Future Considerations

[Richard Gabriel]

Hi Everybody
Re: Future Considerations

The Schrodinger’s cat analogy I believe is valid to understand quantum interaction, but in human terms, we have to understand the timeline of human consciousness, (vibration.)
We have evolved in our known history and by compelling evidence from more ancient times, to a position where our emerging awareness is polarising attitudes across the world. This is a process of Probability.

The strength of Probability is now that our emergence to the threshold of understanding and acceptance of the Law of One has brought us to a critical vibrational mass where our reality will be flipped to a new viewing point. Within the perfection of chaos, (Re: Chaos theory,) cosmic cycles have evolved to place us in a position of wider Cosmic Probability.

It is accepted for example that there is ‘something’ causing the massive change, not only environmentally on our own world, but to a much greater degree on every body in our solar system. This may be to do with the cyclic approach of other cosmic bodies, or simply the result of unknown cyclic changes in our Sun. Whatever the source of these wider coincidental changes, the synchronicity they have with our planetary and human changes cannot be ignored.

We always tend to dumb down the possibility of a greater order in the way of things. This makes the idea of cosmic synchronicity hard to accept for most people. However the planetary changes taking place and the critical vibrationary level we are approaching may be an inevitable cycle within cycles that reflects not only our own tortuous pathway of probability as a race, but also that of the cosmos. If so then we are undergoing no more than ‘transformation.’

The transformation may indeed include sudden cataclysmic upheaval, but whatever is Actualised, our progression as a species is assured on various levels of equally valid reality, which will undoubtedly include an apparent Earth of raised vibration and bounty for some, and a return to more feudal existence for others.

There is the element also to consider that from the eminently sensible anticipation of our own exterrestial ancestors, and probably a few other evolved ET races, there is bound to come a time when they will interact with us. What better time would there be than when such possible changes become realised. We can therefore only ‘anticipate’ with an open mind and an aspiration to higher levels where we are far more likely to receive the forewarning we seek.

Blessings
Richard
with Judith
http://www.richardgabriel.info

[Isaiah Mpski]

Richard.I know how we can make some money.
You need to get over here quickly and get to work with me,Robin Hood.
Google McIntosh County Oklahoma Sheriff.:hmm:

A Nuclear winter in GB would be little fun.;)Try and get hold of Nanouk.She is supposed to be trying to get a submarine from some worn out army over there for me.
You could pilot the thing over to the Indian Nations and Lake Eufaula.:D

What I figure is when,we re-establish the bird-man(Daniel) on his throne,all manner of things could happen.
I've located a large parcel of land in the Mexican State of Nayarit for cell.
Even has a hot spring,and 45 minutes from the Pacific.
Year round organic everything.;)

[sidecross]

Richard and Judith

I would suggust reading The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Swan-Impact-Highly-Improbable/dp/1400063515/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243468786&sr=1-1

[Richard Gabriel]

I gotta thank you sidecross… you sure know how to make a person work for their supper.
We may shy from a workout, but it sure as hell does us good lol.

OK so what do we have here? Author Mr Taleb attracts an amazing 400 plus Amazon reader review critiques to his work. I have not read the actual book, but after speed reading reams of reviews I feel very familiar with his proposals.

If I paraphrase and pare them to the bone it would be to say:
“Pure Luck is what produces the metaphorical Black Swan occasionally; and predicting strength of probability is a weak notion practiced by people who have their heads up their mathematical calculators!” The reviews glow for a few inches, but become less kind as they roll out to their hundreds. I have copy/pasted below, after my response, two of many contrasting slices of the same opinion from the reviews.

As to my own thoughts : - )
A trapper rises from his position and aims his rifle across the valley flats. From around the rise a buffalo comes into view grazing its way forward. A couple of others trail behind. The trapper is pleased. He will feed his family tonight, and the pelt will swell his purse.

Unseen to the trapper, across the valley a native hunting party stirs beneath their savannah Gilly suits, eager to shed the camouflage and bag a few hooves and hides. They have followed the herd and watch closely as the leaders sidle forward, testing the route before the thousands behind them catch up.

Unseen by the by the native hunters, thousands of miles away, the men in suits prepare for another Scalar test. The plains of another country will be desolate enough for a rapid storm reaction in their race to perfect their weapon.

Out in space, unseen by all, a crew of alien interlopers survey the scene and consider the probabilities if they don’t intervene.

The trapper could fire first to thwart the plans of the hunting party and end up as the prey himself. The hunting party could attack first and the trapper would go hungry. The Scalar test could be triggered and spook the buffalo herd, who may then trample all the hunters.
The interlopers could intervene to neutralize everything, and alter the balance of international power. And so on…
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Each of the players in this contrived scenario have an expectation of Probability.
Which of them is right?
In truth, none of them; but all of them, are right!
The operating factor is “their Viewing Point.”

It is clear that Mr Taleb sees from a viewing point that could have been any one of the players I invented; or one of the thousands of other players that could have been added to the theatre. The bulk of the reviewers saw this; and contradict the intellectual monopoly which Mr Taleb seems to claim. Mr Taleb says, the Black Swan cannot be predicted, but that is how ‘he’ sees it. I wonder; has he ever had a supernormal experience? Has his life been filled with supernormal experience? This is true for countless others who have the intellect and prowess to test their ongoing understanding from ‘their’ viewing point, then to arrive at an acceptance of the quantum way of things.

This is a viewing point that grasps the instantaneous communication between particles and thus the same property in all matter. This is the viewing point that appreciates when we step beyond the conditioned limitations of our physical world; (viz a viz quote/commentary on Mr T’s self description: an erudite "gentleman trader," a rogue philosopher among philistines and eggheads!) ….we can at least understand how it may be possible to tap into probability scenarios way beyond bell models and calculators. The quantum view gained mainstream modern acceptance out of the experiments done by Alain Aspect. (He succeeded in the process of giving even Einstein a deserved slap for getting it wrong.)

