Tricksters , Frauds , Liars and Thieves

[kinkaka]

Last year I had the pleasure of talking to Ross Heaven whom styles himself as being an advisor on " love " and " fear ".

Here are some of the love/ly words that this master of love likes to use when challanged about his authencticity.

Note Mr Heaven likes to promote books to overcome fear ,such as one below, while clearly using it as an excuse to overcome his own ultimate fear i.e. money.

Below you can see some links to his many accomplishments , and after that below the line , his response to my original email.


Amora: The London Academy of Sex and Relationships

I am working with Amora as spiritual advisor on love, relationships, and ‘the shamanic Way of Love’. The Academy opened on April 18 this year and tickets are now available at www.amoralondon.com or via the Ticket line on 0871 230 9876. For workshops on the spirituality of love, see http://www.thefourgates.com/love.html and
http://www.thefourgates.com/simplelove.html

Lightworks. The Spiritual Practices of the Ninja. An excerpt from my book of the same name, on techniques for overcoming fear. Also online at http://www.lightworks.com/MonthlyAspectarian/2006/April/feature1.html

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An interesting point of view. i wonder exactly what you believe to be free -
two weeks accommodation and food in the jungle, perhaps? Or attendance on a
workshop by which i earn my living and feed my children?

An interesting view, indeed! But not so interesting that i give much of a
fuck what you think, so don't trouble yourself to write back.

You're off the mailing list as of now, though you're welcome to join it
again, of course, any time you grow up and get your head straight.

'Exploiting knowledge'?

The only knowledge i am exploiting is my own. Do you mean i have no right,
then, to teach what i have spent 20 years learning myself? Maybe your school
teachers (if you had any) have no rights to earn a living by their
profession either, even though they may have benefited you in some small way
through your education?

Or perhaps you mean that in your job you do not 'exploit' your education and
training and, furthermore, offer your employers your services for free? You
will earn a little of my respect for your views if you tell me you are not
paid in your job but do it only for love, or that, if you do not work, you
are not claiming benefits or taking hand-outs from your mother, father, or
others, but living off air and rainwater. But i doubt you can do that.

Or do you mean that i am exploiting the knowledge of others by, perhaps,
running trips to the Amazon and thereby 'raping and pillaging the innocent
jungle savages'? - because, of course, they do not need the money to feed
their children or themselves in your world of fantasy shamans. i suggest for
your education that you try to meet a shaman one day rather than preaching
to me about what they do and don't do when i have spent 20 years working
with them and therefore have some idea.

Or do you mean that charging people who travel to the Amazon for their food,
accommodation, and to pay the shamans for their services is wrong? Again,
please direct me to a website - Thomsons Travel, perhaps - which offers
holidays for free for all.

i think what you actually mean is that ( :eek: ) is too valuable to the
universe for him to have to pay his way and that the cosmos - and all of us
here on Earth as well - should make an exception for you and provide you
with our love and service completely free of charge - perhaps as your mother
does now, while bearing the cost herself.

Actually, i don't give a fuck what you think because it's clearly a crock
and un-thought-through.

You are, i'm afraid, a moron - no less so since i asked you not to write
back and you, having done so have now re-added your name to my mailing list
through automatic capture.

So, having asked for your name to be removed (which i took the time to do as
a courtesy, despite your rudeness and ignorance) you've just added yourself
back on. And i'm fucked if i'm wasting more of my time taking you off it
again, so expect lots of further emails, you asshole.

Now fuck off. You're dismissed and henceforth on 'ignore'. Go bother your
mommy for pocket money.


Blessings, ross

[bopes]

is today "whack a guru" day or something? :)

[kinkaka]

is today "whack a guru" day or something? :)

How can you whack a Guru so full of love ?

[suebee]

what was your original email?

[kinkaka]

what was your original email?

I dont have it , I just basically said he was cashing in on knowledge which others had found before him and went awol .

Behind every reason is an excuse ..

He still spams me his newsletters even after blocking his address.

[bopes]

Gotta like the way he signed off: "Blessings, ross"!!

