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[K.J]

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Originally Posted by daniel

Recently, I visited centers of the Santo Daime with ten other Westerners from Europe and the United States, on a three week tour. Our first stop was Brasilia, the capital of Brazil – a modernist city built from scratch in the early 1960s. We stayed at a Santo Daime community on the outskirts of the city, and attended two ceremonies while we were there. Initially, I experienced a tremendous resistance to the Santo Daime work. In the shamanic ceremonies I had attended in the past, we took our medicine in the dark, and the focus was on experiencing individual visions. In the Santo Daime ceremonies, the lights were kept bright, and the energy was focused on creating a kind of group mind – later, Jose Murilo, one of our hosts, told me they called it "collective shamanism." It also took me a while to get used to the hymns, which seemed very foreign at first. I also felt a powerful negative reaction to the idea of an organized religion where people wore uniforms and sat in rows, and separated men and women.

I kept having to run out of the ceremony. I would go out to sit near the fire outside, to walk around and look at the stars. There were guardians assigned to keep watch over the ceremony – and these guardians kept coming over to try to get me to go back inside. For me, at that point, it seemed to be a violation of my personal freedom to be part of the ceremony. I only returned with the greatest reluctance. I felt anger at their attempts to restrict my independence.

From Brasilia, our group flew six hours to the Amazon jungle. We stayed at a Santo Daime community named ?????. They had a beautiful ceremonial center, covered in blue and white paper streamers. For our one night there, they organized a ceremony that involved dancing all night – the dance was a little two-step, everyone shuffling back and forth within a little three-foot space. I danced for a while, then my resistance rose up again. I ran out to sit by the fire, then went back to my hammock. In this community, nobody seemed to care whether or not I stayed in my place.

Alone in the room, I began to have the standard Terence McKennaish DMT trip. With my eyes closed, oddly ferocious elves began to multiply in hyperspace, showing me strange tesseracts and transforming objects. But I started to get bored of these pesky critters, who seemed like manifestations of my endlessly churning mind. The whole tripping thing seemed a bit adolescent. I realized that I did want to participate in the ceremony. "Fuck these stupid elves - I want to dance," I thought. My resistance suddenly disappeared. I went back and danced the rest of the night, and I began to understand why the Santo Daime ran the ceremonies in such a rigorous way.

As I allowed myself to stay in "the current," as they call it, I felt like the medicine was not only introducing me to a divine force or presence, but it was also flushing out my psyche. It was a bit like a Buddhist mindfulness meditation – thoughts would arise, then channel themselves out.

The next morning, I went back and sat for a while in the empty church – for the first time in my life, I felt that I understood the nature of devotion as a spiritual practice. It seemed as if devotion was a vibration or a kind of frequency that helped to hold together the structure of reality. I felt moved, and grateful that I was being introduced to this ceremonial practice.

We then took a boat three days down into the jungle, to Jurua. For some reason, I was sort of terrified of this trip before leaving New York, and I couldn’t even bring myself to look at a map to see our destination. All I knew was that we were going very far into the Amazon. We slept on hammocks on the boat – I slept on top, under the roof, and it was an incredible experience. At night I would wake up to find everything shrouded in fog – the trees just visible like wraiths on the banks. I felt like we were floating into the void, into the abyss – and it was utterly liberating.

Finally we reached our docking spot. Part of our initiation process was learning how to make the ayahuasca, to work with the two plants that are brewed together, the vine and the leaf. As soon as we landed, we were brought to a huge pile of the leaves – we were told we had to clean each leaf individually. Usually only women work on the leaves – but for some reason, they decided they wanted the men to try it also. At first, cleaning the leaves seemed an impossible and endless task. They gave us Daime to drunk, however, and after a while the entire task suddenly changed into something intensely pleasurable. I felt each leaf was presenting itself like a little female deity that demanded attention – it seemed that the medicine was teaching us how to take care of it. Immersed in the task, I lost all track of time.

We took a break for lunch and then marched four hours deeper into the jungle, to the town of Jurua. Jurua is considered one of the most important spiritual centers of the Santo Daime. By Western standards, Jurua is a very rudimentary place – no phone, no electricity, no running water. The houses are strung off long jungle paths like beads on a string. We were led to our one big room, where we put up our hammocks and mosquito nets. It took some effort to get used to the jungle heat and humidity – we learned to follow the example of the villagers, who were good at keeping still and conserving their energy during the hottest parts of the day. All of the villagers were very friendly to us, and seemed to support us for having made this long trip to visit them and participate in their rituals. Without judgment, we were welcomed into their community.

