drew hempel
06-10-2006, 03:10 AM
The latest science gimmick is that outer-body experiences are really "R.E.M. intrusion."
Well I do think that most OBEs are the product of a vivid, bored suburban imagination but then most drug taking probably falls into that category as well.
I would argue that the right-brain consciousness IS a dream state where what Gregory Bateson calls "the syllogism of metaphor" is dominant -- as it is for all of nature.
I had a NDE -- a Near-Death Experience in the Andes in Venezuela after drinking some potato beer.
My whole life flashed before me as a vision which I could not stop -- but it wasn't chronological -- the sequence was psychological.
This was definitely a "spiritual" experience because events that occurred years apart were linked as resolving each other for very deep reasons.
I'd say the whole vision lasted maybe 20 minutes tops -- like a good drug trip -- and I soon accept ed that I couldn't stop it.
It's possible that my Venezuelan friend had slipped me some mushrooms or something but I never mentioned my experience.
I can also say that my heart chakra was super hot before hand -- it had been that way for several previous nights -- because of my feelings of love for my friend.
So I would wake up in the middle of the night with so much energy that I'd have to sing to myself -- quietly -- just to calm the energy down.
Then I read that in high elevations the melatonin levels are naturally increased dramatically. Hence the spiritual importance of mountains. The study tested mountain climbers.
Melatonin climaxes at 11 p.m. to 1 a.m. -- the witching hour.
See Carlos Ginzberg's work for the best description of real night-traveling witches in the West -- not just "R.E.M. intrusion" by bored teenagers.
So my NDE was definitely REM intrusion although I never felt I left my body.
But true and real OBEs can occur if the heart chakra gets hot enough because true OBEs are driven by electromagnetic fields produced by the body.
Since real yoga masters are so rare in the West they can never be tested and so science has to rely on stupid "R.E.M. intrusion" explanations -- or even more stupid debunkers.
Spirit travel is real and long distance healing is real as well -- it's not just all in the head.
In fact in traditional Tibetan teaching dreams are considered a type of spirit travel.
The little drug experience I have -- when I took Salvia quid -- definitely had an electromagnetic charge up my spine.
So I can see how strong enough drugs could induce a real OBE and not just some limited brain-vision, like a good dream.
When I sit in full-lotus my skull cracks and so does the walls around the room!!
I mean I can see new cracks in my forehead!!
In fact the yoga literature talks about the soft-spot in the top of the skull -- the fissure from when you're a baby -- opening up again for spirit travel.
This is definitely true and a teacher I studied with keep pulling the energy out of the top of his head while he talked to me -- clearing out the bad energy I was projecting to him and then immediately sending it:
OBE.
He never slipped into a REM state but just kept up a normal conversation while eating a meal.
drew hempel, M.A.
Well I do think that most OBEs are the product of a vivid, bored suburban imagination but then most drug taking probably falls into that category as well.
I would argue that the right-brain consciousness IS a dream state where what Gregory Bateson calls "the syllogism of metaphor" is dominant -- as it is for all of nature.
I had a NDE -- a Near-Death Experience in the Andes in Venezuela after drinking some potato beer.
My whole life flashed before me as a vision which I could not stop -- but it wasn't chronological -- the sequence was psychological.
This was definitely a "spiritual" experience because events that occurred years apart were linked as resolving each other for very deep reasons.
I'd say the whole vision lasted maybe 20 minutes tops -- like a good drug trip -- and I soon accept ed that I couldn't stop it.
It's possible that my Venezuelan friend had slipped me some mushrooms or something but I never mentioned my experience.
I can also say that my heart chakra was super hot before hand -- it had been that way for several previous nights -- because of my feelings of love for my friend.
So I would wake up in the middle of the night with so much energy that I'd have to sing to myself -- quietly -- just to calm the energy down.
Then I read that in high elevations the melatonin levels are naturally increased dramatically. Hence the spiritual importance of mountains. The study tested mountain climbers.
Melatonin climaxes at 11 p.m. to 1 a.m. -- the witching hour.
See Carlos Ginzberg's work for the best description of real night-traveling witches in the West -- not just "R.E.M. intrusion" by bored teenagers.
So my NDE was definitely REM intrusion although I never felt I left my body.
But true and real OBEs can occur if the heart chakra gets hot enough because true OBEs are driven by electromagnetic fields produced by the body.
Since real yoga masters are so rare in the West they can never be tested and so science has to rely on stupid "R.E.M. intrusion" explanations -- or even more stupid debunkers.
Spirit travel is real and long distance healing is real as well -- it's not just all in the head.
In fact in traditional Tibetan teaching dreams are considered a type of spirit travel.
The little drug experience I have -- when I took Salvia quid -- definitely had an electromagnetic charge up my spine.
So I can see how strong enough drugs could induce a real OBE and not just some limited brain-vision, like a good dream.
When I sit in full-lotus my skull cracks and so does the walls around the room!!
I mean I can see new cracks in my forehead!!
In fact the yoga literature talks about the soft-spot in the top of the skull -- the fissure from when you're a baby -- opening up again for spirit travel.
This is definitely true and a teacher I studied with keep pulling the energy out of the top of his head while he talked to me -- clearing out the bad energy I was projecting to him and then immediately sending it:
OBE.
He never slipped into a REM state but just kept up a normal conversation while eating a meal.
drew hempel, M.A.