So...what now?

[Aneurysm]

Disclaimer: I'm drunk

I just finished Pinchbeck's 2012: The return of Quetzalcoatl (before drinking), and have been left with mixed feelings.

On the one hand I do agree that something big is going on, and that things will get worse before they get better. On the other, for as balanced a viewpoint as Pinchbeck has, the work seems to suggest that only a select group will be able to transition to the "Fifth Earth" which sets off my red flags for New Age cults.

What it comes down to is that I do not deny meaningful dreams or experiences in altered states, but I still have a very "ivory tower" attitude when it comes to these ideas. I even realize that we really can't go anywhere but towards the uncharted waters of paradox logic, but realizing such a philosophy is something else altogether.

I mean I'm a fucking barista trying to make something of a career in film (not traditionally but through making subversive and intellectually engaging films). But if Pinchbeck is right and we're going to see the worst of all this in two years, and a complete cataclysmic shift in 6 years, then is there any point to me doing any of this?

Should I just abandon it all and try to learn some useful skills before the shit hits the fan, put a bullet in my brain, or what?

--Aneurysm

[Dna]

Before the 'fifth earth', chop wood and carry water.
After the 'fifth earth', chop wood and carry water.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Listen Aneuysm.This is what God wants you to do.
Call this number in the Seattle area and ask for Leslie.Ask Leslie to somehow work you in on the boat deal going in Rocky Point.Tell her Dr Son gave you the advice.I don't know for sure but being in Seattle you probably know something about the ocean or boats and the recent shift in the magnetic poles forcasts hurricanes and typhoons.
You have another alternative.You can come here,and do whatever you like as long as you will work the garden a bit,carry water(maybe walk on it),fish,hunt,and cut wood.If indeed you are an attorney I have some work in federal ct which you should be able to sorta give a final check on.
Lastly but not leastly I would like to make a movie about Q. Parker(who you raelly should read about).Have had success-a bit-with first book which I sold to a group of Scientolgists.They never did,as yet,come through with the promised money or job.Strange group of people overall those Scientolgists but as Mary used to say -"you can't fight city hall."
Also,when you get hold of Leslie ask her to remind her husband to send me a mailing address or a fax number.
I personally am going to try and enjoy my time between now and 2012 and that is going to take some money.
Several possibilities here but am definitely going to spend next jan-feb in Mexico or central america and the following spring spend a considerable amt of time in the mountains.
On third thought if you want Leslie's number send me a noote.
Also if you have followed any of my post I always point out a group on Yahoo where pictures of the farm are located.I bought this farm in part because Oral Roberts used to spend alot of time and he is rumored to have seen and spoken with Jesus here.I think if the "right "group would buy it and turn it into sometype of shrine-
That it might sale for consderable amout of money of which I would share with whoever was adding to it's present value either by donations or staying and working here.
Yahoo group PickOverFlow.Misc pictures.The federal line is being legislated to the shore line which will almost double the amount of land we own-

[ June 24, 2006, 03:57 AM: Message edited by: Isaiah Mpski ]

[Caprinardo Delirio]

exactly dna, paint me like a taoist gestalt-echo of non-belief, but the real-time&speed-of-life intervisionary hyperscroll of and with which you the synthesizer and your navigational score should conclude yourselves, is to the extend and depth just as critically cased by that which is the room of your view and the view from your room.

post-modern sci-fi philosophy is all too immaculate renderings of semiotic beings of trans-sensational order, breathed into birth by the transferring of local attention-logics, rejacked into the mainfeed of the monomythic image fetus for the godhead in whose dream the archangels' blood will be profit and whose reign will be aesthetics, it's war against the tao of matter vs. syntax, and the glory of the kingdom will be the morpho-probabilistic flickering of the meta-object of the subliminal mother sublime.

it's much too old-school socialist in the real sense....

[ June 25, 2006, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: Caprinardo Delirio ]

[enantiodromia23]

"Should I just abandon it all and try to learn some useful skills before the shit hits the fan, put a bullet in my brain, or what?"

You are not alone in asking yourself this question...

[Damien]

i'm close to throwing in the towel myself.

[Somantics]

Hello out there

I first came across ‘Breaking Open the Head’ through an excerpt in the Disinformation Book of Lies and since that first encounter nothing in my life has been the same. Although I’ve never used psychedelics (only a little weed) I have always been interested in aspects of consciousness, the natural of external reality etc etc and have read my way through McKenna, Steiner, Jung, Colin Wilson et al. Trouble is my world view has become so transformed that I cannot even bear to watch the news, look at adverts, listen to politicians speak or endure any of the myriad manipulations that anyone living in British society is daily subjected to. But strangely this is in no way a negative as these days I have an increasing appreciation for everything and everyone around me; it’s just that I know no one who shares my point of view on the nature of reality!

It used to be that when I smoked grass I would see beneath the social constructs and facades into a genuinely amusing and amazing deeper reality – these days I don’t even need grass…everything seems so much more ‘there’.I have an instinct of unfolding within and outside myself but cannot seem to ‘put my finger’ on what it is or what I should do.

I think this all started when I suffered a HUGE disillusionment (my illusion about living in a democracy being destroyed) upon the US and UK invasion of Iraq. I had been working for the Stop the War Coalition for a whole year prior to this and really felt that we could make a difference, that this society seemed to have turned the corner and was starting to reject war…silly me!

Anyway it feels like I’m out here in London alone on this - maybe that’s my path - but does anyone else relate to what I’ve said?

[Humming]

Wow, there is some real despair in this thread.

Has anyone ever heard the phrase that the night is darkest before dawn? The Kali Yuga is a hellish place in some ways, but at the same time, if you know how to pay attention, you can witness the divine light shining through the darkness.

So, you're disillusioned with society. The way things are seems totally insane and inhumane and impossible. This is all true.

But remember that it's your choice how you choose to react or emotionally experience this reality. Some people might feel utterly hopeless. Other people might be revitalized by the idea that they have the opportunity to do a lot of useful work in the world, by helping people. If your activism doesn't seem to work, then try exploring new realms of ways that you can change the world and shape it as you would like it to be.

You could ask yourself: what is my purpose here on the Earth? Why do I now exist? Why was all this space and energy from nature utilized to create me?

Personally, I think we all have a responsibility to the gift of our existence. That responsibility is that we should all focus our energies to discover and then live our purpose in life.

Maybe that means making the best, most engaging subversive film. Maybe that means starting a community garden. Maybe that means listening to music all day. The question is yours to ask yourself.

Somantics, your story is actually a relatively common one. Once you wake up in this culture it is easy to feel isolated and alone in your beliefs. I have certainly felt that way in my own life. But I promise you that if you take the time to search out the right people, they will also find you. There are people out there who enjoy life, and who can give you the experiences you need to have.

Cheer up fellows! Take a walk in the forest and remember that society doesn't actually exist. It is a consensus-based fabrication. Ask yourself.... how can we change the consensus?

[treetop]

Hi somantics

I too live in the Uk and feel similar to you.However I have never haboured any illusions about the power of people to stop the war in Iraq.No doubt many perhaps now the majority, who knows, never trust opinion polls,they are about as accurate a scud missile.
Because the stakes are too high.There was no large reserves of oil in Vietnam and oil is civilization fix or chain at present.
However Daniels thought provoking book and the Ideas of Mckenna point to a change that is unstopable .Unfortunately mass action in post democratic societies seems to be a thing of the past -hats off to the French however-
In the Uk we are all fairly isolated from each other and the state would like t okeep it that way , unless of course in its some dubious empire celebration or say the tribal unity of a sports event( such as the world cup, -i have not spoken to so many people i have never met before for quite a while ,sort of like being at free festival or early rave, yet witout a spirtual component, but i did enjoy it despite England being piss poor)
The powers that be do not care one ioata about public opinion but only about massaaging it to fit their agenda's.
This week has been the anniversary of the bombing s in London.However the media & politicians choose to ignore the causes,or though there is not excuse for barbarity .Just as the 'west' chooses to ignore what is happening in Palestine.
This is not to say we all may as well sit at home and skin up all day as every little helps and as we all know its sometimes not the end result that matters but the taking part.
So don't despair they are many who think and feel in the same way.
hope that made sense!
Also has anyone read the new book on mushrooms called Shrooms by Andy Letcher?
I have not bothered yet ,as i read a couple of reviews and one said he has written a neo conservative tract about psychedelic fungi and its enthusiasts.
I understand Mckenna comes in for some heavy criticism.Notably i beleive for making up history.Letcher says that the mushrooms protruding from the Bee Shamen were not on the orginal but Mckenna and Kit added them on.
Basically i understand Mckenna is accused of self publicity and of manufactering a bogus archeaology .
I think i will have to read it but am intersted to hear the thoughts of any members who have.
All i know is the one time the Bee Shamen appeared to me, there were mushrooms around the edges of the body
I guess some one was bound to appear to be the offical debunker of Mckenna.some people always miss the point!

[sparrowthebrave]

I remember the EXACT MOMENT I knew everything was going to change. It was the night G.W. Bush was "elected." As soon as it happened, I felt a sudden, onrushing blackness and utter panic overwhelm me. Pure psychic terror and anxiety. It's as if some portal had opened up and let a million beasts through. My friends were all also depressed that night, but my best friend in particular, noticed that I had left the room and was clutching at my heart. She asked me what was wrong and I told her, "Something very very very very BAD is going to happen now. War and terror and the ultimate destruction." I'll never forget that feeling and powerful hit of premonition.

Obviously, I don't think it's that election ALONE that is the catalyst to what we're about to face... I think humanity has been slowly building up to this all along, but now we're at an accelerated pace, and goshdarnit if we all just don't seem to be ENJOYING it... reveling in it, almost. The amount of apocalyptic programming on TV, the fear-based shows, the "what-ifs" about natural disasters on the discovery channel calculating what will happen if every major natural disaster hits us... Dateline specials on pandemics, etc... the global consciousness, the societal consciousness is PROPELLING this to happen, almost. As if it HAS to happen. And maybe it must. Everyone KNOWS, even the skeptics I know, that the sky IS falling.

