the future of this board? - Page 2

gandydancer · 10-17-2006, 03:21 PM

Thank you K.J!

And to BS, yes I would like to discuss it further. I never was a boy, I did not have brothers. My sister had three boys, my daughters each have a son--so I know a little...very little...

If the men here could talk about the pain that they have suffered, maybe that could help women and all understand...at least a little?...

bloodshaman · 10-17-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gandydancer

Thank you K.J!

And to BS, yes I would like to discuss it further. I never was a boy, I did not have brothers. My sister had three boys, my daughters each have a son--so I know a little...very little...

If the men here could talk about the pain that they have suffered, maybe that could help women and all understand...at least a little?...

ok, so you are saying u have no idea what its like to be a male, but you assume that its hard(er) for males to grow up these days, and you dont have any idea why this is or what basis u are basing this idea off of?

Umm, the pain i suffered...lets see, scraped knees from roller hockey...bloody lip from a fistfight...umm, yah...

honestly gandydancer, your two posts don't add up...first you say that you think males experience a lot of pain and its tough(er) for them to grow up, then you say you have no idea...it doesn't add up.

Life is tough, you learn to deal, you learn to heal, or you find a way medicate, end of story. no point in speculating on sociology, let alone speculating through vague broad generalizations.

craazyman · 10-18-2006, 01:47 AM

If I spend Sunday watching football and drinking beer it doesn't mean I'm a complete Neanderthal idiot. I have a sensitive side too. And it hurts me when I get that flaming, derisive rejection of my total being because of a few bad habits. To prove my point, I still haven't gotten PM'd by any hot babes looking for a little polyamory and I think I know why. This is why I may have to go to Russia where they can't speak English and don't know what the NFL is in the first place. I won't even mention the fishing, that would just add to the flame.

gandydancer · 10-18-2006, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bloodshaman

ok, so you are saying u have no idea what its like to be a male, but you assume that its hard(er) for males to grow up these days, and you dont have any idea why this is or what basis u are basing this idea off of?

Umm, the pain i suffered...lets see, scraped knees from roller hockey...bloody lip from a fistfight...umm, yah...

honestly gandydancer, your two posts don't add up...first you say that you think males experience a lot of pain and its tough(er) for them to grow up, then you say you have no idea...it doesn't add up.

Life is tough, you learn to deal, you learn to heal, or you find a way medicate, end of story. no point in speculating on sociology, let alone speculating through vague broad generalizations.

Hi bloodshaman,

No I did not say I don't have any idea about why the children, or the grown ups as far as that goes, are in so much pain. If your pain was no more than a few scraped knees and so on, you are a very exceptional person. Are you aware that suicide is the third leading cause of death of young people? Do you know that the number of children taking psychotropic medications is approaching the same percentage as that of adults? Are you aware that one in four women was sexually molested when she was a child? I could go on and on speaking of the verbally and physically abused kids, and more pretty awful stuff...

As for medicating pain, I know a little about that because I worked in drug/alcohol treatment for several years and as a nurse we would sometimes sit in on group talk sessions. It is always the same--people can talk a pretty good line from their head, but that is all bull shit. Keep pushing at these people till eventually you get them to start to feel again, and pain and rage just explodes. But before you think that that would be true of just our patients, if you put any one of the nurses on the "hot seat", the same thing would happen.

But what about the children of today from comparitivly good homes where the children have been encouraged to express their feelings, by rights you would think they would all be happy and well adjusted--but that is not the case at all. As we find ourselves between the old age and the new age, there is as yet little to offer these children and they are just bewildered. Gone are tribal initiation rites that instruct boys and girls on what it is to be a man or a woman. Gone is the religious belief with a pastor, priest, rabbi, and so on that was understood to represent the authority of God on earth who did your thinking for you. And gone is the idea that to be a man means you do manly things and work at any job you can get whether or not it brings any happines into your life, or if you are a woman you have many children and take care of the home.

