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10-18-2008, 05:11 PM
Good point. If you read Gurdjieff's reaction to Ouspensky's longest excerpt he says: "Just remember one thing: time is breath." Ouspensky printed that without even realizing the joke on him -- after Ouspensky spends several pages giving his cosmic version of time (all based on symmetric measurements). So 95% of the "In Search of Miraculous" book is quotes from Gurdjieff and in that respect it is the BEST book on Gurdjieff, as he himself stated. But note the huge attention (more than even given to Gurdjieff) now given to Ouspensky (for example the recent new biography on Ouspensky by Gary Lachmann). The fact is Ouspensky was clueless -- was not an energy master, etc. and as Bennett points out Ouspensky even knew this (that he was rejected by Gurdjieff because Ouspensky became obsessed with his own philosophy). So to "follow" Ouspensky's teachings is a complete mistake -- yet Westerners continue to do so -- why? -- because psychologically it's easier.
There's a lesson to be learned in all this which is, as Gurdjieff points out, for real training to occur there has to be a personal relation with a guru or energy master. So, for example, qigong master Chunyi Lin admits that we can not be professional meditators in the West and so we should mainly focus on healing ourselves (which, ironically is best done through healing others). He did train one energy master -- Jim Nance -- as is the tradition, to focus on one student to be advanced.
Gurdjieff did not focus on transmitting energy as qigong master Chunyi Lin does. Instead Gurdjieff focused on mind yoga -- with an integrative path that was not necessarily quick but still covered all aspects. He, himself, admitted that his own energy level was quite low compared to the masters he trained with in Asia. So it's quite ironic that someone like energy master Chunyi Lin is doing so much healing, working with the Mayo Clinic, etc. yet he continues to be mainly ignored by the "white male esoterica" scene -- simply because Chunyi Lin focuses on energy transmission and healing, not on conceptual philosophy.
In a sense Gurdjieff knew he was playing the role of the trickster yet at the same time he had to be very skilled in doing it successfully. So it continues to be with energy masters in the West since this practice goes the opposite direction of Western civilization, based on symmetric phonetic language and math. That's why I don't give much attention to Beezlebub's Tales -- the book got edited down, as Bennett details, and it was written AFTER Gurdjieff had a life-threatening accident, so he was desperate for some means of money without relying on energy transmissions or intense mind yoga training with students, etc. Yet again Beezlebub's Tales is the ONE thing about Gurdjieff that Westerners desperately cling to as his most important work, etc., -- simply because psychologically it provides a "sacred text" crutch, without the body transformation necessary to consciously sublimated the sex energy.
10-19-2008, 06:00 AM
Did you read the above SB?
27 afgan soldiers,
all lined up in the road.
6 were beheaded,the
rest shot dead.:(
That is beastial.:skeptic:
10-19-2008, 07:58 AM
true healers are ignored/marginalized for the same reason hallucinogens are illegal.
10-19-2008, 11:39 AM
That's an excellent point. I keep having this perv p.m. me over at http://taobums.com. He repeatedly emails me saying how he wants to jerk off when I've already told him that healing is based on no physical contact -- no creation of male ejaculation fluid -- so that LIGHT energy is created. So I've just ignored this last p.m. he sent me since the last time he contacted me I told him he just needs to keep practicing. The problem with pervs is that it's psychological -- subconscious -- anything you say in words just feeds their addiction -- so it has to be a right-brain energy transformation. When I took salvia the same thing happened -- it opened up the right-brain energy and since I was in full-lotus I had several internal climaxes. If I had been a typical male I would have lost the energy as ejaculation which is the opposite of making the love-light. When a male ejaculates it activates the cortisol stress system as Professor Robert Sapolsky details. BTW there's a new interview with me in Spanish that Pepe3Leches translated and conducted at his http://mondopsicotronico.net and I mention Robert Sapolsky in it.
10-19-2008, 01:01 PM
Yep.To get to the top of the pyramid Juan must step upward and inward.
Drew.I consider a child predetor(sic) a perv.
The only thing that cures them is fear.For whatever reason(I'm sure there is a deep psychological one) pervs have a hard time in prison.They are definitely very sick individuals who have no conscience toward the act only the punishment if they are caught.
Our society seems to be creating more and more of them too.
10-19-2008, 01:23 PM
Well I suppose there'll be an outbreak of PERV anyway -- Porcine Endogenous Retrovirus -- which will take care of the problem.
10-19-2008, 01:56 PM
High dose IV vitamin C will kill the retroviruses.
The problem with many alternative treatments take longer to work-not all-but many.
For example I just read an article about a product made from the Eggplant which will cure skin cancer.
I read another article about extract from Deadly Nightshade(I have a nice plant growing in my front yard) that will also cure skin cancer.
Problem is you have to be dedicated in applying the extracts.Sometimes up to two months.
People want instant gratification or results and thus when they don't see something happening in two or three days they start to get lax.:(
One thing I would like to warn you kiddies about is Mexican pot.I saw an analysis of what comes with it and it definitely is killing people because of the pesticides and stuff they use to hide the odor.
