.

This charts the shorthand version of my health aliments up to 03

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91 Oct Parathesia - Nick Bolleteri Tennis Academy

This was the very first symptom I experienced before my problem snowballed into the state they are today most notably the loss of sensation I mentioned below .

Loss of Sensations - Nick Bolleteri Tennis Academy

This happened in 91 and while still active , this was before any of my other problems came into being .This recently gotten drastically worse since March of last year to the point I have trouble writing and having sense of objects.

Shoulder Impingement - Nick Bolleteri Tennis Academy

Wasn't diagnosed until 7 years later , and 6 specialists later in spite of not being able to raise my shoulder, I was told I was , " To young to have any problem " and refused a physical inspection by my local gp .

93 - 95 Shoulder Instability / Possibly Tear - Home

As result of trying to play tennis when I shouldn't of been problems eventually got worse to the point I started suffering pains and stopped ( my own choice ) . The next 2 years did not bring any relief in spite of being told to rest . My right shoulder in particular had started to drop noticeably and the scapula wing.

96 - 97 Further Shoulder Deterioration - Home

After finally finding a specialists who was able to see ( without an examination ) what 5 previous specialists had failed to find I spent a year doing intense rehab at his request , in spite of some improvement the problem only spread to my other shoulder as well.

98 -99 Self Developed Feedback

After being refused an operation I had been originally promised I was left with rehab that was only adding to the deteriorations that had come about in my other shoulder and as result I began exploring and developing my own " techniques ". These eventually evolved into something else that allowed me to manipulate the body's joints , fascia by myself using self feedback that cured my scapula winging / shoulder instability and allowed me to hit a ball for the first time since 93.


99 Aug Prolotherapy - Dr Hauser , Caring Medical

I began my first Prolotherapy treatment with s Dr Hauser and given an was anesthetic which made me very anxious . He did blood tests and had me on $110.00 supplement and diet programme based on my metabolic type, after the second treatment seemingly unrelated problems started to appear.

99 Oct Gastritis & Dysphagia - Dr Hauser , Caring Medical
This started developing after the 2nd Prolotherapy treatment , at the time I was told these symptoms I was experiencing had never occurred to any one else yet , in less than 6 weeks I had already started to develop something I never previously had a history of in my life.

00 Jun Metoclopramide Neuropathy - Dr ? , Bulgaria

As result of being refused an endoscopy back home for my gastritis , which had now become so chronic to the point I could barely eat anything or catch my breath due to burping, I went to Bulgaria to seek treatment. Once there I was given antibiotics and a drug called Metoclopramide , the Metoclopramide in particular caused me terrible anxiety and neurological symptoms that still persist e today.

01 May New Prolotherapist - Dr Faber , Milwaukee

Went back to the US to see another Prolotherapist to see if the other solution and technique he used would make any difference to the problems I had experienced the last time. The results from the sodium morruhate in itself were far more effective than the dextrose and more importantly did not cause any seemingly related side effects like the last time.

02 Aug Neuro Cranial Reconstruction ( NCR ) - Dr Hauser , Caring Medical

With these two newer symptoms causing problems and others lower joints now being a factor I became frustrated with the Prolotherapay . My capital did not extend the sort of investigations I wanted and nor did the interest any one I contacted or turned to for help . These frustrations lead to me looking for another route to influencing my spiraling health aliments and in turn a treatment called NCR .

02 Oct Neurological / Prioproceptive Disorders - Home

After a short while home this looseness in my skull had increased to the point I had trouble walking , and I would experince strange weight shifts in my gait that felt like I was on a see - saw , this gradually got worse and as it did so I noticed a terrible mounting tension that I could feel from that back of my heel all the way up to the bade of my skull.

This tension was identical to the one I experienced after the second NCR treatment and made it very uncomfortable to walk i.e. because of this pulling sensation that got stronger the more I tried to walk.
Although I was aware of it I thought it might balance itself it somehow though it was becoming increasingly obvious this problem was also affecting my sense of balance now to the point I felt unstable.

Then one day out the blue I felt as though something heavy had been thrown over my head or something had given way towards this tension I was feeling from the base of my skull, I was agony i.e. every part of my face felt like it was being pulled out of place which itself was causing terrible numbness.
My shoulder blades became incredibly tight and wedged together as though I was trying to get them to touch which in turn was also causing more pressure on my head.

