acacia huasca

Julian · 09-22-2002, 03:03 AM

Ayahuasca is strictly the name of the vine used in a brew usually with dmt containing plants. One can make analogues of that experience, and yet my experience is that certain analogues are in fact much better in many respects!

In Australia, we have access to several acacia trees which contain DMT in the leaves and bark, and using these materials we can make "ayahuasca" brews using syriun rue or pharmaceutical maoi's.

The difference is there are no cultural precendants or traditional usages of these plants that we know of. The experience is clarified of archetypal patterns and is consonent with the nature of the Australian landscape.

Acacia Phyllodes which contain dmt, have anastomising veins - which means their veins cross each other to create a network with the phyllode nervous system.

This alone indicates that these trees must be some of the most evolved trees on the planet. The fact that they are trees, brings me to think of them as symbolic tree's of the knowledge of good and evil.

More about this topic here at a talk I gave earlier this year:

http://www.lila.info/data/tryptotality.htm

Julian.

mantid_scribe · 10-30-2002, 04:39 AM

That's interesting that you have had more powerful experiences using analogues. In my personal journeys, Caapi has always proven itself far superior to rue qualitatively, but I must confess I have never used anything outside of psychotria viridis and diplopterys cabrerana as an admixture (mainly, because I have yet to discover a reason to do so). I tend to think that the vine is the trunk of the experience myself (along with the merits of the individual of course).

Thanks for the link; quite informative.

What are some comments you might have regarding your journeys with ayahuasca analogues, as compared to traditional preparations?

Julian · 10-30-2002, 02:19 PM

Well, from my perspective, there are no analogues...I would consider the dmt from Tree's to be much more beneficial for my system than from plants growing in the South American jungle!

The vine has its own agenda and consciousness, shaping the experience and providing a 'teaching'. I understand that the vine is like the mother of all plants...if not literally.

Without the vine, and using very highly evolved tree material, I have found the experience to be very transparent and clarified.

But in the end, it's the user interfacing with the basis of the chemicals which will 'create' an experience.

Julian.

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09-22-2002, 03:03 AM	#1
Julian Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Byron Bay, Australia Posts: 17	Ayahuasca is strictly the name of the vine used in a brew usually with dmt containing plants. One can make analogues of that experience, and yet my experience is that certain analogues are in fact much better in many respects! In Australia, we have access to several acacia trees which contain DMT in the leaves and bark, and using these materials we can make "ayahuasca" brews using syriun rue or pharmaceutical maoi's. The difference is there are no cultural precendants or traditional usages of these plants that we know of. The experience is clarified of archetypal patterns and is consonent with the nature of the Australian landscape. Acacia Phyllodes which contain dmt, have anastomising veins - which means their veins cross each other to create a network with the phyllode nervous system. This alone indicates that these trees must be some of the most evolved trees on the planet. The fact that they are trees, brings me to think of them as symbolic tree's of the knowledge of good and evil. More about this topic here at a talk I gave earlier this year: http://www.lila.info/data/tryptotality.htm Julian.

10-30-2002, 04:39 AM	#2
mantid_scribe Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1	That's interesting that you have had more powerful experiences using analogues. In my personal journeys, Caapi has always proven itself far superior to rue qualitatively, but I must confess I have never used anything outside of psychotria viridis and diplopterys cabrerana as an admixture (mainly, because I have yet to discover a reason to do so). I tend to think that the vine is the trunk of the experience myself (along with the merits of the individual of course). Thanks for the link; quite informative. What are some comments you might have regarding your journeys with ayahuasca analogues, as compared to traditional preparations?

10-30-2002, 02:19 PM	#3
Julian Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Byron Bay, Australia Posts: 17	Well, from my perspective, there are no analogues...I would consider the dmt from Tree's to be much more beneficial for my system than from plants growing in the South American jungle! The vine has its own agenda and consciousness, shaping the experience and providing a 'teaching'. I understand that the vine is like the mother of all plants...if not literally. Without the vine, and using very highly evolved tree material, I have found the experience to be very transparent and clarified. But in the end, it's the user interfacing with the basis of the chemicals which will 'create' an experience. Julian.