A Stale Sandwich?

[sidecross]

I have not a clue why people who write ‘Daniel Pinchbeck is the next Timothy Leary’.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/06/books/06book.html?ref=books

:p

[willoweyes]

Oh, thanks, Sidecross--i would have missed this--and i wouldn't have missed it for the world. . . .

that's what i always told Danny-boy--Lighten up!

Now, to look up Erik Knutzen and Kelly Coyne on urban homesteading and pirate gardeners.

and the abby hoffman interview.

[Isaiah Mpski]

What about the "hidden' Messiah?Juan from the Comanche tribe of Jews wise one..

[sidecross]

An excerpt from the book daniel edited.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/06/books/chapters/chapter-toward-2012.html?_r=1&emc=tnt&tntemail1=y

[suebee]

Through my own shamanic journeys, I realized that modern culture was facing an initiatory crisis on a global scale. We have created a planet of "kidults," perpetual adolescents trapped by material desires, with no access to higher realms and little sense of purpose or moral responsibility. - daniel

helll-oooooo!

i ordered the thing from my book club last week. pirate gardeners, i love it! since i dont have a garden, or a compost area, ive been throwing seed pods and whole fruit out my front door into the jasmine or out my car window into freeway dirt for years! just in case.

why isnt some seed planted along these lines in school children of the projects? little take-home seed and trowel homework assignments. get them to mess with their f. up surroundings in a good way.

[willoweyes]

daniel talk big talk--but listen to little pink man below. . . .

Ever since Doublecross got his own backhoe (gently used. . . ) he spends every weekend rending and tearing--so we no longer go on journeys into the wilds of OK like we used to--and a Lady mustn't attempt such a journey on her own. . .

Ms. Bee, way to go! Have you checked out Jim Bones' Seedball page on the WWW?

The Tao says, "Do not consign the Living to Black Plastic bag."

[Isaiah Mpski]

Willow,what is DC attempting to accomplish?

Come up here to the farm and lets start an RV Campground and a wine distibuton point on I-40.Sec 3-11-16 in McIntosh County-ultimately a fueling station for electric and natural gas vehicles.We have both here.Wind and water also.One mile of Lakefront facing the prevailing winds.

At the moment you can get 15 wind generators,not including the batteries but I think we will just continually add to the power to the line if we have any left over for our daily needs from China fer what one Bergy costs.

Perfect for subterrian housing.

You were wrong about the giant mushroom.It does have a lobster taste.
The one you found probably contaminated when they had the fire up at Los Alamos.:(

Chelate,chlelate,chelate.

[Lowlight]

Posted this a few weeks back on another thread but i dont think it was an active thread at the time!






Wow i cant believe people are still posting here! I havent been here for ages. Sadly it feels like a long abandoned house to me. Many great memories, but the the times have moved on it feels.

I miss the old intellectual vigor of the board. I grew here more than i ever realized, and no other forum i have posted on has matched it.

I miss Halfglass (RIP). I still have the manuscript he sent me.

I'll raise a glass to the following for all the good talk and thought...

Dragonfly
Forteana
Nanouk
Drew H
Rob P
Buzz
Humming
Willoweyes
Manning
Agent Smith
Matt
Caprinardo D
Isaiah
Silent Wolf
Charlie
and Daniel

Those who were here know what i mean.

Sidecross, you old warhorse, long time no speak. I hope the years have treated you well. Its sad to see the board in this way. Reality Sandwich seems like a failure to me. I dont know what has ever happened to Daniel. He doesnt seem to be the same anymore. Do you listen to podcasts? Thats how i get most of my info these days. If you ever fancy giving it a go, here is a forum i post on from time to time - they seem like a good bunch,

http://www.dopecast.co.uk/

You have to look on the right side of the screen where it says 'forums' in small green letters to get to the good part of the site!

Peace

[sidecross]

Thanks lowlight, I did try the site before, but I will try again with this new information.