I did not know what to think I was so paralyzed with fear and then I started noticing the most terrible thing of all, this sensation of anxiety about my gait and sense of space as though there was no floor beneath me.
Although I could feel it , it felt unstable almost as though it were made of some material that was weak or might collapse .
I tried to make my way back to the car to sit down and found to my horror that this wasn't just an anxiety but that my whole body and leg itself felt like it was suddenly dropping every time I stepped.

The base of head where their had been tension on just one side felt like it was almost being thrown back against my neck and the tension that has been more irritant had become almost force that was pulling other areas of my body , namely my head.

Though all of this was terrifying it was the dropping sensation that unnerved me the worse for there was no way I could relate to it or explain in rational terms other than comparing it to the sense of fear you'd get from walking down stairway at night and the next step not being where you think it should be.

03 Post NCR - US / HOME

Having become progressively worse now and without any idea of what had happened other than its someone how being connected to my walking and ability to stand I spent the next 3 months crawling or in bed. With nowhere to stay or no means to hide I knew I was open prey for all those who were more interested in finding an easier / rational excuse to these anomalies and I'd been left with, which itself was frightening enough.
Like someone fighting for survival against something that felt like I had been reborn in nightmare I took to addressing it the only means I knew how.

03 Self treatment - Home

Without any form of help available or cash flow to return to the US for treatments I set about trying to treat myself using my knowledge of Prolotherapy. The treatment itself was learning process having never tried anything of this sort before meant it had its ups and down with surprisingly the few setbacks.

03 Admittance - Mental Institute
Though it had taken forbearance on my part to avoid the temptation to compromise any progress made by attempting to walk to early and undo the culmination effect of my treatment I was getting increasing pressure to do so from others who were misinterpting my caution as something else lead to doctors being called in.

Having already refused to believe any of the other prior symptoms I had , had such as gastritis I was reluctant to accommodate them for fear of being persecuted . Instead they sent a psychologist in ( who posing as someone else )who fooled me into thinking he would help but instead had me transported ( unknowingly ) at that time to nearest Mental Institute . There I remained for a year and crippled even further by being held against my freedom using a section and the required me to walk.

It was one of the most terrifying experiences of my life though somehow the therapy I had done enabled me to get through those times I was required to put on a show, but not without a relapse of these gait and dropping sensations in the process.

[bopes]

Maybe you should sue Nick Bolleteri. :)

[willoweyes]

Here is a saying, often heard in Southern Oklahoma, that helps to put things in perspective:

"When youve got a mad daddy with a semi-automatic weapon after you, problems with [insert the bugaboo being discussed here] don't seem so big."

[Isaiah Mpski]

Dear K,
I recently saw a patient similar to you.He was a well known professional baseball player and had gone through some of the same treatments as you.

My advice-other than chelating-was to spend as much time on the golf course as possible.

Dr John D. Son MD,ND,NMD,psychiatrist pro se.

[craazyman]

that is quite a story, kkk, if it is true.

I am not a physician but I would suggest that you might explore some sort of bioenergy healing therapy under the theory that you might have some bad energy imbalances that could be treated and this might offer symptom relief and a doorway to healing.

This stuff is not quackery with the right person.

Check out a book called "The Uncommon Touch" by Tom Harpur. Well regarded Qi Gong therapists might help too, it's the same principle.

[Isaiah Mpski]

He or she said they were out of money CM.

[kinkaka]

Dear K,
I recently saw a patient similar to you.He was a well known professional baseball player and had gone through some of the same treatments as you.

My advice-other than chelating-was to spend as much time on the golf course as possible.

Dr John D. Son MD,ND,NMD,psychiatrist pro se.

Ive never heard that metaphor before , what do you mean ?

[Isaiah Mpski]

As long as you have good karma you will live life over and over until you get it right.
The better you work with karma the faster you reach a climax at the top of our pyramid.

Thus,morals,ethic,truths become all the more important as we approach our next lesson in Cosmic Consciousness.

Chelation is the process of removing heavy metals and other toxic products produced in our modern societyand which cause disease at several levels.

Google ACAM.Chelation(IV chelation works much faster than oral).

[kinkaka]

that is quite a story, kkk, if it is true.

I am not a physician but I would suggest that you might explore some sort of bioenergy healing therapy under the theory that you might have some bad energy imbalances that could be treated and this might offer symptom relief and a doorway to healing.

This stuff is not quackery with the right person.

Check out a book called "The Uncommon Touch" by Tom Harpur. Well regarded Qi Gong therapists might help too, it's the same principle.

i looked at Qi Gong but i couldnt do it , the therapy i developed myself that i used on my joints is so hard wired into my connective tissue that any thoughts I use to conectrate on ideas similiar start influencing and affecting my body in ways I cant control.