I am a firm believer in the darkness before the dawn. Even in times of personal evolution, we must hit our absolute lows to reach our highs. And if the individual is a reflection of society and vice versa, then we are all going through a major psychological breakdown... but only from that can we be the phoenixes.

[daniel]

sorry people,

i have been traveling so haven't been as locked into this board over the last few weeks. i don't want to let so much despair/depression linger... i will try to make a longer response later tonight.

[Agent Smith]

i have to admit i came by here tonight after becoming throughly fed up with the over intellectulizing nitpicking discussions over who was, and wasn't qualified to practice shamanism elsewhere on the net...

i'm fed up, and disgustipated with being fed up, and disgustipated... it's just too tiring. too much work...

i think one of the grandest illusions being perpetrated at this moment is that there aren't enough of us to make a difference, that things are headed too solidly in the wrong direction, that humans are just bad monkeys that need to be slapped (or the more fashionable variant, americans are willfully ignorant evil global resource vampires)... all lies! damn lies! and statistics!!!!

i've been feeling alot of resistence during this current period... granted my researches lead me into some very oppositional and conflicted realms, and territories... in fact i'm fairly certain that much of my current difficulties are a direct result of my exposure to the medium of the internet, and the electromagnetic interference of the personal computer (since i've cut myself off from allowing television, and cinema to poison my Dreaming)

my basic point is this: we've got many multiple solutions, ranging from a vast array of spiritual technologies, to social interaction models, to physical restoration techniques to most of our seemingly threatened planet's current challenges ...so turn that frown upside down!!

i am optimistic in the face of my own snarling cynicism...

(check out Hermetic Mind Science, Nonviolent Communication, Seedballs, and soil bioremediation... for starters...)

the bums lost.

[Aneurysm]

"Has anyone ever heard the phrase that the night is darkest before dawn?"

Yes, I have and in some ways I believe it and in other ways I don't. I understand that all births are painful, but deaths can be too. I would say that the question is, "which one is happening to us?" , but that's too linear a way of looking at things. Life and death are intertwined. As McKenna once said in one of his lectures "The fetus is sculpted by the hand of death". So both of these things are happening; it's a transmutation.

Still, I keep going back and forth between the position that A) everything is interconnected and meaningful, that its all getting weirder and more complex, and boundaries are dissolving, and that we're starting to deal with humanity's most fundamental and important psychological issues, and B) A nihilistic "we're all fucked" position, that the time left is too short, that the U.S. is going to be destroyed in a blaze of atomic fire, and the ecosystem will collapse, and even if I did survive I wouldn't have enough basic skills to live beyond a week.

And is it any wonder? What I get from Daniel's book is that we're all heading towards an unstoppable evolutionary leap in consciousness, yet we're all gonna die in a horrible nuclear war. What I get from the news is the Earth is dying, yet ecological and sustainable living is on the rise, and that nobody wants war, but everyone is waging it. What this boils down to is, are we making progress and enough of it, or is it too late and the relatively hairless monkey is fated to wipe itself out?

As a side note, normally I wouldn't even give this prophecy a second thought, except that you have sources pointing to 2012 coming from many different disparate directions (not to mention all the weird astronomical business happening that year). This is just too much to ignore.

--Aneurysm

P.S.
No problem Daniel. I know you're out on your book tour at the moment. By the way, I really liked the talk you gave at Elliot Bay Books smile.gif

[Somantics]

I hadn’t actually meant to come across as despairing because I love my disillusionment for what it is - the chance to build something new. What I was seeking was a connection to any like minds. And there appear to be many out there.

I think the easiest way to navigate around all of the theories, lies, prophecies or whatever is to treat the truth like time: it is held with the individual and every one has there own. In this way you can forget cynicism and just sit back and enjoy the show.

A case in point might be phenomena like crop circles. To me, and I grew up in that part of the country, they distillate perfectly the magic that you can easily feel throughout the South west of England, and I believe they are created by forces outside of our experience. To other they're just hoaxes that occasionally appear in a photo spread in the Daily Mail.

Anyway in doesn't matter in either case because they still prompt us to talk to each other (around the world)and throw light onto an area that would otherwise remain hidden.

Everything has its uses!

[Dna]

"It's always darkest before it goes pitch black."

Seriously though. I think dispair is related to a feeling of helplessness in the face of what seem like overwhelming odds.

At this point it is good to remember that there are many like minds out there and that you can begin to make changes within your immediate sphere of influence, your community, family, self etc.

Do not forget that we have a faculty for creative visualisation, which enables us to find the right connections to achieve what we intend.

Dna.

[sidecross]

Agent Smith: “i have to admit i came by here tonight after becoming throughly fed up with the over intellectulizing nitpicking discussions over who was, and wasn't qualified to practice shamanism elsewhere on the net...”

I have the same response as Agent Smith; if this is the best that can be brought to the discussion, then we have failed to bring any light to the discussion.

It is no wonder people are expressing despair. The tone of the ‘tribe’ site as well as here at BOTH has become a game of defending preexisting believes. There is a lack of disagreeing without first showing malice for others, and self promotion for one’s own beliefs.

Besides lacking any sense of humility, a lack of humor is also becoming a prominent characteristic of both sites.

Breaking Open the Head should be a daily practice, and not singular event to engage in a life’s believe system.

I certainly hope we can all recognize that we have become the problem we have been trying to solve and correct.

[Agent Smith]

egads!

shamanism without a sense of humor... 'tis a fookin' menace...

it's really gotten to the point where i have been considering finding a new term to describe my sphere of interest...

"there's no point being objective when studying subjectivity" r.bandler

i've always been a bit reluctant to offer up a plan of action, or really too much of what i'd find helpful for the very reasons sidecross mentions above. less because i don't care to expose them to criticism, and more because i'm wary of habitually adopting a self imposed, and defended dogma just because i like my bright shiney ideas...

what the thing boils down to for me is this- restore the biosphere by anymeans necessary.

which gets involved with dueling sorcerers, international finance, ultra-terrestrials, and reality manipulation... and if you can't laugh at all that, well then you're screwed...

again to me this isn't so much a time for sitting back and feeling smug 'cause i'm such a smarty pants, it's a time for getting dirt under my nails, rolling up my sleeves, and applying foot to ass where called for.

good luck to all.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Other than me Smith?How many other people do you know who predicted the Tsunami on the 26th.
Not only that but if you check Daniels records you'll see I posted a prayer for "all hell to break loose" just before the "cleansing" of New Orleans and Burning man.
We need to establish within our midst,a living Saint,capable of performing miracles and the like.

You guessed it Smith.Me.Dr John D. Son of Checotah and Lake Eufaula Oklahoma.

[enantiodromia23]

It seems to me that much of the discourse that goes around here (and on Tribe as well... I'm with you in your chagrin, Sidecross) is, like, this attitude of *banter*, i.e. 'let me show you how smart, hip, ironic I am, lest you think you can get the better of me'...

Some of you seem so self-assured and together in your knowledge of what is happening, what we're up against, and how to deal with it...

How I envy you...

[Isaiah Mpski]

Is that a cock I hear crowing?Beware the 26th.

[craazyman]

Isaiah, after all this time, you've convinced me.

I'll vote for you as the living Saint in our midst, and, considering that you've also named me a Lord, I'm thinking that maybe there's a few acres of that Oklahoma property of yours with my name on it as a royalty-claim for a homestead and garden (lakefront would be especially nice, with a dock).

I can hoe a row like the best of them, but if I'm busy or traveling off the estate, then my entourage & staff will be assigned the task. ;)

dromia23, there's only so much weighty ponderousness a man can take before he breaks down completely into sanity and starts laughing.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Yes Lord CM,I've been working on the project for well over 30 years now.
You know somebody has to do it.
In regard to radical changes in your life-they certainly don't necessarily have to be immediately permanent.Two weeks in Indian Territory would give anyone-it kind of dependes on what time of the year you visit-an idea if radical change is necessary.
And I believe it is.
No.I'm not going to give my land away.I might give you some stocks to manage and see if you do better than the last guy.The only time you'll get more than a living out of this place is if and when part of it is sold and we split up the profits depending upon one's contributions.
No Lord CM,if you have a family depending on you it is best you continue with the American dream with the knowledge and assurance that if you need a place to run you are always welcome.

[brother shamus]

We ALL are the 'living saints' and we ALL need to embrace our power and with every decision we make be 'the decider' and decide towards the choice that we know is right. We can't keep polluting our air, water and food. We can't work like slaves and have no community. We can't have ONE person in power or we end up right back here. EVERYONE needs to step up! HOPE and FEAR; The FUTURE, We are on a roller coaster ride and what's the worst that could happen? All out civil war?, death?, change?, nothing? Might as well go along for the ride and see what happens, if you are in a position to effect change then do it! Someone mentioned burning man and I encourage everyone to go if possible.

[Damien]

I call on all Indigo/Crystal Rainbow children...Starseeds and Star-kin...come to Mount Shasta in California. We will house you...we are here uniting for our mission...we must all get into our positions, the event is nigh. Come meet your real family, your star family.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Will you please send me a roundtrip bus ticket?

The Lord

[Isaiah Mpski]

As of today ,my views have all changed.
No.I didn't get my Richard Nixon bill clintonized.I'm thinking about it though after watching those two guys in cowboy hats.God it must have gotten hard out on the prarie in wintertime.
No,Bombay took a hit Lord CM and I fear that spells a downturn in the Asian market.


I think it is important here to tell you how things could rapidly escalate and we find ourselves in pockets of 14th century life.

I speak from the experience of one long familar with military life and especially intelligence.

Yes I think it is very important to have a place to run to,especially out of California-alot of bad karma there-maybe some good and hopefully the women and children will run my way first.
I can support all.

[brother shamus]

We all need to remember Aneurysm First statement!

Disclaimer: I'm drunk

When the flash hits it will be with your chosen community (paraphrased Terrence Mckenna), So make sure you stock up on alcohol! If everyone brings enough for a big party imagine the result! Flash or no flash! (Make mine Tequila!)