I now have DSL so hopefully I can access the site.

Thank you too for the compliment.

[sidecross]

lowlight

I just registered to the forum part of the site; thank you for the link.

[suebee]

Mon, 9 February 2009
Dopecast159
On this week's Dopecast, the Web's Favourite Cannabis Commentator, the Dopefiend rings the death knell for the War On Drugs following last week's White House statement that federal raids on America's legal medical cannabis dispensaries will end once President Obama re-staffs the DEA, and also draws attention to the often unpublicised right that jurors have to nullify a conviction because of their disagreement with a law, and its implications regarding cannabis law. Following a sobering message from sponsor Severus, who highlights the therapeutic benefits of psychedelic mushrooms at times of crisis, the Dopefiend hits the emails, starting with a couple on the subject of underage use of cannabis or psychedelics and whether there really are any risks associated with it, leading the Dopefiend to mention this week's BBC Horizon documentary on the possible dangers of cannabis use, and to talk about whether young minds can fully appreciate the depth of the psychedelic experience.

i had all my 'experiences' in the early 70's. if you were there you dont remember it. we were on our own. no podcasts, no informative, contemplative posts to digest along with the entheogens.

[sidecross]

Mon, 9 February 2009
Dopecast159
On this week's Dopecast, the Web's Favourite Cannabis Commentator, the Dopefiend rings the death knell for the War On Drugs following last week's White House statement that federal raids on America's legal medical cannabis dispensaries will end once President Obama re-staffs the DEA, and also draws attention to the often unpublicised right that jurors have to nullify a conviction because of their disagreement with a law, and its implications regarding cannabis law. Following a sobering message from sponsor Severus, who highlights the therapeutic benefits of psychedelic mushrooms at times of crisis, the Dopefiend hits the emails, starting with a couple on the subject of underage use of cannabis or psychedelics and whether there really are any risks associated with it, leading the Dopefiend to mention this week's BBC Horizon documentary on the possible dangers of cannabis use, and to talk about whether young minds can fully appreciate the depth of the psychedelic experience.

i had all my 'experiences' in the early 70's. if you were there you dont remember it. we were on our own. no podcasts, no informative, contemplative posts to digest along with the entheogens.

In ’65 I could buy a once of cannabis (then called a ‘lid’) for $10.

The seller was only concerned to make enough money from buying a kilo to have his cannabis at no cost; he or she was not interested in making a financial profit.

[craazyman]

even I was a pot smoker. In high school, late 70s and early 80s college.

Back then an ounce was $35. We smoked mostly bongs, but some joints.

I didn't smoke nearly as much as most of my friends. At first, in high school, it was a blast and I loved it. Then one night I had some and had a panic attack. Thought my left arm was on my right side and vice versa. Walked around in a panicked state for about an hour, thinking I was going insane. Didn't smoke much for a half year after that, then slowly got back into it.

Honestly, it never did all that much for me. It generally made me stupid and blank minded. I haven't touched the stuff in years.

It seems to effect people differently. Like I know some folks who can't drink at all, whereas my tolerance for alcohol was so high that it was a costly endeavor to get really good and drunk. And even then I felt sober deep down.

[suebee]

ah the greatness of alcohol....no matter how drunk, "i felt sober deep down."

if mind altering substances do have an identity, i wonder what alcohol's is. does it depend on the grain, vegetable or fruit from which its made? if so shouldn't the 'trip' be different? i know peyote's high is observably different (even by the ingester) than say mushrooms, and shrooms are different than lsd, etc. but lsd is man made right? so does lsd have an identity like say iboga is thought to have by those who use it? i kind of feel one with cannibis. it gives me an adrenalin like or apprehensive feeling as i approach it to smoke (very infrequently).

imo no one should do drugs till they are 30.

im going to go see daniel, if the bookstore thing goes according to schedule (march 3); any questions any one wants me to pose?

