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forteanajones
09-18-2004, 02:51 PM
Link to article (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2002011657_birthmonth21.html)

Saturday, August 21, 2004, 12:00 A.M.

Doctors might soon ask, "What's your sign?"

By Erika Niedowski
The Baltimore Sun

Pisces (Feb. 19-March 20): Governed by Neptune and symbolized by the fish. Compassionate, introspective, artistic. Often dreamy and impractical. May be prone to schizophrenia, epilepsy or bipolar disorder.

It may sound like some kind of new, madcap astrology, but several scientists are becoming convinced that our birth month may predispose us to particular diseases.

Studies have shown that schizophrenia is more common among those born in late winter or early spring. Multiple sclerosis is associated with births in April, May and June. And epilepsy occurs more frequently in those with birthdays from December to March.

The findings may seem whimsical or — depending on which month you eat cake and unwrap presents — alarming. But researchers hope the emerging patterns will offer clues into the origins of a variety of illnesses that, despite advances in treatment, have no known cause.

"It makes you think differently about disease," said Dr. Emmanuel Mignot, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Stanford University School of Medicine, who has studied the association between birth month and narcolepsy.

"Most people tend to think that disease is really something that is determined by your genes or what happens just before the disease occurs," he said. "Maybe there are a number of things that can happen well before."

In the latest study, published in the current edition of the journal Neurology, scientists at the National Cancer Institute found that adults born in January and February had the highest risk of brain cancer. Those with birthdays in July and August had the lowest risk.

The paper's lead author, NCI epidemiologist Alina Brenner, is the first to offer a caveat: The findings could be the result of chance.

But separate studies in Britain and Norway have identified a similar correlation between birth season and risk of brain tumors in children, with a statistical "excess" of births in winter and a "deficit" in summer.

If the association turns out to be real, Brenner said, it suggests that exposures early in a child's development — at any point from conception to the first few months after birth — could have a hand in the genesis of the disease. Although it's not clear what those exposures are, they could include viruses, environmental toxins or even something as seemingly benign as the weather.

Seasonal birth patterns have been most firmly established in schizophrenia patients. Danish researchers reported several years ago that the risk of developing the disorder was highest among those born in February and March and lowest among those with birthdays in August and September.

For his part, Dr. E. Fuller Torrey, research psychiatrist at the Uniformed Services University of Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., has ruled out the possibility that chance alone explains the findings.

"It could be chance if it were one study of 250 people, or a few dozen people here or a few dozen people there," he said. "When you're dealing with a couple hundred thousand people and 200 studies, the chances of it being chance are zero-point-zero. It's remarkably consistent."

The leading explanation implicates a seasonal infection that could be disturbing the child's normal brain development, which may help explain why other central-nervous-system disorders also are more common in those with winter births.

"We know that infectious agents have a seasonality — influenza being the most striking," Torrey said. "Therefore, you certainly have to think of infectious agents infecting the mother late in pregnancy or infecting the newborn in the first few months of life."

Stanford's Mignot and a group of colleagues from France published a paper in the journal Sleep last year linking birth month with another disorder: narcolepsy. Patients with that condition are regularly seized with sleep during waking hours.

Researchers compared the birth dates of 886 narcoleptics being treated at sleep clinics in Montpellier, France; Montreal, and California to those of more than 35 million people in the general population.

The distribution of births was strikingly uneven, with the number of narcoleptics born in March (11.9 percent) significantly exceeding the number expected in the general population (8.5 percent).

Conversely, researchers found a significant drop in the number of narcoleptics born in September (5.6 percent) compared with the number normally expected (8.7 percent).

Copyright © 2004 The Seattle Times Company

Manning
09-18-2004, 07:40 PM
Here's a related link: Disease in Season (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Living/US/disease_month_040203-1.html) That site includes a pop-up that will categorize disease by month of birth.

[ December 31, 2004, 12:10 AM: Message edited by: Manning ]

daniel
09-19-2004, 04:35 AM
definitely it would be interesting to see this developed further.

Stan Grof did research on people who had traumatic or overwhelmingly intense psychedelic experiences, and found that these events usually correlated with planets in transit in their chart.

michael heany
09-19-2004, 12:23 PM
My birthday is in Feb., and I've had shamanistic/schizophrenic episodes too...

MORF
09-19-2004, 09:36 PM
Looks like the winter children, like myself, are in for the worst treat. I too have had experiences of another world so to speak but I'd think most people on these boards have.

Originally posted by forteanajones:
[i]Pisces (Feb. 19-March 20): Governed by Neptune and symbolized by the fish. Compassionate, introspective, artistic. Often dreamy and impractical. May be prone to schizophrenia, epilepsy or bipolar disorder.
I read in another study that pisces should actually be more prone to becoming drug addicts than other signs. Possibly, due to their dreamy nature, they get more caught up the experiences on drugs. I'll see if I can find the article somewhere on the web.