All we can do is ride it out and hope for the best. One more thing to remember:
The apocolypse will have some AMAZING SUNSETS!

[Somantics]

Isiah - ' a lot of bad karma in California'?

Forgive me but off all the places to love on this amazing planet that particular state seems fairly low in bad karma in comparison with many places. A lot of people spend so much time trying to put a single meal on the table that they don't have time for this kind of introspection!

All I'm saying is that it's important to keep perspective: the whole reason, for me, to anticipate and herald a world where our eyes are opened, is to fully appreciate what we have to preserve (this Planet Oasis and its inhabitants) and what we must discard.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Listen Somo.The last three times I had anything to do with california-the land of fruits and nuts and beautiful women-I got robbed.The first two times were armed robberies.
I figure it would take about 500 K to get me to set step out there.

The Lord

[Isaiah Mpski]

And Brother Shamus I saw a sunset over Lake Eufaula last night that was so beautiful I memorized it in my mind so that I can paint it on canvas later.
It rained yeasterday evening.
The purple hull peas will fill out and the okra will bloom.
It's time to think about the fall garden.That is the true test of a farmer.Can shi grow enough to get everybody through the winter?

[brother shamus]

Just some positive things that you can do to keep yourself sharp and focused. Keep watching those sunsets and sunrises!

1. Do not eat or use products from any animal that is fed and eats parts of its own dead.

2. Do not kiss or have intimate relations with anyone you do not know.

3. Learn basic sanitation and water purification.

4. Be comfortable around firearms. Learn to shoot and clean a gun.

5. Get a good first aid kit and learn to use it.

6. Find 5 people within 100 miles that you trust with your life and stay in contact with them.

7. Get a copy of the US Constitution and read it.

8. Eat less.

9. Get a bicycle and two sets of spare tires. Ride it 10 miles a week.

10. Consider what you would bring with you if you had to leave your home in 10 min. and never return.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Is a boiled egg a dead chicken or is it a live biological progression?

[Caprinardo Delirio]

one could also concidering trying to hold TWO worldviews... i don't know if this really will work, but..

marcuse's notion, that when the world at large is attempted to be seen as rational, then our individual lifes become irrational and meaningless, plus vice versa, certainly holds true as a 'language creating emotion' in the lives of many, or maybe rather this is how people choose to express their illness.. (there is also the projectionist pathology of extroverting and politicizing of inner conflict i.e. matrix/alex jones enthusiasts, who actually just had a bad birth - not to take anything away from the glory of the story - and gets frozen in a sterile reality of social dynamic which simply reflect an unbroken dynamic of sick psyche)

anyway, i think the common pathology on this board is 'the big picture' with all the anxiety and awe that there comes with it..

i still feel the big picture is something you take on board in a secondary manner to your existential reasoning, and the two get all too often mixed up, with downward spiralling reality tunnels. one of the only times i've experienced depression, was in school years ago, and it was simply the 'lying awake trying/forced to grasp the picture/my life' and feeling lost in the vastness of the abstraction. naturally this is but abstraction, and when you've rid yourself of all these neurotic ponderings of relations and reasons, one slowly begin to flow spontaniously and freely again. ofcource we can pick up any number of language games and toil in the ponds all we like without neccesarily becoming sick from the experience. yet certain motifs, neurotic naivete, in a way can make the tale wag the dog. it can actually be done!

[ July 12, 2006, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: Caprinardo Delirio ]

[daniel]

Recently I have been having the increasingly powerful realization that the "shift" does not have to happen catastrophically at all. We could potentially, as Saul Williams put it, "Cancel the Apocalypse," and skip straight into the Golden Age without the otherwise inevitable harrowing of hell.

It would be a bit like the fall of the Berlin Wall, but on an exponentially larger and deeper level - in which all of the "mind-forged manacles" as Blake called them suddenly fall away, because we are done with them.

One aspect of this is that those of us who have been thinking about this transformation or noospheric activation, and in a sense preparing the "morphogenetic field" for this shift in consciousness, have to work harder on ourselves - we have to abolish our deep desire for some kind of cosmic come-uppance.

By this I mean that a lot of people in the radical and progressive cultural realm, on some level, are actively looking forward to the destruction of the present system and then a truly horrendous and volatile passage before we potentially come out the other side. What underlies this is an old-fashioned Christian notion, that our civilization needs to do "penance" for our "sins," before we can go forward. It also suits some deep interior wiring for catharsis - like the bloody spectacles performed in the Roman coliseum.

But even these deep inner processes can be examined for what they are - shadow projections.

I am putting my intention into a different potential outcome - a massive and sudden raising of the collective intelligence of the species, as a natural and instinctive reaction to this critical moment.

I agree with the Dalai Lama that all anyone wants is a better life - if we can show the worst apparatchik in the Bush regime how to achieve a better life, with more love and generosity and meaning, they can make a switch in an instant.

[sidecross]

“…they (we) can make a switch in an instant.”

I could not agree more with daniel’s statement.

[Agent Smith]

Originally posted by daniel:
Recently I have been having the increasingly powerful realization that the "shift" does not have to happen catastrophically at all. We could potentially, as Saul Williams put it, "Cancel the Apocalypse," .finally.

good job.

[ocoyai]

By this I mean that a lot of people in the radical and progressive cultural realm, on some level, are actively looking forward to the destruction of the present system and then a truly horrendous and volatile passage before we potentially come out the other side. What underlies this is an old-fashioned Christian notion, that our civilization needs to do "penance" for our "sins," before we can go forward.this is a lot of the rub. Why would something as intellegent and advanced as God resort to some old sckool hoke-ness....

I hate to say it, but it usally the view of the poor that this world needs to be destroyed for a new one and the well off see it as needing to be worked with..I think that sounds pretty ofensive,,but why is it always the less fortunate that chant bring down babylon, everything needs to fall apart. blah blah blah and then still drive there cars and watch there tv. We just need to gain more tact and understand cause and effect better..

but folks guess what...We are writing this story,,so some of the authors will want there show to end with a bang...They will create revelations for themself. Starting with the nuclear destruction of jeruselam. This will the lead the ninnys to create some awfull shit for themselves

but

there will be this great things that happens with ease and grace and it wont take much time..It will be easier than we think.

and then we can rock

[ocoyai]

why do I write like I am from another country, that just learned english

brain work faster than hands

....

I think I love all you people on this forum

-----

[brother shamus]

If the current situation, (collective cultural halucination), changes, I really would like it to change smoothly and without grief.

I am putting that forward as the outcome that would suit most people the best.

'Expect the best, prepare for the worst', a bit pessimistic for sure but 'an ounce of preparedness is worth a pound of cure'.

I really don't like breaking down the serious cultural change to trite sayings but 'if the shoe fits'....

I go between being very confident that all will be well to hiding in my basement with the lead blanket around me and my shotgun.

[brother shamus]

I check out cryptogon.com and follow the crazy hi-jinks of Kevin; a guy from somewhere here in Oregon who posts an alternative news site, who recently moved to New Zeland because of the thought of the untidy collapse of our current system. Escapism does have it's security. I was going somewhere deeper with this but it's past my bedtime and I will get back to it with the morning coffee.

[Somantics]

I agree with Daniel's statement that if you teach someone like a Bush/ Blair disciple how to love and learn a better life then the battle is on its way to being won. It reminds me of Ginsberg ruminating about Johnson during the escalation of Vietnam - he saw the value of compassion for the person below the program. In a similar way even a crazy like David Icke advocates ' love for the lizard' and where's the harm in that?

I don't think that this is a battle to be won with guns or any act of destruction. If you want a new world you have to assimilate all points of view and anticipate resistance to change. It will become increasingly obvious to everyone that things will change and that they have to - it's just that most people have become so distracted by the same (comparatively minor) issues played nightly in the media and gossip columns that they have yet to wake up.

Therefore all of those who woke up before them have a duty of care to welcome them to a new day in a calm and understanding way.

Adopting a superior attitude or meeting the problem with violence are exactly the old imperial attitudes we must leave behind.

[gandydancer]

An interesting turn of thought here...

Although I along with my circle of friends tend to feel that we are in for a lot of world-wide chaos in the next few years, rather than put my "intentions" in one direction or another I think the words "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven" work well for me.

I've been involved in the medical profession most of my working life, and I've been somewhat involved in the "peace movement" also--so I've met a lot of supposedly well-intentioned people doing "good works". But I've been saying to my friends for many years, "If I were a praying person, which I am not, my prayer would be: Please God save me from the social workers and the people who 'just wanted to help me'." When I was young I was puzzled by what Jesus said in the New Testament about good works alone will not get you into the kingdom of heaven, but you must know the name of God...(those words may be way off, but I believe that was the message). As I have grown older I have come to believe that he meant that the kingdom is within--find that and the "good works" will naturally follow--and that often "good works" are anything but, in fact more often than not they are just the opposite.

I suppose that one could say that in a sense The New Age is here already also--if it's in your heart it is here for you and the life you lead will reflect that. I think it is common for young people to to always be looking to the future for their circumstances to change in such a way that they will be able to live their life in a more fulfilling manner. Then at one point it hits you: This is it! ...Or maybe it's just been that way for me. I know I still need to remind myself all the time: Be happy today because this IS the future.

That's a really interesting observation that Daniel makes about this "old-fashioned Christian notion" that we actually are looking forward to The Wrath of God (my words) to punish us for our sins. One could put the Jewish and Islamic thinking there also. But isn't it more the idea that God is going to punish THEM (everybody but US)? I don't think I have to get into that too much as I think most of you would tend to agree? But I hadn't thought about how it applys just as well to the "new age community"--certainly there is that feeling out there: "The New Age is coming and she is going to rise US up" -- which I guess would leave everyone else down, down in Hell, so as to speak.

Daniel mentioned shadow projections and I agree. I feel that there is nothing more important than owning our projections. It will knock the self-rightiousness out of anyone, and most of us need it. There are not a bunch of "bad" people out there, and that includes the Christian Right, which includes the Bush administration. They are working very hard at what they feel is right. If those of us who feel that they are way off track would be working just half as hard on inner work, we can make a real difference.