During the next days, I learned how to work on the vine – carving out the moldy and rotten parts, and then smashing it into filaments for cooking. We had two ceremonies, presided over by Mestre Alfredo, who is the leader of the church. I was very impressed with Alfredo. He had a very gentle manner, yet I had immediate trust in him, and in his mastery of the Daime. The ceremonies were extraordinarily beautiful and moving. I found that I really wanted to be connected to this tradition, which had preserved such a direct connection to the sacred. Two of my friends felt the same way. Before we left the jungle, we decided we would join the church. We told Luis Fernando of our decision.

The last ceremony we had there was a healing ritual. The energy became so huge, the visions so intense, I was worried that we would be unable to contain it, but Alfredo stayed firm at the rudder. At times I could see the "Mother of the Forest," like a vast astral being, twirling over our heads. I could feel what I can only describe inadequately as the Divine Presence, at the center of the room, above the altar, where the energy of the singers was focused. I could see astral beings who seemed to be coming up to me bearing flowers and fruit. For a long time I had this sense that there was a dark figure by my left side, and I was scared it was something threatening. Finally, in my visionary state, I looked and realized it was Alfredo himself, reaching out a hand to me. In my vision, I shook his hand. He gave me a wonderful smile, and vanished.

We left Jurua the next day. We took a canoe through smaller tributaries to reach our boat on the river. For something like half an hour, an eagle flew along with us, leaping from tree to tree as we proceeded. It seemed like a fortuitous sign.

This journey was the most beautiful experience of my life.

I went digging through the forum a bit to find any posts related to the Santo Daime and not much came up, except for this from Daniel. I've read it before (on the Santo Daime website) and of course some variation of it was included in 2012TROQ.

I have felt very drawn to the Santo Daime ever since first reading about the religion. 2012TROQ, and the account above from Daniel, certainly increased my feeling of wonder about the SD. My wife and I have talked about visiting them in Brazil sometime in 2007 (our alternate plan is to visit Peru and work with curandero's there).

This thread has been started in the hopes of opening up a dialogue about the Santo Daime, in particular the original church started by Padrinho Sebastião in Brazil. Are there any members of the Santo Daime here? Has anyone else visitied them in Brazil (or elsewhere)? If so, do you have information that would assist those of us who plan to visit in the near future? Does anyone else feel called to the Doctrine?

Discuss...

[drew hempel]

Ummm.... if you want to cut through the B.S. on Brazil read A. J. Langguth's amazing investigation -- MACUMBA: White and Black magic in Brazil.

He really is the only one I've discovered who gets past of the superficial stuff and treks into the deep confines of spiritual practice in Brazil. It's a very well-written book, you feel like you're right there!

To cut to the chase -- the real practitioners go through 3 months of isolated meditation. This 3 month training is the same as in West Africa (for example the Senufo of Ivory Coast -- the Sacred Grove tradition. The same 3 month training occurs in China as the 100 day "gong."

[K.J]

Originally Posted by drew hempel

Ummm.... if you want to cut through the B.S. on Brazil read A. J. Langguth's amazing investigation -- MACUMBA: White and Black magic in Brazil.

He really is the only one I've discovered who gets past of the superficial stuff and treks into the deep confines of spiritual practice in Brazil. It's a very well-written book, you feel like you're right there!

To cut to the chase -- the real practitioners go through 3 months of isolated meditation. This 3 month training is the same as in West Africa (for example the Senufo of Ivory Coast -- the Sacred Grove tradition. The same 3 month training occurs in China as the 100 day "gong."

Thanks for the recommendation. I am currently reading Polari's 'Forest of Visions'; a great read so far (especially the Preface by Jonathan Goldman).

[ocoyai]

Originally Posted by drew hempel

To cut to the chase -- the real practitioners go through 3 months of isolated meditation. ."

no they dont.

The daime is the daime
the teacher of all teachings....

Do you like Jesus and the catholic religion?

if so the daime is great.

if not. You are not going to have the experiance you want.

[K.J]

Originally Posted by ocoyai

no they dont.

The daime is the daime
the teacher of all teachings....