Its the same with lots of things , all i have to do is think a direction and its replaying across my connective tissue because its something I am doing all the time , every second now instinctively to counter the strains , pulls so on that plays out.

I also tried cranial sacral and kinesiology and it screwed me up terribly ( literally )

Up until 2005 I was on the right track then this idiot did some occupit amongst others things on Jan 06 that has seen me on low , more symptoms and problems including loss of smell.

My body is very sensitive not just to vibrations that destablise the joints ( even car engine ) but also energy medicine.

http://www.kinesiologyscotland.com/cakephotob.jpg

That guy on the far left leering , is good part of the reason I cant even use crutches to walk now .

I told him to stay away from my head and trusted him but like most folk he obviously didnt take me seriously and took advantage of that trust.

Up till then I had just spent 3 gruelling months and was in very good place for once , and now , as I said, more problems had come about as result of trying to undo what that idiot did.

I dont have any comeback as in the end its just my word against his but rest assured I know what the fuck Id like to do with him ,he stole all my hope, and as you can see , seems to be having his cake.

[kinkaka]

As long as you have good karma you will live life over and over until you get it right.
The better you work with karma the faster you reach a climax at the top of our pyramid.

Thus,morals,ethic,truths become all the more important as we approach our next lesson in Cosmic Consciousness.

Chelation is the process of removing heavy metals and other toxic products produced in our modern societyand which cause disease at several levels.

Google ACAM.Chelation(IV chelation works much faster than oral).

I tried the karma route , but there are so many variations of it within itself its hard to take seriously , esp when I my level of suffering or approaches havent had any influence on changing how others approach me in my hour of need.

( Doctors ,scientists, family - hell even folk on fourms the list goes on )

As for IV I tired it onece and had mixed feelings on it , I had hydrogen peroxide and it seemed like it helped, but Im not sure ( it wasnt obvious at time ) and its not something I can find done in many places esp here .

I did consider just buying some foodgrade stuff from us and doing it here but I at this point Im not sure what difference it would make any way.

The best thing that would help me is anaesthetic for the injections I have to do , but of course thats going to happen unless I find hard up doc or chemist somewhere.

[willoweyes]

this thread reminds me of the divine parable once quoted by the sainted Chris Rock:

"Folks around me, they arguing about whether a brother ought to eat red meat or white meat. I tell them, this brother is grateful when he got ANY meat. Except green meat--now that's the only kind you should not be eating."

[craazyman]

yeah I never bought into the kinesiology stuff either. pure quackery, imho.

[kinkaka]

yeah I never bought into the kinesiology stuff either. pure quackery, imho.

I dont think its quackery in terms of inflencing things, I just dont think they understand it as well as they think they do hence why I had the problems I did as result of that treatment ( this is where science in a sincere approach could come in with the right technology )

The problem with lot of " alternative " treatments are they are indefinite i.e. may cause this or that but no gurantees , hence no way to control or determine whats really going on .

Thats fine up to a degree and especially if your body is not as comprimised as mine but it just furtherns the gap between science and spirituality as it were and ultimately closes more doors when it comes to providing evidence .

The very same evidence I cant prove because of the reputation this and other treatments and the general spirituality community have i.e. angels , love n light etc and as result just gets frowned on.

Its not wrong to use this as reference point if it helps to achieve result but expecting someone like scientist to take it on board therefore prove it is impossible, and something most spiritual folk ironically are quite materialistic about it and egocentric i.e. its their loss or they dont get it .

Just because you believe it means nothing to science and just because science cant prove something they cant duplicate without the demand that isnt there means nothing as well.

Both sides win but we all lose..

One of the prolotherapists I saw used it to determine which areas to inject , on more than one occassion ( after some years building up a love / hate relationship ) he told me he wanst getting the same feedback from his kinesiology as i was from my body .

Eventually and not without a protest he would inject where I instructed only to find afterards that the same testing confirmed I was right .

I think after a while in amused sort of way I became a novelty for him hence the love aspect I referred too.

My mind is so hardwired as I said to detect any disturbances that might lead to greater problems its become a double edged sword at times , though without it I cant imagine how much worse Id probably be considerably worse now.

[Isaiah Mpski]

I guarantee the positive results of chelation.

[kinkaka]

I am writing this out any for a website I am currently trying to do i.e. to get attention brought to my plight as it were.

heres some more of my story or timeline if you will for any one interested.