It may be starting to sound like I think I've got it all figured out--I don't. In fact I have come to this forum for help with my recent thoughts on so-called peace work, which I hope to bring up when I get to know you all a little better.

[brother shamus]

This quote if from Gouda rigorus intuition on the current state of the dimentional shift:

Re: "WW3", this could all be very, very dangerous bluster leading up to the G8 and Security Council resolutions on N. Korea and Iran. Monsters that they are, they might not be aiming to escalate this to a global, nuclear level - just make it seem like it. Not to say that it does not seem like the end of the world when you are living on the ground under attack - it does, it does. But from the outside perspective (here in our starbucks) it eerily resembles the entangling global alliances and intrigues preceding WWI and WWII:

1. N. Korea is (sort of) flinging missiles. Japan has breached the topic of pre-emptive strikes against N. Korea (which the USA would gladly back) while China would certainly not appreciate this precedent being set. Japan is also leading the way for a resolution: "Japan seeks vote on N. Korea resolution" - China is not amused: news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060...a_missiles

2. India, the second most populous country on the planet, just had its own 911, which was not long in coming after a hypocritical nuclear deal with the US (and all the attendant, secret backroom deals). This has implications for both Pakistan and China. India has rounded up hundreds and immediately fingered “al-Qaida linked” Kashmir rebels.
"350 Detained in Bombay Train Bombings" - hosted.ap.org/dynamic/sto...3-07-09-42

3. Iraq and Afghanistan are in civil war. Implications here too for Pakistan and Iran. Implications, that is, for control over pipelines: oil, drugs, humans.

4. Mexico, and entire latin America are divided, with the key power, Venezuala arming itself with weapons (economic and otherwise) and energy deals.

5. And now we have a couple of kidnappings and murders in The Most Explosive part of the world, what with everything else lined up on the razor's edge as it is, echoes the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo. It is the pretext, anyway, for pre-planned contingencies. Germany alligned with the US, UK, Turkey and Israel this time against Eurasianists, Russia, & China. Regular middle eastern peoples are the tinder.

What am I missing?

Oh, Mongolia:

Quote:
Mongolia trades on Genghis appeal
800-year anniversary source of pride, commercialism

Mongolia celebrated the 800th anniversary of Genghis Khan's march to world conquest on Tuesday with festivities that mixed commercialism with appeals to nationalism.
...

Images of Genghis Khan, often as a wizened elder, have been plastered on billboards, etched in white stones on a mountainside and used to promote tourism. A rock opera of the conqueror's life -- modeled on "Jesus Christ Superstar" -- is being staged by a popular band.
...

In the rush to capitalize on his name, Genghis Khan's legacy as a brutal conqueror is being played down. Instead, he's being cast as an agent of world change, a visionary statesman who promoted low taxes on trade, diplomatic immunity and religious tolerance.

"We are forefathers of globalization," says one government slogan.

"Our ancestor 800 years ago not only brought war and destruction, but he also brought liberation and freedom," said Munkh-Orgil, who has a degree from Harvard Law School. "As to the methods, it was the 13th century. What could we say?"

edition.cnn.com/2006/TRAV...index.html

Mongolia is, for what it is worth, very much a US asset at the moment. Strong military presence, good cooperation.

It's really not looking very good this summer.

[Thom]

One aspect of this is that those of us who have been thinking about this transformation or noospheric activation, and in a sense preparing the "morphogenetic field" for this shift in consciousness, have to work harder on ourselves - we have to abolish our deep desire for some kind of cosmic come-uppance. Fair enough, but there's a lot of 'if's' in this attitude...it can turn into a fiddling while rome burns sort of thing.

Still, those of us with children have to believe in some sort of life for them, after the apocalyptic crisis, (which is happening Now) has prepared the ground for a new civilization.

My dutiful 'positive intention' post to follow shortly...

[Thom]

So....what now?

Most of us seem to agree that the western educated ego desperately need a harmonious re-alignment with its origin in the complete being/body of light that is nature, the mother-mater-matter. I think the abstraction of the ego pretty much constitues a psychic split which means the ego is dangerously prone to possession by split-off components of the psyche, mysterious entities etc etc. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that most people live in a flickering haze between conciousness and various states of possession - blundering in an invisible forest of conflicting coercive forces.

In a crisis as serious as the one our species now faces we have two alternative courses of action. 1) Hope someone will sort it out while we go on living our 'lives of quiet desperation,' enjoying the hot and cold running water, cheap fuel, prepackaged food and celebrity gladiators before we die - after all, the US Marines (fuck yeah) protect our interests. Or 2) Attempt to liberate from the ego and operate unselfishly, 'aperspectivally' as Gebser wrote, 'time-free' as avatars of the clarity of spirit. The few people who have chosen to do this, or have had to do this in the past are the saints, sages and prophets, the great warriors and the holy fools.

As the global situation gets weirder and wilder, more people will recognise the necessity of radical personal and social transformation. If it takes a catastrophe to snap people out of the alien mind-meld then so be it.

It seems to me that so many people are being called, or elected by spirits, to undertake the great work right now. Most people reading this message board have probably recieved some form of the traditional shamanic call to wholeness, conciously or unconciously, on the mythic plane or this.

I get to travel around europe a fair bit and everywhere I go there are colourful, engaged people of great integrity who seem to be waiting,watching and doing the work. The french word travailleur fits. They (we!) are people who entered adolescence with awareness of an impending end of civilization, and we have lived and loved among voices prophesying doom. We've responded, and we'll know what to do when the time comes because we're already making the necessary leap into the new awareness. We'll be the focal points of new communities, and humbly, in loving service, we'll create a new world.

There'll be loads of great sex, and swimming in the sea with dolphins, and midnight moonlight ceremonies to celebrate the return of the Sidhe, and there'll be voyages to Tir na nOg to trade songs for visions and helping spirits, and eventually humanity will become the transparent ageless sylph-like gardners of Gaia, shepherds of the invisible.

Anyway, thats my intentional wishlist - whats yours?

[ July 13, 2006, 08:15 AM: Message edited by: Thom ]

[Isaiah Mpski]

Do you remember the song that went kinda like this,
...This is ground control to major Thom.Do you hear me Major Thom.Do you hear me Major Thom...

This is Major Thom to ground control.Yes I hear you ground control.Yes I hear you ground control.

[Thom]

"Though I’m past one hundred thousand miles
I’m feeling very still
And I think my spaceship knows which way to go
Tell my wife I love her very much (she knows!)"

Actually...she's sitting here with me on the front doorstep rolling a big fat spliff.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Can you hear me Major Thom"Can you hear me major Thom?

Actually i just finished one myself before I kept hearing that worthless song ringing in my ears.
It is raining here today.Has been off and on for a couple of days now.Great for the Garden.
My ole lady just crawled out of the Jacuzzi and I think I'll see if I can slip in.

[Damien]

Personally I feel as if i've been compromised by the enormous lack of meditative insight the vast majority of the population engenders. I came into this lifetime filled with idealism and a light built off of the actual of spirituality in another plane. I've always had this awareness that I was sent here "aware". Aware of what really happens on Earth. The awareness after the transcendance...because i'd sacrificed so much in previous lives in order to attain spiritual understanding. My presence here was meant to inspire others to spark off the light that was a part of me.

In the time i've actually been here, my experience with fellow humans has been primarily that of aggression, intolerance, close-mindedness, selfishness, tunnel-vision, and lowest common denominator. Right now I don't feel love for other people no compassion, my meter has been run dry by the damage i've accrused through having to deal with inferior forces.

Today was in the depths of yet another spiritual collapse...rather based on an existential experience of loss, lack, atrophy of self-worth, self-knowledge, selfdom...As commonly happens in my circumstance i'm thinking of tricks, devices used to produce harm toward myself, at the expense of the understanding of others. I thought, "Wow, how sad that I come into this world filled with love and light only to have it drived out of my system/contemplation after 24 years of dealing with a hostile, reactionary, short-sited, selfish species...if what Daniel espoused in his latest post, a consciousness shift without external force or pressure, deleterious combat, etc. then how excluded i'll feel from a species that now inhabits the space I did when I first came here and which through the trama of experience I can no longer take part it..."

Irony, I think. However because i've never really been a given a clear interpretation of direction towards how i'm supposed to transmit, nevermind embody the principles of compassion, love, aquarius, no-mind, etc...i'm wondering these days if my life was a set-up, if was to be an example.

An astrologer recently intimated that for the next year and a half of my life, should I choose to keep living it, would involve "ego-wipeout". My rage towards this brutal process notwithstanding, living in a state of environment which I have experience before, in which all external events, influences are rendered benign, trivial, and external i'm at a loss to contemplate how then interaction with other occurs. 6 billion enlightened souls would probably not acknowledge each other with any modicum of importance...unless there was engagement with other through the veil of an enlightened nirvana state.

Suffice it to say I'm pretty pissed right now with how my life has gone thus far...i've felt put upon, embarrased...clearly all devices which would ask me to examine the nature of my self-dom in excelsis of the aggressive "this is who you are and this is what you need to do" of the arrogant, aggressive curbside, yet not necessary invalid wandering souls in Boulder...

Have I made a mistake in coming back to Earth, not upholding the values I came in on having the intuition that I was an avatar meant to bring in the basic "soul" of the new age and instead all the base natures of human experience and understanding unduly affect my sense of self, my sense of thought, etc. I feel as though i've been kept from my friends, from my co-creators, that i've been played with as a human teases an animal, its a mocking feeling, a feeling of disrespect, of pure meanness. And I don't like it one bit, have never liked, have never understood it.

Now looking at this from the point of the ego...in one way I refuse to go back there on the priciple that I didn't deserve to be driven there in the first place!!!! As fair, balanced behavior goes I myself would try to never go there, although I myself aren't perfect.