Do you like Jesus and the catholic religion?

if so the daime is great.

if not. You are not going to have the experiance you want.

Catholic? My understanding is that their belief is very much influenced by an esoteric Christianity, but not Catholicism.

[drew hempel]

I'll check out "Forest of Visions" thanks -- again Macumba is the real thing! Watch as the author goes to Brazil (in the early 1980s I believe) and peels away the layers of cheesy fake eso-tourist stuff -- to finally travel back into a remote village considered the source of it all. Here's an excerpt from the beginning of A.J. Langguth's book:

http://ajlangguth.com/work8.htm

[daniel]

KJ: "I have felt very drawn to the Santo Daime ever since first reading about the religion. 2012TROQ, and the account above from Daniel, certainly increased my feeling of wonder about the SD. My wife and I have talked about visiting them in Brazil sometime in 2007 (our alternate plan is to visit Peru and work with curandero's there).

This thread has been started in the hopes of opening up a dialogue about the Santo Daime, in particular the original church started by Padrinho Sebastião in Brazil. Are there any members of the Santo Daime here? Has anyone else visitied them in Brazil (or elsewhere)? If so, do you have information that would assist those of us who plan to visit in the near future? Does anyone else feel called to the Doctrine?"

I am really missing it in my life right now, and hope to make it back to Brazil sometime soon. I would love to spend a longer time there and go deeper into the medicine.

I am not surprised there aren't more Daimesta's lurking here. I can give you some email contacts in Brazil if you want to learn more before you go.

[graffitirun]

Im not particularly drawn to the Santo Daime, mostly for the religous connections (though I have pondered the connection between the words Yage and Yahweh)


this was posted (by sacha) on the Ayahuasca forum

Ayahuasca use in contemporary Brazil
http://www.santodaime.org/archives/edward.htm

[ocoyai]

brazil is a catholic country. It is catholism that the religion developed in. Now that means that no one is worshiping the pope. But there is a lot of guilt and unworthness, and needing to suffer to be seen alright in the eyes of God. Master Irineu, the founder of the daime, was told by the virgen mother or mary, that came out of the full moon that he was to start this religion called the Santo Daime. The Virgen Mary is a very catholic thing. There are many many differnt churces in brazil, doing differnt things. Some of them do more ubanda style. Some more religious. Some more shamanistic. I recomend for anyone wanting to try this medicine that they find some true jungle people to do it with. The daime is a very powerfull experiance. But there is a lot of structure and cultural aspects with are definitly not transedent in anyway. I find in a lot of my experiance with the daime that the form can be very distracting from where the medince can take you. That is not to say that a powerfull direct experiance lies in the wake of the daime.

It depends on what you want. Do want to feel some kind of universal love? Have an experiance with Christ? Are you looking for some kind of moral thing? Do want power? Is that it? Are you looking for some magic recipe to some how work out the falsity of your ego? Some how, through what ever means you'll figure out how to make something broken work? Or healing. Or do you want to just see wierd shit.

It is good to ask these questions. The daime is a religion and will tend to go towards that end of the spectrum. The medicine is also not as strong that a lot of jungle shamans will make it. This is because the format is differnt. In the daime you are sitting in chairs or dancing. In the jungle you are in a hammock. I found that the place I went in the jungle with out all the strucutre was deeper. Farther into the inner dimensions and in simplistic terms "far more trippyer" The daime can feel like a more important experiance if your a personality type prone to mystical religous experiance and to working on your karma with other people. I think there both great and both give us something that is remarkable. unspeakable. and Holy. But you going to get into your head a lot with the daime. The indians will not really let that happen. There are rules in the daime. But also a feeling of deep universal joy.

There is a guy in brazil called Carioca. He is from the daime linage. But sings alot of his own songs, travels with musicians and plays his ipod. He is a pretty good synsthesis of the two worlds. You lay on the ground. He's real good. Carioca travels the world but lives in brazil. HE is awsome. He also has pretty strong medicne with he calles ayahuasca not daime.

least we not forget. Master Irinue was in the military. The rigidedy of that is there. its just something to be aware of. Nothing to freak out about.

The nice thing about the jungle is that it really let you focus on your journey. Where the daime/group thing seems to be about you and other people and there trips and the groups collective trip, which is very powerful, but also a waste of time if you dont need to find out your sexually ashamed of your self, you have been mean, and that its sad that we all die and suffer.