Initally the feminist movement thought that what women needed for happiness was to be more like men, in fact for several years it was thought that without the influence of nurture, the nature of both male and female would be very similar. We now know that that is not the case at all. I am old enough to look back and see how rapidly we have come from the days of my mother when women had not yet even been "given" the right to vote to where we are today, and I am confident that both men and women will adapt society to allow for more free expression and fulfullment for both, and of course all those in between regardless of which kind of body they were born into.

On the other hand, I feel that we are just beginning to consider how to bring up our children in a manner that allows them to reach emotional and spiritual maturation with less difficulty. My daughter and I talked about that for a long time yesterday because she is getting up the courage to present the idea of adding a regular class to the curriculum of classes that her kids take in their school; a class in which the kids can talk about their feelings and behavior boundaries in a safe invironment, and she is willing to lead the class.

So bloodshaman, what do you think?

Agent Smith · 10-18-2006, 07:45 AM

aaaah, the 'hotseat'... where people are trained to 'be real' with each other. rewarded with group approval for emotional outbursts. a very odd way to train people.

i think this culture of the 'authentic self' is odious. i actually prefer people who veil aggression behind civility. it shows me that i'm not dealing with a complete imbecil.

gandy, you're not going to find too many men here willing to 'open up about their pain'. culturally we're bred to mock, an belittle our feelings, and the feelings of others. i reconize this as unhealthy, it's a distinct contrast to a stoicism where one simply refuses to be ruled by their emotions.

women are actually physiologically far better adapted to deal with physical pain than men are.

Caprinardo Delirio · 10-18-2006, 08:58 AM

'self-realization' is how we market it over here.

and institutionally trained experts goes like this: "well, with so much opportunity for self-realization in our society and so much anxiety in it's stead, we must conclude that either free will is an illusion or then the calm and comforsts of our social-democratic welfare state are corrupting our souls."

it's a mad world and i'm astonished at how far we've come...

willoweyes · 10-18-2006, 01:10 PM

Cannibals and Kings, a book by Marvin Harris, proposes that religion's chief function is to provide societal coping strategisms. In other words, a relevant religion will reinforce cultural needs. When the religion of a culture becomes outmoded, there is a period of upheaval until new coping strategisms are developed (or as we might say, until a new god arises).

How to survive physically will no doubt become more of an issue as global population hits 7 billion (predicted to occur on October 18, 2012). The 9 billion mark will be passed in 2042.

What coping mechanisms will allow our race and our planet to survive this deluge of humanity remain to be revealed.

Agent Smith · 10-18-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by willoweyes

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What coping mechanisms will allow our race and our planet to survive this deluge of humanity remain to be revealed.

reforestation, intesive aborealculture forest farming, combined with hydroponics, and seed banks, and a low calorie, high nutrient density diet.

bloodshaman · 10-18-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gandydancer

Are you aware that suicide is the third leading cause of death of young people? Do you know that the number of children taking psychotropic medications is approaching the same percentage as that of adults? Are you aware that one in four women was sexually molested when she was a child? I could go on and on speaking of the verbally and physically abused kids, and more pretty awful stuff...

are you aware how much statistics and figures are manipulated? Check out Damned Lies and Statistics by Joel Best. I actually had a chance to meet the guy and he really knows what he is talking about...

However, as far as the medication, it is mostly because the pharma companies invent new diseases and market their medications? Some 18 year old whose girlfriend dumped him may think he has depression when in reality in 2 months he'll be back on his feet. The marketing of meds is a new thing and thats why we see the high # of children medicated.

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Originally Posted by gandydancer

Gone are tribal initiation rites that instruct boys and girls on what it is to be a man or a woman. Gone is the religious belief with a pastor, priest, rabbi, and so on that was understood to represent the authority of God on earth who did your thinking for you. And gone is the idea that to be a man means you do manly things and work at any job you can get whether or not it brings any happines into your life, or if you are a woman you have many children and take care of the home.