To sum it up at this point, I feel that my involvement in the movement is moot, my desire to change things or to inspire neutralized, at this pointl. Whether the demons that be choose to huff and puff, complaining to me that i'm not giving them proper leniancy to enact their immature energy upon the world and myself, I say fuck off because at the root point there has to be some kind of return. The spiritual warriors, my kinsmen, that i've come across over the past couple of years in the greatest number have embodied one-part "good-natured purveyor of truth" other-part "reckless fanaticist" willing to do whatever it takes to embody/project their specific brand of truth, is there contemplation? recongnition of difference? no in the majority of what i've seen...From my mother to homeless bums on Pearl Street there is a raw, desperation to embody the most extroverted, harsh directness possible as a way of provoking me! I've personally never tried to push my theories down people's throats, at least not in obvious ways through directed means. Anyhoo, its July 13th 2006...a little more than 5 years now until 2012, with a society in both practice and mind with no sign of returning to "Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revalation
And the mind's true liberation
Aquarius!
Aquarius!"

I could care less.

[Somantics]

Thom nice words. I love the optimistic tone of your writing!

Damien, I don't know what hardships you've suffered but it is possible to become a magnet for suffering...or it is easy to fall into habit.

I went through a similar experience culminating in panic attacks - that was when I was 22. Now I'm 35 and although I still don't have an answer to my questions I have learnt to step aside from the 'momentum of negative energy' and enjoy the dream - which is all it is really.

Also it helped immensely to move out of the Cotswold town in which I was bought up and move to the absolute intensity of London. After 10 years of this change I've moved forwards in ways I could never have imagined had small town inertia trapped me.

Maybe you should try a similar and radical change of direction because
what you have clearly isn't working right now

[Thom]

Thanks Soma,

'Enjoy the dream...'

Yes. The play appears tragic, when the ego is closely involved, and tragedies end in death and the ruin of the kingdom. But if we are able to free ourselves from the magnet of ego, and maybe glimpse the infinite, then the play becomes a comedy, ending with resolution, and a marriage.

A friend just emailed me some quotes, which I think are relevant to this thread:

Nature is beneficent. I praise her and all her works. She is silent and wise.
She is cunning, but for good ends. She has brought me here and will also lead
me away. She may scold me, but she will not hate her work. I trust her.
-- Goethe

This is a work of fiction. All the characters in it, human and otherwise, are
imaginary, excepting only certain of the fairy folk, whom it might be unwise to
offend by casting doubts on their existence. Or lack thereof.
-- Neil Gaiman, "Books of Magic III"

We are so accustomed to disguise ourselves to others that in the end we become
disguised to ourselves.
-- La Rochefoucauld

Serafina Pekkala considered, and then said, "Perhaps we don't mean the same
thing by choice, Mr Scoresby. Witches own nothing, so we're not interested in
preserving value or making profits, and as for the choice between one thing and
another, when you live for many hundreds of years, you know that every
opportunity will come again. We have different needs. You have to repair your
balloon and keep it in good condition, and that takes time and trouble, I see
that; but for us to fly, all we have to do is tear off a branch of cloud-pine;
any will do, and there are plenty more. We don't feel cold, so we need no warm
clothes. We have no means of exchange apart from mutual aid. If a witch needs
something, another witch will give it to her. If there is a war to be fought,
we don't consider cost one of the factors in deciding whether or not it is
right to fight. Nor do we have any notion of honour, as bears do, for instance.
An insult to a bear is a deadly thing. To us... inconceivable. How could you
insult a witch? What would it matter if you did?"
-- Philip Pullman, "The Golden Compass"

[Agent Smith]

Originally posted by Damien:

. Right now I don't feel love for other people no compassion, my meter has been run dry by the damage i've accrused through having to deal with inferior forces.

.what, you just thought you could coast through, and live on karma?

well, maybe your meter will be fuller next time buddy.

i'm sure the 'inferior forces' will be more than ready to accept you by then.

[sidecross]

When I was 20 years old I laughed at what I thought when I was 10 years old.

When I was 30 I realized I knew little when I was 20.

When I was 40 I realized not to trust anyone 30 had to say; it did not compute.

When I was 50 I realized I was beginning to make some sense of what I have experienced.

Now in my 62nd year I do not trust blindly what anyone under 60 has to say (wink).

Dennis McKenna, Terence’s brother said ‘the bigger the bonfire the more darkness is revealed’.

It takes courage to endure a life time; there are no timeouts and no final conclusion.

[craazyman]

It's just so on topic I can't resist . . .

My Back Pages
-Bob Dylan

Crimson flames tied through my ears
Rollin' high and mighty traps
Pounced with fire on flaming roads
Using ideas as my maps
"We'll meet on edges, soon," said I
Proud 'neath heated brow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

Half-wracked prejudice leaped forth
"Rip down all hate," I screamed
Lies that life is black and white
Spoke from my skull. I dreamed
Romantic facts of musketeers
Foundationed deep, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

Girls' faces formed the forward path
From phony jealousy
To memorizing politics
Of ancient history
Flung down by corpse evangelists
Unthought of, though, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

A self-ordained professor's tongue
Too serious to fool
Spouted out that liberty
Is just equality in school
"Equality," I spoke the word
As if a wedding vow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

In a soldier's stance, I aimed my hand
At the mongrel dogs who teach
Fearing not that I'd become my enemy
In the instant that I preach
My pathway led by confusion boats
Mutiny from stern to bow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

Yes, my guard stood hard when abstract threats
Too noble to neglect
Deceived me into thinking
I had something to protect
Good and bad, I define these terms
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

[Agent Smith]

Originally posted by sidecross:
When I was 20 years old I laughed at what I thought when I was 10 years old.

.funny, when i was 22 i realized how right on i was at 14, and how much more equipt to deal with the actual underlying truths about this reality i was at 5.

[Humming]

sidecross, I'm not entirely sure if your earlier comments were directed to me or not, but I wanted to address some:

"It is no wonder people are expressing despair. The tone of the ‘tribe’ site as well as here at BOTH has become a game of defending preexisting believes. There is a lack of disagreeing without first showing malice for others, and self promotion for one’s own beliefs.

Besides lacking any sense of humility, a lack of humor is also becoming a prominent characteristic of both sites."

I hear what you're saying. People in our culture sometimes have a tendency to be dogmatic and unremitting. Personally, I am often conflicted about this... on the one hand, I feel like I have a duty to speak loudly about what I feel to be true. On the other hand, I want to recognize that all truths are true, or that nothing is ever really "true" in the most absolute sense. How can I stand firm in my beliefs while still allowing my mind to be malleable and open? It's a conundrum.

As for a sense of humor, I think if you knew me better you would know that I am one of the goofiest people around. I'm always trying to encourage the people around me to be less serious and more playful.

"shamanism without a sense of humor" doesn't seem possible. A shaman is someone who understand the cosmic joke, and lives in a philosophical territory somewhere between nihilism, abundance, and surrealism. If you've touched the deepest depths of morbidity and the highest heights of joy, it's difficult to take anything as "seriously" as you might once have.

Damien, this is also my advice to you: lighten up! This world is a weird and hilarious place.

Your story and your state of mind is intimately familiar to me because I have felt just the same from time to time. I look around me and wish that the world I imagine is the world I could live in.

Your tone is coming from a very arrogant place. Agent Smith pointed that out quite succinctly. I think this might be at the root of your discontent. To me, enlightenment or wisdom comes from a place of realizing the inter-connectedness of all things, rather than seeing yourself as being "superior" to the mass of idiots around you. Yes, it's true that many people in this world are blind and ignorant. But it's useless to blame them for who they are. Everyone is where they need to be in terms of the cosmic order of events. Everyone is playing their part on the cosmic stage.

The main point I wanted to share in this thread is about the co-creation debate. The cornerstone of Aquarian philosophy is that we create our own reality. If you believe that this is true, then why would you focus on the evil and disappointing and pathetic aspects of reality? Instead, you could be realizing fulfillment by co-creating happiness, by remembering what a gift it is to be alive and conscious in the world, to be lucky enough to be a vessel of experience capable of feeling and thinking and loving and hating.

In any situation you have a choice about how you emotionally react. If you feel sick, if you feel fed up with the world, perhaps if you shifted your perspective to focus on the beautiful and the amazing things all around you, you would feel better and heal some of the psychic wounds you are feeling.

Certainly I am still trying to integrate this perspective in my own life. People say that I'm too negative, that I focus too much on the painful things in the world. I think that it's important to acknowledge those things in an honest way, but I am also trying to realize that it may be ultimately more useful and more healthy for me to focus on what is beautiful and compassionate in the world.

[ July 14, 2006, 07:12 AM: Message edited by: Humming ]

[sidecross]

My comment was made in jest and was directed to no one in particular.

The comments made after my post seem to have missed my attempt at humor.

[Humming]

Well isn't that ironic? :D

[sidecross]

Here is a Dylan web site, crazyman, you might know about: http://www.expectingrain.com/

I wonder if ‘My Back Pages’ is on his current song list at concerts (wink)?
:cool:

[Damien]

Originally posted by Somantics:
Thom nice words. I love the optimistic tone of your writing!

Damien, I don't know what hardships you've suffered but it is possible to become a magnet for suffering...or it is easy to fall into habit.

I went through a similar experience culminating in panic attacks - that was when I was 22. Now I'm 35 and although I still don't have an answer to my questions I have learnt to step aside from the 'momentum of negative energy' and enjoy the dream - which is all it is really.

Also it helped immensely to move out of the Cotswold town in which I was bought up and move to the absolute intensity of London. After 10 years of this change I've moved forwards in ways I could never have imagined had small town inertia trapped me.

Maybe you should try a similar and radical change of direction because what you have clearly isn't working right nowActually i'm in a reverse situation from what you've described. I'm back in Orange County, the place i grew up in to help look after my grandfather after two years of intense spiritual growth and revelation living in Boulder, CO. So i'm definitely floating in the negative, moot energies I was feeling during the swan song of my living here.

Also something my mom talked to me about once was how she felt floaty, emotional, and depressed frequently until she was about 26, 27. So in a large part I think i'm still dwelling within the doldrums of 20's insecurity. You know eventually you're able to coexist with the very seemingly negative energies of this planet by having acquired an experience of transcendance by metting the polarities of light and dark with a higher level of ease.

