777 points on the dow

[ielectric]

well, with all the events being paraded across the various media in conjunction with this election year, i thought there might be some alternative takes to find around here. the one thing i find most apparent is the reduction in posts. the forum seems to have become a small cell. no blame, just observed.

since the 6th night of the galactic underworld begins a few days after the election, i imagined a flurry of activity here. this bailout seems beyond the ken of a lot of folk. i imagine placing a call to the i.r.s. after 20 years of silence, but remember i haven't got 100's, let alone millions.

certain the economic events on wall street and d.c. affect no one here greatly, i return to my children's work.

"who's that?" asks the boy, just turned 2, even when who is a what. i've taken to singing my replies in the voice of the "that."

now, i see that these words are lacking the clarity of sound i've been listening to for the past year. sound speaks louder than words.

peace

norman douglas

[Isaiah Mpski]

Norman(and I was born in Norman,Oklahoma in 47) I have lost more than 50 k in the market in the past 9 or 10 months which is a substanial sum to me and my family.

I did put a nice cow in the freezer though.

I was planning on buying a place in Mexico with what I made off the stock market but unless my boat comes back in it looks like another winter in Oklahoma.

I was smart enough to put up quite alot of garden stuff and plant enough of a fall and winter garden to survive any food crisis.I have a good partner but need several more.:D

I am afraid though Norman you underestimate the effect of the crashing stock market will have on many many people.There are alot of people suffering both emotionally and economically when it comes to meeting the necessities.And if you don't have a job and you dont have gas and your baby needs a diaper it hurts.:o

The real insight to all this Norman,as to whether our Politicians are trying to keep the rich rich.

1.If the gov cancels the cost of living increases for SS,which they have done in the past.
2.Will the 800 odd Billion dollars appropriated make it easier for the populous to access programs beneficial to them.

[ielectric]

saiah

i don't know that i expect anything of the capitalists. in fact, i was rather heartened to read charles eisenstein's recent piece over at reality sandwich, money and the crisis of civilization.

http://www.realitysandwich.com/money_and_crisis_civilization

it has always been clear to me that the politicos are merely servants of the rich, and the purported bailout approved last week in an unprecedented shift away from "normal" or "traditional" procedure only cements this perspective. i see no such urgency concerning a bailout of citizens' with foreclosed mortgages, excessive health care costs, outsourced jobs, massive college loan debt, etc. none of these people are bailed out by our tax dollars, tho i personally would prefer such an act.

for those who pray that obama represents a more popular perspective than bush, i have many doubts based on such facts as joe biden's rewriting of bankruptcy law so that low and middle income people have no recourse to assistance, while the credit card companies are granted incredible power to reclaim their (usurial) moneys. his son is paid $100,000 by the credit card consortium. someone here pointed out obama's ties o goldman sach's, paulson's latest employer. i was early on turned off b his ties to ADM.

eisenstein's thesis suggests that this should be a time for celebration. the collapse of the economy means that the chances for us to return to nature, to reclaim our part in the ecology is upon us. to see gardens increasingly replace mown lawns will be a treat. to build toys for my boys and their friends, as well as for their parents and with the help of all, this is a scenario that appeals to me. most of all, i look forward to seeing an ever increasing number of people sitting in drew's full lotus, contemplating and expressing the harmonic resonance as pure communication of the one as oneness beyond the feeble ability of language... indeed, i need look forward no more. i see it here, now. all that is left is the conjuring:

replace scarcity with abundance
replace economy with ecology
replace language with communication
replace supermarkets with gardens
replace private property with mother earth
replace votes for politicians with a lottery that draws from the pool of all people toward the maintenance of common councils
replace disaster capitalism with wholistic health
replace the state of mine with the state of mind
replace work with play

fear of lazy people is foolish.

our collective laziness is evidenced in our collective dependence on others to build our homes, sew our clothing, grow our food, supply our luxuries and necessities, play and sing our songs.

fortunately, our collective dependence on others -- tho denied by most -- is a fact that we cannot escape, no matter how vociferous our determination to pretend we are "individuals" with unique needs and desires.

we are not individuals, and we are not separated from nature. i recently read in a reply to eisenstein that nature would emerge victorious, destroy us. naturally, of course, nature finds victory in symbiosis. thus, we will only see a mutual victory, when humans acknowledge their part as natural. there is no human nature. only nature. human nature is a folly, doomed to revelation of the truth that only nature is nature, and nature is naturally all that is.

he he

peace norman

[bopes]

"777 points on the dow"

ie, was that a prediction for today (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI)or a reference to last week? :)

[Isaiah Mpski]

Great post Norman.
Those were some of the same songs I sang back in the 60's when I tuned in,turned on,and dropped out.
I now am in a position to grow my own food,build my own wind generator,gather good clean water and life(nature) can't move fast enough for me.:D
And hehe,I could really put some serious money to work in those directions.