[drew hempel]

Here's my consolation prize:

Actually Gurdjieff did this -- it's described in Colin Wilson's book "The Occult." Apparently you don't sit in full-lotus all day. haha.

Last summer I went 3 days without being hungry yet never eating food -- just living off "O at a Ds." Pretty wild.

The farthest "O at a D" I've done is a block away. In that case it was the drunk homeless Native American lady. We met at the bus stop where I was sitting in full-lotus. We had a couple climaxes together and then she walked off. A block away she looked back into my eyes. When the eyes have direct line up that's the best transmission. I immediately soaked up her SADNESS which amazed me and then shot bliss into her.

So it's an exchange of the lower electrochemical energy -- sadness, lust, fear, worry, anger -- for "love-light" or "bliss-light" -- it's orgasmic energy but it's through the third eye so there's a purity to it. Hard to explain.

Anyway like I said -- the diet is the hardest part. But we just keep sitting in full-lotus and see what happens.

For example the energy will get pulled out of me - soaked up by someone else -- without me knowing where it's being soaked from, until I look up and around. Then I can focus the energy with my eyes -- but it's the pineal gland shooting it out.

One time there was this homeless drunk Native American male -- lots of anger. I picked it up immediately -- my liver literally started burning hot, which surprised me. First time that happened through an energy exchange.

So I was sitting in full-lotus at B.K. -- where I've done so for the past year or so. Anyway he was trying to accost me but it was amazing -- the love-light literally stopped him in his tracks --- stopped his MIND! So he turns around to sit down. I keep shooting energy at him -- or he's soaking it up. He gets his food and on the way back I shoot more energy at him and then he just comes up to me -- without any sort of greeting -- and just says

"thanks" -- with real heart energy. It was wild. I called that a night.

So the energy exchanges vary -- one time there was this huge homeless African-American closeted gay dude who sat at my booth -- drugged up on something. I was at McDs at that time. haha. Anyway that got a bit dangerous since he had something of an exorcism. haha. Well so it goes.

To say that modern males are "retards" because they can't have multiple interal orgasms in public would be mean but my inclination is that females think this about males. haha.

[willoweyes]

drew, that post was a work of art. You could go down with the best of the beat poets and not be embarrassed by your stream of conciousness.

I say this with the greatest reverence.

And now for you, Kinky.

Did you bother to send a picture of yourself with your initial inflammatory post to the above dissed Guru?

I thought not.

Do you suppose Mozart sat around moping and whining, "My great talent is ONLY a GIFT OF God. Wah."

No, he REVELED in his music. He inhabited it. He lived it. With all the passion in his soul.

So should it be with your great beauty, Kinky.

[bopes]

one of the things that struck me about kinkaka's initial post (other than the apparent irony of the love-guru's hostility) is the question of why we take offense at the commodification of matters of the spirit.

This is something addressed by Charles Eisenstein's essay (http://www.realitysandwich.com/money_a_new_beginning#new) that I previously linked to in another thread. Here's another quote:

In an attempt to compensate for our lost sense of beingness, we transfer it to possessions and particularly to money, setting the stage for disaster. How? Because money (bearing interest) is an outright lie, encoding a false promise of imperishability and eternal growth. Identified with self, money and its associated "assets" suggest that if we stay in control of it, the self might be maintained forever, impervious to the rest of the cycle that follows growth: decay, death, and rebirth.

Obviously, there is a problem when something that does not decay but only grows, forever, exponentially, is linked to commodities which do not share this property. The only possible result is that these other commodities -- social, cultural, natural, and spiritual capital -- will eventually be exhausted in the frantic, hopeless attempt to redeem the ultimately fraudulent promise inherent in money with interest.

They are almost exhausted already. What more of community or of nature can we still commoditize, before the very basis of life and sanity crumbles? All of today's crises originate in the conversion of natural, social, cultural, and spiritual capital into money. Yet even usury is not the deepest root. It is not an accidental feature of our system that, if only someone had made a wiser choice, could be different. It is implicit in our Newtonian-Cartesian cosmology in which, by definition, more for me is less for you. As this cosmology rapidly becomes obsolete, we can glimpse an emerging new money system embodying a very different conception of self and world. Until we transition to it, there is no hope that the current conversion of social, cultural, natural, and spiritual capital into money will ever abate. Under an interest-based money system, it is inevitable that we will cash in the earth.



