The Psychedelic Experience by Timothy Leary, Ralph Metzner, and Richard Alpert

[Keith Sandberg]

This is just a thread to discuss the book, obviously, and those subjects to which can/are grouped to it, i.e. the Bardo Thodol.

I'll start with this: anyone know why they refer to only 3 bardos? From the limited material I've gathered I've read that there are 6 bardos, and that what is labeled in TPE as the first bardo (Chikhai) is actually the 4th bardo etc.

Why? As far as I know TPE isn't actually based upon the entire Bardo Thodol, as a complete english translation wasn't yet made...TPE was only based upon....I can't find my source right now but what I believe to have read was that the W. Y. Evans-Wentz translation was only of chapter 9 (?)....any thoughts anyone?



...The W.Y. Evans-Wentz translation was of only 3 chapters of the book.

The Psychedelic Experience can't be counted out just yet by me. I have not read the whole book yet (busy with more interesting books such as Jeffrey Eugenides' The Virgin Suicides and no Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged), and yesterday I resumed and read the description for Vision 6: 'The Retinal Circus' of the 2nd Bardo, and it completely described one of my recent mushroom trips.

So I'm still a little open to the book. For now.

[Ogmin]

Howdy

There are only three bardos addressed in TPE because the other three have to do with life in the lived body rather than the between-lives state which correspond in some ways to the psychedelic experience. The other three, not covered in TPE are the bardo of the waking state, dreams, and meditation.

A more complete introduction to the zhi-khro teachings of which the bardo thodrol is excerpted is Natural Liberation (http://www.wisdompubs.org/pages/display.lasso?-KeyValue=85&-Token.Action=&image=1) with an excellent commentary by Gyatrul Rinpoche.

[drew hempel]

Outlawing it doesn't concern me so much. I experimented with Salvia while doing the pineal gland full-lotus practice. I first chewed. Then smoked. Then smoked stronger stuff and I had no visions but kept blacking out, coming to with the sensation that my whole life had been a dream. Finally I came to while maintaining self-awareness and heard myself saying, "my third eye is finally open!" The room was pitch dark, a hat was over my heads, my eyes were closed and I held my hands out: rainbows around my hands. Then the drug wore off but I dreamt about these Mola fabrics from the Kuna people who smoke pot religiously. Salvia supposedly works like pot.

What I like about salvia is that it's the strongest psychoactive drug and therefore it kicks the ass of the other visionary drugs, thereby undermining their "spiritual" force. For example there's this dude online who did Salvia and DMT at the same time -- the machine elves of DMT were taken over by the Salvia elves, so that the DMT elves had Salvia elf body parts and clothes. Others online who've done DMT and Salvia say that Salvia is stronger -- and that's the real threat of Salvia.

Modern science states that visionary drugs just shut down the thalamus so that the cerebellum directly downloads phosphenes into the prefrontal cortex. With the magnetized pineal gland I was able to over-ride this process so that no visions occurred although a nice aura experience happened. That's why the Bushmen didn't use drugs for healing -- alchemy creates electromagnetic fields while drugs are still in the realm of electrochemical energy.

[Isaiah Mpski]

That's what Peter,Paul, and Fairy say too you American prophet and all=consuming guide.
Daniel.You're going to lose alot of respect from me if you don't show up physicaly for MM's birthday.And that generally means hard times or worse.
You've got the backing.

A Comanche General.:eek:

[drew hempel]

And most importantly was my reread of Dr. Richard Katz' amazing book: BOILING ENERGY (on the Bushmen trance healing).

So he says that a "pulse" of 8 beats per second is KEY to the trance healing music (without any mention of how this would create an alpha wave entrainment).

He says that this is not the "beat" of the music but the overall total of all the voice inputs and clapping, etc. This is called "N/um music" so that the music creates the boiling energy or n/um.

The n/um must be concentrated in the "gambesi" which is the same as the lower tan tien in Taoism and this is done by shooting "energy arrows" by the healer into the healing trainee. This is also done by Taoist qigong master Chunyi Lin.

Anyway new healers mainly have to work through the pain of the N/um -- which means their bodies will pulsate -- shiver -- contort -- out of control. Also new healers have to follow a strict food taboo -- no meat! No western food.

Also psychoactive plants are sometimes used to go along with food if it is eaten -- like meat.

So if you eat the wrong food it destroys the N/um -- this is exactly what I experience day-to-day the n/um pulsations and the problem of "normal" food. I usually have to eat lots of garlic since I've been eating meat, etc.

Also the healers that turn into lions can only be seen as lions by other healers -- this would be the equivalent of the yin spirit in Taoism. Supposedly a very strong healer can create a physical lion seen by others (which would be the Taoist yang spirit).

Finally when !kia is achieved (samadhi) then a hole is experienced in the body -- from the head straight down -- about 2 to 3 inches across. This is also described in Taoism -- it's the central channel but also the creation of the astral spirit. It's taught to be visualized as a silver thread or even a clear beam of light.

[Isaiah Mpski]

I don't know Drew,perhaps sometimes,somewhere in this University of Chaos and Irony there must be some predictability.

Take for example you had been sitting under the bridge the day it felt.You might have had a second or so to think about things.
Not so for Galveston.They are watching that "bridge" as it slowly crawls toward them.
And Houston?The city that wanted to be greater than Galveston.It'll be worse than Harlem or east L.A. next week my friends.
I succesfully prophesized(sic) the little quack in SF last week.

"I left my Hart,in San Fransisco"

James V. Hart of Contact fame.

I wouldn't want to make him mad as I'm sure he has a few favors owed to him by Clinton's gang,and believe me it is a gang of dedicated whatevers,anyway any of you New Yorkers want to get hold" of him,I'll send you his address or telephone number.
He said he would help 'scriptisize" my next writing excurtion:The Little Book.

Oh,we were talking about Galveston.
Texas has always sent their "sickest" prisoners to the 10-15 hospital complex in Galveston for incarceration.
Most of the prisoners have aids,Hep C,or cancer and it's kinda easy to guard them seeing Galveston is an island.
What if all those souls got loose at once?
I spent five years there.
I know here in Oklahoma,if Martial law is declared,as it will be in Galveston and Harris counties at least,those prisoners who have been sentenced to die or supposed to be executed forthwith.no ifs and or buts.
Intersting developments,these catstrophes.Especially in Galveston and SF.:eek:

I talked with MM about this and she kinda agrees we should probably we should all head toward Galveston or Agua Milpa(and check out the peyote fields and my 12 -15 gold mines-we'll narropw it down to 3 or 4) with some essential relief.

I hope you decide to fly in SB.That way the wine won't get too shook up.And Willow,we are only a 3hr drive from you.918-577-1299.