The point is that Mr T. probably presents a compelling case that is so right… but only from ‘his’ viewing point. Unfortunately his viewing point, so far as I have been able to determine, does not venture beyond the enclosure of his own physical conditioning to appreciate the ultimate possibilities on the other side of Schrödinger’s cat.
As such his view deserves respect within context, but if we want to appreciate the strength of ultimate Probability, we have to travel the pathways within ourselves that lead beyond quantum to the connection and interaction of all things.
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And as promised... here are a couple of review snips.
I chose these to demonstrate how in one, someone as an intellectual equal at very least in Mr T's domain, was able to strip Mr T's precept to shreds using Mr T's own rules and language.

In the second example, a reviewer exposes the cage of conditioning I spoke of, that would inevitably limit Mr T's contribution to the viewing point of a lone hunter on the plain.

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QUOTE 1:
He also recognizes that there is another world where the Gaussian distribution and other light-tailed parametric distributions prevail and he calls this the world of mediocrastan. Here, the usual parametric statistics is useful but in Taleb's view it is not very common in practice to be in a mediocrastan world. This is the world of parametric statistics and is the place where most elementary courses in statistics reside. But here is also where I think Taleb makes a big mistake. He assume that this is the world where all statisticians and econometricians live and play and so these teachings are irrelevant to the practical world. Well, in many of the areas he discusses the parametric statistical models do not work. But probabilist, statisticians and econometricians have realized this for at least the past 60 years. In the 1930s and 1940s the field of nonparametric statistics developed through the work of Pitman, Mann and Whitney and Wilcoxon to name a few. Also the theory of extreme value distributions goes back to Fisher and Tippett in 1929 and was rigorously developed by Gnedenko in the 1940s. Nonparametric statistics deals with general distributions that do not have a simple parametric form and includes the heavy-tailed distributions that Taleb cares about. Also the asymptotic theory of extreme values that Fisher and Tippett, Gumbel and Gnedenko discovered showed that the extreme events had systematic behavior based on the three extreme-value types of distributions. So the extremes can be treated using asymptotic statistical theory just as well as the averages can be characterized asymptotically through the central limit theorem and the stable laws (in the case of a heavy-tailed population distribution). So in some ways Taleb is off and out of gas because he doesn't address or perhaps is even ignorant of this theory.
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QUOTE 2:
While he brings up some great points, he, in my opinion, comes to some wrong conclusions based on these due to his cynicism and blinding anger (about issues such as his previous home in Lebanon). I am very sympathetic to the issues he has/is going through, but I urge readers to consider that they are reading conclusions of a very unpeaceful mind.
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Phew !!

Blessings
Richard
with Judith
http://www.richardgabriel.info

[Richard Gabriel]

IM.

Good buddy, no joking, we have our primus stove and a few blankets packed and waiting. Boy.. you gonna get a shock when us two waifs turn up on your doorstep.!

We been thinking of you over there hacking at the icicles and hoar frost these last couple of months. Judith stopped me from sending over a few English tea cosies even though I swore they made brilliant ball warmers in an ice storm.

In the meantime we are playing out our plans. we got a couple of important loose ends to tie up in Egypt first before we head to your side of the big country; but we always got one eye on the clock and the barometer.

Dont know if the sub is such a good idea though. Got this prickly vision of the wave bonking us hard against a Rocky rock.

Keep the faith mon ami cos were relying on the built-in clock and early warning system. We're a mite sure we'll be twanging a bow with you in the forest before the bogey men get us.

Blessings
Rich.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Again,you and yours are welcome anytime.;)
This NK thing though has got me a bit worried and if I were you I'd sure to be someplace where you might have a chance to survive a nuclear winter.:confused:Which our place certainly is.
And I'm afraid Californis would be on my list of last places to be SB.
It may not happen this time and lets hope it never does but things could really get out of kelter with the military and the like.
Believe it or not,we have military commanders praying that NK crosses the line.:)

[sidecross]

Richard and Judith

Reading Amazon’s reader’s reviews is not what I consider a very good appreciation of the book or the author.

Taleb is a supporter of the philosopher Karl Popper. Since you have not even read Taleb’s book or have shown any understanding of Karl Popper’s work you make a rather long post that offers nothing.

[Richard Gabriel]

We take your seriousness for sure, and thank you again for the beacon.

Behind the plan of the plan, the BB Group and their cohorts are undoubtedly playing out their final strokes before the cosmic kick up the arse delivers its own stroke of some kind. Their damned bunkers won't save them!

We gotten into the habit of watching for every world news drama, and the timing of it... and then looking behind it to the World, to discern what is happening within that timeframe, which the BB group et al. would love us 'not' to be focussing on. It's really surprising how easy it is to see the pattern of 'un' events every time that are actually the real 'major' events everybody should be seeing. eg. Gotta see the influence of the Roths at work behind the Northern K. escalation... or should I say, diversion.
( did you get the story of how the whole political system has just been ripped open in the UK to expose crooks by the dozen) Ya cant catch enough news here to keep up with the rats among them that are having to jump ship to get away from prosecution! In the US, the whole economy is on the brink of collapse... but heh! when the s1 hit hits the fan... there are plenty of empty internment holiday camps waiting for naughty protestors to fill them with.

Judith came up with another good indicator. Keep eye to the novelty news for anything to do with different animal behaviour. They know to make a move even before any s1 hit hits the fan. ...weren't that many killed from the tsunami... They were all bricking it to the hills where they could, long before anybody got their feet wet!