Think it's time for me to get a regular job again.:D

[nanouk]

...so me Bambi's in the freezer, me Cep's in a jar, me taxes are in order an' me Pennies take me so far...

The freezer cost me a fortune and me lodgings a lot more, the Chancellor comes out top, and explains what it's all for...

The Bank of England, Dow and Yen,

partially oblivious now and then,
a time will come when Cep's are sold,

and they will be considered Solid Gold.

Food for Gold,

A'Mun,

~N~

[Isaiah Mpski]

I suppose by Cep's you mean curcubits,egg plants,and purple tops.:rolleyes:

I wish you would take Willow up on her offer to spend some time in Dallas.
You know she'll probably turn out to be some rich jew from Dog-shit city.I am one of only two here in Mc County.

By the way.Where is Smith these days?Divinity school?

And Daniel?What an abomination but thinks ever so much and how grateful I am that you continue to continue BOTH.:eek:
Worse than that,in my little book I am an offspring of Christ Getting ready to transmigrate again.With each rebirth,along with the soul the body ages.
I was 25 at M. Begen and now I'm 62.:skeptic:

I think there will be soon many people your age in this country seeking refuge.
Refuge from their daily necessites to make a "living"
Refuge from the stress of life by which we are compelled so I can keep my ass warm this winter.

Oh praise God.I am living in Paradise(but want to live in Mexico.I got 13 pesos for my dollar today.

I paid three times as much for my chelation supplies this month than three months ago.

[nanouk]

Boletus Edulis and s.sp....

[Isaiah Mpski]

Where are you now fair lady?London or there bouts.
God lets hope tomorrow,people begin to see.
There are better ways,better places.
To start our heavenly days.

777 but up would make me a few thousands,
but,then again,
more with which to play.:D

You will like Willow.She's a well respected lass.
And when you get tired of playing,working whatever
you're not far from the winning race of man-the American Indian.
And maybe we'll all go to SF or Mexico.

Well have enough to eat from the garden.Plenty of wood to cut and sell.
If we have to divide up the farm in patches that might be the quickest way to get some land in Mexico-near Tepic-where the Spainards established the wineries.Praise the Lord and avacodos and lobsters and sea bass and SueBee and her swimming pool.
Faint heart,Fair maiden never won.

[suebee]

since no one is ever in it and my tree house looks down onto the blue, but i share it with everyone else here.

so the dow fell more points than ever and more percent than ever. hmmmm. lets see what tomorrow brings.

[Isaiah Mpski]

I've got trees here over 200 hrs old.Others are 200 ft tall and would make wonderful tre houses but things like that dear are never easy or cheap.
It the subterrianial lifestyle I want to get into.Built into the side of a ciff on one side and a pond on the other.A windmill.solar panels and a garden on top.

The Bass Brothers really got something together out there in Tucson.They are from Ft Worth too,my era.How they miscalculated the biosphere was not including enough water-but that comes with the territory eh?
I guess we should really carry our conversations in private but you came to my aid when I needed some help and it seems to me we got the potential to have a real good group of people(gods) who can accomplish something.To not only share our good things with but also our burdens.
Me-today I am burdened by several things.
The Cowboys lost,the Redskins lost,the Sooners lost.

[nanouk]

Let's think of this life/generation/moment/opportunity, as a Tree House, where we can share/shear our fears, thoughts, dreams and real-i(ego)-ties?

A poem a day keeps depression at bay...

(listening to a not so known band from the EARly eighties called Magazine, have got mucho respect for the songwriting and the don't give a f**k and let's live attitude)

Have a lot of time for the "don'tgiveaf**kaboutpoliticsormoneyorstatusorreligi onorskincolourorpostcodeattitude"

In fact, i tend to attain this attitude every day i wake up, whilst keeping an eye on earning a living in a way that won't make me sick in the spirit... until some wa***r causes a cross-wire, and i have to re-boot!

;)

Loving You All,

Respect,

~Nanouk~

[Isaiah Mpski]

I think I'll try a poem today
although they don't come as easy once were.
Me thinks it's me synapases were fried
on Galveston shores where many now cry.

Me mate she left me there to die
But God he wouldn't let me lay,
to wash my body in the bay
He rose my spirit to replay
a simple game only one can win

Each day is like an endless night.
Thank god for my dolls and opiate dreams delight.

