jay weidner on fulcanelli, 2012, etc.

[daniel]

I wonder if others here have checked out weidner, or paul laviolette?

http://www.rense.com/general8/ev.htm

[Thom]

I recall you wrote on this board that members of various government agencies may have made shadowy semi-concious magic level deals with Ahrimanic forces in return for temporal power. This is similar to Weidners claim about the setians and the illuminati. Others have made like claims. Recurring nightmares, these things need to be taken seriously - but are they literally real? The nondual paradox is one I keep stubbing my toe on. Of course, we should just pick up a rattle and plunge in - integrate the magic-mythic and the rational by dancing them both. Why stay a wall flower?

All the dualities of the left and right brain hemispheres, Ahriman and Lucifer, Set and Osiris, Heaven and Hell, Severity and Mercy, the CIA and Al Qaeda united in the corpus callosum and DMT producing pineal gland of song, ayahuasca, lovemaking, laughter and ecstasy - oh look, asteroid-storm-shooting-stars: us!

I do think though that the main pulse of the galactic alignment will be psychic - what I referred to elsewhere as spontaneous kundalini rising for all (free) - and that those tuned in to the myspace of their ipods instead of their actual psychic environment will be overthrown, beheaded. One mans dragon is another mans damsel.

I'd not read Weidner before, though I have read Fulcanelli - and found it hard going. I think the notion that people should gather in places of safety to be mistaken - follow the signs in your own story, not a rally call to meet at Stonhenge, and you'll be where you need to be. As I understand it LaViolette's theories are pretty flawed - but i've not checked it out for myself so.

Interesting article. Who was Fulcanelli indeed...?

[waterthere]

Weidner's onto something or other that resonates with my experience but he takes it too far into fiction. In the least, he's done a good job of distilling the collective newage paranoia into an entertaining plotline but his facts are rather skewed...

"We wondered how anyone could have been able to predict the future in the way that John boldly tries?"

Indeed...

I emailed the link to a friend and this was his response:



TERRESTRIAL IMPACT CRATER LIST

Acraman, Australia Location: 32°1'S, 135°27'E Diameter: 160.000 km Age: 570.00 million years

Ames Location: 36°15'N, 98°10'W Diameter: 16.000 km Age: 470.00 +- 30.00 million years

Amguid Location: 26°5'N, 4°23'E Diameter: 0.450 km Age: 100,000 years

Aouelloul, Mauritania Location: 20°15'N, 12°41'W Diameter: 0.390 km Age: 3.10 +- 0.30 million years

Araguainha Dome Location: 16°46'S, 52°59'W Diameter: 40.000 km Age: 249.00 +- 19.00 million years

Avak Location: 71°15'N, 156°38'W Diameter: 12.000 km Age: 100.00 +- 5.00 million years

Azuara, Spain Location: 41°10'N, 0°55'W Diameter: 30.000 km Age: 130.00 million years

B.P. Structure Location: 25°19'N, 24°20'E Diameter: 2.800 km Age: 120.00 million years

Barringer, Arizona Location: 35°2'N, 111°1'W Diameter: 1.186 km Age: 49,000 years

BeaverHhead Location: 44°36'N, 113°0'W Diameter: 60.000 km Age: 600.00 million years

Bee Bluff Location: 29°2'N, 99°51'W Diameter: 2.400 km Age: 40.00 million years

Beyenchime-Salaatin Location: 71°50'N, 123°30'E Diameter: 8.000 km Age: 65.00 million years

Bigach Location: 48°30'N, 82°0'E Diameter: 7.000 km Age: 6.00 +- 3.00 million years

Boltysh, Ukraine Location: 48°45'N, 32°10'E Diameter: 25.000 km Age: 88.00 +- 3.00 million years

Bosumtwi, Ghana Location: 6°32'N, 1°25'W Diameter: 10.500 km Age: 1.30 +- 0.2 million years

Boxhole, North Territory, Australia Location: 22°37'S, 135°12'E Diameter: 0.170 km Age: 30,000 years

Brent, Onterio, Canada Location: 46°5'N, 78°29'W Diameter: 3.800 km Age: 450.00 +- 30.00 million years

Campo Del Cielo, Argentina Location: 27°38'S, 61°42'W Diameter: 0.050 km Age: 0 years