AND GOOD RIDDANCE! These social structures that you speak of are nothing more than indoctrination into constructed tunnel realities. The last thing i want is to allow my happiness to be contingent upon whether some priest tells me im a sinner, or tribal elder telling me that i've scorned tradition. Sure, now days life is a little tougher because their are less of these structures to rely in, but its also a lot more free. We don't need to buy the dogma that goes aong with these groups and initiations.

and woman should not have many children. they did it before be cause they needed children to help the household and infant mortality was high. this is not the case anymore and people need start having less children, especially in the developing world.

As far as jobs, you work jobs to survive and put food on the table...then you consider happiness. If you aren't happy then you should find a new job by all means, and if you dont...then you will have a tough time surviving. You don't need social programming to make people understand this reality.
and manly things? Gender roles are socially constructed, with an underlying biological bias. If i wanna get myself facials and peticures, i damn well will, but you can be sure i'll also be spending my week working hard at the office, and my weekends playing sports, drinkin beers, and "reading" playboy and whatever else you think men "should" do.

I think the problem is our social evolution and pace of change in the material world is going to fast for our DNA, and psychological firmware. Things are advancing exponentially faster and the only solution is to "reprogram and defragment" our minds using psychedelics and get ready to re-engineer our DNA and shift our consciousness.
I'm ready to evolve...are you?

graffitirun · 10-18-2006, 05:17 PM

"The marketers call this “viral distribution,” but we know it by another and rather more prosaic name – friendship."

mark pesce
hypercasting
http://blog.futurestreetconsulting.com/?p=20

graffitirun · 10-19-2006, 05:36 AM

For the past decade, much of the Internet has been animated by the "wisdom of crowds," the notion that the tremendous masses drawn to the Web can together provide collective knowledge that outperforms even that of experts. By marshaling the knowledge and tastes of millions of people, the Web has fundamentally changed the way people can gain knowledge about their world.

But this wisdom of the crowd could be outsmarted by what Michael Arrington, editor of the TechCrunch blog, recently dubbed the "wisdom of the few."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...emailarticlepg

willoweyes · 10-19-2006, 06:28 AM

The last posts worked better than a purge to get me going this morning.

"reforestation, intesive aborealculture forest farming, combined with hydroponics, and seed banks, and a low calorie, high nutrient density diet"

Why hydrophonics? Why not use plants suited to their environment? isn't this just more control and Rule, when democratic compromise might work as well? Why not leave all this crap to Mother Nature?

The basic problem as i see it is efficiency\fascism\hated fathergod (the worshippers hate and fear this god--so they offer him sacrifice instead of joy)

Vis anarchy/freedom/chaos--evolution.

(Although Agent Smith has a tendency to act like a pendantic know-it-all, he does have an intellect, and a mysterious fascination with this board which leaves us all richer. He also has one hell of a ullshitbay detector.)

BS: "Women need to quit having so many children." by using the word woman instead of the culturally accept word "men" to indicate both sexes, are you leaning toward the thesis that women assume major responsibility for whether they have children or not?

I would love to have your thoughts on this.

Graf, thanks for the link. And thank for not taking too much offense at my snicker joke of an answer to your perfectly legitimate question. but that moving finger line just came into my head, and I couldn't let it go.

Caprinardo Delirio · 10-19-2006, 07:22 AM

well, we all know that no woman anywhere wants to have sex with anyone, so i say that the responsibility must lie solely with all us goddamn rapists.

bloodshaman · 10-19-2006, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by willoweyes

BS: "Women need to quit having so many children." by using the word woman instead of the culturally accept word "men" to indicate both sexes, are you leaning toward the thesis that women assume major responsibility for whether they have children or not?

Willoweyes, you are absolutely right that the wording of that sentence is quite loaded. I was just responding to gandydancer's post and unknowingly, assumed her bias. My point is that we, as a human species, need to stop introducing more humans into the system. I understand that this will take realistic sex education and initiatives to introduce contraceptives. globalization is helping a great deal to get everyone on the same page and focused on problems of global consequence.