Although there aren'y many trees there anymore
I'm sure and I would suceed if we try
to build some condos where some thing did stand,
washed away in endless sand.
Like minutes in our passing life,
we need to take advantage
of nature's might.

Seriously I've talked with several friends there.The island will never be the same but needs to be rebuilt.They say the medical school there will never re=open but I doubt that.When my boat comes in Nanouk I'll buy a little piece of property there and build a bar and some condo's and let you run them.Maybe they really did kill me there and for some reason I can't escape it.
I know they got me addicted to opiates.How else do you think Juan was able to endure 200ects' 200 hrs of insulin coma and one of the worst interrogative tools-Indaclon.That's right Nanouk.opiates.Not enough to pass out.
but to kill the pain
of life again
knowing
there is something better than
suffering for
mankind.
I trudge.I spread the word for
I know,

In the beginning was the word,and the word was with God and the word was God.

[craazyman]

You're breaking my heart with nostalgia Nanouk with talk of obscure early 80s bands. Yes, I was a mere 22, alone in a New York tenement, didn't know a soul in the city and the sound of a band called Berlin came blasting down through the chipped plaster ceiling and I went up the stairs to knock on the door, shyly, to complain, and a smiling ear-ringed homo a few years older than me with bright powerful eyes and openend the door and a wall of sound came out and he smiled at me flirtateously and apologized. but I'm not a homo, or a homo hater and he was kind of cool and so we became friends and he was a makeup artist then, and we'd go out together into the night and his parties and models. Then and now, I'm completely straight, not bi, not anything but Mr. Straight, but it was New York and it didn't matter to anybody, and it was a liberation, to just be human, just human. And the nights I spent there, alone, thinking about the infinite future, listening to the radio in the dark, and looking out the window into the cement courtyard with laundry on the lines lit by the courtyard lights at night -- alone and unsure and the whole life ahead like a wild ocean -- and riding the taxis home at 4 and 5 a.m. drunk, coked up, stoned, whatever -- up the empty avenues of lights -- those were happy days, days of pain and confusion and bliss. Young and happy, alone in a strange huge city of infinite promise, with laundry still hanging on the lines. And it was Berlin that make me think of it and bands from the early 80s.

There was another band from the late 80s that was a bit more well-known -- Echo and the Bunnymen. Some great stuff they did, some great lyrics -- Bring on the Dancing horses, etc. -- I saw the at a club in New York one night by myself. The lyrics were magic lines. I have a few of their CDs.

[nanouk]

I know Craazy, i have broken some walls down, but no hearts, never! *L

Music is the Bible for the delinquients[sp]

O Yes, we have all had neighbours that pissed us off, not because of their drug habits, but their taste in music, got my own Tribe used to Motorhead, Cypress Hill, Beastie Boys, Undertones, Buzzcocks, and 3 Zillion Other Fantastic Musicians LOUD! before they stayed awake more than an hour at a time, that includes the vacuum cleaner, the barking dog and me singing while gardening...

Love and Respect,

~N~

[nanouk]

...as for the washing, the washing is still waiting for a line...no line is long enough for the washing...how did they cope pre-WW1?

i wonder...

~N~

[nanouk]

"Everybody hurt, Sometimes..."

Welcome to Life, bid for Pleasure, a bail for Pain?

I take Life, and bite pain in the Bud(TT)

TT

[Isaiah Mpski]

"Lady come back",that's the song I sing,
but remember ( first come through New York and show
the straight Mr Lord CM)
"life is but a dream".
So remember,be part of it.

I'm several light years ahead of you youngsters when it comes to real music-Jefferson Airplane's Starship of the late 60's and early 70's as well as the Moody Blues.And so on and so on and it will probably be like that forever for most.

Such great times we are living in eh?
We will look back on them as the days which will either make us or break us.

[craazyman]

well, I still think Rod Stewart is just incomparable

nothing can even touch

"The First Cut is the Deepest"

:)

'tho yes, Cat Stevens wrote it. Terrorist that he is now. LOL.

[Isaiah Mpski]

You must be older than I thought.
Every picture tells a story Maggie May.
I sometimes have dreams about Maggie May and Galveston.Five years I lived and studied medicine on the island,and then I escaped.TRUMAN Blocker MD was Pres of the med school then.The Scientolgists still owe me a bunch of money about that story,
It is as they say though,
"We didn't have a contract with you chump"

Anyway CM,this is what I see in the near future.Sadam declared it the Mother of All Wars.More than likely it will be the end of bi-global warfare.

We will begin to take serious losses-as if it's not already gone too far-in men and equiptment.One young man or woman killed or wounded is too much.