Carswell, Saskatchewan, Canada Location: 58°27'N, 109°30'W Diameter: 39.000 km Age: 115.00 +- 10.00 million years

Charlevoix, Canada Location: 47°32'N, 70°18'W Diameter: 54.000 km Age: 357.00 +- 15.00 million years

Chicxulub, Mexico Location: 21°20'N, 89°30'W Diameter: 300.000 km Age: 64.98 +- 0.05 million years

Chiyli Location: 49°10'N, 57°51'E Diameter: 5.500 km Age: 46.00 +- 7.00 million years

Clearwater Lake East, Quebec, Canada Location: 56°5'N, 74°7'W Diameter: 22.000 km Age: 290.00 +- 20.00 million years

Clearwater Lake West, Quebec, Canada Location: 56°13'N, 74°30'W Diameter: 32.000 km Age: 290.00 +- 20.00 million years

Connolly Basin, Australia Location: 23°32'S, 124°45'E Diameter: 9.000 km Age: 60.00 million years

Crooked Creek, Missouri Location: 37°50'N, 91°23'W Diameter: 7.000 km Age: 320.00 +- 80.00 million years

Dalgaranga, West Australia Location: 27°45'S, 117°5'E Diameter: 0.021 km Age: 30,000 years

Decaturville, Missouri Location: 37°54'N, 92°43'W Diameter: 6.000 km Age: 300.00 million years

Deep Bay, Saskatchewan, Canada Location: 56°24'N, 102°59'W Diameter: 13.000 km Age: 100.00 +- 50.00 million years

Dellen, Sweden Location: 61°55'N, 16°39'E Diameter: 15.000 km Age: 110.00 +- 2.70 million years

Des Plaines, Illinois Location: 42°3'N, 87°52'W Diameter: 8.000 km Age: 280.00 million years

Dobele Location: 56°35'N, 23°15'E Diameter: 4.500 km Age: 300.00 +- 35.00 million years

Eagle Butte Location: 49°42'N, 110°35'W Diameter: 19.000 km Age: 65.00 million years

El'Gygytgyn, Russia Location: 67°30'N, 172°5'E Diameter: 18.000 km Age: 3.50 +- 0.50 million years

Flynn Creek, Tennessee Location: 36°17'N, 85°40'W Diameter: 3.550 km Age: 360.00 +- 20.00 million years

Garnos Location: 60°39'N, 9°0'E Diameter: 5.000 km Age: 500.00 +- 10.00 million years

Glasford, Illinois Location: 40°36'N, 89°47'W Diameter: 4.000 km Age: 430.00 million years

Glover Bluff Location: 43°58'N, 89°32'W Diameter: 3.000 km Age: 500.00 million years

Goat Paddock Location: 18°20'S, 126°40'E Diameter: 5.100 km Age: 50.00 million years

Gosses Bluff, North Territory, Australia Location: 23°50'S, 132°19'E Diameter: 22.000 km Age: 142.50 +- 0.50 million years

Gow Lake, Canada Location: 56°27'N, 104°29'W Diameter: 4.000 km Age: 250.00 million years

Gusev Location: 48°21'N, 40°14'E Diameter: 3.500 km Age: 65.00 million years

Haughton, Canada Location: 75°22'N, 89°41'W Diameter: 20.5 km Age: 21.5 +- 1.00 million years

Haviland Location: 37°35'N, 99°10'W Diameter: 0.015 km Age: 0 years

Henbury, North Territory, Australia Location: 24°35'S, 133°9'E Diameter: 0.157 km Age: 10,000 years

Holleford, Onterio, Canada Location: 44°28'N, 76°38'W Diameter: 2.350 km Age: 550.00 +- 100.00 million years

Ile Rouleau Location: 50°41'N, 73°53'W Diameter: 4.000 km Age: 300.00 million years

Ilumetsa Location: 57°58'N, 25°25'E Diameter: 0.080 km Age: 0 years

Ilyinets Location: 49°6'N, 29°12'E Diameter: 4.500 km Age: 395.00 +- 5.00 million years

Janisjarvi, Russia Location: 61°58'N, 30°55'E Diameter: 14.000 km Age: 698.00 +- 22.00 million years

Kaalijarvi Location: 58°24'N, 22°40'E Diameter: 0.110 km Age: 0 +- 0 years

Kaluga, Russia Location: 54°30'N, 36°15'E Diameter: 15.000 km Age: 380.00 +- 10.00 million years