The minute my alarm clock goes off, I will be bricking it in the right direction to catch up with Judith, hot in the direction the animals are going.

lol Rich

[Richard Gabriel]

Hi sidecross,

I'm shaking my head in disappointment at your reply.
I quite openly admitted to not reading the original work you recommended.
However, a body of reviews running to over 400 cannot be dismissed so lightly; and many of those reviews were offered by learned authors.
I did not have the book to hand, but faced the challenge of Mr T's work as best as I was able.

Those reviews probably outdid the volume of the actual book, and were mostly intelligent and serious disseminations of it. I spent a long time considering them and one theme often surfaced, that the core of the book was blighted by an indulgence of padding. I was greatful therefore for the ability the reviews gave me to get to the heart of his matter.

I felt however my task was not to dwell in the pedantics of his presentation and formatting, but to get to the gist of what he was saying. I always thought this was the purpose in any case for any review, of any book ever written. In truth, a cover review or critique, would whet the appetite for the reader to devour and walk the walk themselves. But as said, the circumstances from your post were different, and were helped by a little more than a simple cover review or critique.

I trust my average 'take' on the work from the many reviews I read, and I do believe I 'got' the gist of what he was trying to say. Furthermore, I understood enough from it to place it within the context of my own earlier post, and undoubtedly the counter point you alluded to by offering the title to me for consideration.

I addressed this in my response and I am genuinely disappointed you felt the need to summarily dismiss it as you did.

Ah well... the world keeps spinning... and the eyes still stare from the shadows.
It aint gonna get dark enough for them to feel comfortable out here if the quantum army have anything to do with it.

Blessings
Rich

[Isaiah Mpski]

Tuuche.:p
Take that Sidecross,but don't take it too hard,we appre cia te you.although,not quite as useful as the Wall Street Journal,closer at hand.
Me thinks you must have been a librarian at the lost library many moons ago serving in the capacity of one of the best readers toward that which we are rapidly approaching from many angles.
Have you learned anything about wind generators and solar cells though?
Just a friendly push toward something more useful than seeking out tourists traps and states to get lost in.;)

[Isaiah Mpski]

I saw an interview of the President and one of our top guys in South Korea.
I think,under his breathe he said something like,the General that is,
"I'd love to fry a million or more Communist Soldiers":)

I betcha a nickel to a dollar he was a West Point Graduate.:hmm:

I saw where Daniel is charging 100$ to eat supper with him.
I wonder if he'll send me round-trip airfare as I seem to be one of the last Crazy People here.:(

If any of you are headin down I-40 through eastern Ok,my farm is lakefront at exit 262.:eek:

[Richard Gabriel]

mon ami, if you're one of the last crazy people out there, then there's a helluva lot of us with you. When the s1 hit starts to hit the fan, I hope you got enough fish griddles to cope with the rush that will be heading your way lol.

Rich

[Isaiah Mpski]

Women and children first,except of course a few well chosen helpers,and no psychopathic personalities..

[craazyman]

If the extremes are modeled with asymptotic theory, then the models don't lend themselves to creation of a regulatory regime crafted by lobbyists to facilitate the expropriation of public money through bailouts directed into the pockets of the ass 'em totes (that's a Bopesian twist of words). Their are many statistical theories that are rigorous and that explain the historical data. The task of the bankster is to justify their pradations on the dubious use of simpler theories that seem profound but only cloud judgment and obfuscate the theft occurring. This is Taleb's point, and it is unmistakably valid. The real theoretical void is the articulation of how money, as a notion and concept, relates to public good and why the unfettered printing of money to bail out the banksters is a form of larceny.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Bopesian twist.
Sounds destined to hit the top ten new phrases of 09.
What about this?
"whamabama." or in the Comanche language,
He who puts ten million scalps on the wall.Fuk u nk.

Crazy Man across the wide raging river.

I don't want to sound entirely beligerant toward KIm,
but if you will just ask for food and medicines. I'm sure
your needs will be met in time if you approach US in a civil manner.
Not like a bunch of drunk Indians.

Another phrase,
"Stipeism" google Gene Stipe,Pittsburg County,Oklahoma.Choctaw Nation.

[Richard Gabriel]

Craazyman, I thank you for your opinion and elucidation of what Taleb’s was trying to postulate in his ‘Black Swan’ work. I added your critique to the hundreds of other learned critiques I considered through the Amazon reviews, and modified my statistical model accordingly.

We must assume of course the points you made, were indeed the points that ‘sidecross’ was also trying to make. This is hard to judge, because sidecross simply recommended a book to read, and gave no ‘hook’ to its content in relation to the post that prompted it.

Since his offering was surely not an extemporised recommendation we must turn to my prior post to find the hook ourselves.

I endeavoured heavily, from my own tested experience, to offer a personal overview for the state of vibrational unfoldment in our world and our role within it. I alluded to a growing strength of probability for identified factors that may indeed be the prognosticator for a key tipping point of physical and vibrational change in our world.
I postulated the best course of action with so-called ‘signs,’ was to seek validation within one’s own Presence.

In my response to sidecross, I assumed his reference to the work of Mr T. was that:
‘even under the auspices of academic giants and the power of their asymptotic theory, there could be no reconciliation between (assumed) random empirical perceptions from the world around us, and any proposal for the future of our planet and race.’

My feeling is that the assumed allusion inferred by sidecross, did not tie with the literal dissection of Mr T’s work which you supplied. I am bound to say also, that although I have joined to throw in a few obtuse elucidations ( a contrary twist of words,) I much prefer plainer speak.

Neither the linear models of Gauss nor the reduction assumptions within asymptotic theory can accommodate the objective validations emerging from an out of body experience. The symbiotic relationship between a physical body and its inhabiting Presence can be stretched to give a subjective experience producing objective validation. I speak from personal experience. These areas deal with matters that would be lost to statistical inference for anyone who had not been schooled beyond quantum… or to be more exact, to anyone who had not regained their memory of the workings beyond quantum.

