Problem..

[Polix]

Since everyone is talking about reviving the board, and I am very much new to it.. so I will pose a problem that I am having trouble answering and would like to hear everyones reponses.

Prove to me God exists.

I have my own way, but I have recently tried to explain it to someone else, but they did not buy it. Anyone want to share how they came to the conclusion that there IS a God.. and what that God is? I realize that in the end it comes down to faith, but if you guys or gals have a logical order of progression that seems probable Id love to hear it.

I just dont want my answer to Prove Gods Exists to be... look at a baby's smile.. although it really is as good as any.

[Damien]

Proof is in Being so "God" is in all places, innate so as so creation goes.

[Damien]

Thinking is Being as the seed is sprouted from the plant in comes from.

[Polix]

Simply writing statements and declaring them true is no proof. I can say there is no God just as easily as I can say there is. If God has infinite power.. could he not just create this Universe and all the laws within it.. then simply destroy himself?

I do believe there is no CONCLUSIVE proof that God exists.. obviously, because if there was we would be able to prove it. I believe that in the end you must innately feel God and come to realize it rather than just believe it. Faith and knowing are different things. Knowing comes with enlightenment.

However, just for the sake of argument is there anyone who can atleast somewhat argue that there is a God with logical proof?

[sacha]

Do dreams exist? Do thoughts exist? Anything you experience exists. Whatever you may mean by the word "God," if you experience it, then it exists.

[craazyman]

what would you accept as proof Polix?

Here's an idea: if God didn't exist then the devil would surely have kicked the royal teenage butt of the sophist in our midst by now.

[Agent Smith]

solution: kill yourself, and meet her.

why should we care?

god is a waste of time, we've got to solve our own problems.

[gandydancer]

Originally Posted by Agent Smith

solution: kill yourself, and meet her.

why should we care?

god is a waste of time, we've got to solve our own problems.

Opps!

Stop that laughing this instant!

[gandydancer]

Haha AS, even though this board will not allow more than 6 "laughs" (as I learned when I tried to post 8), I am still laughing. What? My body may be...but my soul...free?...or something like that....Haha

No I got that wrong, it is 4 emotions. Well, here goes:

[tree hugger]

polix

There are a set of books published by Ringing Rocks Press that you might check out. The one that I think might be of interest to you because of this challenge you have set for us is;

Profiles of Healing Kalahari Bushmen Healers.

In this particular title the medicine men and women talk of seeing the Big God. The Big God is of course very powerful and quite dangerous to come into contact with and ones body, soul and heart must be protected and looked after by the group during a ceremony. Healing is attributed of course to spirits and to the Big God itself. Not all medicine people have seen the Big God so it is not a requirement for healing ability but those who have are considered quite powerful.

There is a whole series of books that this press published that are dedicated to documenting and bringing awareness to healers all over the world today.

I will say for myself that "God" is problematic in my "head". In other words the idea of Gods existence isn't unpleasant it is when I try to define, picture or categorize such a power that things fall apart.

Someone told me recently we created god with our love.
Yes, our big brains can blow massive holes in such an idea but it may be so damn simple it's true.

Wish us all luck. There is no right answer or proof, at least I don't think so.


Tree Hugger

[Caprinardo Delirio]

G-O-D

D-O-G

coincidence?

[okster]

Sometimes it is useful to have a well-written "proof" or explanation of something or other, even if only to use in discussion with others.

I recently came across this book - The God Theory - by Bernard Haisch, in which an astrophysicist attempts to reconcile science and religion and to
present "proof" that god exists. A short and readable 150 pages. Subtitled: Universes, Zero-Point Fields, and What's Behind It All.

http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1578633745/

A favorite old B. Kliban cartoon is called "Proving the Exsitence of Fish" and shows a bunch of fish sitting at desks in a classroom with the teacher writing all kinds of complex equations on the blackboard.

[craazyman]

Well, being a fisherman, I can honestly tell you that fish aren't that good at math. And so even if the teacher did prove it, the proof would go right over their heads and they would just deny it, and go on with their procreating, egg laying, bug eating, animal existence, heedless of the consequences to their souls.