Kamensk Location: 48°20'N, 40°15'E Diameter: 25.000 km Age: 65.00 +- 2.00 million years

Kara, Russia Location: 69°5'N, 64°18'E Diameter: 65.000 km Age: 73.00 +- 3.00 million years

Kara-Kul, USSR Location: 39°1'N, 73°27'E Diameter: 52.000 km Age: 25.00 million years

Kardla Location: 58°59'N, 22°40'E Diameter: 4.000 km Age: 455.00 million years

Karla Location: 54°54'N, 48°0'E Diameter: 12.000 km Age: 10.00 million years

Kelly West Location: 19°56'S, 133°57'E Diameter: 10.000 km Age: 550.00 million years

Kentland, Indiana Location: 40°45'N, 87°24'W Diameter: 13.000 km Age: 300.00 million years

Kursk Location: 51°40'N, 36°0'E Diameter: 5.500 km Age: 250.00 +- 80.00 million years

Lac Couture, Quebec, Canada Location: 60°8'N, 75°20'W Diameter: 8.000 km Age: 430.00 +- 25.00 million years

Lac La Moinerie, Canada Location: 57°26'N, 66°37'W Diameter: 8.000 km Age: 400.00 +- 50.00 million years

Lappajarvi, Finland Location: 63°9'N, 23°42'E Diameter: 17.000 km Age: 77.30 +- 0.40 million years

Lawn Hill Location: 18°40'S, 138°39'E Diameter: 18.000 km Age: 515.00 million years

Liverpool Location: 12°24'S, 134°3'E Diameter: 1.600 km Age: 150.00 +- 70.00 million years

Lockne Location: 63°0'N, 14°48'E Diameter: 7.000 km Age: 540.00 +- 10.00 million years

Logancha, Russia Location: 65°30'N, 95°48'E Diameter: 20.000 km Age: 25.00 +- 20.00 million years

Logoisk Location: 54°12'N, 27°48'E Diameter: 17.000 km Age: 40.00 +- 5.00 million years

Lonar, India Location: 19°59'N, 76°31'E Diameter: 1.830 km Age: 52,000 +- 10,000 years

Macha Location: 59°59'N, 118°0'E Diameter: 0.300 km Age: 10,000 years

Manicouagan, Quebec, Canada Location: 51°23'N, 68°42'W Diameter: 100.000 km Age: 212.00 +- 1.00 million years

Manson, Iowa Location: 42°35'N, 94°31'W Diameter: 35.000 km Age: 65.70 +- 1.00 million years

Marquez Location: 31°17'N, 96°18'W Diameter: 22.000 km Age: 58.00 +- 2.00 million years

Middlesboro, Kentucky Location: 36°37'N, 83°44'W Diameter: 6.000 km Age: 300.00 million years

Mien, Sweden Location: 56°25'N, 14°52'E Diameter: 9.000 km Age: 121.00 +- 2.30 million years

Misarai Location: 54°0'N, 23°54'E Diameter: 5.000 km Age: 395.00 +- 145.00 million years

Mishina Gora Location: 58°40'N, 28°0'E Diameter: 4.000 km Age: 360.00 million years

Mistastin, Labrador, Canada Location: 55°53'N, 63°18'W Diameter: 28.000 km Age: 38.00 +- 4.00 million years

Montagnais Location: 42°53'N, 64°13'W Diameter: 45.000 km Age: 50.50 +- 0.76 million years

Monturaqui, Chile Location: 23°56'S, 68°17'W Diameter: 0.460 km Age: 1.00 million years

Morasko Location: 52°29'N, 16°54'E Diameter: 0.100 km Age: 10,000 years

New Quebec, Quebec, Canada Location: 61°17'N, 73°40'W Diameter: 3.440 km Age: 1.40 +- 0.10 million years

Nicholson Lake, Canada Location: 62°40'N, 102°41'W Diameter: 12.500 km Age: 400.00 million years

Oasis Location: 24°35'N, 24°24'E Diameter: 11.500 km Age: 120.00 million years

Obolon Location: 49°30'N, 32°55'E Diameter: 15.000 km Age: 215.00 +- 25.00 million years

Odessa, Texas Location: 31°45'N, 102°29'W Diameter: 0.168 km Age: 50,000 years

Ouarkziz, Algeria Location: 29°0'N, 7°33'W Diameter: 3.500 km Age: 70.00 million years