But here’s the real twist. When you rejoin beyond quantum, asymptotic theory and any other form of stats modelling can be thrown out the window because in such a state, subjective and objective become as one. Those bound to the confinement of the physical world can only dwell in the high echelons of pseudo intellect and are limited to describe and evaluate the evidence presented from such derivative sources as poor empirical observation… which of course can be swallowed up in the world of Mr T and asymptotics.
Convictions based on tested personal experience are not transferrable, but a fair argument can be proposed from those who have visited quantum to say that, ‘any’ model which functions to limits of physical confinement must be flawed. Omnipotent and omnipresent; viz a viz the Law of One, is the only condition where the pedantics of academic explanation are redundant forever. I sought in other form, to convey the flavour of this in my original response.

As to the piggy-back you gave sidecross …. I would actually agree with your (fairly literal) transposition, but it could have been told much more bluntly. Ie.

The bankers got their grubby greedy little snouts so far up the arse of the futures markets and the zillions of profit they were turning, that they left any semblance of stats models in their wake. They figured the public as a bunch of dumb shits, and it came as a surprise afterwards when the public understood perfectly well how the banking community had been on a simple futures greed fest. It needed no reference to Mr T. nor any fancy statistic modelling to know what had happened; but too late to stop it. The public ‘were’ dumb shits not realising ‘before’ it happened.

The irony is though; the ones at the top knew ‘exactly’ what they were doing. They didn’t crash with the banking cannon fodder and public below them… They were part of the Roths master plan, and guess what…. We dumb public shits have let them do it again under our messianic leaders, as every last dime is squeezed from us to prop them up with another money trough to get their snouts into.

But from this humble empirical position I see how the quantum gateway allows ‘anyone’ to escape these fcuk fests by centering to self; and while the stats modellers are puzzling over their latest version, the wave will catch them up.. and we will be off shooting arrows in a forest somewhere!

Blessings
Richard
http://www.richardgabriel.info

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[sidecross]

Craazyman, I thank you for your opinion and elucidation of what Taleb’s was trying to postulate in his ‘Black Swan’ work. I added your critique to the hundreds of other learned critiques I considered through the Amazon reviews, and modified my statistical model accordingly.

We must assume of course the points you made, were indeed the points that ‘sidecross’ was also trying to make. This is hard to judge, because sidecross simply recommended a book to read, and gave no ‘hook’ to its content in relation to the post that prompted it.

Since his offering was surely not an extemporised recommendation we must turn to my prior post to find the hook ourselves.

I endeavoured heavily, from my own tested experience, to offer a personal overview for the state of vibrational unfoldment in our world and our role within it. I alluded to a growing strength of probability for identified factors that may indeed be the prognosticator for a key tipping point of physical and vibrational change in our world.
I postulated the best course of action with so-called ‘signs,’ was to seek validation within one’s own Presence.

In my response to sidecross, I assumed his reference to the work of Mr T. was that:
‘even under the auspices of academic giants and the power of their asymptotic theory, there could be no reconciliation between (assumed) random empirical perceptions from the world around us, and any proposal for the future of our planet and race.’

My feeling is that the assumed allusion inferred by sidecross, did not tie with the literal dissection of Mr T’s work which you supplied. I am bound to say also, that although I have joined to throw in a few obtuse elucidations ( a contrary twist of words,) I much prefer plainer speak.

Neither the linear models of Gauss nor the reduction assumptions within asymptotic theory can accommodate the objective validations emerging from an out of body experience. The symbiotic relationship between a physical body and its inhabiting Presence can be stretched to give a subjective experience producing objective validation. I speak from personal experience. These areas deal with matters that would be lost to statistical inference for anyone who had not been schooled beyond quantum… or to be more exact, to anyone who had not regained their memory of the workings beyond quantum.

But here’s the real twist. When you rejoin beyond quantum, asymptotic theory and any other form of stats modelling can be thrown out the window because in such a state, subjective and objective become as one. Those bound to the confinement of the physical world can only dwell in the high echelons of pseudo intellect and are limited to describe and evaluate the evidence presented from such derivative sources as poor empirical observation… which of course can be swallowed up in the world of Mr T and asymptotics.
Convictions based on tested personal experience are not transferrable, but a fair argument can be proposed from those who have visited quantum to say that, ‘any’ model which functions to limits of physical confinement must be flawed. Omnipotent and omnipresent; viz a viz the Law of One, is the only condition where the pedantics of academic explanation are redundant forever. I sought in other form, to convey the flavour of this in my original response.

As to the piggy-back you gave sidecross …. I would actually agree with your (fairly literal) transposition, but it could have been told much more bluntly. Ie.

The bankers got their grubby greedy little snouts so far up the arse of the futures markets and the zillions of profit they were turning, that they left any semblance of stats models in their wake. They figured the public as a bunch of dumb shits, and it came as a surprise afterwards when the public understood perfectly well how the banking community had been on a simple futures greed fest. It needed no reference to Mr T. nor any fancy statistic modelling to know what had happened; but too late to stop it. The public ‘were’ dumb shits not realising ‘before’ it happened.

The irony is though; the ones at the top knew ‘exactly’ what they were doing. They didn’t crash with the banking cannon fodder and public below them… They were part of the Roths master plan, and guess what…. We dumb public shits have let them do it again under our messianic leaders, as every last dime is squeezed from us to prop them up with another money trough to get their snouts into.

But from this humble empirical position I see how the quantum gateway allows ‘anyone’ to escape these fcuk fests by centering to self; and while the stats modellers are puzzling over their latest version, the wave will catch them up.. and we will be off shooting arrows in a forest somewhere!

