Trips and Dreams

[Halfglass]

No I'm not blowing my mind with disassociates! (Simply going over my notes from the six or so times I went full into it.) I'm hoping one of these times to get some speculation in any feedback as I consider "trip reports" to have been seriously trivialized by many, when in fact, for the first time ever, we have a means of cross-referencing and crisis prevention, not to mention windows into the self with others doing the hard part. (So I'll be the dxm king for now--although I'm finished with it except for a future dabble here or there.)-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I was puzzled by something I experienced on a high dose until the other day when a theory emerged in a dream. In the trip/trance (eyes closed) I metioned before about the other "I"s who came out and slowly relaxed with "me/us." When "I" would say, "Is that me?" They/me would answer, "Yes, it is us/you" and so on. But the odd thing was "they" were anticipating the question (because they are me and were privy to the question as it arose in the consciousness). It would go like this: "Yes it is us! Let's not be afraid!" ..."Is that me? Are you afraid?" ------------------------------------------------------It hit me the other day in a dream. The reason dreams often steer away from the desired direction I want them to--like if I'm persuing some object of lust, the circumstances in the dream will conspire to put problems and obsticles in my path, so that I never get what I'm after. I have a sneeking hunch that these other "I"s are involved in this. By knowing what I'm after as I decide it (because "they" are "me") for whatever reason--conditioned parts of me, given to moral stance perhaps (Freud mightn't have been so wrong) they disagree with the direction of the dream and so a play develops. I have a further theory concerning where the "I"s give way to Other (in the Overmind view) but maybe later.

[ April 12, 2003, 06:45 AM: Message edited by: Halfglass ]

[daniel]

halfglass: "I was puzzled by something I experienced on a high dose until the other day when a theory emerged in a dream. In the trip/trance (eyes closed) I metioned before about the other "I"s who came out and slowly relaxed with "me/us." When "I" would say, "Is that me?" They/me would answer, "Yes, it is us/you" and so on. But the odd thing was "they" were anticipating the question (because they are me and were privy to the question as it arose in the consciousness)."

You might know or be interested in Ouspensky's "The Psychology of Man's Possible Evolution" (roughly). His whole concept, descended from Gurdieff, is that there are many "I"s and the goal of work on one's self is to centralize control in the hands of one "I" or overself. This is no easy task!

I am constantly aware, now, of the different "I"s which are like geological strata of myself, from different times in my life going all the way back to childhood and (I suspect) other incarnations, that seem to be always seeking their moment of control or trying to make little assertions of abberation. I suppose in this sense the schizophrenic would just be an extreme case of our general situation.

[Halfglass]

I'll probably get that Ouspensky book (I just finished Ramachandran's "Phantoms in the Brain" --another good one which talks of multi selves). I have a fresh interest in this area now. By the way...I find myself saying "How's eveybody?" to myself lately and (funny I'd say this here but not to most people I know) I swear I can sense their/my reply, "Fine!"