Piccaninny Location: 17°32'S, 128°25'E Diameter: 7.000 km Age: 360.00 million years

Pilot Lake, Canada Location: 60°17'N, 111°1'W Diameter: 5.80 km Age: 445.00 +- 2.00 million years

Popigai Location: 71°30'N, 111°0'E Diameter: 100.000 km Age: 35.00 +- 5.00 million years

Presqu'Ile Location: 49°43'N, 78°48'W Diameter: 12.000 km Age: 500.00 million years

Pretoria Salt Pan, South Africa Location: 25°24'S, 28°5'E Diameter: 1.130 km Age: 200,000 years

Puchezh-Katunki Location: 57°6'N, 43°35'E Diameter: 80.000 km Age: 220.00 +- 10.00 million years

Ragozinka, Russia Location: 58°18'N, 62°0'E Diameter: 9.000 km Age: 55.00 +- 5.00 million years

Red Wing Location: 47°36'N, 103°33'W Diameter: 9.000 km Age: 200.00 +- 25.00 million years

Riachao Ring Location: 7°43'S, 46°39'W Diameter: 4.500 km Age: 200.00 million years

Ries, Germany Location: 48°53'N, 10°37'E Diameter: 24.000 km Age: 14.8 +- 1.00 million years

Rio Cuarto Location: 30°52'S, 64°14'W Diameter: 4.500 km Age: 100,000 years

Rochechouart, France Location: 45°50'N, 0°56'E Diameter: 23.000 km Age: 186.00 +- 8.00 million years

Roter Kamm, Namibia Location: 27°46'S, 16°18'E Diameter: 2.500 km Age: 5.0 +- 0.30 million years

Rotmistrovka Location: 49°0'N, 32°0'E Diameter: 2.700 km Age: 140.00 +- 20.00 million years

Saaksjarvi, Finland Location: 61°24'N, 22°24'E Diameter: 5.000 km Age: 514.00 +- 12.00 million years

Saint Martin, Canada Location: 51°47'N, 98°32'W Diameter: 40.000 km Age: 220.0 +- 32.00 million years

Serpent Mound, Ohio Location: 39°2'N, 83°24'W Diameter: 6.40 km Age: 320.00 million years

Serra Da Cangalha Location: 8°5'S, 46°52'W Diameter: 12.000 km Age: 300.00 million years

Shunak, Kazakhstan Location: 47°12'N, 72°42'E Diameter: 3.100 km Age: 12.00 +- 5.00 million years

Sierra Madera, Texas Location: 30°36'N, 102°55'W Diameter: 13.000 km Age: 100.00 million years

Sikhote Alin, USSR Location: 46°7'N, 134°40'E Diameter: 0.027 km Age: 0 years

Siljan, Sweden Location: 61°2'N, 14°52'E Diameter: 55.000 km Age: 368.00 +- 1.10 million years

Slate Islands Location: 48°40'N, 87°0'W Diameter: 30.000 km Age: 350.00 million years

Sobolev Location: 46°18'N, 138°52'E Diameter: 0.053 km Age: 0 years

Soderfjarden, Finland Location: 63°0'N, 21°35'E Diameter: 6.000 km Age: 550.00 million years

Spider, Australia Location: 16°44'S, 126°5'E Diameter: 13.000 km Age: 570.00 million years

Steen River, Canada Location: 59°31'N, 117°37'W Diameter: 25.000 km Age: 95.00 +- 7.00 million years

Steinheim, Germany Location: 48°40'N, 10°4'E Diameter: 3.800 km Age: 14.80 +- 0.70 million years

Strangways Location: 15°12'S, 133°35'E Diameter: 25.000 km Age: 470.00 million years

Sudbury, Ontario, Canada Location: 46°36'N, 81°11'W Diameter: 200.000 km Age: 1850.00 +- 3.00 million years

Tabun-Khara-Obo Location: 44°6'N, 109°36'E Diameter: 1.300 km Age: 3.00 million years

Talemzane, Algeria Location: 33°19'N, 4°2'E Diameter: 1.750 km Age: 3.00 million years

Teague, Australia Location: 25°52'S, 120°53'E Diameter: 30.000 km Age: 1685.00 +- 5.00 million years