Blessings
Richard
http://www.richardgabriel.info

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Read the fucking book and stop reading other peoples reviews.

And take your 'Blessings' some where else. A Black Swan may be near, but you will never know it. You are so deep in your personal perceptions and beliefs that you are blind to other possibilities

To paraphrase Taleb and Karl Popper all people are participants and not just observers, and participants never are capable of a final and true observation.

As J.B.S. Haldane wrote ‘the universe is not stranger than we suppose, it is stranger than we can suppose’.

A black swan is just another piece of the expanding puzzle. There is no final conclusion.

[Richard Gabriel]

Tsk, tsk! sidecross. Emotion = no control!

Read the fucking book and stop reading other peoples reviews.

Since you gave no review, I was unable to read your's... and in fact you gave no hook nor hint as to the point you were promoting, except the book recommendation... and of course I did not have a spare copy of said work waiting for me to grab from my shelf and tuck into... so I had to do the best I could myself from a guess at your motivation. However I did read the sectioned review from craazyman and that helped.

And take your 'Blessings' some where else. A Black Swan may be near, but you will never know it. You are so deep in your personal perceptions and beliefs that you are blind to other possibilities

Hmm,. I guess that is why I took the trouble to try and unravel the point you were trying to make; not from your own construction... but through the leverage of someone else's tome.
I constantly refer to the knowlege of matter at quantum and beyond, and that tested convictions are not transferrable. I have failed miserably therefore to convey the point to you; upon joining with a state of 'one' beyond quantum, you don't have to look for Black Swans, ..... you create them yourself!

To paraphrase Taleb and Karl Popper all people are participants and not just observers, and participants never are capable of a final and true observation.

At last...something said, which I have no disagreement with, though I played with babble speak, when 'I' said basically the same thing.
Convictions based on tested personal experience are not transferrable, but a fair argument can be proposed from those who have visited quantum to say that, ‘any’ model which functions to limits of physical confinement must be flawed. Omnipotent and omnipresent; viz a viz the Law of One, is the only condition where the pedantics of academic explanation are redundant forever. I sought in other form, to convey the flavour of this in my original response.

I would only add however, if Taleb /Popper began their work with your extract as a headline banner, it seems to me a lot of people would have been left scratching their head at the end of it, thinking 'What on earth were they going on about then?'

I also wholeheartedly agree with the last two quotes you gave... but I would still love to know what 'you' think? Your reply gave only a brief emotive indication.

Perhaps 'I' can add a couple of reflective quotes to help...
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Quote:from my own diary,
There is a plan.. It is the one seen by Fools.. and it is the plan born of the Senses

There is a plan.. seen by the Seeker.. and it can be the plan of Self-delusion

There is a plan.. which yields everything to those, who themselves yield everything.

To gain all ..But first, to know how to give up everything within ourselves.

Must we gather all to gain all? ...when Truth is the opposite.

We covet our possessions and Life parts us from those possessions...

This is Resistance

In Resistance dwells Conflict

In Conflict, there is imbalance

Balance is the journey through both; and Perfection is the product of all.

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And finally..
CHUANGTSE-

When Knowledge traveled north, across the Black Water and over the Dark Steep Mountains, he met Do-nothing Say-nothing and asked him about Tao, and Do-nothing Say-nothing did not reply.

He turned back and went to the south of the White Water, up the Fox Hill and asked All-in-extremes about Tao. "Ha! I know. I will tell you..." But just as he was about to speak, he seemed to forget what he was going to say and Knowledge also received no reply.

Then he came back to the royal palace and asked Yellow Emperor concerning Tao. And the latter said, "Man becomes alive from the collection of the vital spirit. When the vital spirit collects, he is alive, and when it scatters, he dies. If life and death are steady companions, why should I care?"

Therefore all things are one. What we love is the mystery of life. What we hate is corruption in death. But the corruptible in turn becomes mysterious life, and mysterious life once more becomes corruptible. The world is permeated by one spirit. Therefore the Sage places value upon unity."

"Then you and I know Tao, and they don't," said Knowledge.

"Do-nothing Say-nothing was right," replied the Yellow Emperor.
"All-in-extremes was quite near it. But you and I are still far from Tao. He who knows does not speak, and he who speaks does not know."

"I asked Do-nothing Say-nothing about Tao," said Knowledge, "but he did not answer me. Not that he would not, but he could not. So I asked All-in-extremes. He was just going to tell me, but he did not tell me. Not that he would not, but just as he was going to do so, he forgot what he wanted to say. Now I ask you and you are able to tell me. Why do you say, therefore, that you are far from Tao??"

"Of the two," repiled the Yellow Emperor, "the former was genuinely right, because he really did not know. The latter was quite near it, because he had forgotten. You and I are still far from Tao, because we know."

When All-in-extremes heard this remark, he praised the Yellow Emperor for knowing what he was talking about.
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Read in peace sidecross... We will all be meeting up sometime, where probabilities are an instant product of 'being,' and where economic models, intimidating intellectual babble-speak and bullshit statistics, will be as effective as a feather duster. Hissy fits now do not help us to get closer to that time.

Blessings
Richard
http://www.richardgabriel.info

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[Isaiah Mpski]

But an iron rod to back it up mostly like makes the final point.
Unless of course,there really is,a 'true free library'

In other words,you can be right as reign,but a bullet in your head leaves you where?
The truth is,
and ...the truth shall set you freee... louie.

[Richard Gabriel]

hehe... never a truer word IM. There are a few of them being wielded around the world right now.
re. library.. I think I caught sight of it on this occasion...

On my nightly walk with my dog, my route traced a path along the Avenues at the edge of town.
I loved the calm of the night air and the silent activity of the growing plants and trees in the gardens I passed.
I rarely met anyone along the way; no one to share the narcotic scent from the night stock or miniture Pines. I was strangely glad to have the moment to myself.