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04 Entheogens - Home

While in care I read a book by Robert Anton Wilson that caught my attention by suggesting there might be ways of using Entheogens to heal and even evolve or open up " new abilities ".

This was based on Timothy Learys 8 brain circuit and it interested me greatly, not just to potentially help me but also a great friend I had made and still have to this day called Matt.

The drugs hed been forced feed has severely dampened and dulled his awareness of most things including life and I thought using this might allow him to get enough of glimpse behind the curtain to motivate him in the same way my prior experiences in 96 - 98 had affected me.
Of there were risks involved and as Id never used any drugs myself it was quite challenge putting aside my beliefs , misconceptions and fears.
I'm not sure if I could of done had it solely been for me but the connection I had with Matt was unlike any other person I'd ever meet and I was willingly to do anything I could to help him.


04 Entheogens - First Trip , Home

At the time Mushrooms were still legal to obtain and so getting hold of them wasn't problem though I did my best to make sure I knew what I was getting into by consulting with others and their accounts.
Depending on how the trip went I would try to get an idea of how safe it would be for Matt, as it turned it out I it was myself that was in for a surprise.


04 Intra-cranial Injections , Florida

Towards the end of 03 while still in care I managed to find out about another form of injection that used the same concept of healing as Prolotherpay .

Once I was discharged in early 04 I went to Florida to meet one of 4 doctors I ( In the world ) who was capable of doing this and successfully began addressing some of the terrible setback the enforced walking while in care had put on my joints.

This process did not prove to be the as effective as id initially hoped in fixing everything but it did set in the right direction, and perhaps more importantly for the first time gave me hope .

The only problem was it was involved getting needles ( 3" ) injected throught he sutures in my skull .


05 Crutches , Home / US

A relapse in early 05 had me taking precautions to avoid further damage and so I decided to start to using crutches thinking it would accelerate the healing by taking the strain and pressure off the joints.
The cranial injections / Prolotherpay proved much more effective when I went back again that year and as result I felt my mood shift considerably , not unlike being on permanent high .


05 Nov More problems revealed , Home

In spite of the 2 years of treatments I'd had it was still obvious that there was something still wrong with groin / thigh area that made it impossible for me to bend over and tie shoes or put on socks.

In attempt to see if I could strengthen this using core exercises I did some light sit ups using assistance ( I used to hold the school record for sit-ups ) but now I could barely do one without my stomach , groin area slipping down and compromising / putting more pressure on my nose and face.
For while I thought perhaps it might be even be hernia though the sense of it slipping and putting more pressure on other areas ( esp the sense of it twisting round my knees ) as it became compromised had me thinking otherwise.

In fact the only other time I had felt that similar sensation of movement been through through the Prolotherpay all be it with the tissue tightening and lifting , creating this spiral sensation the opposite direction from where it was now dropping.


06 Nov Kinesiologist , Jim Currie Glasgow ,uk

I went to see Kinesiolgist for help dealing with some other issues had occurred some time ago and taken their toll over the years and instead ended up making what is perhaps the second worst decision of my life next to getting NCR .

The result of this treatment left me frustrated and terribly distressed given the headway and progress I had made, so much so I headed back to the US that year far earlier to see what I could.


06 Fed Prolotherapy , US

My worst fears were realized when , unlike the last time , the Prolotherpay proved ineffective in restoring things .

I knew then as I had sensed at the time and from his description that he had somehow compromised the skull and the very area I told him not to touch ,and I felt almost sick with thought.

So much efforts and other events I have not mentioned here had occurred within that timeframe of two years I did not think it was emotionally possibly for me to effectively unwind myself and restart again .
Even if it were possibly for me to do that in order to systematically retrace things just to find out what had happened I would still need to repeat everything all over again , without , perhaps even the same success or other mishaps and problems in the process.

It seemed a no win situation, and for the first time since I started trying to battle my health I started to have terrible doubt.


06 Cranial Sacral Therapy, Home

With no ideas what to do I decided to go to cranial sacral therapist I'd being seeing locally whom had been helping to alleviate some of the neuropathy I suffered from in my legs.

At the time I was quite happy to leave it at that arrangement , but after hearing what had happened suggested she could try to address my cranium directly rather than through the sacrum as she had been , instead however , I encountered more complications, though perhaps it was already lost cause.