Tenoumer, Mauritania Location: 22°55'N, 10°24'W Diameter: 1.900 km Age: 2.50 +- 0.50 million years

Ternovka Location: 48°1'N, 33°5'E Diameter: 12.000 km Age: 280.00 +- 10.00 million years

Tin Bider Location: 27°36'N, 5°7'E Diameter: 6.000 km Age: 70.00 million years

Tookoonooka Location: 27°0'S, 143°0'E Diameter: 55.000 km Age: 128.00 +- 5.00 million years

Tvaren Location: 58°46'N, 17°25'E Diameter: 2.000 km Age: 0 years

Upheaval Dome, Utah Location: 38°26'N, 109°54'W Diameter: 5.000 km Age: 65.00 million years

Ust-Kara Location: 69°18'N, 65°18'E Diameter: 25.000 km Age: 73.00 +- 3.00 million years

Vargeao Dome Location: 26°50'S, 52°7'W Diameter: 12.000 km Age: 70.00 million years

Veevers Location: 22°58'S, 125°22'E Diameter: 0.080 km Age: 1.00 million years

Vepriaj Location: 55°6'N, 24°36'E Diameter: 8.000 km Age: 160.00 +- 30.00 million years

Vredefort, South Africa Location: 27°0'S, 27°30'E Diameter: 140.000 km Age: 1970.00 +- 100.00 million years

Wabar, Arabia Location: 21°30'N, 50°28'E Diameter: 0.097 km Age: 10,000 +- 0 years

Wanapitei Lake, Canada Location: 46°45'N, 80°45'W Diameter: 7.500 km Age: 37.00 +- 2.00 million years

Wells Creek, Tennessee Location: 36°23'N, 87°40'W Diameter: 14.000 km Age: 200.00 +- 100.00 million years

West Hawk Lake, Canada Location: 49°46'N, 95°11'W Diameter: 3.150 km Age: 100.00 +- 50.00 million years

Wolfe Creek, West Australia Location: 19°18'S, 127°46'E Diameter: 0.875 km Age: 300,000 years

Zapadnaya Location: 49°44'N, 29°0'E Diameter: 4.000 km Age: 115.00 +- 10.00 million years

Zeleny Gai Location: 48°42'N, 32°54'E Diameter: 2.500 km Age: 120.00 +- 20.00 million years

Zhamanshin, Kazakhstan Location: 48°24'N, 60°58'E Diameter: 13.500 km Age: 900,000 +- 100,000 years

Weidner's idea that Earth's miraculously escaped the influence of space debris is highly exaggerated or ridiculously relative.

Let's not go to Cusco after all...

Maybe we should go to Costco instead...? :rolleyes:

[ba caracus]

Sorry, but thom mentionened left and right brain hemispheres, and it reminded me of something I wanted to ask you guys for a while. I saw a speech by Sir Lawrence Gradner, about his book, the lost secrets of the sacred arc. he mentions very convincingly about the long time use of what is called 'white gold' i believe. Gold broken down, so that it contains no physical chemical matter. (I think, sorry but was a while ago, and science not my strongest). Anyway, they found that if it was put into sunlight, it would shift to another dimension. This took them a while to realise, because it would simply disappear. Also, (i dont want to sound rediculuous) but the man with the world record for the greatest memory (sounds dubious i know) has done test and found this white gold substance, if it is at a substance creates a balance between the left and right hemispheres in the brain. Therefore allowing a person greater mental power/balance. Becuase at the moment we use the right predominantly apparently.

I searched but couldnt find anything mentioned on this site, but I might be wrong... so im sorry if I am, and kindly link me there. Otherwise I'd be intrigues of what knowledge you have.

this was all fascinating to me. He goes further into egyptian use, and that it can make things weightless.... so let me know. thx

[nanouk]

isn't 'white gold' actually salt?

[Thom]

Did no-one else choose the time to read the article? I thought it was a fascinating poem anyway.

Ba Caracus, I think white gold can be creatively interpreted as DMT, if you take Strassmans work into account. But of course, exercise your own judgement.

What do you think of the references to mana in the Old Testament? Have you read Lorca's 'theory and play of the duende?' I think there are important similarities.

I intend to write my own 'article' about 5MeO and so on, but i keep getting abducted by aliens at the crucial moment. No worries though - I'll find a way.