There was one young Beech tree I passed, standing alone like a striving juvenile under the penetrating orange glow from a nearby Argon lamp.
Its shape and form were balanced with such symmetry and beauty that I always stopped to wonder as it glistened in the etherial light.
I loved that tree.

One night it was very misty and my walk followed the usual pattern.
But this time the heavy mist brought a gentle hush as even the sound of my breath disappeared into silence before me.
My route opened through the swirl for each few yards, and my eyes peered to focus in the diffused auric light.

I felt so immersed in the incredible beauty of it all.
I reached my tree and lingered to share its spirit.
I found myself speaking to it to thank it for its contribution to the world.
That same detached feeling overcame; as before Out of Body.

Suddenly I was seeing from the perspective of the tree.
Everything went to slow motion and in a flash I was 'one' with the fibres of the tree.
I could feel the sap rising from the ground and the liquid energy drawing through me.

There was no feeling of separation to the ground.
I felt myself being drawn along the connections in the earth to the life force in other plants and trees nearby.
The feeling spread in a surge which must have lasted only moments and then in a blinding nano second I was one with all that came from the ground across the whole Planet.
The vastness condensed into that moment and into the space it was gathered in my head. There was no distance. There was no time. It simply 'was.'

My senses returned and found I had continued my walk for several hundreds of yards.
Tears were running down my face.
It was so very profound.
I was humbled and grateful for the privilege of the experience.

The question asks how we will know when we have made the connection.
When it happens it is total.

When it happens, there is no doubt.


lol
Richard

[Isaiah Mpski]

You know Richard,I too had those feelings,on a beach in Galveston and came away with if I can just walk and talk peacefully with "the boss" I am blessed.

If you are seriously considering to the land of the people who have lived forever you need to learn all you can about our Indian History.
The Government sent 67 different tribes to Oklahoma and told us they would never bother us again.:hmm:
And then they got into a 'Civil" war and we got divided and robbed even more.:evil:

Google Quanum Parker.Obviously connected to Islam somehow as he had at least 9 wives.I am 7th generation from Him.Maybe 3rd,if he really did fake his death to escape the world he bowed down to.Big oil and cattle ranches.
By the time he became"civilized" the great Buffalo herds had been slaughtered the gold fever had spread rather quickly,despite the laws which existed in the Territory.Oklahoma is unique in that it is really a Seperate Nation from the US,although subject to her laws and PROTECTIONS.
If you can find the picture of him with the diamond bolo tie,I still have one of thoise jewels if I git real desperate.

There are also pictures of him levatating(sic) in front of his teepee.

He was a character,seduced by the cattle barons and the White Government.
The last war chief to surrender and die.:eek:
You can see his picture on PickOverFlow group on Yahoo groups-misc pics-Jon,and yes I am holding a machine gun behind me.We were celebrating his 150th birthday.Compare the pictures,the scars,the moles.Remember though,the old picture is a mirror image.
Remember the picture I put on with MM,Sunni and E.Taylor Willow.That was a celebration of his passing at Eufaula,in Santa Fe,1991.

I also got to do a Hx on the guy who built the railroad to the Panama Canal.
He lived in San Antonio,Texas.Landis Wison.
If there were fist members of an organization we call the CIA.he was one,and yes he too had more than one wife.
He had a 5 mile right of way to Panama as long as he head south.
He told me he went through the middle of every pyramid his scout tems could find.

[Richard Gabriel]

Thank you dearly for those leads. I will pursue them well.
I have always had a deep affinity with the native nations and maybe in particular Blackfoot,and Judith has a direct Cherokee ancestory. We have also received mindblowing synchronicities when we have been researching stuff around the New Mexico area.

We have always planned when we are done with the tasks we are trying to complete in Egypt, we will be heading out west to where our spirits take us for the final turn of this wheel. We just want to get back to grass roots in time for it all to unfold.

The one consolation we hang on to is our belief that for all the evil that some men have done to others, especially to indigenous peoples, their concrete bunkers will not stop their final reckoning.

I would normally say that our ancient ancestors must be turning over in their graves at the way things are turning out, but for sure they have been fighting in the queue to return and 'become' again in our world for when the scales tip in a new direction.

Rich.

[willoweyes]

Craazy, why do you consider the unfettered printing of money (for whatever reason? or just to "bail out" the moneymen? (and the reason I put "bail out" in parenthesis, is because I'm beginning to have this funny feeling that the moneymen didn't need bailing out so much as they were just taking the last desperate cutting from the green of the Commons. . . )(which is what I presume Craazy was saying in the first part of his learned statement?)

well, in keeping with the rest of the prose on this thread, THAT sentence became a bit convoluted--

so Craazy, why do you feel: "The real theoretical void is the articulation of how money, as a notion and concept, relates to public good and why the unfettered printing of money to bail out the banksters is a form of larceny."

Paul Krugman has already told us that those frightened paranoids who fear inflation are poor simpletons--and he has a Nobel.

So, if inflation is not ready to sink upon us like an enormous Macy's Day parade balloon, filled with lead, how is printing money larceny?

But then we know what Taleb thought of the Nobel in economics--or we do if we read the book. . . .

[Isaiah Mpski]

Willow,I am headin toward Mexico as soon as I file my
FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT in Muskogee.

Did you see where the local F.F.I. busted the local sheriff and his Undersheriff?McIntosh County Ok.
And not only that but Jones is President of the Southeastern Oklahoma Sheriffs Asso cia tions.
I have always gotten along with him real well,and he is an Indian,still in charge of about a dozen Indian Nations Deputies.
He might at most get some punishment equivalent to a traffic ticket but I don't intend to try and put him in jail,but then again,this Comanche ain't stopping for no flashing lights and the like.
In Fact I am headin toward Mexico.Wioow may I use your name (and CD of course) as references as to future work with the govenment and credir cards?