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Originally Posted by gandydancer

or if you are a woman you have many children and take care of the home.

gandydancer · 10-19-2006, 08:20 AM

BS PLEASE STOP SAYING I SAID THINGS I DID NOT SAY! I did NOT say we should go back to ol' time religion, men were men and women liked it that way and stayed home where they belong barefoot and pregnant, and rituals which have little to do with the society of today. I said they are GONE and we need to find more appropriate ways to bring our children into men and women more appropriate for a new age.

Sorry for shouting, but you have misquoted me in every reply that you have made. Aaargh.

Caprinardo Delirio · 10-19-2006, 08:36 AM

i think that as people become conscious, whatever the fuck that really means, yet i do know what, then it merely becomes a question of choosing and creating for yourself.

right?

gandydancer · 10-19-2006, 08:51 AM

[quote]
are you aware how much statistics and figures are manipulated? Check out Damned Lies and Statistics by Joel Best. I actually had a chance to meet the guy and he really knows what he is talking about...

"It is not possible simply to ignore statistics, to pretend they don't exist. That sort of head-in-the-sand approach would be too costly. Without statistics, we limit our ability to think thoughtfully about our society; without statistics, we have no accurate ways of judging how big a problem may be, whether it is getting worse, or how well the policies designed to address that problem actually work. And awestruck or naive attitudes toward statistics are no better than ignoring statistics; statistics have no magical properties, and it is foolish to assume that all statistics are equally valid. Nor is a cynical approach the answer; statistics are too widespread and too useful to be automatically discounted."

[quote]However, as far as the medication, it is mostly because the pharma companies invent new diseases and market their medications? Some 18 year old whose girlfriend dumped him may think he has depression when in reality in 2 months he'll be back on his feet. The marketing of meds is a new thing and thats why we see the high # of children medicated.

An excellent point...Feeling bad? Well not to worry! Just take a pill--or even if you're just feeling worried, not to worry, there's a pill for that too! But it doesn't answer the point I made. I said the percentage of psychotropic medications given to children is approaching that of the percentage of psychotropic medications taken by adults. It is not the children asking for medication, it is the adults who have (among many other things) crammed and locked these children into classrooms from the time they were toddlers, taught them from a standardized test (so that no child shall be left behind), and then even after the school doors are unocked (in many large inner-city schools literally "unlocked"--to keep our children safe, you know) they still face several hours of home work each evening. Now how fucked is that? This is not normal, and small wonder that then the parents need to go out and buy medications to make their child mold to what has become the norm.

Agent Smith · 10-19-2006, 09:11 AM

Cap- actually we all know that all women are actually lesbians, and the ones who 'aren't' have just be brainwashed by the evil patriachical rapists, who are in fact actually gay.

willow- hydroponics conserves water over tradtional irrigation practices, and allows for the kind of 'intesnive' farming that can sustain large populations, while minimizing the space that that it takes up to raise them. plants actually thrive really well in hydroponic, and aeroponic systems. this allows us to free up space that was formerly devoted to agriculture for wilderness reclaimation, reforestation, and the like. the reduced water usage is a very important thing for the future.

gandy-why even engage with that? psychedelic yuppies are all the same. i think there's a injection mold somewhere, it's like talking to a fox news drone only, 'liberal'.

gandydancer · 10-19-2006, 09:23 AM

Agent Smith, it's that goddamn Sasha's fault--she said it is a good thing to do.

gandydancer · 10-19-2006, 09:40 AM

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aaaah, the 'hotseat'... where people are trained to 'be real' with each other. rewarded with group approval for emotional outbursts. a very odd way to train people.