[sidecross]

Which book store suebee?

[suebee]

hey sidey you are surely welcome to come to the south bay - ill drive us over to santa cruz - capitola is the beach where the giant fossils are and the hundred shell layers....but but daniel will be in your town too....

Toward 2012 -- Book Tour Reality Sandwich is coming to a city near you! Join us for a night of celebration, conversations, and community bonding as RS contributors read from our first anthology. Invite friends, spread the word, and will the transformation in your area.

Boulder, CO: Daniel Pinchbeck, Michael Garfield, Tristan Gulliford at the Boulder Bookstore, 1107 Pearl St. Wed, Feb. 4, 7:30-9:30pm.

Portland, OR: Daniel Pinchbeck, Kal Cobalt, Paul Levy, and Taylor Ellwod at Powell’s on Burnside, 1005 W. Burnside. Tues, Feb. 17, 7-9pm.

Manhattan, NY: Adam Elenbaas and other RS readers TBA atEast West Books, 78 5th Ave. Fri, Feb. 6, 7:30-9:30p.

Capitola, CA: Daniel Pinchbeck at Capitola Books, 1475 41st Ave. Tues, Mar. 3, 7:30 – 9:30pm.
Oakland, CA: Erik Davis and Daniel Pinchbeck join forces at Diesel Bookstore, 5433 College Ave., Thurs, Mar. 5, 7-9pm.

Atlanta, GA: ST Frequency, Adam Elenbaas, and an RS panel at ParkGrounds Coffee Shop, 142 Flat Shoals Ave. SE, Sat, Feb. 21, 6pm.

[sidecross]

daniel is going to be again in Oakland at the Diesel book store less than a few minute walk from wher I live.

I saw him and met him there the last time he was in Oakland; there is no need for me see him again.

[suebee]

my mistake!! i thought you wanted to go. im going - to check him out without a pygmy elephant in the room. of course, its capitola, a pygmy elephant wouldnt surprise me.

[drew hempel]

It's too late -- I "seed-bombed" Danny-boy's new website with my recent full-lotus ayahuasca (mimosa) "research" -- 5 hours of death-defying RAINBOW VORTICES:

http://realitysandwich.com/psychedelics_light_yoga_sutras

[Isaiah Mpski]

Sidecross I appreciate your insight re Mr Pinchbeck.:skeptic:

I do appreciate this group and think Daniel has some good connections.:hmm:

[drew hempel]

Isaiah still growing melons like Quanah?

[Isaiah Mpski]

I think Quanum grew few melons Laird Hemp.;)
He was more into cattle,oil and gas;
and of course,women.:D

They took him on one of those wild west shows to Europe.He was knocking up so many of the "royals' they had to bring him home early.:o

Very few people know this,but Quanah Parker-through the King Ranch-furnished the money and the King Ranch bought half of Cuba.His intention was to have the largest cattle ranch in the world.

He was a true hybrid-a Mother of Celtic stock,a father,pure Comanche,his early life spent in mythical lands.Pure water etc.

Seriously few people knew the real Quanah Parker.And he "mellowed like a fine wine" with age.

[suebee]

cool drew. :cool:

[drew hempel]

http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com/2009/02/quantum-beats-beyond-rainbow.html

Here's my latest.

[Thom]

I'm quite enjoying Reality Sandwich, even if it hasn't always reached the heights BOTH scaled regularly in its hay day. I find I have lots to say about the articles posted, but the commenting function is somehow unwieldy and off-putting. Numerous times I've lost patience with the fiddly process and abandoned what I was writing. That's something that can be overcome I guess.

I think what RS is trying to do is materialise some of the ideas and illuminations that we discussed and that occurred here; turn them into ways of living - because it can be extremely difficult, when you step away from the mainstream, to maintain sanity, integrity and sobriety - especially as a young cub. RS (and the forthcoming Evolver), it seems to me, seeks to create a platform to help people to do this. I would have loved to have a place like RS to read when I was 16 and hearing that call impossible to answer...

