sacha
04-26-2006, 05:49 PM
(Calved off from the thread "A survey: how many people here channel?" in the "Return of Quetzalcoatl" forum. That thread probably should have been in this forum, too.)
Hummer said:
In these realms, a voice or a messenger may seem to come from outside of you, but really it's a part of you that is presenting itself to yourself in whatever way that is most likely to get your attention.The actual illusion is that there is an "inside" you and "outside" you -- a dualistic choice between a source that is "not" you and a source that "is" you. This distinction ultimately has no meaning.
Is there a dualistic distinction between "you" and "me"? We are all aspects of a single field of consciousness, but we are also individuals with distinct points of view. It is the fact that we are distinct experiential points of view within the One Consciousness -- the fact that the One Consciousness is experiencing the world in a different way through you and through me, and creating the world in a different way through you and through me -- that makes us distinct individuals.
Distinct -- but not separate. There are no boundary lines where you end and I begin; we all are centerpoints of awareness, but we all interflow with one another like ripples expanding on a pond.
We are continuously creating the three-dimensional world in which we appear to live through our ever-evolving consensus. It is created out of consciousness, the same way as dreams are. Yet the differences between the physical world and the dream world are obvious: the physical world is stable and consistent, the dream worlds change with our slightest thought; the physical world shows every evidence of continuing to exist when we are not present, the dream worlds disappear when we are not thinking about them; other people we meet in the physical world have their own experiential points of view, whereas most of the characters we meet in the dream world are not experiencing anything of their own. They are not experiential points of view, centerpoints of awareness the way our fellow beings are.
And that is the key to the difference -- our dreams are generated by our individual points of view and have no responsibility to be consistent with anyone else's experience, but the physical world is a consensus creation. I may be experiencing this board somewhat differently from you, but our experiences of it have to be consistent. A single thread can be blown in any direction, but a thread woven into a tapestry can not. And the tapestry continues to exist even without the presence of any given thread. The stability and consistency of the woven patterns create "natural laws" and a "world" that continues to exist even when we are not participating in it.
And it is not just humans who are participants in creating this consensus -- all beings, trees, microbes, atoms, they are all participants in weaving this stable and consistent world we know as "physical reality." You could dream about a flying tree tonight, but you would not see that in waking life, because your experience and the trees' patterns of experience have to be consistent.
This "physical reality" appears to be "outside" of us because that is how our senses project it. We think our senses are witnesses, but they are not -- they are co-creators.
So the point of all this is, there really is no "inside" or "outside" of us -- we are all part of a single field of consciousness, with no boundaries between us.
And right now, the One Consciousness is waking up and deciding to reset the rules of the game. That awakening is manifesting as individual awakenings, but it is actually the One Consciousness manifesting a new phase in the collective dream.
Anyway, when we channel, we are simply accessing another level of awareness. There are beings of "pure consciousness" that do not manifest in physical reality that can communicate with us at that level -- we may call them "spiritual beings" -- but we are spiritual beings too. We each exist at many different levels.
Some people like to debate whether channeled messages come from a "separate" entity or "only" from our "subconscious mind." That ultimately is meaningless. Channeled messages come from another level of awareness, a point of view that is different from our "everyday waking conscious mind" point of view.
You could call the source "your own self" or you could call it "a separate being." Either way, like an artist channeling inspiration into a work of art, your mind is still what is responsible for translating the untranslatable into some form that our "conscious" minds can apprehend. And it still comes from a point of view that is from another level.
Some channelings do, in my humble experience and interpretation, come from sources that are so profoundly distinct from our own centerpoints of awareness, even at the deepest levels, that their source could be justifiably said to be a "separate being." That can be a very powerful and potentially destabilizing experience. But the source is still not "outside" us, because there is no "inside" or "outside," once you move your focus away from the physical.
[ April 26, 2006, 06:57 PM: Message edited by: sacha ]
Hummer said:
In these realms, a voice or a messenger may seem to come from outside of you, but really it's a part of you that is presenting itself to yourself in whatever way that is most likely to get your attention.The actual illusion is that there is an "inside" you and "outside" you -- a dualistic choice between a source that is "not" you and a source that "is" you. This distinction ultimately has no meaning.
Is there a dualistic distinction between "you" and "me"? We are all aspects of a single field of consciousness, but we are also individuals with distinct points of view. It is the fact that we are distinct experiential points of view within the One Consciousness -- the fact that the One Consciousness is experiencing the world in a different way through you and through me, and creating the world in a different way through you and through me -- that makes us distinct individuals.
Distinct -- but not separate. There are no boundary lines where you end and I begin; we all are centerpoints of awareness, but we all interflow with one another like ripples expanding on a pond.
We are continuously creating the three-dimensional world in which we appear to live through our ever-evolving consensus. It is created out of consciousness, the same way as dreams are. Yet the differences between the physical world and the dream world are obvious: the physical world is stable and consistent, the dream worlds change with our slightest thought; the physical world shows every evidence of continuing to exist when we are not present, the dream worlds disappear when we are not thinking about them; other people we meet in the physical world have their own experiential points of view, whereas most of the characters we meet in the dream world are not experiencing anything of their own. They are not experiential points of view, centerpoints of awareness the way our fellow beings are.
And that is the key to the difference -- our dreams are generated by our individual points of view and have no responsibility to be consistent with anyone else's experience, but the physical world is a consensus creation. I may be experiencing this board somewhat differently from you, but our experiences of it have to be consistent. A single thread can be blown in any direction, but a thread woven into a tapestry can not. And the tapestry continues to exist even without the presence of any given thread. The stability and consistency of the woven patterns create "natural laws" and a "world" that continues to exist even when we are not participating in it.
And it is not just humans who are participants in creating this consensus -- all beings, trees, microbes, atoms, they are all participants in weaving this stable and consistent world we know as "physical reality." You could dream about a flying tree tonight, but you would not see that in waking life, because your experience and the trees' patterns of experience have to be consistent.
This "physical reality" appears to be "outside" of us because that is how our senses project it. We think our senses are witnesses, but they are not -- they are co-creators.
So the point of all this is, there really is no "inside" or "outside" of us -- we are all part of a single field of consciousness, with no boundaries between us.
And right now, the One Consciousness is waking up and deciding to reset the rules of the game. That awakening is manifesting as individual awakenings, but it is actually the One Consciousness manifesting a new phase in the collective dream.
Anyway, when we channel, we are simply accessing another level of awareness. There are beings of "pure consciousness" that do not manifest in physical reality that can communicate with us at that level -- we may call them "spiritual beings" -- but we are spiritual beings too. We each exist at many different levels.
Some people like to debate whether channeled messages come from a "separate" entity or "only" from our "subconscious mind." That ultimately is meaningless. Channeled messages come from another level of awareness, a point of view that is different from our "everyday waking conscious mind" point of view.
You could call the source "your own self" or you could call it "a separate being." Either way, like an artist channeling inspiration into a work of art, your mind is still what is responsible for translating the untranslatable into some form that our "conscious" minds can apprehend. And it still comes from a point of view that is from another level.
Some channelings do, in my humble experience and interpretation, come from sources that are so profoundly distinct from our own centerpoints of awareness, even at the deepest levels, that their source could be justifiably said to be a "separate being." That can be a very powerful and potentially destabilizing experience. But the source is still not "outside" us, because there is no "inside" or "outside," once you move your focus away from the physical.
[ April 26, 2006, 06:57 PM: Message edited by: sacha ]