In His name I remain
the same
oilman
from
Carter County.I will sell you an oil well in the City limits or give you half of what you get if you sell it.
Remember,it has been pumping for several years and needs to be redrilled.
I do though have a 150 acre mineral deed where alot of activity has taken place nearby on the old Noble Place,I think and I would take 10k outright fer it.

[bopes]

my my! this has turned into quite the lively thread.

I wish I could add something appropriately bopesian, but I'm drawing a blank . . .

[Richard Gabriel]

hehe... keep holding your breath bopes.
Looks like there may also be mileage over on "The Left Hand Path" thread lol.

Rich.

[Richard Gabriel]

IM I been reading all that too. What the h is going on over at your Sherrif's department? Is almost like some of them gotten hold of a bad batch of weed!
Either that or some serious issues are bubbling to the surface like at the Capital and Commons, or over in Ko!!

Like the world has turned into an even bigger soap opera, but a mite more dangerous.

Rich

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[Isaiah Mpski]

That's it Bopes-the definition- holding one's breath while knowing the truth Well no,that doesn't quite fit.
What do you think IT means Craazy?
Is it is or isn't it?

It is very much akin to the attitudes brought into this world by the slave traders.

And Richard,I am literally afraid to go out to my garden for fear of the high level gang activity that goes on out there.
But,Juan must do what juan must do if he loves good more than evil.

And just to think Richard, Jones was President of the Southeastern Oklahoma Sheriff's Association.That'll make you think twice if you see red lights in the rear view mirror.
That's gittin real close to Willow's ranch.

I think my wifes is gonna get a 223,or AR-15 in Viet Nam language.There were apparently some problems with it jammin back then so I think I'll see if I can talk her into something more NATOish.
Donations accepted and put to work.Boxholder POB 243,Checotah,Ok,74426.

[craazyman]

willow,

one of the standard equations in classical economics is that:

GNP = Money Supply X Money Velocity.

Money supply is the amount of paper currency and deposits (loosely) in circulation. Money velocity is simply an algebraic notion equal to GNP divided by Money Supply.

When the money stock grows slowly and GNP grows fast, economists say money velocity has increased. Why does money velocity increase? Generall, it has to do with extension of credit. If credit extended through credit cards, loans, mortgages, etc. is growing, then people tend to spend more actively, which boosts sales, profits and GNP.

Governments regulate the money supply very carefully. As you know, counterfeiting is a crime punishable by imprisonment. Isaac Newton, when he was head of the British Mint, would reportedly take great pleasure in hanging counterfeiters.

What's clear from the above is that there is no fundamental difference between money supply and money velocity when it comes to influencing GNP. Both are equally relevant.

There is one difference however. The Fed controls money supply but not velocity. Velocity is controlled to some degree by financial intermediaries who extend credit. The Fed attempts to keep some concept of the public good in mind when it regulates money. In fact, it is mandated by charter to promote economic growth and low inflation.

The extension of credit, therefore, is equivalent theoretically to printing money. But the moneylenders have no such charter that regulates their affairs, except whatever regulation is imposed on them. The erosion of control over extension of credit due to the influence of Wall Street lobbyists in recent years gave Wall Street increasing leeway to extend credit and boost monetary velocity. They did so legally, but recklessly, making a fortue for themselves in the process (although some lost it when their stock in their companies went to zero).

Nevertheless, because the boosting of velocity is the same, fundamentall, as creation of money, it is a form of public serviced, sort of a public good. Your analysis of the erosion of the common good is right on the mark.

What Wall Street did was effectively the same as counterfeiting money. The counterfeit money is accepted as real money, until it is recognized as counterfeit. Wall Street's credit, which boosted monetary velocity and GNP, was seen as real until it collapsed. In the meantime, many took the resulting profits and converted them into other forms of wealth -- gold, stocks, bonds, currencies, etc. In effect, it was like counterfeiting the currency and converting it into another real currency before the counterfeiting was recognized as such.

This should never have been allowed to take place. It's a bit more complicated than my example, but I think I hit the bones of it.

[suebee]

we gave the counterfeiters more money.

[sidecross]

Here is some worthy information from Kevin Phillips book Bad Money: Reckless Finance, Failed Politics, and the Global Crisis of American Capitalism.

The Dow-Jones average in August ’82 was 780. It was 11,700 by early 2000 and over 14,000 by ’07. Today it is 8795.

In 1950 manufacturing was 29.3% of GNP and financial services was 10.9%. Today manufacturing is 10% and financial services is 44% of GNP.

[bopes]

. . . GNP = Money Supply X Money Velocity.

Money supply is the amount of paper currency and deposits (loosely) in circulation. Money velocity is simply an algebraic notion equal to GNP divided by Money Supply. . . .

Craazy, I aint no algebratician, but as described, your equation looks like: GNP = Money Supply x GNP/Money Supply. That makes no sense, unless all variables are the same, in which case:

economists = idiots x economists/idiots. :D

Everything else in your post makes sense, though.

[Isaiah Mpski]

See there Sidey.No BS in Bopes message.

I did hear though,that the nitrogen air level is gettin so high from all the dog piss in some of them there higher rises in New York City they is likely to explode like one big gaseous burp.

[craazyman]

Bopes, I have more than a sneaking suspicion you are correct. And I even include the local favorite, Paul Krugman, in that opinion.

As you know, Alfred Nobel was the inventor of dynamite, which might be usefully applied to the Nobel Prize in economics. LOL.

[Isaiah Mpski]

And pray tell Craazy.
Of what,does dynamite consist?

Noble ideas?

Or does that depend upon the who where why principle,
Who times Twat equals twy.
Bopeism at it's finest.