Great to see you posting there recently Drew - I often wonder "what would Drew think" when reading articles over there haha - like this (http://www.realitysandwich.com/hungry_ghost_nation) one for example. Also great to see Sidecross posting there occasionally and Craazyman. Have you posted over there Willow? I occasionally read comments there and get a feeling that it might be you.

Well anyway I still check in here once a week or so. Although I didn't make it onto Lowlight's list of loved ones I still feel part of the family somehow (I'd add Whitewave, Proteus, Gelfer, Somantics, Dna, Mars, ST Frequency, Eaglewing many more, some of whom are still in contact with one another and keeping the secret flame alive). Something good happened here I reckon. I was browsing the archives recently, and ended up getting sidetracked for a whole day following random glittering threads in a delightful labyrinth....

Thats enough sentimentality. Back to work....!

[sidecross]

Thom

Good to hear from you. It made me check in on Reality Sandwich and was drawn to daniel's topic of Uncertainty.

I was reading through the comments to see if anyone mentioned the book Black Swan by Nassim Nicholas Taleb, and found a link longnow.org and an hour and 28 minute video talk by Taleb on his book.

Here is the link (I hope).

http://fora.tv/2008/02/04/Future_Has_Always_Been_Crazier_Than_We_Thought#cha pter_01

[drew hempel]

Thom -- that was a cool article -- thanks for the link. I just spent about 3 hours with an octogenarian art buddy of mine -- he studies Native American cutlure, Jeremy Narby's Cosmic Serpent book, Richard Schultes psychedelia and Jungian dream analysis and he's recorded 50,000 of his dreams! haha. I was sitting in full-lotus the whole time exorcising HIS demons and my own and the other peoples' in the room. This process consisted of multiple mutual climaxes with females in the room: meanwhile the shit went to my head, leaching bacteria through the gums and nose. So I imbibed tea tree oil and peppermint spirits and had to be careful to not OD on the stuff. The bliss kept deepening as do the ecstasy.

Then my buddy goes: Have you ever heard of reality sandwich? I'm surprised and I said not only have I heard of it but I took the website over just about a week ago. haha. Then after we continue on I ask him how he heard of it, etc. and then he pulls out the new 2012 book co-edited by Pinchbeck -- said he got it from Thom Hartmann on the radio.

I suppose you are not the same Thom. haha. Still if you that would be pretty wild.

Regardless my buddy stated that reality sandwich and this 2012 book was just the ESALAN SYNDROME - that's what he calls it and he was AT Esalan so he can say such.

I perused the whole book and was like yep -- it is ESALAN REHASH --

but then he stated how there was still some good core material if you dig and flesh it out. I said yeah I just kept trying to get those New Yorkers to check out http://springforestqigong.com -- take a class from Chunyi Lin or get a phone healing, etc.

My buddy had seen Yan Xin in NYC and Yan Xin taught Chunyi Lin so I said -- if the 2012 book had just had one chapter on Yan Xin then that would have made the whole book.

He didn't disagree.

[Isaiah Mpski]

"...ground control to Major Thom.Ground control to major Thom.."

Oh the music Revolution fueled by the Beatles.

Thom,
So good to hear from you and that you are safe and secure on the other side of the pond.
We don't need any more jug-eared Charlie Englishmen or burnedout Aussiemen here in the land of the Native Americans.

your friend,
Dr John D. Son BS BUS MD ND NMD,psychiatry

[sidecross]

I have not a clue why people who write ‘Daniel Pinchbeck is the next Timothy Leary’.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/06/books/06book.html?ref=books

:p

To be more specific, my complaint about daniel being compared to Timothy Leary has nothing to do with daniel as a writer.

I have had the pleasure to see and listen to Timothy Leary, Richard Albert (Ram Dass), Alan Watts and Terrence McKenna and all these people were more than writers they were entertainers, in the best sense of the term, too.