[drew hempel]

The definition of God is "I Am that I Am." So prove that "you" exist! You will then prove god! Where does your "I" thought go when in deep dreamless sleep? Are you an automaton? Who are you? Repeat "I-I-I" over and over and then AM resonates as OM or Yin-Yang or 1:2:3:4 with "That" being the formless awareness that is God.

[Damien]

Originally Posted by drew hempel

The definition of God is "I Am that I Am." So prove that "you" exist! You will then prove god! Where does your "I" thought go when in deep dreamless sleep? Are you an automaton? Who are you? Repeat "I-I-I" over and over and then AM resonates as OM or Yin-Yang or 1:2:3:4 with "That" being the formless awareness that is God.

Yes. Polix, "you" are the tentacle of divinity, one of many, having an experience, a Diving experience, here but also connected to Source. Also as I should have stated earlier, God can only be "proven" through your experience of heritage shared through the God experience.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

but a lot of materialists would think that that which mystics have had is a trivial and trite sentimental regressive escape or daydream, which will distract us from our life's pursuits, rather than integrate intuition and with-itness into it.

if anyone at all is under blame from just about anyone wlse, as responsible for history through their institutional role, and the cause of the problems to be eliminated, there won't be any collective vision of an abundant overflow leasure society, because we will be too busy debating things that would be pointless anyhow, as seen from within the confines of this new harmoniously structured paradigme..

no personal ruin from the bankruptcy of your firm, will not create destructive struggles to stay alive and combat the newer opposing force. companies and corporations will be run only to do what it is that they do. they will restructure as neccesary, calmly aiming to maximize their good, recieving all aid and help from wherever in the system, including what would formerly have been 'competitors' that was slowing and distorting the evolution and assimilation into society of their productions. by the necessity of personal economical survival, with inevitable ruin for, if not you, then others, and you get by saying it's the law of the jungle and i'm just doing my job and i'm a good guy even though we make our meals out of the ashes of the gays.

[Damien]

Originally Posted by Caprinardo Delirio

but a lot of materialists would think that that which mystics have had is a trivial and trite sentimental regressive escape or daydream, which will distract us from our life's pursuits, rather than integrate intuition and with-itness into it. .

Do these people dream? Do they call themselves materialists and what was their experience before labeling? Also, do they remember the time when Earth wasn't guided by a "material" science, sculpted by 'laws' which are invisible anyways , but rather forces shaped and re-shaped by the oral myths passed down through generations?

Originally Posted by Caprinardo Delirio

if anyone at all is under blame from just about anyone wlse, as responsible for history through their institutional role, and the cause of the problems to be eliminated, there won't be any collective vision of an abundant overflow leasure society, because we will be too busy debating things that would be pointless anyhow, as seen from within the confines of this new harmoniously structured paradigme..

There can be no debate because all behaviors, enacted and existing prior to the Shift, will be seen for what they are/were, reactions to and from creations of isolated/disconnected mentality operating in a general area no where near a group consciousness. At the same time these behaviors are cirucumspectively acknowledged for what they are/were, they will be retroactively validated as 3 dimensional stepping-stones on the staircase climbing to "All".

Originally Posted by Caprinardo Delirio

no personal ruin from the bankruptcy of your firm, will not create destructive struggles to stay alive and combat the newer opposing force. companies and corporations will be run only to do what it is that they do. they will restructure as neccesary, calmly aiming to maximize their good, recieving all aid and help from wherever in the system, including what would formerly have been 'competitors' that was slowing and distorting the evolution and assimilation into society of their productions. by the necessity of personal economical survival, with inevitable ruin for, if not you, then others, and you get by saying it's the law of the jungle and i'm just doing my job and i'm a good guy even though we make our meals out of the ashes of the gays.

This "growth through struggle", which is such a clarion of the current paradigm will not exist because at this level that race has been run. In times of adversity it will be "conjunction", opposing forces working with-intensifying-manifesting each other, not "disjunction" unlike forces dissipating each others energies, that will be the calling card of the newer times.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Old frog,new pond.Old pond,new frog.Splash ye tadpoles,splash.

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