The Generals will say all they need is more men and equiptment and we can win.Thus we are paying out fair sized bonuses to enlist people into the armed forces.If this country is worth saving-and I believe it is and has the potential to literally create heaven on earth-then the people who need to be fighting the wars should come from the people we have in prison.
Obama said a very important thing.Throughout history,countries which become economically depressed,lose military strength.
Again we can spend our way through this crisis if we spend it in the right way.We cannot allow living in the US to be a degredating(sp) experience.Print more foodstamps,lower the eligibility.I have done my part by taking less for my NG and Oil.Increae the Carbon tax and credits to our small-scale farmers.
Get back to quality rather than quanity by building factories in the US designed for Quality.three day workweeksfor most.Of course,us docs who love our work can work more.

And those of you who have reached a level of despair and depression, I ask you to consider coming to McIntosh County,Okla and help me take it back from the Government.If what I see about people living in their cars now is true you can park them here and I will make sure you get something to eat,and hopefully a place to get out of the elements.Please,No pre-rolled cigarettes or crack or crank heads.

Pack it up now Obama,pretend it is August rather than Nov,and bring our people and stuff home now.

We are like the guy who had one million shares of CHK last July,and didn't sell in August.:hmm:

It is time to pack em up and head home.That march you saw today were Sunni's and Shites marching together.

[ielectric]

i still think that everyone's predictions of terror and death and destruction and suffering and pain are wrong. these are the projections onto an unknown future of what we know and already embrace today. the future, i'm happy to report, is far sweeter than we can imagine, and our imminent entry into it, that too shall be full of a joy that these paltry words and the storehouse of media-fueled images i recall will not suffice to describe.

the long dark night of the soul, the suffering you got to go through to get to... that is where we are now. imagine sitting in full lotus, vibrating, orgasming for days, like drew. and then, realize that even that is today's world. tomorrow, this will project out. orgiastic orgasms harmoniously resonating in pure electromagnetic non-symbolic symbiosis of joy and peace loving love...

oh, never mind

peace

electric i

[drew hempel]

http://www.realitysandwich.com/meditations_emergency

[suebee]

thanks drew. enjoyed that read.

[Isaiah Mpski]

How now California cow?Here or Guadalajara love,eventually both if you love the Gods,
The purpose of it all is to create more Gods.Read the story of Elizabeth.
'for he or she who loves Mother,father,brother,sister,more than me is not worthy of seeing the answer."
Texas is just across the border.:p

[sidecross]

http://www.realitysandwich.com/meditations_emergency

The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable by Nassim Nicholas Talep is a book that confronts the whole concept ‘uncertainty’.

Philosopher Karl Popper wrote years ago about this very issue.

The article daniel wrote deals with a probability that he places a ‘spot light’ on; there are many other probabilities that could also be ‘spot lighted’.

[craazyman]

I wish Daniel wouldn't waste his enormous intellect and imagination on this nonsense, or that he would use it to get beyond it and on to solid ground.

Nothing happened that week, did it?

It usually doesn't.

Regarding Nassim Taleb. He is truly one of the very, very few smart guys in the investment business. One of the very few.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Drew probably posted some nasty BS.
He does seem to have quieted down some.
We need to give his style a name although it is more of reaction.
Hedonistic Drewism.Fuk,sht,cum,suk and orgasism.

It does though allow me,without fear of being sued,to talk of some of the patients I am dealing with and the certainess of death if they don't change their ways..:hmm: and start Oxidative Medicine.:D

The certainty of uncertainty is there are certain undeniable facts.
You share a dirty needle you can get real sick.
If you stick your dick where it wasn't made to be it can get shity or worse...

I have this patient.She is about 40.Her husband likes anal sex. Being a heavy smoker he delivered a heavy dose of Nicotine with every shot and she got lung cancer.

Hedonistic Drewism

I hereby retire from psychiatry.:skeptic:

[posypusher]

the latest dow crash is a wakeup call to our flimsy state of financial reality. there is no real security until all the world is attended to. creating wealth off of the backs of others(which ultimately is the goal of capitalism) just sustains the concept of inequity and the uneven distribution of wealth in this world. i thought i had security in my 401k. i was wealthy and now i have nothing. fuck it. not important. what matters is that we all can live in a healthy and distinguished manner. i am not going to let the state of my bank account determine my happiness.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Good,send me some cause I know it'll make me happy.I too lost about 50k and I know fer sure I probably paid about 100 chinamen's gasoline bill.
I have a "pyramid" to build(several in fact) and time is running short.
CM seems astute and fairly up to date in the generalities of the stock market and I wish I had taken his general advice early on.
"Get Out.":errf:
However if I run into another 100k to gamble with I will surely rush to put it into the market.
Maybe CM would get more serious about it if he got a commission.