06 Post Cranial Sacral , Home

After failing to make any headway at all using other ideas it seemed the only thing that would help would be trying to replicate the same formula that I had used in 05 i.e. by going to get intra cranial shots so as to influence the rest of the body and working from the top down.
Up until then I spent most of the time trying to undo / unwind as it were the imbalances in my system incase they affected the intra cranial injections I had planned.
Although the intra cranial shots had been the presucor to the progress I had over the last two years, I wasn't t very comfortable with how they would react to this newer problem given I had no way of understanding or getting some sort of mental feedback as to where things were.
This has always been the case in the past and was a good part of why I was able to " call the shots " when receiving injections i.e. so I knew exactly how they affected me and how improvise or plan ahead, but that was not this case this time.

06 Jul Intra Cranial Injections , US

Two years of prior success was really the only plus I had to take with me as I set off knowing the precarious position I was in , after the intra cranial treatment that hadn't changed .
Perhaps the fact I had so much doubt going in not knowing , was something of indication of the extent of my problem and my body warning me but I took what I thought was perhaps a reasonable chance and instead ended up with my face once again being compromised and seemingly twisted to one side.
I do not blame the doctor for this , for he did what he was meant to do , and had no means to really tell either how his shot would of affected me , usually that was up to me but of course , as you now know , my friend back in Glasgow Jim Currie saw to that.


06 Aug Prolotherapy , US

Having failed with the initial plan I relocated elsewhere to bode my time and see what I could come up with . The idea of trying the hydrogen peroxide IV again crossed my mind given it seemed to be precursor to the changes of 05 but the only place available where I had , had it done ( Caring Medical ) had discontinued with it.

While staying with a friend, if you could call him that , whom I had helped through a crisis in 05 ( Steve ) I used the library computers to try to look at other options and once again considered the idea of trying Entheogens to help me.

One one of these Entheogens, or rather a brew of them , had, had accounts of seemingly causing miraculous healing in some cases , and the idea of trying it had interested me for some time.

Although all my experiences with Entheogens hadn't been as uncomplicated as I would of wished for ,there were certainly common themes that I noticed that had occurred that might , if anything , allow me to gain a different perspective on how tackle things and so I decided to go to Peru.


06 Sept Iquitos , Peru ,US

I arrived in Iquitos having taken a flight from where I had been staying in Lima- this was by no means an easy journey given I did not speak any Spanish at all but I was lucky enough to come across a few Peruvians who spoke English - no doubt to accommodate the other tourists who flocked there.

Iquitos in particular had large reputation with the Shaman community as it held conference there yearly and so , as result , it was not short short of few gringo influences , in spite of its poverty, along the way.

One of these places was the yellow rose bar which had become a meeting point for people interested in finding curdos , or shaman to lead them in Ayahuasca ceremonies, as I had already taken the liberty of making provisions through a contact ( Tom Gorman ) this , was not a problem.
What I hadn't taken into consideration though was how badly the transport and roads was going to affect my joints.

The journey itself from the airport alone into town on the bike , requiring me to perform emergency treatment once I eventually reached my hotel. The shaman I meet was surprisingly far younger than I expected which made me wonder how authentic he was ( I estimated no older than 40 at least ) and just happened to be sporting what appeared to be a newish looking yellow kawasaki motorbike as his means of transport .

Compared to the rest of the scenery and poverty , this looked very surreal , and cast me in some doubt as to whether he was even a shaman a " real " shaman at all.

Though I was undeniably prone to the same misconceptions as any one else , I knew it was unlikely I was going to find any cudaro or guides that could take me there for the price I had been offered by this one .

His lodge, unlike some of the other his lodges which required days to get there , not including the journey through the jungle ( a tough task in itself given the undergrowth and my crutches ) was located only 10 miles outside of Iquitos and given my complications made it far more appealing.

When it came time to travel out to the lodge the following day , after agreeing on prices , which included funding the whole expedition including, travle and food , something I wasn't made aware of until I arrived in Iquitios, the tally came to far more than I had expected , and my again I started to feel an air of doubt and disappoint .

This was not because of the cost so much as the deceit in used to acquire them i.e. in a running pay as you go scenario that had me wondering what else , or other costs they might throw in along the way .

Had I not been bigger , a male I might of been so daring to go with them alone and so I decided to let them assume I had broken leg / foot rather than than reveal just how compromised I really was, not just as guise of self deference but to also test the shamans abilities to pick up on my problems.

06 Ayahuasca Ceremony , Amazon Lodge , Peru

The day after I arrived in IQuitos I meet up again with and my guide to collect and get provisions for the ceremony , which would take place and waited inside the ( rapido ) or speedboat we were chartering for more people to arrive.

