Opposing Einstein

[drew hempel]

Recently it was stated that Einstein's "theory of relativity" is based on the Pythagorean Theorem and therefore the Pythagorean Theorem is correct.

The below blog entry I wrote just about a year ago was reposted on the website forum -- "opposing digits" by some unknown reader. It's all about why Einstein is wrong:

http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums...0a21abac87da5d

[craazyman]

that's a misreading on two levels.

1. The Pythagorean theorem is only "right" within its own reference system, i.e. Euclidean geometry. In fact, there are no right triangles in the real world, only resemblences.

2. Einstein is no more "right or wrong" than Newton or Gallileo or Thales of Miletus. His theory simply fits the data better than previous theories.

No doubt the philosophers of science covered these arguments decades if not centuries ago.

[drew hempel]

The "real world" is indeed a "convenient fiction" when based on increasing rates of genocide, slums, mass starvation and finally -- collapse of the whole life-support system for the planet. Nice thing that Cheny and Kissinger can go to their underground FEMA survival cities -- the REAL real world. haha.

Euclid got his geometry mainly from Eudoxus who stole it from Philolaus who was a Pythagorean that lied -- breaking the oath of secrecy and thereby creating a

FAKE REFERENCE SYSTEM based on deep disharmony.

[craazyman]

Drew how would you explain the Tutus and Hutsis, if you want to relate the propensity for mathematical abstractions to some notion and practice of an abstract morality. Those clever cow hearders and farmers didn't need technology to create a holocaust, just knives and spears.

And where do your fine notions of morality come from? Definitely not from "indigenous" or "shamanic" societies. North America was wall-to-wall tribal warfare and warrior macho cult cultures before Europeans showed up and joined the fistfight.

I guess the greys were watching then too. I wonder what they were thinking?

(By the way, I take garlic and cayenne every day. )

[Isaiah Mpski]

No,no,no,no,no.
You've got it all wrong CM.I admit,being a bit Indian I may be biased but America before the white man was big-time trading and peace.There may have been easily 100 million people then.Easily and I've talked to some historians who said the figure was 200 million.

Now there were periods-around 1000 AD when drought forced some tribes out west to become marauders.But overall there were few problems in America before the white man.

The trade was done mostly by waterways and even reached the Caribbean Islands and Mexico by NA Indians.

[drew hempel]

Craazyman -- I just read "The Africans" by David Lamb -- an excellent LA Times journalist who travelled to 100 countries.

anyway the answer about the Rwandan genocides is quite simple -- the WHITES FUCKED UP AFRICA through "divide and conquer" policies.

http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org...j73/kimber.htm

[craazyman]

I think there well may have been historical forces that predisposed the situation to occurr, as Mr. Lamb would argue.

But the broad history of humanity shows that war and predation aren't exclusive to any ethnic group. Look at the Aztecs and surrounding tribes when Cortez showed up. And I'm dubious of the "they made us do it" argument. I suspect other reasons would have been found if the white man hadn't supplied some.

This is sort of a "tastes great/less filling" kind of debate.

Isaiah that may be true and I'm going strictly by the experience in the 1700s/1800s--from Iriquois/Cherokee/et. al. cultures and legends through plains Indian warfare through the western tribes.

There may well have been a peaceful situation before that, but to me some of this stuff smacks more of wishful legends than reality.

If it is true, it would be interesting to see how the cultures organized themselves to deal with aggression.

A remarkable situation in that regard was narrated by Jared Diamond in his recent book "Collapse"--apparently there was a small polynesian island that maintained a peaceful, but insular, culture for over 2,000 years, numbering some 3000 or 4000 souls. I forgot the island's name, but they had myths, legends, tribal societal structures, an economic system, farming strategies--they regulated themselves like an organic garden. It sounds like the Garden of Eden, but it presumably is historical fact. Probably had a few fistfights and wrestling matches from time to time, but that's about all, apparently.

[drew hempel]

Craazyman -- I know your point but the fact is for 90% of human history -- the Koisan culture before 10,000 BCE -- there was no organized warfare.