This is not what I am talking about. I would not feel bad if they would throw all the new age-y help books and (very expensive) jaunts off to Bali for workshops in a gunney sack and drown them. Well, at least poke a stick at them...maybe just poke their eyes out.

bloodshaman · 10-19-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent Smith

gandy-why even engage with that? psychedelic yuppies are all the same. i think there's a injection mold somewhere, it's like talking to a fox news drone only, 'liberal'.

are you referring to me in this, agent smith? i may be a "yuppie," but i'm certainly not a "liberal". I see nothing wrong with being a "yuppie." I'm a registered member of the libertarian party, and a "classical liberal."
Life, liberty, and property!

Agent Smith, i won't challenge you with circumlocutious language and thinly veiled jabs...
Agent Smith, you are a closed minded, narcissistic asshole. You are the type of person that just likes to hear yourself talk, or in this case, read your idiotic steam of consciousness and try to force your skewed reality construction onto all of us. Now i see why you don't like psychedelics: because you cant handle the inundation of self critical revelations that you will surely encounter.

and gandy, i wasn't sure what you were getting at with the whole "tribal initiation, men/women" dialogue, but i assumed it was some type of sentimentality for simpler days in view of the complications of modern life. If that was not your intention, then i apologize. regardless, responding to me was a good thing to do, its good to challenge each others subjective views of reality.

Personally, i think we need to embrace chaos and flex our creative muscles to face the challenges ahead rather than try to look to the past. McKenna's archaic revival was about returning to psuedo tribalistic life due to decentralization and virtual telepresence (mckenna embraced technology), he did not want to return to primitive modes of reality construction.

sidecross · 10-19-2006, 10:03 AM

I know ‘assholes’ and I have read Agent Smith for a long time now, and Agent Smith is no ‘asshole’.

Agent Smith · 10-19-2006, 10:09 AM

sticks, and stones bs, sticks and stones... hahaha...

it's so easy to make you tools lose your cool.

it's not a free market bs until i have the right to own other humans.

and yeah, you're a neo-liberal, a libertarian. it was obvious from the start.

i've seen so many of your type bs, 'reality tunnel' 'skewed reality construction', drugs, chaos magick, and bling, are so '97. 'quantum psychology' might have been cutting edge back in the 80's but things have quite moved on since then old bean. shit, genisis p-orridge has tits now dude...

yep, i'll definitely force my twisted vision on the rest of you, no doubt. i am the wrecker of civilization, for sure.

bloodshaman · 10-19-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent Smith

i've seen so many of your type bs, 'reality tunnel' 'skewed reality construction', drugs, chaos magick, and bling, are so '97. 'quantum psychology' might have been cutting edge back in the 80's but things have quite moved on since then old bean. shit, genisis p-orridge has tits now dude...

and where have things moved since then? Whats the new trend? Cause gosh, i wanna be cutting edge! i need to have the latest, trendiest, counter cultural views so i can be cool like you! will you be my reality consultant?! please!

...[reality check]
agent smith, you know assisted suicide is legal in oregon now? you don't need to meditate over a 9mm anymore.

i was still feeding on breast milk in the 80s...and i've been forging my own path ever since, i dont buy into status quo/counter culture trends...

Agent Smith · 10-19-2006, 10:36 AM

gee-thanks sidecross... considering some of our past exchanges that's awfully.... unless of course you mean i'm a "MetaAsshole"

bs-once again thanks for the NEW. isn't it great that i'll come here, and take the information provided for my own twisted ends, and refuse to reciprocate?

you're too slow bs. you'll never make it.

but here's a crumb, make of it what you can www.trufax.org

bloodshaman · 10-19-2006, 10:44 AM

i think you may find enlightenment through NEW, or otherwise be challenged by your higher self to self actualize. the path of energy development and astral projection/journeying is not an easy one...it wil either destroy you or enlighten you, either way I couldn't give a fuck.

really lame, poorly designed, paranoid website btw. i prefer to discover info on my own than be manipulated by some new age borderline schizos with poor web design skills.

gandydancer · 10-19-2006, 10:51 AM

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and gandy, i wasn't sure what you were getting at with the whole "tribal initiation, men/women" dialogue, but i assumed it was some type of sentimentality for simpler days in view of the complications of modern life. If that was not your intention, then i apologize. regardless, responding to me was a good thing to do, its good to challenge each others subjective views of reality.