A big bomb is Bhagdad.

[Richard Gabriel]

Meanwhile, back at the beginning!

Craazyman & sidecross, I'm puzzled !

At what stage was it decided to jump from the subject of my thread into an advertisment for your prowess in Economics?

Just asking?

Richard

[sidecross]

Meanwhile, back at the beginning!

Craazyman & sidecross, I'm puzzled !

At what stage was it decided to jump from the subject of my thread into an advertisment for your prowess in Economics?

Just asking?

Richard

Richard

I did not know you had editorial rights of admission to any thread on this site. Are you asking to have such editorial control to your started threads? :p

[craazyman]

Richard,

It is the stage of the activation of the Principle of Quantum Solipsism (PQS). They are studying this now at CERN in Geneva with the hadron collider. Basically, the PQS theory says that an electron in the Shroedinger wave will end up wherever it wants to within the larger field constraint. The theory is entirely consistent with the probabilities, moreover, it seeks to establish an ontological basis for those probabilities. PQS behavior is often seen on this discussion board, within a thread, which functions as the field constraint. As an advocate of Quantum Consciousness, I have no doubt you will understand.;)

-C

[Richard Gabriel]

At risk of stating the obvious, I'm sorry sidecross, but you just don't seem to be thinking things through properly before you respond.

There is nothing to stop you or anyone my friend, from opening the platform of a new thread topic to discuss your own passion. Indeed, provided it did not comprise a liturgy of personal book titles, with an instruction to go read and discusss, I am sure others would be delighted to join with your discourse.
(I have bookshelves full of titles from the ancient, lauded and brave that could be thrown into the melting pot.)

However so far, your contributions have been limited almost entirely to yah-boo responses and with no definitave substance of your own. This makes for confusion because most readers are not psychic and are therefore only able to second guess what on earth the hook point is that you are trying to make!

My original post was perhaps also stating the obvious, but it was an attempt to focus a discussion topic expansively on the general state of awareness to our possibilities or probabilities for the future. One could be forgiven therefore from your 'personal' reaction that you have responded from maybe another agenda. Was it the colour of my socks, or shirt? Or maybe we know each other from another time of skirmish???
Hmmm.

Blessings
Richard

PS. This is the limit of my 'personal' response BTW.
I have no more time to waste rebutting conditioned responses.

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[Richard Gabriel]

OK crazyman , we cross posted, and I will take the bait of your post.
Do you actually know what you are proposing or talking about?
I'm sorry to hark on about this, but it does seem as if you have simply plugged a google search item in an obvious attempt to create a discussion trap.
Here it is below again,(minus the boring but bitchy sideswipe at the end of it.)
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It is the stage of the activation of the Principle of Quantum Solipsism (PQS). They are studying this now at CERN in Geneva with the hadron collider. Basically, the PQS theory says that an electron in the Shroedinger wave will end up wherever it wants to within the larger field constraint. The theory is entirely consistent with the probabilities, moreover, it seeks to establish an ontological basis for those probabilities.
..................snip.........................

I am really interested to know they are studying PQS at CERN. I am familiar of course with Solipsism, but was unaware of a CERN programme focussing on this.
I would be greatful this time for your research source.

...Now definately not to cause more friction; but I would like to know how you define 'larger field constraint.' I am also genuinely surprised to learn from your reference that CERN seeks to establish a metaphysical hierachy that ties presumably to the measurable data? This is exciting news.

From my personal experience I understand how the motivation of the electron, having been actualised sub quantum from its virtual state, communicates its energy of motivation instantaneously to alter the probabilities of motivation in all else it may ever encounter. Beyond the world of Quarks and Gluons, the breakthrough lies in an appreciation of creation as I was given to remember it. ie. Wherein a Mobius loop swells to Torus while retaining opposing spiral rotation to form a sphere. From the centrifuge of energies at its core under external motivation, the impetus of an electron emerges.The motivation is provided by the balance or opposition of all else around it. This can be simply at quantum, or can be the from the 'will' directed from you or me! I await the results from CERN with interest, but I did hear on the grapevine, there is a much more covert experiment taking place there under the cover of open science.

Blessings
Richard

[craazyman]

Richard,

I made up the whole thing, as a goof. I sort of thought that was obvious. I have no idea what they're doing at CERN (I wish I had a job there as a research physisist, rather than the job I have, which I am certainly glad to have to be perfectly honest, given the economy and the other ways one can make a living), but you know, my theory has an unmistakable air of plausibility. Who knows? Maybe I am tuning somehow, like an artist, into the leading edge of some noouspheric thought cloud, heading our way. :p Although, no doubt the Greeks would have already thought of it, as they have of the contours of nearly everything that can be chronicled under logic or metaphysics.

-C

[Richard Gabriel]

Durn it craazyman.. you had me hopping in a circle there Grrr... but also :-)
Times have changed since I had that big 'event' experience thirty years ago and counting. Back then I was like a demented evangelist thinking it was all so obvious that as soon as I opened my mouth to share such stuff, everyone would see it as well. All I got was the tag of loonie or someone very strange!!... never went as far as to run me out of town!!

Now concepts such as quantum; multiverses; cosmic waves and continuation, are commonly accepted, if not mainstream by all then by a damned big bite of the scientific community under their breath.

It means of course as we do head into this time of stark staring obvious cosmic change, it is a lot easier to join into open discussion on topics to do with it. However the seriousness that gripped me when I emerged with sight of the matrix! still remains... and I am slow to spot a playtime. Still... it's sure a subject that everybody should be having a bite at. If only the media weren't in somebody's pocket somewhere this'd be a subject discussed openly across the world as 'the' topic to discuss.

Thanks for coming clean lol.... I'll be able to get a night's sleep now.

Richard