Here's Wayne Madsen on the CIA and Pentagon creating the latest Rwanda Genocide -- not just background factors -- but DIRECT WHITE CONTROL OF THE LATEST RWANDA GENOCIDE:

http://cryptome.org/us-africa-wm.htm

Cortez also used "divide and conquer" tactics against the Aztecs but the main culprit was disease. White man disease.

As for Easter Island -- well guess what? A new study AFTER Jared Diamond's Collapse (a book that didn't impress me at all. His first book, btw, is a big rip-off of Marvin Harris -- but then Marvin Harris didn't have much of a PR campaign I guess).

Anyway -- a new study, and I'll find it, showed that Easter Island collapsed AFTER contact with the WHITES. Up till the Whites Easter Island had managed to be "sustainable."

it was New Scientist I believe.... hold on..... (jeopardy theme music please)...

Nope: AMERICAN SCIENTIST:

http://www.americanscientist.org/tem...true&print=yes

[craazyman]

Yes I kind of agree with you about Jared Diamond's book. It was huge and muscular, but I thought it was more a laundry list of collateral issues than a probing look at the central issue -- what psychological factors predispose certain cultures to disintegrate into mayhem. This seems to me to touch more on the realm of 20th century analytical psychology, and I do not think the book relating that to societal collapse has been written yet.

I did not mean Easter Island. That collapsed. It was a small island that somehow persisted peacefully for two millenia, and still does, to the best of my recollection.

Cortez only took advantage of a pre-existing situation of chronic and continuous tribal warfare among the native Mexicans. These tribes fought and hated each other long before Cortez ever set foot on his boat in Spain. They seemed to live in a bizarre group mind that Daniel mentions briefly in 2012 in relation to Gebser and, if I recall, the Conquistadores in Peru. That is another book that needs to be written. It would be truly illuminating.

This whole area is ripe for scholarship and analysis, but most in academe have deep-sixed themselves head first into their own western-white-male-colonialist-hating-indiginous-cultures-are-bambi-in-the-garden-of-eden pile of steaming do-do. It's a viscious anti-elitism that betrays a profound unconscious sense of entitlement and superiority. Physicians, know thyselves.

[Agent Smith]

"it's simple"?

uh, riiiiiight.


anyone here read "1491" by charles mann?

even if europeans had only love, and warm fuzzies in their hearts small pox would have annihilated most of the native cultures. they had no , immunological defenses against it.

it happened before the whites even knew what was going on.---they realized it pretty quickly and thought it was a damn shame, carting africans across an ocean was an expense they might have wanted to skip in the begining. cheap labor is so hard to find.

once the evil djinn was out of the bottle though it was too late. europeans who didn't possess immunity simply never survived childhood.

apparently there wasn't enough of the type of genetic diversity that varies immune systems among north, and south americans to stave off the viruses.

but i'm sure that the freemasons planned it all.

[pepe3leches]

Ok, please excuse me the off-topic, but anyone has some oppinion about jack sarfatti books?

[drew hempel]

Sarfartti's featured in the Stargate Conspiracy book.

[pepe3leches]

gotta get that Stargate Conspirancy shit

do you think people that the increasing numbrer of UFO sightings that are reported in TV is due to a promotion of the New Age pseudo-religion ??

[drew hempel]

The CIA-Freemason-Theosophist conspiracy is definitely promoting a "alien" invasion agenda on CNN, etc.

Also smallpox WAS USED AS A WEAPON against the Indians:

http://www.h-net.msu.edu/~west/threa...-smallpox.html

[Isaiah Mpski]

Yeah,and by the time Lewis and Clark made their expedition almost all the tribes they encountered carried veneral disease.Fuking French fur traders.

[drew hempel]

Yeah and the only was Jacob Astor could build NYC was to get the Ojibwe to become drunks -- otherwise no fucking way would they kill all the wildlife for furs.

This is detailed by Rhoda Gilman, working for the MN Historical Society. It was a conscious, overt plan to get the Indians to be drunks so that they no longer valued animals in a shamanic sense.