The water was unsurprisingly dirty and and starved looking dogs flocked the docks looking for scraps while fighting over any that just happened to appear, it was comedy to pass the time but a sad one at that, and one that did not help erase any moods or doubts about what I was doing or how it would end.
As the engine started and we took of I was once again forced to squirm uncomfortably from the sheer power of the engine ( even at the front where i was sitting ) and the impact of the vibrations on my joints, when we moved it only got worse and I was surprised to find myself not only battling the boat but the waves from the river itself which crashed over the side of the boat.
Having spent what felt like a good 35 mins sitting on my hands and trying to tense my legs any conceivable way I could imagine to counter the vibrations we eventually arrived at our stopping point which was no more than steep muddy bank with high steps leading - more problems.

With the help of my shaman who supported me from behind , I managed to eventually make it up the steps ,even though my crutches had almost been pulled out of my hands from the mud sucking them down.
The rest of the way was mostly cleared though nonetheless slippy as result of the dew / moistness that had gathered across the wooden planks and stones along the way making it an effort in concentration to get there.
Vines too proved to be problem and got hooked as result of the screws on my crutches .

When we arrived at the lodge , which was quite large and covered in mosquito nets , we sat down , ate , and went over the ceremony.
The shaman himself had already pre-pared most of the ayahuasca but had to leave to find some something else leaving me to talk with the guide and his own experiences .

When it came time to take ayahuasca the Shaman had changed from his shorts and shirts into more official garb and was smoking tobacco .
I was told that this was way of protecting ourselves from other bad spirits and over shaman who had ulterior motives to disrupt our plans .

On the bench he had pot which he pored from into smaller dish and took .
The substance inside had the same sort of gooey consistency to it I was familiar with from prior experiences though with red hue or tint to it.
The guide told me the red was from an added ingredient he put in to soften the blow / make it easier to drink given its taste , then he took it next - I was last.

The mixture didn't taste quite as bad as I expected and I managed to take nearly all of it in one attempt , something I certainly had never done before , when taking my own brews.

As it went down the Shaman started to chant and sing and I prepared myself for the terrible purging and sickness to follow - but it never came.
In fact apart from slight purging nothing came at all .

I was bemused as well as shocked given the historically accounts Id read of this brew and its nausea effects but I felt almost nothing .
The next shock came when I lay there waiting hoping to feel some sort of shift or change in my perceptions only to feel nothing at all.

Whether the guide was seeing anything or acting I couldn't tell , he didn't look that intoxicated , far less than ever a drunk for someone to have supposedly taken aya though he did talking and laughing as though he was trying to convince me he was .

Sadly , and not for the first time I went back to my room , half hoping that somehow this lack of response would change but it didn't .
On our return the next day , I had already made up my mind to leave and get the earliest flight back to Lima.

Not the first time I felt cheated, angry and altogether depressed that my efforts and trust in others had been taken advantage of ( Something others who I recounted my experince to , also agreed with )
Before I left the Shaman along with the guide meet up one final time and as request he asked if he could have some foreign money to add to his " collection ".

The idea that foreign money was of course worth lot more the Peruvian was not lost on me but I humored them any way and gave them some, no doubt to put towards his next flashy motorbike.

This was the end of my Amazonian adventure and attempt to evoke some miracle cure that has thus far evaded me .

After returning to the Loki Hostel in Lima for a while I returned back to the US.

[kinkaka]

I guarantee the positive results of chelation.

I tried something similiar it may , may not have helped - nowhere I know that does it here and my funds - esp given new accessories i need to buy given I have no assistance , arent great for travel , for that matter neither is my body..

[Isaiah Mpski]

I'm glad to see someone else using BOTH as a way to air personal problems and frustrations.

I vaguely remember you discussing your problems with us and I would not have recommended chelation unless I felt it would help you.
In our modern society,our food,water,and air are so full of toxins-heavy metals,pesticides etc that they cause considerable amount of problems with one's health.

Chelation is something that might or might not work.It always works.
Let me give you one example out of many.
When gasoline makers were forced to take the lead out of their product they simply replaced it with other metals-manganese-that causes Parkinson like symptoms and most likely Alzeheimers.Chelation is the only way to remove excess manganese from your body.
Yes,and remember you read it here first.Removing the lead from Gasoline and replacing it with manganese may be one of the main reasons for the Alzeheimers epidemic.:hmm:

Googlle John D. Son NMD,psychiatry.