That's right BS, we must learn to speak from our hearts!; from our truths!

K.J · 10-19-2006, 11:00 AM

Ok, all together now... *DDDEEEEP BREEEAAATH*

Ahhh...now doesn't that feel better?

Agent Smith · 10-19-2006, 11:13 AM

bs-what's so hard about astral projection? 'higher self'/'lower self'? my my, soooo outdated. NEW is primarily a good introduction to energy work for people who ask ME about how to do it, rather than a tool for my own usage. there's a key element missing, nearly, oh so closely, but just barely missed, that could cause potential problems down the line... but that's okay. you probably don't need it anyway. i'm sure you'll do just fine. honest.

and that lame 'newage' website was created by one of robert monroe's oldest, and most advanced students. not that you'd be familiar with monroe either.

you probably don't need to know, best ignore it, and take another hit from the bong.

hahaha...

gandydancer · 10-19-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by K.J

Ok, all together now... *DDDEEEEP BREEEAAATH*

Ahhh...now doesn't that feel better?

Lighten up K.J, have a little fun. You can breathe later.

10-18-2006, 01:10 PM	#37
willoweyes Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,537	Cannibals and Kings Cannibals and Kings, a book by Marvin Harris, proposes that religion's chief function is to provide societal coping strategisms. In other words, a relevant religion will reinforce cultural needs. When the religion of a culture becomes outmoded, there is a period of upheaval until new coping strategisms are developed (or as we might say, until a new god arises). How to survive physically will no doubt become more of an issue as global population hits 7 billion (predicted to occur on October 18, 2012). The 9 billion mark will be passed in 2042. What coping mechanisms will allow our race and our planet to survive this deluge of humanity remain to be revealed.

10-19-2006, 06:28 AM	#42
willoweyes Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,537	answered The last posts worked better than a purge to get me going this morning. "reforestation, intesive aborealculture forest farming, combined with hydroponics, and seed banks, and a low calorie, high nutrient density diet" Why hydrophonics? Why not use plants suited to their environment? isn't this just more control and Rule, when democratic compromise might work as well? Why not leave all this crap to Mother Nature? The basic problem as i see it is efficiency\fascism\hated fathergod (the worshippers hate and fear this god--so they offer him sacrifice instead of joy) Vis anarchy/freedom/chaos--evolution. (Although Agent Smith has a tendency to act like a pendantic know-it-all, he does have an intellect, and a mysterious fascination with this board which leaves us all richer. He also has one hell of a ullshitbay detector.) BS: "Women need to quit having so many children." by using the word woman instead of the culturally accept word "men" to indicate both sexes, are you leaning toward the thesis that women assume major responsibility for whether they have children or not? I would love to have your thoughts on this. Graf, thanks for the link. And thank for not taking too much offense at my snicker joke of an answer to your perfectly legitimate question. but that moving finger line just came into my head, and I couldn't let it go.

10-19-2006, 11:00 AM	#58
K.J Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Utah Posts: 481	Ok, calm down everyone.... Ok, all together now... DDDEEEEP BREEEAAATH Ahhh...now doesn't that feel better? __________________ "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." -- Bucky Fuller

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10-17-2006, 03:21 PM	#31
gandydancer Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 234	Thank you K.J! And to BS, yes I would like to discuss it further. I never was a boy, I did not have brothers. My sister had three boys, my daughters each have a son--so I know a little...very little... If the men here could talk about the pain that they have suffered, maybe that could help women and all understand...at least a little?...

10-18-2006, 01:47 AM	#33
craazyman Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 1,414	If I spend Sunday watching football and drinking beer it doesn't mean I'm a complete Neanderthal idiot. I have a sensitive side too. And it hurts me when I get that flaming, derisive rejection of my total being because of a few bad habits. To prove my point, I still haven't gotten PM'd by any hot babes looking for a little polyamory and I think I know why. This is why I may have to go to Russia where they can't speak English and don't know what the NFL is in the first place. I won't even mention the fishing, that would just add to the flame.