[Agent Smith]

you know something drew...WRITING SOMETHING IN ALL CAPS DOESN'T NECESSARILLY MAKE IT RELAVANT!!!

small pox devestated the Aztec, and Inca in the 1500's when the spanish arrived, in fact if not for the inadvertant infection of the population they both would have wiped out any would be conquerors. no doubt the europeans would have done this intentionally if they'd thought about it, but guess what? they didn't. it happened too fast, and would have occured intentionally or not.

what was eventually done in the 1700's is besides the fact.

but i think this will give you the final piece you seem to be missing

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3ojmPIf5DG8

[drew hempel]

Cortez also used "divide and conquer" tactics against the Aztecs but the main culprit was disease. White man disease.

I guess repeating myself doesn't make it any more relevant as well. haha.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Yes Drew,you need to find yourself a paying job or try and collect SS.
You really have a fuked up sort of personality.I can help you though if you want to get to heaven.

I guess I'm in a bit of a bad mood,so forgive me.I have to meet with the tax people in about 30 minutes.

They say I underpaid last year.

Cm,I bought 20 k of VLO when it hit 57.
and 600 shares of chk.Pray for us.
If i could do it I'd put 100k in Anadarko.

[craazyman]

Ouch, I got hit last year with that. A modest amount, but I'm a poor Joe so it hurt like hell. that will ruin the day.

I think Cortez has come to Wall Street and speculation is the Aztec nation and leverage is small-pox.

Call me Mr. Cash. This could be the beginning of the end, & yes DNA western civilzation is going to collapse at least 30% to 40%, and then I'll be back in.

I'm feeling greedy, so I'm going to wait for a little more weakness before jumping in to the gas plays.

Drew Isaiah is right, you need a job to complete your education -- preferably in an office where people backstab and screw you. Then you'll learn all about human nature as it occurs in capitalist, communist, socialist, shamanic, agrarian, Martian, Pleadean and probably even in "Grey" societies--where two or three are gathered together, watch your back. P.S.--yes, I'm exxagerating for theatrical impact. Its not always like that, but it is too often, too often.

[pepe3leches]

hey drew, today i got the full-lotus thing! in some months I'll see if the full-lotus-bliss-vagus-nerve-orgasm thing goes on

ok, so, what's the next step?

[Mars]

Originally Posted by drew hempel

Craazyman -- I know your point but the fact is for 90% of human history -- the Koisan culture before 10,000 BCE -- there was no organized warfare.

Here's Wayne Madsen on the CIA and Pentagon creating the latest Rwanda Genocide -- not just background factors -- but DIRECT WHITE CONTROL OF THE LATEST RWANDA GENOCIDE:

http://cryptome.org/us-africa-wm.htm

Cortez also used "divide and conquer" tactics against the Aztecs but the main culprit was disease. White man disease.

As for Easter Island -- well guess what? A new study AFTER Jared Diamond's Collapse (a book that didn't impress me at all. His first book, btw, is a big rip-off of Marvin Harris -- but then Marvin Harris didn't have much of a PR campaign I guess).

Anyway -- a new study, and I'll find it, showed that Easter Island collapsed AFTER contact with the WHITES. Up till the Whites Easter Island had managed to be "sustainable."

it was New Scientist I believe.... hold on..... (jeopardy theme music please)...

Nope: AMERICAN SCIENTIST:

http://www.americanscientist.org/tem...true&print=yes

Such an interesting article. I just started Roger Osborne's excellent "A New History of the Western World" and a quote from there that I just read an hour ago seems appropos:

"Our tendency to mould the past into a comforting prelude to the present is most obvious when the past is so little known. An enthusiasm for archaeology, combined with a few chronicles and histories of doubtful value, enabled our predecessors to make a plausible story...history is not simply guided by the political ideology of the time in which it is conceived; it is always a radical simplification of the past.

[Isaiah Mpski]

You know we(the members of this board) are going to have to have a get together.
And I vote we do it right here in middle America in the great state of McIntosh County, on the shores of Lake Eufaula Oklahoma.

I'd bet 90% of you never cleaned a fish,much less eaten fried poke.