Im more of the type that wants to be flying to the origian of the universe with tecno-intellgent insect machines rebuilding my genitic structure, while I see the invisiable spirit pathways of the galaxy that carry mass forms of energy eternally while the darkenss of the univerese is revealed to me to be a grand "hoax" That the golden sphere of the tao is always on always radiating. Weither we like it or not. Weither we see it or not. That life is pure energy and creative emenice of consciness.

but I guess feeling christs love is cool to. And who doesnt like singing in church?

Oh you cant just barf whereever you want in the daime. That can be real anoying. in the jungle you just go chuck. Less to worry about I guess. But some people like trying to justify this world into the next. Its fun and good trick, but lets see whats really going on. You know?

[K.J]

Originally Posted by ocoyai

brazil is a catholic country. It is catholism that the religion developed in. Now that means that no one is worshiping the pope. But there is a lot of guilt and unworthness, and needing to suffer to be seen alright in the eyes of God. Master Irineu, the founder of the daime, was told by the virgen mother or mary, that came out of the full moon that he was to start this religion called the Santo Daime. The Virgen Mary is a very catholic thing. There are many many differnt churces in brazil, doing differnt things. Some of them do more ubanda style. Some more religious. Some more shamanistic. I recomend for anyone wanting to try this medicine that they find some true jungle people to do it with. The daime is a very powerfull experiance. But there is a lot of structure and cultural aspects with are definitly not transedent in anyway. I find in a lot of my experiance with the daime that the form can be very distracting from where the medince can take you. That is not to say that a powerfull direct experiance lies in the wake of the daime.

Mestre Irineu had a vision of what he called "The Queen of The Forest", who he believed to embody the spirit of the Virgin Mary. Although I can't say from firsthand knowledge, everything I've learned up to this point about the Santo Daime doesn't lead me to believe that their beliefs are largely influenced by Catholicism. That's surely a part of it, but no more so than the indigenous folk aspects of their belief.

Originally Posted by ocoyai

It depends on what you want. Do want to feel some kind of universal love? Have an experiance with Christ? Are you looking for some kind of moral thing? Do want power? Is that it? Are you looking for some magic recipe to some how work out the falsity of your ego? Some how, through what ever means you'll figure out how to make something broken work? Or healing. Or do you want to just see wierd shit.

I'm very interested in how entheogen's can contribute to a community experience. This is one of the main tenets of the Santo Daime, is that your spiritual knowledge isn't worth much until you can bring it down into the physical through the medium of community.

Originally Posted by ocoyai

It is good to ask these questions. The daime is a religion and will tend to go towards that end of the spectrum. The medicine is also not as strong that a lot of jungle shamans will make it. This is because the format is differnt. In the daime you are sitting in chairs or dancing. In the jungle you are in a hammock. I found that the place I went in the jungle with out all the strucutre was deeper. Farther into the inner dimensions and in simplistic terms "far more trippyer" The daime can feel like a more important experiance if your a personality type prone to mystical religous experiance and to working on your karma with other people. I think there both great and both give us something that is remarkable. unspeakable. and Holy. But you going to get into your head a lot with the daime. The indians will not really let that happen. There are rules in the daime. But also a feeling of deep universal joy.

Amen to this! Thank you for sharing your viewpoint on the Santo Daime with us.

[K.J]

Originally Posted by daniel

I am really missing it in my life right now, and hope to make it back to Brazil sometime soon. I would love to spend a longer time there and go deeper into the medicine.

I am not surprised there aren't more Daimesta's lurking here. I can give you some email contacts in Brazil if you want to learn more before you go.

That's precisely our plan Daniel. We'd like to visit them initially for about 3 weeks (not sure which community, but ideally it'd be Céu do Mapiá or Jurua). If that visit goes as well as we hope, then we'd consider coming back for a much longer period of time (say, 2 months). We don't want to be just tourists, but rather, we'd like to integrate into the community as much as possible for a couple of outsiders, and hopefully bring something besides our money (we consider it a charitable mission as well; to help the community prosper in some way).

I'll PM you for more information.

[graffitirun]

Originally Posted by ocoyai

...some people like trying to justify this world into the next. Its fun and good trick, but lets see whats really going on. You know?

great post, thanks!


I get the impression that communities like the Santo Daime are a way to spread a living healthy force into/with religious practices.