10-18-2006, 07:45 AM	#35
Agent Smith Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 689	aaaah, the 'hotseat'... where people are trained to 'be real' with each other. rewarded with group approval for emotional outbursts. a very odd way to train people. i think this culture of the 'authentic self' is odious. i actually prefer people who veil aggression behind civility. it shows me that i'm not dealing with a complete imbecil. gandy, you're not going to find too many men here willing to 'open up about their pain'. culturally we're bred to mock, an belittle our feelings, and the feelings of others. i reconize this as unhealthy, it's a distinct contrast to a stoicism where one simply refuses to be ruled by their emotions. women are actually physiologically far better adapted to deal with physical pain than men are.

10-18-2006, 08:58 AM	#36
Caprinardo Delirio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 822	'self-realization' is how we market it over here. and institutionally trained experts goes like this: "well, with so much opportunity for self-realization in our society and so much anxiety in it's stead, we must conclude that either free will is an illusion or then the calm and comforsts of our social-democratic welfare state are corrupting our souls." it's a mad world and i'm astonished at how far we've come...

10-18-2006, 05:17 PM	#40
graffitirun Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 118	"The marketers call this “viral distribution,” but we know it by another and rather more prosaic name – friendship." mark pesce hypercasting http://blog.futurestreetconsulting.com/?p=20

10-19-2006, 05:36 AM	#41
graffitirun Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 118	For the past decade, much of the Internet has been animated by the "wisdom of crowds," the notion that the tremendous masses drawn to the Web can together provide collective knowledge that outperforms even that of experts. By marshaling the knowledge and tastes of millions of people, the Web has fundamentally changed the way people can gain knowledge about their world. But this wisdom of the crowd could be outsmarted by what Michael Arrington, editor of the TechCrunch blog, recently dubbed the "wisdom of the few." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...emailarticlepg

10-19-2006, 07:22 AM	#43
Caprinardo Delirio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 822	well, we all know that no woman anywhere wants to have sex with anyone, so i say that the responsibility must lie solely with all us goddamn rapists.

10-19-2006, 08:20 AM	#45
gandydancer Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 234	BS PLEASE STOP SAYING I SAID THINGS I DID NOT SAY! I did NOT say we should go back to ol' time religion, men were men and women liked it that way and stayed home where they belong barefoot and pregnant, and rituals which have little to do with the society of today. I said they are GONE and we need to find more appropriate ways to bring our children into men and women more appropriate for a new age. Sorry for shouting, but you have misquoted me in every reply that you have made. Aaargh.

10-19-2006, 08:36 AM	#46
Caprinardo Delirio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 822	i think that as people become conscious, whatever the fuck that really means, yet i do know what, then it merely becomes a question of choosing and creating for yourself. right?

10-19-2006, 08:51 AM	#47
gandydancer Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 234	[quote] are you aware how much statistics and figures are manipulated? Check out Damned Lies and Statistics by Joel Best. I actually had a chance to meet the guy and he really knows what he is talking about... "It is not possible simply to ignore statistics, to pretend they don't exist. That sort of head-in-the-sand approach would be too costly. Without statistics, we limit our ability to think thoughtfully about our society; without statistics, we have no accurate ways of judging how big a problem may be, whether it is getting worse, or how well the policies designed to address that problem actually work. And awestruck or naive attitudes toward statistics are no better than ignoring statistics; statistics have no magical properties, and it is foolish to assume that all statistics are equally valid. Nor is a cynical approach the answer; statistics are too widespread and too useful to be automatically discounted." [quote]However, as far as the medication, it is mostly because the pharma companies invent new diseases and market their medications? Some 18 year old whose girlfriend dumped him may think he has depression when in reality in 2 months he'll be back on his feet. The marketing of meds is a new thing and thats why we see the high # of children medicated. An excellent point...Feeling bad? Well not to worry! Just take a pill--or even if you're just feeling worried, not to worry, there's a pill for that too! But it doesn't answer the point I made. I said the percentage of psychotropic medications given to children is approaching that of the percentage of psychotropic medications taken by adults. It is not the children asking for medication, it is the adults who have (among many other things) crammed and locked these children into classrooms from the time they were toddlers, taught them from a standardized test (so that no child shall be left behind), and then even after the school doors are unocked (in many large inner-city schools literally "unlocked"--to keep our children safe, you know) they still face several hours of home work each evening. Now how fucked is that? This is not normal, and small wonder that then the parents need to go out and buy medications to make their child mold to what has become the norm.