[Buzz]

I only know a little about them. Weidner connects the Cross at Hendaye (Spain? coast of France?) near the Basques with an Inca or otherwise Andean culture, a cross that once stood in Peru? Columbia?, can't remember exactly. He gets into something about a network of caves in the Andeas, great caverns??? He is a fairly mythical oriented guy, but I like that. At one point he was seeing a lot of symbolism in the Lord of the Rings and current events.

Weidner had something to do with the DVD Healing the Luminous Body featuring Alberto Villaldo.

John Major Jenkins referenced Weidner and the Cross, ties it in with 2012.

Whitley Strieber sees parallels in Fulcanelli and someone he calls "the Master of the Key".

[ March 14, 2006, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: Buzz ]

[Physical Necessity]

Originally posted by waterthere:
Weidner's idea that Earth's miraculously escaped the influence of space debris is highly exaggerated or ridiculously relative. That's quite the comprehensive list. :eek:

We certainly haven't been influenced by space debris to the point that our planet has produced an atmosphere conducive to our own lives...

Was it being proposed that some conspiracy was responsible for the lack of collisions? :D I guess I'll have to start reading some of this stuff, I'm not too familiar with these authors or subject matters. ;)

PN

[Dna]

Regarding craters,

Earth has relatively few. They do not persist for long because of plate tectonics, the process in which the face of the earth is renewed over geologic time. Mars has no plate tectonics. Therefore the face of Mars has more craters. It is also closer to the asteroid belt. Venus, our other nearest neighbour has even less cratering because of an even more geologically active surface than our own.

Regarding the rocks and ash,

They would have to travel at the same speed as the light from the hopi 'blue star' at the centre of the universe. This is impossible. Space is very empty, hence the name space - where would all this rock and dust come from?

This is largely bunk. We definitely need to revere our natural world more though. We need more sacredness in our lives!

[snow]

i like Weidner, but with reservations. What kind of enduring spirituality, really, is he suggesting?

Christianity is not the only religion to put the divine feminine at the altar.

This period of heaven on earth as a climax to thhe time of great tribulation lasts one thousand years. And then what. Back into the mixer wagon. Worlds evolve and decay. As long as there is a conceptual manifestation, suffering will be present. It matters not how flowery your world is, eventually it will wither up and die.

Developing the juices in your pituitary is excellent advice, and will bring heaven on earth to anyone who cultivates their divine palace within.

Zoe says these are interesting times because they will show us what is truly revolutionary.

[daniel]

i have heard the suggestion that certain popular writers on occult matters, such as Lawrence Gardner (who appears to hose a wide number of pompous-sounding titles and degrees), may actually be spreading intentional disinformation, and are linked to Free Masons or other similar groups, doing their bidding for them.

Once again, this may or may not be a fully conscious arrangement.

Agreements may be entered into during reduced states of consciousness, such as dreams.

[Dna]

Agreements may be entered into during reduced states of consciousness, It's easy to skip over the small print, especially when you are drained, tired, greedy or consumed with some other heavy emotion.

How can an individual tell if they have made such an agreement, and how might one get out of such an agreement?

Dna.

[Thom]

Much of the speculation is based on Fulcanelli's chapter on Hendaye in 'The Mystery of the Cathedrals.' Heres a decent overview of the Fulcanelli enigma and the origin of the Hendaye interpretation:

http://www.vincentbridges.com/Fulcanelli%20and%20the%20Mystery%20.htm

[Dna]

That's freaky, Manning.

Fortunately I don't have long to wait to see if this prediction comes true!

Peace.

Dna.

[Thom]

Dna, "How can an individual tell if they have made such an agreement, and how might one get out of such an agreement?"

A crucial question for our times, I think. My own (provisional) understanding is that we've all made such agreements...we all live in this sweet cradle of illusions, and we all benefit from it immensley, on the surface. We all sat our exams. We need to grow up, of course, and step outside the nest - take complete responsibility for our continued survival. We need to be able to not only connect with the source of conciousness, but also find food and water in the desert. Perhaps its the same thing.

By becoming completely physically, emotionally and spiritually independent of our cultural conditioning we create the circumstances for a new science of the spirit...which should be a lot of fun. Maybe I'm guilty of wishful thinking?

[Thom]

Hiya Manning,

You wrote, "I don't suppose it would have been impossible for him to run into some form of esoteric society in England, or have the information delivered direct to his head by his muse."