Lord knows, religions of all types can be corrupt, rotted and in need of some degree of real healing. It is a force on this planet, religous, mystical, group experience, a force just as much as the Individual experience.

I have all respect for the Santo Daime and the UDV et al-

Simultaneously I see the need, the option, the challenge, to build an open relationship, to respectfully integrate, Ayahuasca, as a purgative, as a medicine, as much more than that, into my daily millennial process.

[drew hempel]

Yeah-- just watch out for Hare-Krishna-Jim Jones-CIA scams.

[cosmoz]

Christianity and Tryptamines? Yipes!!

Sin-Redemption and tryptamines? Yipes!!

why do the Christians constantly have to get there nose in everyones Tryp?

I'm personally waiting for the day when The "scam of Christ dying for our sins" will be finally put to rest.

Armeggedon here we come.
Balls out baby, balls out.....................

[Thom]

Grafitirun:

Simultaneously I see the need, the option, the challenge, to build an open relationship, to respectfully integrate, Ayahuasca, as a purgative, as a medicine, as much more than that, into my daily millennial process.

Me too. When i first began to drink the tea i was overly cautious about diet, food interactions etc, and this actually prevented me from exploring that often. Now i'm more relaxed about such things, and drink more often, in more varied circumstances. I'd say i've become more respectful of ayahuasca as my relationship with it has developed, and part of this respect has stemmed from a recognition that ayahuasca is a lot more tolerant than the horror stories would have us believe. There is a genuine wise intelligence there. Also, i think there is great value in maintaining a 'little and often' relationship with the tea - carrying that heart centered vibration out into the wider community, as a sort of social practice. (It probably goes without saying that full-on doses require a more stable environment.)

KJ:

I'm very interested in how entheogen's can contribute to a community experience. This is one of the main tenets of the Santo Daime, is that your spiritual knowledge isn't worth much until you can bring it down into the physical through the medium of community.

Well said. This seems to be one of the themes of our era - openess and clarity of communication, articulation of the true self - which requires a community! The time of the lone magus muttering in the moonlit shed is passed. We have all we need to realise in one year what might have taken a lifetime for a renaissance magus - partly because of entheogens, and partly because of the easy availability of all sorts of esoteric texts, and works of reappraisal.

Our struggle is working with communities - and as most westerners seem still to believe that we have achieved the end of history, and that our civilization is more or less perfected, its certainly a difficult task. I sometimes think of Shakespeare's play, Love's Labours Lost, inspired perhaps by Giordano Bruno. In that play, a Sophia-like Princess instructs the ambitious young seekers to "never rest, / But seek the weary beds of people sick." She says,

to win me, if you please,
Without the which I am not to be won,
You shall this twelvemonth term, from day to day,
Visit the speechless sick, and still converse
With groaning wretches; and your task shall be
With all the fierce endeavour of your wit
To enforce the pained impotent to smile.

That speech takes on a new pitch and relevance in our age where many people do not even realise they are sick, and so many smiles are complacent, eerie. Also from that play, this famous speech about love could be interpreted as a rhapsody on the daime:

Other slow arts entirely keep the brain;
And therefore, finding barren practisers,
Scarce show a harvest of their heavy toil;
But love, first learned in a lady's eyes,
Lives not alone immured in the brain,
But with the motion of all elements,
Courses as swift as thought in every power,
And gives to every power a double power,
Above their functions and their offices.
It adds a precious seeing to the eye;
A lover's eyes will gaze an eagle blind;
A lover's ear will hear the lowest sound,
When the suspicious head of theft is stopp'd:
Love's feeling is more soft and sensible
Than are the tender horns of cockled snails:
Love's tongue proves dainty Bacchus gross in taste.
For valour, is not Love a Hercules,
Still climbing trees in the Hesperides?
Subtle as Sphinx; as sweet and musical
As bright Apollo's lute, strung with his hair;
And when Love speaks, the voice of all the gods
Make heaven drowsy with the harmony.

Ayahuasca seems like it will have a role to play. I'm not sure my father would drink it (and yet...), but certainly my brothers and sisters, friends and peers would be more open to the notion of a tea that heals - especially so after the ecstasies of the rave scene, and the tacit legitimization of the UDV. Daniel wrote somewhere about groups like the Daime providing a ritual container for the energies of an ayahuasca experience - that makes sense to me. And if we can envisage a situation where more than the usual crew show an interest in having the experience, the Santo Daime would seem to provide a sensible model, because as Ocoyai noted, the tea can be used shamanically, to enter alone into other aspects of being, or it can be used in a community context, where people will be dealing with such things as mentioned above, buried shames, guilts, and sorrows. It is this latter context where the tea could be of immense value in the coming years.