10-19-2006, 09:11 AM	#48
Agent Smith Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 689	Cap- actually we all know that all women are actually lesbians, and the ones who 'aren't' have just be brainwashed by the evil patriachical rapists, who are in fact actually gay. willow- hydroponics conserves water over tradtional irrigation practices, and allows for the kind of 'intesnive' farming that can sustain large populations, while minimizing the space that that it takes up to raise them. plants actually thrive really well in hydroponic, and aeroponic systems. this allows us to free up space that was formerly devoted to agriculture for wilderness reclaimation, reforestation, and the like. the reduced water usage is a very important thing for the future. gandy-why even engage with that? psychedelic yuppies are all the same. i think there's a injection mold somewhere, it's like talking to a fox news drone only, 'liberal'.

10-19-2006, 09:23 AM	#49
gandydancer Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 234	Agent Smith, it's that goddamn Sasha's fault--she said it is a good thing to do.

10-19-2006, 10:03 AM	#52
sidecross Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,540	I know ‘assholes’ and I have read Agent Smith for a long time now, and Agent Smith is no ‘asshole’.

10-19-2006, 10:09 AM	#53
Agent Smith Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 689	sticks, and stones bs, sticks and stones... hahaha... it's so easy to make you tools lose your cool. it's not a free market bs until i have the right to own other humans. and yeah, you're a neo-liberal, a libertarian. it was obvious from the start. i've seen so many of your type bs, 'reality tunnel' 'skewed reality construction', drugs, chaos magick, and bling, are so '97. 'quantum psychology' might have been cutting edge back in the 80's but things have quite moved on since then old bean. shit, genisis p-orridge has tits now dude... yep, i'll definitely force my twisted vision on the rest of you, no doubt. i am the wrecker of civilization, for sure.

10-19-2006, 10:36 AM	#55
Agent Smith Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 689	gee-thanks sidecross... considering some of our past exchanges that's awfully.... unless of course you mean i'm a "MetaAsshole" bs-once again thanks for the NEW. isn't it great that i'll come here, and take the information provided for my own twisted ends, and refuse to reciprocate? you're too slow bs. you'll never make it. but here's a crumb, make of it what you can www.trufax.org

10-19-2006, 10:44 AM	#56
bloodshaman Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Manhattan Posts: 24	i think you may find enlightenment through NEW, or otherwise be challenged by your higher self to self actualize. the path of energy development and astral projection/journeying is not an easy one...it wil either destroy you or enlighten you, either way I couldn't give a fuck. really lame, poorly designed, paranoid website btw. i prefer to discover info on my own than be manipulated by some new age borderline schizos with poor web design skills.

10-19-2006, 11:13 AM	#59
Agent Smith Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 689	bs-what's so hard about astral projection? 'higher self'/'lower self'? my my, soooo outdated. NEW is primarily a good introduction to energy work for people who ask ME about how to do it, rather than a tool for my own usage. there's a key element missing, nearly, oh so closely, but just barely missed, that could cause potential problems down the line... but that's okay. you probably don't need it anyway. i'm sure you'll do just fine. honest. and that lame 'newage' website was created by one of robert monroe's oldest, and most advanced students. not that you'd be familiar with monroe either. you probably don't need to know, best ignore it, and take another hit from the bong. hahaha...