July would be a good time.The corn will be ripe,the potatoes,okra and tomatoes will be ready.
Fish on the line.Beer in the bucket.

[drew hempel]

Glad to hear you got the full-lotus Pepe! Hey is Ojos de Brujos very popular in Spain? My local international show is always plugging them and their new c.d. is now in the U.S.

The small universe is different than standard "kundalini" yoga -- or full-lotus -- because you use the mind to cycle the energy DOWN THE FRONT -- not just "up the back."

The energy will cycle on its own while in full-lotus but it takes an extreme amount of control to do this, as the pain is overwhelming until the channels open up.

So we use simplified tai-chi active excercises and then the "small universe" -- the 12 nodes along the outside of the body.

I've been experimenting to find a quicker method -- but of course Master Chunyi LIn's spring forest qigong practice is the best.

http://springforestqigong.com

[pepe3leches]

Hi drew. "Ojos de Brujo" surely it isn't a mainstream band, but, among the "altenative culture " it is pretty popular. Main theme of their songs is gipsies having hash and street life. I went to a live concert and they sound amazing --the bassist is just great. (Hey, i think i've mimetized your writing!)

This summer i will go on taichi, but I need more flexibility on my legs. I can't do the full lotus more than 5 minutes. I suppose it is a question of time and practice.

Anyway, there's something i want to ask you. I started reading all that Ananda and Aton stuff that you mentioned, but, it is reliable? The first page i went on was this one: http://www.akasha.de/%7Eaton/HyperDNA.htm , which talks on hyperdimensional DNA. But the first paragraph asserts that Dr. Chris Illert won a nobel prize in 1998 and then i went nobel prize's homeoage and that's wrong.

It is a delusion? Or maybe it is some stuff from a paralel universe collapsing with ours?

[drew hempel]

No -- that's just more of the Stargate Conspiracy propaganda from Dan Winters, et. al. I just cite that stuff because of the "know thy enemy" principle -- the same reason I read "Beyond Telepathy" by Dr. Andrija Puharich.

So it's fascinating "tantric technology" with the goal of transforming the whole planet into a psi-plasma vortex -- or superconducting holograph, using quantum chaos technology.

Of course the alien invasion helps people transition to this goal -- aliens meaning smallpox, immigrants, ecoterrorists, the grays, etc.

[Isaiah Mpski]

I married a Gray.Patsy Gray.
She was born in Pittsburg,Oklahoma and there soonafter moved to the Grapes of Phoenix,Calif.Dry up,Califor.

[ielectric]

whites gave natives blankets infected with smallpox.
read bury my heart at wounded knee.

the international football team, new zealand all-blacks. they do a maori war dance at the start of each match. warfare between tribal peoples most often consisted of such braggadaccio. if a handful of opposing tribesmen were killed in battle, the war had reached standards of brutality the europeans would have considered no more than a barfight. this was as true of africans as it was of indigenous americans.

barring all that, most people in any given war -- including modern warfare -- choose not to fight. humans are not warmongering. more people are refugees than fighters. most people will give up their land before defend it to the death -- theirs or the usurpers. history, of course, does not report on the strategy and logistics of refugee populations. the new york post will report that THREE TEENS KILL FOUR before they will say EIGHT MILLION DIDN'T KILL ANYBODY. insurance companies bet you x dollars annually that you will die a natural death because, statistically, you will.

more good happens to people than bad, but we fear saying so. it's more acceptable to say "i forgot my wallet" than it is to say "i just remembered to bring my wallet."

i hate to be so positive.

peace.

[nanouk]

rugby, mate, rugby...not football... the all black's chant. it is Maori, in True Sense.

love and respect,

~N~

[ielectric]

i stand corrected. i only recall seeing the dance, not a match. confess i'm not much of a team sports fan. i will, however, watch boxing on tv. even unknowns in non-title bouts. not regularly. know nothing about the sport, really. it just strikes me as so right. i mean, if you want sport, have at it. me, i'm a lover, not a fighter. i did compete on varsity track, lacrosse in high school. walking -- lately yoga -- sufficed since then.

peace