I think I'll put Eisenstein's book "The Ascent of Humanity" on my summer reading list, along with Bernard Leitaer's "The Future of Money."

[Isaiah Mpski]

I pray everyday for an earthquake or an asteroid(or better yet) an ice age to set me free of what you speak.
Trust Bopes,Trust.
That is a key;along with faith and the feelings of the soul.

How now brown cow?How now?

With truth and faith,
justice,humility,Suebee,
And nanouk and Danna,
And 101 other wives I have yet to meat.:skeptic:

He haw:D .

[bopes]

Isaiah you're not responsible for that quake today in the midwest are you? :)

[kinkaka]

drew, that post was a work of art. You could go down with the best of the beat poets and not be embarrassed by your stream of conciousness.

I say this with the greatest reverence.

And now for you, Kinky.

Did you bother to send a picture of yourself with your initial inflammatory post to the above dissed Guru?

I thought not.

Do you suppose Mozart sat around moping and whining, "My great talent is ONLY a GIFT OF God. Wah."

No, he REVELED in his music. He inhabited it. He lived it. With all the passion in his soul.

So should it be with your great beauty, Kinky.

Whats beauty to a 12 " dick ?

That never stopped any one from fucking up the world...

[craazyman]

Whats beauty to a 12 " dick ?

Here you go kinkaka. The answer to your question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Origin-of-the-World.jpg

Boowahahahahahaha:p :p

[willoweyes]

believe--the Maker doesn't really respect those who simper around the edge of Its robes of fire--

In a dialogue with God is where some truth might be spied--not a monologue.

[willoweyes]

funny, that's just what Mozart said to his piano--"You don't really care about ME!! You'd twang for anyone's fingers!!"

[kinkaka]

believe--the Maker doesn't really respect those who simper around the edge of Its robes of fire--

In a dialogue with God is where some truth might be spied--not a monologue.

The maker doesnt need to respect anything.. :skeptic:

[drew hempel]

OK everyone put on these special specs:

http://www.ionraypolarized.com/Technology.aspx

[willoweyes]

No, the Maker doesn't NEED to respect anybody, but if the stories in the Old Testament have any relevance, it was those who argued and pleaded and bargained with G-d that were respected. It's funny, the G-d of the Old Testament always JUMPED at the opportunity to go along with someone's baser impulses. Like the time a bunch of bears were sent to devour some little kids who were mocking Elisha. I wonder how Elisha felt about that--it doesn't say in the Bible, but I hope he spent some sleepless nights hearing those poor little kids screaming, and I hope he meditated on the misuse of power.

But look at Lot arguing for the sinners of Sodom--there are countless examples in the Bible of righteous men trying to argue G-d out of some mayhem (S)He has planned. . . .

[craazyman]

Yes, he was reborn centuries later as John Locke after passing the maximum leader deprogramming course in the land beyond. And the bears met their fate when Daniel Boone passed through their patch of woods. The Lord is a little late sometimes, but always just.:)

[kinkaka]

No, the Maker doesn't NEED to respect anybody, but if the stories in the Old Testament have any relevance, it was those who argued and pleaded and bargained with G-d that were respected. It's funny, the G-d of the Old Testament always JUMPED at the opportunity to go along with someone's baser impulses. Like the time a bunch of bears were sent to devour some little kids who were mocking Elisha. I wonder how Elisha felt about that--it doesn't say in the Bible, but I hope he spent some sleepless nights hearing those poor little kids screaming, and I hope he meditated on the misuse of power.

But look at Lot arguing for the sinners of Sodom--there are countless examples in the Bible of righteous men trying to argue G-d out of some mayhem (S)He has planned. . . .

What about the tower of Babel ?

Its probably the only time we as humans got it right and were all on the same side before he cast it down and seperated us.