The hardships i've faced have been primarily emotional/psychological...lots of hard negative energy from others. I'm actually thinking about heading out to Mount Shasta in Northern California...seems to be a large population of starseeds/indigo children out that way. It seems to be potentially the brightest star on the earth sky for now.

Thanks for your reponse. smile.gif

[Damien]

[/QUOTE]
maybe your meter will be fuller next time.

[/QUOTE]

That's precisely how it feels. smile.gif Its as if all the good, why stop at karma, energy I brought into this life has run dry...while all the I guess bad karma i brought in is burning away? or just making more of itself!

Typing out the post was an exercise in the honesty of the moment. In Boulder, right before I chose to leave home for another place that used to be a home but at this phase is merely a cage, I had a woman named Dawn approach me on the Pearl St. Mall in answer to my prayer to the divine for help...she told me, "You are not alone. It is what it is. This is it. Wait."

Honestly though with each day that goes by it feels like i'm waiting to gone, too long. My spiritual mission calls me but doesn't leave a forwarding address. So in desperation and impatience I lash out at others and myself...trying to channel the immense aggression within me...something which i have not felt this acutely in a long time. The darkness of this world, just like the light of this world is essential...as stated by Laurie Anderson, "Always two things...current runs through bodies and then it doesn't."

[ July 14, 2006, 08:11 AM: Message edited by: Damien ]

[Damien]

Originally posted by Humming:
Everyone is where they need to be in terms of the cosmic order of events. Everyone is playing their part on the cosmic stage.
even me. smile.gif ;)

[ July 14, 2006, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: Damien ]

[Humming]

"You are not alone. It is what it is. This is it. Wait."

http://www.jamesclairlewis.com/pages/animation/singles/rajayoga.html

"I wasn't kidding about the wait, was I?"

[Isaiah Mpski]

Are you in NYC Humming?

[brother shamus]

Damien: You need to visit the jeweled city! Terrence was right. It's all there, the best and the worst that you feel could happen to you and when I felt that it was OK for even the worst thing to happen, that I would live through it,(the worst thing is not death sometimes it's living after someone elses death), all the anxity just washed away and I was face to face with the inhabitant of the city. I felt that I could ask a question and after some thought, I asked: Why do we pretend we do not know?, Ironiclly, the question answers itself, we are pretending we don't know the answer. We know! We all know down in the place we don't look very often that we really do have the answers ourselves and we need to listen to that place and we will know and make the choices that we need to make. Works for me. Remember: Set and Setting are very important.

[brother shamus]

Damien: You need to visit the jeweled city! Terrence was right. It's all there, the best and the worst that you feel could happen to you and when I felt that it was OK for even the worst thing to happen, that I would live through it,(the worst thing is not death sometimes it's living after someone elses death), all the anxity just washed away and I was face to face with the inhabitant of the city. I felt that I could ask a question and after some thought, I asked: Why do we pretend we do not know?, Ironically, the question answers itself, we are pretending we don't know the answer. We know! We all know down in the place we don't look very often that we really do have the answers ourselves and we need to listen to that place and we will know and make the choices that we need to make. Works for me. Remember: Set and Setting are very important.

[brother shamus]

sorry for the double post I was trying to edit spelling.

[Humming]

Hey Isaiah,

I am not in New York, thankfully. I am on the opposite coast. I come from the mountains and I get sad when I can't see the stars and breathe clean air...

I appreciate New York but I'm glad I don't live there permanently.

[Damien]

Originally posted by brother shamus:
Damien: You need to visit the jeweled city! Terrence was right. It's all there, the best and the worst that you feel could happen to you and when I felt that it was OK for even the worst thing to happen, that I would live through it,(the worst thing is not death sometimes it's living after someone elses death), all the anxity just washed away and I was face to face with the inhabitant of the city. I felt that I could ask a question and after some thought, I asked: Why do we pretend we do not know?, Ironiclly, the question answers itself, we are pretending we don't know the answer. We know! We all know down in the place we don't look very often that we really do have the answers ourselves and we need to listen to that place and we will know and make the choices that we need to make. Works for me. Remember: Set and Setting are very important.Oh yes we certainly know the answer. I've experienced enlightenment before and in that state everything was quotiented...but I decided to come back to the Earth. The trick of the now is how to live without Ego-Mind and with, ideally, Pure-Self while being able to navigate the matrix of the current.

[Damien]

I also don't agree with the postulation that we'll be able to have a Peaceful Critical Mass Consciousness Shift...looking back at human history the prime dynamo behind progression, reconciliation, humanization is war. Conflict, even if it merely results in the complete mental breakdowns of those tightly wound to the tangible nature of our commerce, is likely...Its hard though to reconcile the notion that we can have Apocalypse and Ascention as bedmates...at least not if the transformation is going to complete by 2012...in my dreams remember, I saw piles of bodies...

[jcldragon]

I looked over the first page of this thread & decided to jump into the discussion. I'm sure I missed something... ;)

Visions & Channeled material are translated for the conscious mind by the subconscious mind. When there are quirks in the subconscious mind, you can get an imperfect translation. Moreover, this kind of information usually is encoded acoss several octaves of vibration, (Spiritual, Mental, Astral & Physical) simultaneously. Right there you have an onion with several layers to peel, and on each Octave you will have different (yet concurrent), layers of Meaning.

Before people start on The Path, they flow along with the negative stream, believing & doing as they are told. It's an easy course to follow, but you don't learn very much from it.

When a person decides to enter into the Spiritual Path, then they get out of the negative stream, and attempt to enter the positive stream. Since these two streams are flowing in different directions, there is considerable turbulance involved between them. Moreover, it is at this point that a person will face the Momentum of what they had been moving along with. In other words, they suddenly have to deal with all the Karma that they had previously ignored.

The result of this, is that they usually get creamed. After they have burnt off a lot of their bad Karma, they then will understand things more fully, and enter into the positive stream. So I look at current situations on this planet, and can only conclude from what is going on, that Humanity as a species, has already decided to enter into the Spiritual Path... and the first step is dealing with all the Karma that has been ignored, and we are getting creamed.

Par for Course.

Since Gaia is a sentient planet, I will assume that Gaia is employing Bell's Theorem to communicate with other sentient planets. That means that conditions here, are already known out there. We have laws against murder, so I will assume that the galaxy has laws against the killing of a sentient planet.

The various Prophecies & Scriptures that we have, point towards a dramatic event that will change our destiny forever. That they probably have been mis-interpreted in various ways, is irrelevant. Something is going to happen.

The exact details of what will happen, are being worked out in the process. I think we can expect a Contact, or an Intervention. If we figure out solutions to our problems here by ourselves, then we will get a Contact. I don't think that happens very often. If we don't figure out solutions to our problems, then we will get an Intervention.

An Intervention could be a decidedly messy process. Species who have done Interventions to save sentient planets, undoubtably have a variety of ways of approaching these situations, depending upon what the people living on that planet have figured out so far. What they will do, will most likely hinge upon how much we have cast off the Master/Slave mentality.

I think it will behoove us to set things up for a Contact, rather than an Intervention...

[Somantics]

I've read a lot of discussions on this board over the last couple of weeks and I keep having persistent doubts about some of the views expressed. Has anybody heard of simulacra? Seeing patterns in objects where there are none.

Now don't get me wrong as I DO sense a change in direction imminently, a quickening of time and a proliferation of synchronicities, it's just that I am wary, as Colin Wilson said, of 'the use of Occult and Mystery as an escape from everyday life'. There is no one way to understand something - diversity is longevity…nature's intention the whole time.

I believe in a reconciliation of (and attention to) the dual aspects of humanity - material and spiritual. As such an awful lot of ground has to be covered to achieve this end. To my mind speculations about doomsday scenarios are fruitless fantasy. I know a lot of opinion is a reaction to a perceived hostility and apathy in the world but a perspective needs to be maintained on how fortunate we are anyway - to our outrageous fortune on being here in the first place. Everything else is just a story.

[jcldragon]

Originally posted by Somantics:
I've read a lot of discussions on this board over the last couple of weeks and I keep having persistent doubts about some of the views expressed. Has anybody heard of simulacra? Seeing patterns in objects where there are none.

Now don't get me wrong as I DO sense a change in direction imminently, a quickening of time and a proliferation of synchronicities, it's just that I am wary, as Colin Wilson said, of 'the use of Occult and Mystery as an escape from everyday life'. There is no one way to understand something - diversity is longevity…nature's intention the whole time.

I believe in a reconciliation of (and attention to) the dual aspects of humanity - material and spiritual. As such an awful lot of ground has to be covered to achieve this end. To my mind speculations about doomsday scenarios are fruitless fantasy. I know a lot of opinion is a reaction to a perceived hostility and apathy in the world but a perspective needs to be maintained on how fortunate we are anyway - to our outrageous fortune on being here in the first place. Everything else is just a story.Whoopee! I found the Quote Button!

In Metaphysical literature, you'll find tons of material on how our minds gravitate conditions that match what's going on inside our heads. So if you think things are a certain way, you'll help make that view a fact. Negative thinking, draws negative conditions, and positive thinking draws positive conditions.

You may also run across teachings that say that our attitudes influence those around us, that we are all a part of a vast network of mutual influence. Thus, if you expect somebody to be difficult, you make it hard for them NOT to be difficult. Whereas, if you focus upon somebody's finer qualities, you essentially give them permission to manefest the best that is within them.

Usually these teachings focus upon the individual & how they conduct themselves. However, the same principles can be applied to humanity as a whole. Frequently, I'll see somebody get very frustrated by all the insanity they see out there. Then they come to the conclusion that while they have a fairly clear understanding of Life, that nobody else is going to. That attitude re-enforces the sense of powerlessness that is out there, and I believe it makes solving our problems more difficult.

I've been into Mysticism & the Occult for nearly 40 years in this incarnation, and what I see, is that a higher percentage of the population is either on The Path now, or looking for it, than there ever was before. Recognizing that fact, is what it takes to overcome the inertia.

[brother shamus]

Has anybody heard of simulacra? Seeing patterns in objects where there are none.