The kind I'm talking about is that brown crap pressed so hard it looks like a book cover.Breaks off in stem and seed filled chunks.Bad for your health.Alot of it,which is grown in green houses has aspergillis mold in it.Very hard on your immune system.
10-20-2008, 04:55 PM
time is breath, breath is rhythm.
i'd like to warn all the kids about warnings.
we are born with a brain [in disorder] in order to develop the mind.
the first step is to stop sounding the alarm.
sound the rhythm.
the problem needs no further description.
the solution is indescribable.
yes, i perceive myself this way, as if i am still missing something.
still, i have you to thank for this moment of forgiving, this moment for giving.
after we have forgiven trespasses, have learned forgiving is for giving,
we shall steer clear of the road to temptation.
thus delivered from evil, the word that was in the beginning ends will.
say everything out loud, the right words may be out of order, or in the wrong order.
who's that? especially regarding what that is, delivers another perspective.
singing works [and recalls] miracles:
the witch is dead
the witch is dead
the witch is dead
the wicked witch is dead
a guillotine will be erected in the gallery at bennington, the blade adorned with lipstick evidence of kisses.
i propose the excavation and subsequent filling of a moat close to a permeable, pregnable, scalable wall that appears none of these things.
we must quickly recall our godhood [not godhead, which cannot be forgotten].
forget that ring around the rosey crap.
if you're a monkey, don't stop to pull up your socks.
if you've fantasized alien abduction, be happy that it's a weasel and not a chicken or a rooster that goes pop.
electromagnetism does not have to have the paralyzing effect of the gravity with which too many of us perceive the materialism we half-heartedly embrace, one [third] eye averted in search of something "better" than that, like maybe the way that electromagnetism can use this gravity for the purpose of levitation, the way that these valences with which EVERYTHING is charged might enable us to not only be warmer, more giving, but to consciously make conscious the unseen effort whereby we long ago learned to embody and thus BE the LIGHT.
10-20-2008, 05:00 PM
wonder what all
these dead guys knew
turn it to my own ends
the way mccain knew johnny cash would vote for him if alive nov 4
[one day only!]
until mr cash's daughter wondered why the living so easily turn the dead into advocates their own purportedly living agenda.
10-20-2008, 07:34 PM
Hold on -- you must be in California? haha. organic fruit grown locally in the colder season? !! I'm still amazed I was vegetarian for 15 years here in Midwest -- MN and WI. It gets 20 below zero in the winter.
OK thanks for clarifying the diet. I'll see what I can do -- I love bananas.
Yeah I completely rely on full-lotus for transforming the perv attacks and any desire dynamics with females, etc. or subconscious desire from alluring images, etc.
From my experience any physical contact just creates fluid which is the opposite of what you want -- love-light. For the last couple years I've been having probably 10 internal climaxes a day at minimum -- most of them mutual with other females. So that dries my balls out but then turns the energy to taking in the female electrochemical energy which I then also have to convert to electromagnetic for safe storage. haha. This can be done with males as well but not as easily (taking in their female electrochemical energy and then shooting electromagnetic back at them).
My point is I haven't been building up the electromagnetic energy but if I went full-on tantra I'd still open up the pineal gland because the more you heal others the more you heal yourself (convert the physical to light and then to consciousness). It would have to be the right circumstances I guess.
So if I'm with a female having O at a Ds I can sit in full-lotus for hours at a time -- maybe just bathroom breaks. I did 3 hours the other night for a dozen mutual climaxes or so. But the diet is the main problem after that -- the O at a Ds really clean out your system, making any impurities very conscious. When I first started these O at a Ds, I did a 3 day fast just doing O at a Ds with no hunger. This summer I went a day and a half -- but that was to convert anger and fear electrochemical energy into O at a D love-light. It was a defensive rather than offensive move. haha.
If I eat meat then I have to burn that off through O at a Ds since that's easier then shooting the energy back into myself because females have stronger electrochemical energy and so more easily suck up my extra electromagnetic energy.
So it's a fine balance -- if I work on just building up my own energy then people pursue me. Especially around the full-moon when the energy is really strong. If I have lots of great O at a Ds with females then male pervs literally stalk me which then sucks the electrochemical energy back down into fluid. They sit next to me and start bouncing their legs or they just stare at me -- I can feel their self-awareness, their electromagnetic energy, stuck in their lower chakra as they suck in my energy to make more sex fluid for themselves. I've come to expect it now as the negative aspect of the O at a Ds. haha. If I sit in full-lotus it takes an hour to convert that damage - the pulling of my chi back into fluid -- reversing that back into electrochemical and then maybe an hour to convert it back into electromagnetic. My housemate -- the old dude -- is a perv but about a week a go I did a good "O at a D" session with him through the wall -- I had several internal climaxes. Since he was old he just needed the electromagnetic energy and then I sucked in his electrochemical energy.
So that's how the energy cycles.
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