I have had the same thoughts as you and have almost convinced myself that returning to a life living off the farm,on a big lake,offers many potentials for happiness,not to mention some darn good healthy food and exercise.

Time is,and this huge gigantic project,Lake Eufaula,Okla and Interstates 40 and 69 established by the Corp of Engineers are gradually being turned back to the 'people".Thousands of acres of delta land,huge reserves of liquid gold-not to mention the absolute certainity of shallow oil and gas reserves.You kinda can see some of the possibilities of such actions-that is-returning control of the lake to local governments or concerned citizens.If you could farm just a 1/10 of the land that has laid idle for at least 50 years you would be a wealthy person.

Just wish i had a few more disciples or rentors.

Joe Brown for Supreme Court Judge

[posypusher]

hey good to hear from you isaiah. it has been a long time. another spring is creeping up on us again. spent the day in the garden. glorious sunny day.
so cool to find faith in the buds and blooms that are returning and doing their thing with no effort or intervention on my part. hope all goes well with you and hope to catch up with you soon. keep up the good work you do here.
ciao. posy

[Isaiah Mpski]

Thanks Posy.
Beautiful weather here too.Am really getting into the gardening catalogues,as the trees and early bulbs are coming out slowly but surely.I've got a green cover crop on about three acres,and despite how hard the work is,it is alwyas rewarding to get serious about gardening.

Alot of excitment in the neighborhood here today.My wife and I were watching TV,we hear a big bang.
The next thing I know firetrucks and police cars everywhere.
The house across the street was burning.Actually it was the house behind the house across the street.The kid that lived there with his mother just got out of prison not long ago and I imagine he was trying to play the role of a chemist.Hell iof a three alarm fire.Dumb SOB.
Although our town is only 3000,alot of drug trafficing goes through here as we are at the crossroads of two major highways.Oklahoma did a wise thing by becoming the first state to put pseudoephedrine on controlled status where the bathtub chemists couldn't get one of their main components.
The Mexican Mafia,just filled the gap.
The farm is about three miles away and I can close the gate and kinda get away from that crap.There is always something to do there to kinda take my mind off the worries.
You are welcome here anytime,as is anyone else who wants to escape the big city.
You're exactly right about the money thing.I have a partner who lost over one half million betting on Apple.It has really affected him as he spent several years building up a fortune and where is it now?Gone in less than two months.
It really had an impact on him.I hope he lives through it.

During my younger years-60's and 70's I worked on a Salmon fishing boat out of Gray's Harbor,Washington.
Washington,Oregon,Northern Calif are all so beautiful but with Yellowstone acting like it's going to do something I'm glad you guys aren't downwind.
Am so thankful my child didn't get into that life style.So thankful.
Thanks for posting,and God bless.

[suebee]

re yellowstone. some recent program said no. calif would be hx due to west blowing winds. what west winds? every weather channel satellite radar screen shows west to east winds. all the time.

[Isaiah Mpski]

They mean the outward effects of an eruption,which,not only being hot enough to set structures afire but toxic with the deadly nitrous and sulfer dioxide gases.
Interesting.I see a major fault line has been discovered in Arkansas.Another reason to spend more time in Mexico.:D

[Isaiah Mpski]

Also very interesting is some info I read today about solar storms.
They coincide with sunspot activity and are very cyclical,occurring every 11 years.
Every 100 yrs or so a 'significant " one occurs and it's effects upon our civilization would be horrendous.The last significant one occurred I think in 1891 and melted the telegraph wires. :skeptic: The one which occurred in 1990? knocked out 3 satellites and caused some blackouts too.

THE NEXT PERIOD OF MAJOR SUNSPOT ACTIVITY WILL BE IN 2012.

We better get started on a cave.:hmm:

as it was in the beginning so shall it be at the end.

Mpski 2009

[Isaiah Mpski]

You are going to see the Baby Boomers drop like flies as they hit "retirement" age.
Life insurance policies will probably be paid out pennies on the dollar and Big Brother won't bail them out because bad luck for insurance companies means less money spent on SS and the like by The Man.

The reason we are going to see alot of morbity and mortality amongst the boomers and even those younger,is because of toxic overload.
Your body can only stand so much polution in a lifetime.The industrial age,followed by the nuclear age and Capitalism has putin alot more bad things for you in what you eat,drink,breathe,etc. thus we are seeing alot of degenerative diseases-cancer,diabetes,heart disease tec.

There are a few doctors like me who can cure or lessen the effect any disease though.
The Van Goghs of modern medicine.:rolleyes:

This could be deverted by Insurance companies making their insured chelate,chelate,oxidize.