Now don't get me wrong as I DO sense a change in direction imminently, a quickening of time and a proliferation of synchronicities, it's just that I am wary, as Colin Wilson said, of 'the use of Occult and Mystery as an escape from everyday life'. There is no one way to understand something - diversity is longevity…nature's intention the whole time. Terrence Mckenna says that the building of complexity on more complexity, or novelty (his definition), is not pushing us from the past but drawing us towards the ultimate complexity, (a singularity to some), of the future. Towards an event or events, (time travel, faster than the speed of light travel, zero point energy, collective consciousness or?), that will redefine the nature of our current culture.

[Thom]

Somantics:
Has anybody heard of simulacra? Seeing patterns in objects where there are none.
Mistaking the map for the territory is a real problem. Our whole civilization has done this. The initial value of psychedelics for me was that they melted my customary perceptions and exposed me to some sort of scouring gale. Standing by the sea and staring at the horizon, eyes peeled wide as a wilder and more beautiful world pours in.

I often think that eros is the only reality; that ineffable biological urge to be. Its a sort of pan-ic - animals live that reality. Its why a fox in a trap will chew its leg off to escape...it wants life, and more life. Eros is the driving element. Why endure? We don't know, but still we go on.

I think that this is close to what people mean when they say that the universe is made of love. Eros is the love they mean. Eros, thammuz, dionysus etc. Quetzalcoatl is maybe the mayan aztec manifestation of this being.

And I think that Blake is correct when he says that the body is the outward form of the soul - any separation of body and soul is artificial and fleeting.

[ July 20, 2006, 11:12 AM: Message edited by: Thom ]

[Somantics]

Well it's good to hear answers like that. It's just that after finishing Daniel's latest book 2012 I found some of the ideas in it a little hard to digest - and I thought McKenna was unorthodox - and frankly, need correlating.

Anyway I was thinking all this yesterday upon leaving work in the baking and grimy streets of East end London, thinking 'what do all these ideas matter in the low grit vibration of daily life. Is this line of thinking I've been engaged in for the last 15 years just a type of self-administered therapy? Certainly nobody else seems to consider the larger picture, and most of the New Age stuff is just a merchandising opportunity'…

As I turned the corner a Chinese lady and her family stepped out in from of me. She had a large shopping bag over her back.

It said just one word.

'Faith'.

I had to laugh

[jcldragon]

Originally posted by Somantics:
Well it's good to hear answers like that. It's just that after finishing Daniel's latest book 2012 I found some of the ideas in it a little hard to digest - and I thought McKenna was unorthodox - and frankly, need correlating.

Anyway I was thinking all this yesterday upon leaving work in the baking and grimy streets of East end London, thinking 'what do all these ideas matter in the low grit vibration of daily life. Is this line of thinking I've been engaged in for the last 15 years just a type of self-administered therapy? Certainly nobody else seems to consider the larger picture, and most of the New Age stuff is just a merchandising opportunity'…

As I turned the corner a Chinese lady and her family stepped out in from of me. She had a large shopping bag over her back.

It said just one word.

'Faith'.

I had to laughPerhaps it's because I live in Los Angeles, but I'm finding that the general public is finding the sort of thinking you find on this message board, not to be beyond the pale at all.

A few weeks ago a Mexican Nanny was walking her charge past my house, and stopped for a bit of conversation. She noticed the San Pedro cactuses I have growing here, and said she loved them & grew them herself. I asked, & she responded that she knew that these are Sacred Cactuses, who produce Mescaline. She was also familiar with La Maria Pastoria...

Here it is legal to grow them as ornamental plants, but illegal to consume them. I have no problem with that, because I am primarily interested in propagating the species. My house is surrounded by them, and there is a network of energy in which I live. Simply meditating near them, is enough for me to enter into their world, so to speak. When the pups get long enough, I separate them from the parent plant, and start a new one. These I give as Gifts to special people...

[brother shamus]

Trust Existance!

and pass the San Pedro.

[imported_Tenderprey4usa]

i have, and will not make any arrangments toward the pospect except for making absolutly sure that im at stonehenge on decmber 21st 2012. any attemp you make to "prepare yourself" is a schitzophrenic and folly endevor

[daniel]

Hi Somantics,

You wrote: "I believe in a reconciliation of (and attention to) the dual aspects of humanity - material and spiritual. As such an awful lot of ground has to be covered to achieve this end. To my mind speculations about doomsday scenarios are fruitless fantasy. I know a lot of opinion is a reaction to a perceived hostility and apathy in the world but a perspective needs to be maintained on how fortunate we are anyway - to our outrageous fortune on being here in the first place. Everything else is just a story."

i agree with this - I am concerned that people have beamed into the doomsday ruminations in the book, rather than the constructive attempts to envision our possible future reality in a pragmatic way. This is also what I am hoping to do with Evolver (if we can get it off the ground): Help support ecologically progressive businesses and alternative energy and alternative health services - introduce these enterprises to a much larger audience so they can scale up. At the same time, create a social network oriented toward action in the world, rather than passivity.

I agree that action is necessary but it has to be the right action, with the best intentions behind it.

[Somantics]

Daniel

I am totally into what you're doing with Evolver and have already signed up for your mailing list. But I want to do more. I am a published poet and professional musician - how can I contribute?

As you mentioned a lot of people do tend to hone in on the doomsday scenario's but that's natural for people to do in trying times - they were doing it when William landed in Hastings in 1066 and at the end of the 19th and 20th century's.

However I know that this time it's a little different (considering the scale of a worldwide ecological crises) but I believe in our collective ability to tip the scales and grass roots communication across networks of like-minded people is just the way to do it. We can start by turning off the nightly news, avoiding the news stand and going further further further into our ideas about sustainable agriculture, recycling, dismissal of unneeded things pushed onto us by corporations and adverts and forcing our minds to open.

I always wondered why, as a human being in the UK, I had no choice but to pay taxes and participate in this system - now I see that it doesn't have to be like this at all - we have chosen to go along with it so far but now, all the bad habits are starting to break.

I would appreciate it Daniel if you would share more of your ideas about what more can be done!

It's all good stuff!

[jcldragon]

I had an idea for Political Economy, (which I won't go into here, because it's another subject, and I haven't written the webpage for it yet), which I've pitched to many people. Almost all of these people liked the idea, and they were a good cross section of Progressives, Liberal Moderates, and Libertarian Conservatives.

One thing I noticed, was that among the people who liked the idea, (about 90%), that many of them said, "I like the idea, but it will never happen, because people won't go for it".

Well, doesn't that seem strange? Why would it be, that if most people liked the idea, that they would think that most people wouldn't go for it?

It tells me that they lack faith in their fellow human beings, and I think they feel that way, because they also lack faith in themselves. When you have a good idea of how much power to shape events around you that you really do have, then you have a great deal of faith in yourself. This attitude enables you to take on large projects, and implement them. Without it, you wouldn't even try.

Our attitudes about ourselves, can either set limitations upon what it is possible for us to do, or they can enable us to put forth the effort to do many things. It is the same way with our attitudes about people in general. If you have no faith in other human beings, how are they to develop any faith in themselves? People do respond to our attitudes about them. If you expect somebody to be difficult, you put out a vibe that makes it hard for that person NOT to be difficult. BUT, when you think of someone's best qualities, you put out a vibe that encourages them, and when they are around you, they will tend to express those qualities.

Just as this works with individuals, it also works with people in general. I believe that the vast majority of human beings would prefer to live in Peace. The main reason why we aren't living in Peace, is because so many who desire Peace, haven't recognized that the majority of people on this planet, really do want Peace. That is the perception & the attitude that we have to change, and it all begins with recognizing the Power of the Individual.

[brother shamus]

jcldragon,
Mark Twain has a story about political economy you might like right here;
http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/1564/

...It tells me that they lack faith in their fellow human beings, and I think they feel that way, because they also lack faith in themselves. When you have a good idea of how much power to shape events around you that you really do have, then you have a great deal of faith in yourself. This attitude enables you to take on large projects, and implement them. Without it, you wouldn't even try.

Our attitudes about ourselves, can either set limitations upon what it is possible for us to do, or they can enable us to put forth the effort to do many things. It is the same way with our attitudes about people in general. If you have no faith in other human beings, how are they to develop any faith in themselves? People do respond to our attitudes about them. If you expect somebody to be difficult, you put out a vibe that makes it hard for that person NOT to be difficult. BUT, when you think of someone's best qualities, you put out a vibe that encourages them, and when they are around you, they will tend to express those qualities.

Just as this works with individuals, it also works with people in general. I believe that the vast majority of human beings would prefer to live in Peace. The main reason why we aren't living in Peace, is because so many who desire Peace, haven't recognized that the majority of people on this planet, really do want Peace. That is the perception & the attitude that we have to change, and it all begins with recognizing the Power of the Individual.It seems to be the order of the day to sell ourselves short. Cultural programing, and coporate marketing, have caused us to doubt and second guess all of our decisions, to have a poor self image so we will consume more to be 'liked' and 'popular' instead of just being ourselves and being accepted for that alone. Celebrating our diversity and learning from each others differences and unique perspectives will draw us towards peace.

Unfortunatly sterotypes and grudges are keeping us in a war state. We all know that it is not right to kill, the people, or the planet, yet the 'rulers' procede with the making of the bombs. Once made they have to be used because their shelf life is limited and they will need to be replaced. (pardon my digressive cynicism)

We all know that the time is limited with global warming, pollution of air, water, and food.

We need to find the others and look for the strength to right action and don't give up hope.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Head to the Mountains.The Mountains of Bush.

[lovemanifest]

When in doubt,
choose love, compassion, curiosity, and authenticity.
Works like a charm.

[albente]

It is interesting to see how this forum (especially at the beginning of the thread) catches on to 'doomerism'. It seems to be a common phenomena these days and prevalent among the most rational amongst us especially the so called PeakOilers (which I am a declared one myself). However I am not a doomer, hence I left the forum there to look for those capable to 'cancel the apocalypse'.
random PO excerpt (http://www.peakoil.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=22628)
http://www.artagents.de/daten/kuenstler/ene-liis_semper/bilder/gross/ene-liis_semper_1oasis.jpg

[Zehn]

I would like to start by saying hello to everyone. This is my first post on the forum (just registered).