I've not yet read all of that piece you linked to, but I'd just like to say that I don't believe that Eliot had any links at all to an 'esoteric society.' Much of this kind of thinking is accesible to anybody with an imagination - it exists as a potentiality within every human being, as of course you know.

Eliot was an exceptionally honest man, and refused all of our usual techniques of self-deception. He had a couple of extreme psychic experiences (nervous breakdown) which were completely linked to the whole collapse of western civilization - The great war was the externalisation of Eliots personal crises, and so he found himself in the unenviable situation of sorting out the psychoses of civilization as well as his own: they had the same origin, and so his poems came to occupy a unique place in our culture. He articulated the despair that millions felt. This is why many poets, including Dylan Thomas, half jokingly refer to him as Pope Eliot.

[ March 19, 2006, 01:14 PM: Message edited by: Thom ]

[Dna]

What constellation is the galactic centre in, I wonder? May get the telescope out and have a look see.

Dna.

[daniel]

"As for Jay Weidner, I've apparently quoted him previously and although I'm very fond of that page I do find it a bit annoying that he proposes we're on the verge of a cataclysmic transformation but I have to shell out $29.95 to find out all the details."

Funny!

I find myself in a similar predicament. What should I do? I can't give the book away - not only do I have to eat, I am legally bound to my publisher. But I would like the info to be as widely available as possible.

I am considering creating short animated videos that explain and outline the major ideas.

[Dna]

It looks to me like the absence of independent confirmation for Dr. LaViolette's theories is pretty compelling. I'll wear a tin hat that day, just in case.

Dna.

[Thom]

Well, its GMT 22:30 and I'm still here you'll all no doubt be glad to know. I haven't become an ascended master, or been eaten by aliens. Um, so I thought i'd post at BoTH.

Honestly, I should be an embedded reporter with medicins sans frontieres.

[Gift Horse]

lol you guys.

I did have alot of epiphanies. Does that count?

[Dna]

</font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">All of which suggests to me that if Sgr A released a mammoth gamma-ray burst today -- March 20, 2006 -- it's not going to reach my neighborhood for a very long time. None of which makes the science any less fascinating. </pre>[/QUOTE]If Sgr A emitted a burst today, we would not know it until 25,000 years time.

If Sgr A emitted a burst 25,000 years ago, we would only see it today.

The event being witnessed by Cloud Sgr B2, therefore happened 25,350 years ago. 350 years ago, we would have seen the light reaching us from Sgr A. Any radiation reaching us 350 years ago would have been so weak as to not do any harm.

HTH

Dna.

[daniel]

jenkins suggests in Mayan Cosmogenesis that in passing across the plane of the ecliptic, we might experience a field effect reversal, just as magnetic fields are reversed in the northern and southern hemispheres on Earth.

This is a different concept from the gamma ray idea.

[Humming]

I've read a number of articles that describe the energies at the center of the galaxy that seem to be expanding. I wonder if this is part of what will hapen at 2012?

Gamma-ray afterglow from galactic centre gas clouds reveals prehistoric particle accelerator

http://www.physorg.com/news10882.html

Astrophysicists using the H.E.S.S. gamma-ray telescopes, in Namibia, have announced the detection of very-high-energy gamma rays from huge gas clouds known to pervade the centre of our Galaxy.

These gamma rays are expected to result from the even more energetic cosmic-ray particles, which permeate our entire Galaxy, crashing into the clouds. However, thanks to the extreme sensitivity of the H.E.S.S instrument in this energy range, precise measurements of the intensity and energies of these gamma rays further show that in the central region of our Galaxy these cosmic-ray particles are typically more energetic than those measured falling onto the Earth's atmosphere. Possible reasons why cosmic rays are enhanced and of higher energies at the heart of our Galaxy include the echo of a supernova which exploded some ten thousand years beforehand, or a burst of particle acceleration from the super massive black hole at the very centre of our Galaxy.

Gamma rays resemble normal light or X-rays, but are much more energetic. Visible light has an energy of about one electronvolt (1 eV), in physicist's terms. X-rays are thousands to millions of eV. H.E.S.S. detects very-high-energy gamma-ray photons with an energy of a million million eVs, or one teraelectronvolt. These high-energy gamma rays are quite rare; even for relatively strong astrophysical sources, only about one gamma ray per month hits a square metre at the top of the Earth's atmosphere.