Katie
09-20-2004, 08:17 AM
Yes, Pisceans, people with many planets in Pisces and people with challenging Neptune aspects are very prone to addicition. This is because of the different octaves of expression of the neptunian energy. Neptune is an energy that when accesses at it's lower levels manifests as escapism from reality. Neptunian people find reality harsh. And drugs and booze can make that reality softer around the edges.

The higher octave of Neptune is mysticism and Spirit. Drugs can open that doorway, hence many people becoming active on the Spiritual path via the drugs first. The drugs pierce the veil and through the veil a new reality is perceived, sometimes for the first time.

All planets have higher and lower levels of expression. Drug/alcohol addiction are expressions of an unevolved Neptune seeking to evolve. Most addicts are seekers that have no idea of what they are seeking - they just know that "what is" is not enough and not satisfying nor fullfilling. Through the bottoming out of the addiction often comes a deeper neptunian experience, a more mature spirituality.

On the illness issue: it is true that illness can be seen in the natal chart. There is a whole branch of astrology dedicated to medical and health issues. The health house in the chart is the sixth house, but there are many other health indicators in the natal chart. Astrology is also very good at giving ideas as to the possible underlying causes of illness. By looking at the planets and signs involved either natally or by transit, we can get an in idea of the psychospiritual causes or meanings of the illness- basically, what is the Soul trying to learn through this illness...

To predict all this stuff, it is always best to look at the whole chart...very difficult and often wrong to predict that a Pisces will be an addict or a schizophrenic just in virtue of their Sun sign. However if this Pisces person has a difficult Neptune placement and other planets in Pisces and other challenging aspect in the chart, then we might be inclined to think that this person is addiction prone.

Example. A person i know is a Taurus. However he has the Moon, Mars and Chiron in Pisces and Neptune opposite his Sun. This is a very neptunian person with a bad Neptune. He also has Moon opposite Pluto, so he is sitting on lots of unresolved emotions that need to be transformed. He has been addicted to alcohol most of his life. Another person i know is a Pisces. Their Neptune is trine Saturn, they have the Moon in Taurus and well aspected and there is no addicition problem.

Knowing about your own chart is really useful. There is so much information in one's chart and it can help so much to have the map of our psychological make up. To know more about your chart you can go to www.astro.com (http://www.astro.com) and click on free horoscopes. You can get your chart done here for free and they also list all your planets and house cusps. You can print your chart out and the list and then you can read the planets in signs descriptions in a good cookbook astrology text, such as " A Spiritual Approach to Astrology" by Myrna Lofthus or "Do it yourself astrology" by Lyn Birkbeck. Howards Sasportas is excellent for books on Houses and Transits. Sue Tompkins for a book on planetary aspects. Any book by Stephen Arroyo for deeper insight once you have grasped the basics - especially "Astrology, Karma and Transformation".

michael heany
09-20-2004, 12:10 PM
Katie,

I don't know much about astrology but I had an experience recently that woke me up to the depth that's going on out there.

I talked to some guy at Burning Man who believed there were only 7 planets because he thought that was all we needed to explain human nature (or something like that).

(Also, Hegel had some strange idea that he had a proof for why there were only 7 planets)

My birthday is on the seventh, and by chance I ended up camping on Uranus street at Burning Man this year, the seventh planet. And the fact that the root chakra is "uranus" seemed to be a message to me to go more deeply into kundalini yoga, which I've been toying with lately. Also, 7 chakras...

Any thoughts?

Katie
09-20-2004, 02:01 PM
Hi Michael

I just wrote a whole blurb on this seven planets thing and then lost it...I'll try to sum it up briefly.

Seven planet astrology is carried out by people that still use medieval astrology and includes the planets up to Saturn + the Moon. Modern astrology goes all the way to Pluto and estoteric astrology adds another planet - Vulcan , to the mix, as well as Earth.

Astrology may be seen to follow a 12 vibration- 12 planets , 12 signs, 12 houses - with a 7 subtone - the medieval planets. The outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto can be left out, but in my opinion are the most important planets when entering higher consciousness. These are transpersonal energies and , although not always necessary in defining the personality, they are fundamental in delineating psychospiritual growth patterns.

The chakras- the parallel chakra to planets is not as simple as it seems. There is no 1-to-1 relationship between planets and chakras. Each chakra can be associated to various planetary energies. Also the chakra system is seven within the primary channel within the body. But there are chakras above and below the body and secondary chakras throughout the body. The chakras on the central channel are more important as they build the bridge of the antakarana, the bridge to the Soul. But know that there are chakras beyond the seventh that belong to the Soul bodies.

So, seven is good - in a way, the major components are within the seven, but just like in music, the seven major notes are ok for simple music. Add the semitones ( I can remember what these are called in english- the black notes on the piano) and the music becomes more interesting. The same with astrology and the chakras. The higher the consciousness, the more intricate and subtle the consciounsess's song...and you add more planets - notes- to the mix...

Hope this helps...

Katie
09-20-2004, 02:26 PM
Hi Manning

Scorpio Plutonians....transform or die. Pluto is the planet that rules the shadow, power, sex, death and transformation and rebirth.