As I have written before ‘Breaking Open the Head’ is among the best four words ever used together, but daniel as a speaker is not in the same group as Leary, Ram Dass, Alan Watts, and Terrence McKenna.

I see no need to compare daniel to these other people.

[Somantics]

Hey all

I'm still here in the land of clouds. It's good to check in now and then to see what's going on 'round here.

Well there's been some changes - some predictable, some not so - but I predict that this board will come back to life again soon.

In fact, as we've been ambling around looking for some alternatives, we may just find that this a perfect spot to get new things going.

I've been working on http://www.projectdirt.com/group/transitiontownwandsworth

as a way of getting something in place for a forthcoming slide in living standard here in London....it may not ever be as bad as all that, but I think some postive action never hurts.

Hope all is good with you lot? It would be nice to hear how it really is for our cousins rather than the filtered soundbites from the toob!

cheers
Dan

[Thom]

You can check out Evolver here (http://evolver.civicactions.net/) if you have the time and inclination.

[suebee]

"I have had the pleasure to see and listen to Timothy Leary, Richard Albert (Ram Dass), Alan Watts and Terrence McKenna and all these people were more than writers they were entertainers, in the best sense of the term, too.
As I have written before ‘Breaking Open the Head’ is among the best four words ever used together, but daniel as a speaker is not in the same group as Leary, Ram Dass, Alan Watts, and Terrence McKenna." - sidecross

i saw daniel tues night. it was storming so badly here it took twice as long on the worst road in the bay area to get there. i liked daniel's offhand manner. he makes the seeming ridiculous sound sane, no easy task. he is absolutely articulate, a bit self deprecating, and... delicate. i dont know how he is usually, or much about his daily life, but i dont need to. he never pissed me off the way he seems to have the rest of you here... the audience in capitola was 75% ageing hippies (brains intact) and 25% under 30. the questions were interesting and i met some agreeable souls. my girlfriend went with me and now wants to read daniel's books.....

[Isaiah Mpski]

Dear Ms SueBee,
I think you have totally misjudged the audience that visits this web site.
I for one want to set up a physical place in Mexico where he can have his own throne and be the long-awaited Big Q.
My intentions are stricly honorable and political.:skeptic:

I have decided the Tepic area(from which the Astecs sprang) would be a good place to start.:D
Besides that it is the best wine making area in all of ol Mexico.:rolleyes:

[sidecross]

"I have had the pleasure to see and listen to Timothy Leary, Richard Albert (Ram Dass), Alan Watts and Terrence McKenna and all these people were more than writers they were entertainers, in the best sense of the term, too.
As I have written before ‘Breaking Open the Head’ is among the best four words ever used together, but daniel as a speaker is not in the same group as Leary, Ram Dass, Alan Watts, and Terrence McKenna." - sidecross

i saw daniel tues night. it was storming so badly here it took twice as long on the worst road in the bay area to get there. i liked daniel's offhand manner. he makes the seeming ridiculous sound sane, no easy task. he is absolutely articulate, a bit self deprecating, and... delicate. i dont know how he is usually, or much about his daily life, but i dont need to. he never pissed me off the way he seems to have the rest of you here... the audience in capitola was 75% ageing hippies (brains intact) and 25% under 30. the questions were interesting and i met some agreeable souls. my girlfriend went with me and now wants to read daniel's books.....


I am glad that you and your friend enjoyed daniel’s talk.

My original complaint has to do with daniel being compared as ‘the next Timothy Leary’. If daniel was enjoyable as you say, he need not be compared to anyone.

[Isaiah Mpski]

I whole heartedly agree with Sidey.
Daniel.There's something out of whack if you think a real Indian would go west of Washington,much less the Mississippi.

Plan your git together here,amongst the real Americans,and lets head southward toward our destiny in Mexico. ;)