The one thing that I would emphasize is that governments and institutions don't change the world, individuals do. Therefore it's our individual responsibility to demand this new world for ourselves. Once we empower ourselves and live as an example, the rest will take care of itself. This is how I feel our collective vision can be realized...

[lovemanifest]

Yes! Humanity first has to come to the understanding that it doesn't need to be led. I'm with V.

[craazyman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by albente:
[QB] hence I left the forum there to look for those capable to 'cancel the apocalypse'. [/URL]

Agent Smith, one of the posters here, cancelled the apocalypse last month. I can't recall the specific thread but you can look up the post.

I do recall posting a thank you. It's a great relief not to have that hanging over our heads anymore.

Peak Oil has already been cancelled. It was totally manufactured by hedge funds long oil futures and they have since sold their positions at considerable profit. Have you looked at natural gas prices over the past 6 months? Hmmm. Just food for thought.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Lord CM,I really didn't understand what you are saying about natural gas prices.As I remember They are close to five fity now.That'a fairly cheap.
Wait for a snowstorm up there my friend and you will see them almost double.
I bought Dvn last week and would have made a tidy profit if I had sold it two days ago.
I think wmb is a good buy because I think some big oil company will buy them out before long,I hope.

[craazyman]

Isaiah, I'm kicking myself for not jumping on FTEK when it was under $11 last month (over $15 now) it would have been a nice trade. But I've worked way to hard for my money to risk losing it now. I still think the market's gonna crater big time this fall/winter. We'll see. I think Iran will work out OK and Iraq will kind of fade away, but inflation and housing are gonna be bad. I think.

Natural Gas was over $15 per million BTU at the Henry Hub in Louisiana last winter, at the height of the shortage hysteria. Now it's about $5. In truth, it's always a dice roll. No hurricanes yet, so that's helped drive it down.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Lord CM,thats one of the wonderful things about Oklahoma.Shallow oil,gas,and coal.
You could literally run a town and pay dividends to the local populous if you set it up right.
That's basicallt the idea I keep hollaring to all you "enlightened" individuals.
McIntosh County-appx-a third of it is Lake Eufaula-Oklahoma is in the midst of the Corp of Engineers returning the lake to the "people".
A tremendous opportunity for some endowed enlightened group of people.

No Lord CM.A large portion of my portfolio is gas and oil and I think a "litle" hurricane through Galveston would be good for all of us followed by the onset of another ice age.LOL.The South shall rise again.

[ September 08, 2006, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: Isaiah Mpski ]

[nyk]

Aneurysm wrote:

I'm a fucking barista trying to make something of a career in film (not traditionally but through making subversive and intellectually engaging films). But if Pinchbeck is right and we're going to see the worst of all this in two years, and a complete cataclysmic shift in 6 years, then is there any point to me doing any of this?

Should I just abandon it all and try to learn some useful skills before the shit hits the fan, put a bullet in my brain, or what?
I don't think anyone knows, really, how this is
going to play out. I knew that America was on
the gangplank before 9/11, but I had no idea that
the sword would fall in such a cinematic manner,
and that the most penetrating effects would be
in the psychic realm.

Interestingly enough, it was because of my
realization and acceptance that Q is manifesting
which liberated me to fully take up music again
a year and a half ago. There is something about
the adversity and strangeness of this time that
emboldens me to say fuck it, I am going to pick
up my axe again and produce music with 13 times
the gusto I ever did before. And so I am. It
doesn't matter to me whether or not this venture
is interrupted by Quetzalcoatlic consequence.
The very threat itself makes me want to play
all the more.

I think - I know - there is a whole shitload of
stuff occurring, on many, many levels of exist-
ence and awareness. There are multiplicities
of contour and shade to this affair, most of
which are far more subtle, and perhaps more
impacting, than tsunamis. Furthermore, this is
not something happening 'to' us. It is something
happening within us, something we are ourselves
hatching, to one degree of awareness or another.

So, my advice [to myself at least] is to be
bold and be very alive and bring thru whatever
is coming thru as lovingly as I can.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Follow me.

[sidecross]

I am with nyk on this; life is best lived with the hope that you will be alive from moment to moment.

Don Juan spoke of death as being on your left shoulder and to invite him/her into your life knowing that he/she can tap you at any time.

This knowledge combined with plans for the future is the best combination with to move forward.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Amen.

[Zehn]

Word. That concludes this topic.

[Damien]

Aneurysm wrote:

I don't think anyone knows, really, how this is
going to play out. I knew that America was on
the gangplank before 9/11, but I had no idea that
the sword would fall in such a cinematic manner,
and that the most penetrating effects would be
in the psychic realm.

Interestingly enough, it was because of my
realization and acceptance that Q is manifesting
which liberated me to fully take up music again
a year and a half ago. There is something about
the adversity and strangeness of this time that
emboldens me to say fuck it, I am going to pick
up my axe again and produce music with 13 times
the gusto I ever did before. And so I am. It
doesn't matter to me whether or not this venture
is interrupted by Quetzalcoatlic consequence.
The very threat itself makes me want to play
all the more.

I think - I know - there is a whole shitload of
stuff occurring, on many, many levels of exist-
ence and awareness. There are multiplicities
of contour and shade to this affair, most of
which are far more subtle, and perhaps more
impacting, than tsunamis. Furthermore, this is
not something happening 'to' us. It is something
happening within us, something we are ourselves
hatching, to one degree of awareness or another.

So, my advice [to myself at least] is to be
bold and be very alive and bring thru whatever
is coming thru as lovingly as I can.


Agreed, bravo! :)

[suebee]

Recently I have been having the increasingly powerful realization that the "shift" does not have to happen catastrophically at all. We could potentially, as Saul Williams put it, "Cancel the Apocalypse," and skip straight into the Golden Age without the otherwise inevitable harrowing of hell.

It would be a bit like the fall of the Berlin Wall, but on an exponentially larger and deeper level - in which all of the "mind-forged manacles" as Blake called them suddenly fall away, because we are done with them.

One aspect of this is that those of us who have been thinking about this transformation or noospheric activation, and in a sense preparing the "morphogenetic field" for this shift in consciousness, have to work harder on ourselves - we have to abolish our deep desire for some kind of cosmic come-uppance.

By this I mean that a lot of people in the radical and progressive cultural realm, on some level, are actively looking forward to the destruction of the present system and then a truly horrendous and volatile passage before we potentially come out the other side. What underlies this is an old-fashioned Christian notion, that our civilization needs to do "penance" for our "sins," before we can go forward. It also suits some deep interior wiring for catharsis - like the bloody spectacles performed in the Roman coliseum.

But even these deep inner processes can be examined for what they are - shadow projections.

I am putting my intention into a different potential outcome - a massive and sudden raising of the collective intelligence of the species, as a natural and instinctive reaction to this critical moment.

I agree with the Dalai Lama that all anyone wants is a better life - if we can show the worst apparatchik in the Bush regime how to achieve a better life, with more love and generosity and meaning, they can make a switch in an instant.




perfect example - cormac mccarthy wins the pulitzer....

[willoweyes]

Suebee, i think cormac wants the sweet life as much as anyone.

[suebee]

some think the sweet life will take 72 virgins; some want the white robe; some obviously are waiting for the big bang redux.

[craazyman]

I'll take the 72 virgins and a white robe and I'll have my own big bang. Whoahahahaha!

[suebee]

we'll put you in charge of the entertainment, c-man.

[stfrequency]

By this I mean that a lot of people in the radical and progressive cultural realm, on some level, are actively looking forward to the destruction of the present system and then a truly horrendous and volatile passage before we potentially come out the other side.


you got me... I've been chastising myself lately about this, catching my thoughts and my observations drifting towards the worst-case scenario side of ever headline and statistic. I just saw this posting and I was kind of waiting to be called-out as such. What mostly gets me going on the doomsday thinking is the ecological collapse ramping up -- it really does seem out of our society's ability to control without catastrophic results... but perhaps I should stop dwelling on these subjects? I am torn.

Here's a dilemma I've been facing: against all the bleak fact-stacking of peak-oilers like Kunstler, my rational mind coils up in fear and chides me to "be prepared" for what seems inevitable. Yet I also am loathe to construct my life around fear -- to purchase a plot of land in upstate NY and a couple of shotguns... not my cuppa. So, what to do, then, with these precious few years? One thing that troubles me often is where I am living, metro Atlanta -- a sprawling, racially-tense, gentrification turbine of wanton development and ubercommercial manifest-destiny. Peak-oilers would call it ground zero for energy-depleted social turmoil. I rent a house, am unmarried, and work as a freelancer -- all things orchestrated to allow me to cut-and-run, as it were, but I've had no hints as to where I should go. In the meantime, I've met an incredible group of people over the past year who've facilitated many amazing spiritual leaps together, and I realize there is work to be done here...

I guess in a larger sense, I want to feel that I am preparing for the transformations on the horizon, however brilliant or baleful they turn out to be. I pay close attention to my intuition (which is leading me to my first Burning Man this year) but I also feel the nervous rush of the calendar pages turning week by week... I will say that for the past year, I have grown very cognizant of the changes afoot... my mind is nearly always operating in these higher thought patterns -- sometimes I think perhaps that is enough...]

I will, however, work harder to turn my heart towards hope...

;)
st

[suebee]

many people are right where you are stf. finding water and land and preparing seems like abandoning the real work but its also true many people do not want to wake up. ive been going to a house on a hill for two years and cannot get anyone (upwards of 20 people (that i really like) playing music and smok:cool: ing) to recycle or be somewhat conscious of their use of styrofoam, etc. what to do? and the electricity use there is probably the size of a small city. what to do? i too think about my neices and nephews and their children. it's hard to get clear on this issue.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Just send a little money back to Oklahoma so you'll have a secure place to flee.
Most people I've talked with from California have some sort of family ties to Oklahoma.
How bout you SB?


And you STF,if you decide to head down I-40 be sure to get off on exit 262 in eastern Oklahoma and really take a gander of heaven on Lake Eufaula.