High-energy particles from space continuously bombard the Earth's atmosphere from all directions. Their energies exceed, by far, those that can be reached using man-made particle accelerators. Cosmic rays were discovered in 1912 by Victor Hess, and while they have been extensively studied for almost a century, their origin - often declared as one of the key themes of astrophysics - is still not completely understood. One important early result of the H.E.S.S. experiment was to reveal a supernova explosion shock-wave as a site of intense particle acceleration

In a recent publication in Nature magazine, the international H.E.S.S. collaboration reported the discovery of gamma-ray emission from a complex of gas clouds near the centre of our own Milky Way Galaxy. These giant clouds of hydrogen gas encompass an amount of gas equivalent to 50 million times the mass of the sun. With the highly sensitive H.E.S.S. gamma-ray telescopes, it is possible for the first time to show that these clouds are glowing in very-high-energy gamma rays.

One key issue in our understanding of cosmic rays is their distribution in space. Do they permeate the entire Galaxy uniformly, or do their density and distribution in energy vary depending on one's location in the Galaxy (for example, due to the proximity of cosmic particle accelerators)? Direct measurements of cosmic rays can only taken within our solar system, located about 25,000 light years from the centre of the Galaxy. However, a subterfuge allows astrophysicists to investigate cosmic rays elsewhere in the Galaxy; when a cosmic-ray particle collides with an interstellar gas particle, gamma rays are produced.

The central part of our Galaxy is a complex astronomical zoo, containing examples of every type of exotic object known to astronomers, such as the remnants of supernova explosions and a super-massive black hole. It also contains huge quantities of interstellar gas, which tends to clump into clouds. If gamma rays are detected from the direction of such a gas cloud, scientists can infer the density of cosmic rays at the location of the cloud. The intensity and distribution in energy of these gamma rays reflects that of the cosmic rays.

At low energies, around 100 million electronvolts (man-made accelerators reach energies up to 1,000,000 million electronvolts), this technique has been used by the EGRET satellite to map cosmic rays in our Galaxy. At really high energies - the true domain of cosmic-ray accelerators - no instrument has been so far sensitive enough to "see" interstellar gas clouds shining in very-high-energy gamma rays. H.E.S.S. has for the first time demonstrated the presence of cosmic rays in this central region of our Galaxy.

The H.E.S.S. data show that the density of cosmic rays exceeds that in the solar neighbourhood by a significant factor. Interestingly, this difference increases as we go up in energy, which implies that the cosmic rays have been recently accelerated. So, these data hint that the clouds are illuminated by a nearby cosmic-ray accelerator, which was active over the last ten thousand years. Candidates for such accelerators are a gigantic stellar explosion which apparently went off near the heart of our Galaxy in "recent" history; another possible acceleration site is the super-massive black hole at the centre of the Galaxy. Jim Hinton, one of the scientists involved in the discovery, concludes "This is only the first step. We are of course continuing to point our telescopes at the centre of the Galaxy, and will work hard to pinpoint the exact acceleration site - I'm sure that there are further exciting discoveries to come."

The High Energy Stereoscopic System (H.E.S.S.) team consists of scientists from Germany, France, the UK, the Czech Republic, Ireland, Armenia, South Africa and Namibia.

The results were obtained using the High Energy Stereoscopic System (H.E.S.S.) telescopes in Namibia, in south-western Africa. This system of four 13 m diameter telescopes is currently the most sensitive detector of very-high-energy gamma rays. These are absorbed in the atmosphere, where they give a short-lived shower of particles. The H.E.S.S. telescopes detect the faint, short flashes of bluish light which these particles emit (named Cherenkov light, lasting a few billionths of a second), collecting the light with large mirrors which reflect onto extremely sensitive cameras. Each image gives the position in the sky of a single gamma-ray photon, and the amount of light collected gives the energy of the initial gamma ray. Building up the images photon-by-photon allows H.E.S.S. to create maps of astronomical objects as they appear in gamma rays.

The H.E.S.S. telescope array represents a multi-year construction effort by an international team of more than 100 scientists and engineers. The instrument was inaugurated in September 2004 by the Namibian Prime Minister, Theo-Ben Guirab, and its first data have already resulted in a number of important discoveries, including the first astronomical image of a supernova shock wave at the highest gamma-ray energies.

Source: Max Planck Institute for Nuclear Physics

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