Just some thoughts anyway. I hope all goes well for you in Brazil.

[K.J]

Originally Posted by Thom

Ayahuasca seems like it will have a role to play. I'm not sure my father would drink it (and yet...), but certainly my brothers and sisters, friends and peers would be more open to the notion of a tea that heals - especially so after the ecstasies of the rave scene, and the tacit legitimization of the UDV. Daniel wrote somewhere about groups like the Daime providing a ritual container for the energies of an ayahuasca experience - that makes sense to me. And if we can envisage a situation where more than the usual crew show an interest in having the experience, the Santo Daime would seem to provide a sensible model, because as Ocoyai noted, the tea can be used shamanically, to enter alone into other aspects of being, or it can be used in a community context, where people will be dealing with such things as mentioned above, buried shames, guilts, and sorrows. It is this latter context where the tea could be of immense value in the coming years.


Just some thoughts anyway. I hope all goes well for you in Brazil.

Thank you so much for your thoughts and well wishes. I particularly liked this last paragraph. It resonates.

[Mars]

Originally Posted by Thom

Other slow arts entirely keep the brain;
And therefore, finding barren practisers,
Scarce show a harvest of their heavy toil;
But love, first learned in a lady's eyes,
Lives not alone immured in the brain,
But with the motion of all elements,
Courses as swift as thought in every power,
And gives to every power a double power,
Above their functions and their offices.
It adds a precious seeing to the eye;
A lover's eyes will gaze an eagle blind;
A lover's ear will hear the lowest sound,
When the suspicious head of theft is stopp'd:
Love's feeling is more soft and sensible
Than are the tender horns of cockled snails:
Love's tongue proves dainty Bacchus gross in taste.
For valour, is not Love a Hercules,
Still climbing trees in the Hesperides?
Subtle as Sphinx; as sweet and musical
As bright Apollo's lute, strung with his hair;
And when Love speaks, the voice of all the gods
Make heaven drowsy with the harmony.

Thom, thank you for reminding me of this beautiful and evocative speech. I have been looking for speeches to bring to a Shakespeare/Voice class and this is perfect material. Thanks for sharing it.

[graffitirun]

Originally Posted by Thom

...'little and often' relationship with the tea ....out into the wider community, as a sort of social practice. (It probably goes without saying that full-on doses require a more stable environment.)

yes, even simple caapi-only tea can do wonders

especially for those unfamiliar with such things or apprehensive, sensitive, old etc


on the other hand, it's necessary to rip the roof off whenever possible..

I'm not sure my father would drink it (and yet...)

on the basis that Taita can translate into the Father, I gave Yajé, The New Purgatory: Encounters with Ayahuasca by Jimmy Weiskopf to my father as a gift.

[Chef MyKLove]

Originally Posted by K.J

Does anyone else feel called to the Doctrine?
Discuss...

I've recently chosen a Daime "indoctrination", or rather i would say that the Daime found me. I've begun writing about it in a chronicle blog sort-of thing. Definitely a transforming journey.

I like the idea of a dialog like this thread.

I spent several hours speaking with a close friend about it the other night and she told me that it's 'becoming popular'... whatever that means in terms of numbers of folk trying it. I was certainly surprised at the number of forums and websites dedicated to the entheogenic experience when I did my research about it after having my head broken open with Daime.

so in Love
MyKL

[K.J]

Originally Posted by Chef MyKLove

I've recently chosen a Daime "indoctrination", or rather i would say that the Daime found me. I've begun writing about it in a chronicle blog sort-of thing. Definitely a transforming journey.

I like the idea of a dialog like this thread.

I spent several hours speaking with a close friend about it the other night and she told me that it's 'becoming popular'... whatever that means in terms of numbers of folk trying it. I was certainly surprised at the number of forums and websites dedicated to the entheogenic experience when I did my research about it after having my head broken open with Daime.

so in Love
MyKL

Thank you for sharing this! I will definitely peruse your blog. I am very interested in learning about others' experiences with the SD.