Unevolved Pluto - criminality, control and manipulation, power over others. People that cannot handle the Pluto vibration can become obsessive about power, sex, death, manipulation or control. Pluto is very intense and it is very "from the depths of the psyche" kind of energy.

Evolved Pluto -People that have a good Pluto or that have mastered the pluto energy are good at handling the death and rebirth of form in their lives and they understand the trasmormative nature of creation. They can accept that it is time for a form to die and cut it off in one swift swipe and they move onto the next phase. Pluto is a deep planet and in an evolved person can create a capacity for great depth and introspection and a deep kind of psychicness - they can see the dark side, they can see through BS of all kinds, they are insightful as an eagle. And they can handle personal power very well.

Pluto transits always require that a part of us die to be reborn. Scorpionic people seem to be attuned to this kind of process, even if in an unevolved aspect, it might mean that they become the killer. Plutonians make good mafia bosses but also good depth psychologists, investigators and occultists...

If you are interested in this stuff read " astrology, karma and transformation" by S. Arroyo or "the outer planets" by Liz Green. The outer planets are very fascinating archetypal energies and we all carry them in our charts to a greater or lesser degree...they are really interesting ideas to explore...:)

Manning
09-21-2004, 08:41 PM
Katie: The chakras on the central channel are more important as they build the bridge of the antakarana, the bridge to the Soul.

Antahkarana -- The Rainbow Bridge (http://www.innerdynamic.com/antahkarana.htm)

[ December 31, 2004, 12:11 AM: Message edited by: Manning ]

Katie
09-22-2004, 06:29 AM
Interesting link Manning. I have saved it. His exaplanation of the antakarana is exactly as i understand it and, by browsing around on his website, I can see that he has a very similar background to mine. The astrology he practices is from the "Ageless Wsidom " tradition, a set of teachings that goes well beyond astrology into esoteric knowledge of all kinds. The concept of Soul/Personality bridge and the dynamics between these two poles of expression of the being are central to this approach.

I wanted to add one thing on the Plutonian stuff I wrote the other day. I was thinking in terms of psychological distrurbances of plutonians - like the neptunians seem to be addicts, what happens to the plutonians. I think Manning that was what you were really asking about. I think Plutonians can experience breakdowns of the psyche. I think things like Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Dissociation, Obsessions, nightmares can be considered mental issues associated with these energies. Often people with difficult Pluto aspects in their charts have trauma in their childhood that might create a need to re-examine and rebirth oneself in adult life. The plutonian principle of death and regenration can apply to the psyche in the sense that the person can experience what would be called " dark nights of the Soul", initiatory expereinces through an often traumatic psychological crisis that could be described as a psychic death. The best kind of therapy for Plutonians is experiential and cathartic.

Ok, thats enough of me rambling on about astrology for now...

michael heany
09-22-2004, 07:08 AM
Katie,

I'm really interested in your ideas, and it seems like I'm moving towards some understandings that you have already gone through.

Can you recommend some books? Astrology is interesting to me.

I'm interested in the kundalini yoga and the chakras et al.

I'm actually got a book in mind myself. I think I have a may of presenting these ideas in a more contemporary language. I'm grasping at this point, but something tells me to go ahead...

sire_012
09-22-2004, 12:16 PM
if you have an interest in kundalini yoga i would reccomend going to the 3HO site at http://www.3ho.org

this will give you lists of instructors in your area, kriyas you can download and do on your own, as well as Yogi Bajhan pretty remarkable system of numerology wehre based upon your birthdate you dynamically get a kriya prescribed to you to help strengthen any of the 10 bodies of yours which might be weakend due to planetary influence.

i say this with no hesitation, kundalini yoga is the most powerful system of head change technologies i have ever worked with. i have been practicing it for about a year and a half and the changes which have occured in my life have been monumental. obviously there have been other influences too from entheogens to friends to planetary influences, though i have strong inclinations to believe that the kundalini yoga has been a vital role.

"communication is the art of creating heaven in the future." yogi bajhan

enjoy your investigations!

michael heany
09-22-2004, 03:28 PM
Kundalini brought me home.

The chakras, all that stuff, just believe it!Then when you get there, you'll look back and say "Oh, so those chakras were imaginary? Well, I like imagination then!"

Doing is believing, as they say...

Katie
09-23-2004, 09:06 AM
Micheal

for astrology books - look at my previous posts, I suggested a few. For books on chakras- my knowledge here is experiential, so I can't help you there. But the links posted by others here look very interesting - I am checking them out myself :)

michael heany
09-23-2004, 12:18 PM
Now the trick is to do my practice, and yet not take it too seriously! Do make it into a belief system; remember it's the imagination at work.

Basically I had an experience last night where it felt like my soul was about to come out of my head. I'm not familiar with the names of the various subtle bodies; that's something I want to look into.

Anyways, from my perspective, kundalini yoga is going to get a lot of people through this coming dimensional shift. It's an amazing technology that has appeared just in the nick of time.

Take it slow with that kundalini, though; when you get out of balance, you can end up in some scary spots. But the scary spots point you back to sanity, too...