inner explosion

Chiel · 04-19-2007, 07:54 AM

Reecently I experienced my first ayahuasca ceremony, led by a shaman from the Shuar-tribe of the Ecuadorian Amazone. I was being led to an inner-explosion, rushing to my head. However, my ego was resisting fiercly and I didn't succeed letting the explosion happen. I was told that this explosion is a one-time experience, involving the death of the ego. Any person on a quest to enlarge his/her consciousness is said to have to go through this. My question is: is there anyone who has experienced this explosion and/or can tell me anything about it that has been recorded in scriptures from any culture?
I would be grateful for any information.
Chiel

Caprinardo Delirio · 04-21-2007, 01:23 AM

i think that the death-rebirth scenarios that exist within almost every culture are depictions of this experience. read the books of stanislav grof and joseph campbell, they contain immense information of the spiritual transformation rites of various cultures and also in modern psychedelic sessions.

i've experienced a death-rebirth in a dream some twelve years ago. no psychedelics, yet it was the most profound and powerful experience i remember having. no explosion though, it was perhaps more over in another category, since there really were no dismemberment or anything of that kind, there were threats though, but after touching the sun me and others were swimming towards, we awoke on what i at the time thought to myself as a rose-shaped waterslide-type of platform over an endless ocean. more than ten years later i learned of this scenario's commonplace in various mythologies of traveling towards the sun and i saw, after seeing different pictures and descriptions of this, that it was actually a lotus flower we awoke 'dead' on. i keep thinking that this dream and other similar experiences were what pulled me towards all these subjects even though they were separated by many years and wasn't a conscious part of the beginnings of these fascinations.

i think that people's individual characteristics determine to a large extend how your spiritual transformative experience will look and feel. i know that the bi-polar disorder's resolution will most likely contain some explosion like that because of the dramatic trap of the ego within a death-threatening experience and the numinous luminous quality of light and liberation that is sensed, and prematurely identified with, during the manic psychosis, which should successfully and ideally end in ego-death and subsequent rebirth. the ego-death could very well be an explosion like this, or it could be dismemberment or decapitation in the more mytho-visual realm of the matters.. i'm sure most people can experience a powerful ego-death, but some to people it will more of am inherit part of any major consciousness-elevation, if they've perhaps had biographical episodes of great danger, or have had other experiences that will reinforce their sense of ego (not any actual ego, since it doesn't exist) and so it's a first step for these individuals, whereas other flow effortlessly into the whatever we wish to call these dope realms.

hopefully you'll have another chance to successfully experience this, you could also try a non-"drug" technique like holotropic breathwork, which delivers ego-death extraordinare!

hope this wasn't too far off or too trivially well-known!

Isaiah Mpski · 04-21-2007, 05:49 AM

Someone started a thread about synchronicities.
I meant to discuss and explain the phenomenon farthur BUT THEN another one appeared.
The same morning Cho was carrying out his senseless actions a group of US Indians were gathered out in western Oklahoma to dedicate a new center commerating the deaths of more than 100 Cheyennes on the Wichita River.

The raid on the peaceful camp of Cheyennes was led by none other than George Armstrong Custer in about 1867.It was a massacre,not a battle.

Caprinardo Delirio · 04-21-2007, 06:44 AM

yes, massacres are within and without in america.

newspapers try wholesomely to capture the essence of the tragedy, yet no-one has yet publicly to suggest lsd.

and the brilliant proposal to encourage more to wear arms in it's stead.. well, it's just sad!

Isaiah Mpski · 04-21-2007, 06:53 AM

Suggest LSD for what?

Metamphetamine seems to be the rage now.

People over here aren't looking for enlightment anymore.Too worried about paying all the bills.

Humming · 04-21-2007, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiel

My question is: is there anyone who has experienced this explosion and/or can tell me anything about it that has been recorded in scriptures from any culture?
I would be grateful for any information.
Chiel

In Buddhism something like what you're describing as ego-loss (or ego-freedom which is a better term i think) is called nirvana. In Hinduism it's called moksha. However, these two states are permanent states, rather than fleeting the ego-freedom you get from an intese psychedelic trip.

sacha · 04-21-2007, 02:30 PM

Yes, it is breaking through the boundaries of ego, which may be experienced as an "explosion" if it happens suddenly, as through psychedelics or other mystical experiences that happen suddenly. It can be a frightening experience when it happens suddenly and without preparation, but afterward the fear is sensed to be worth it.

A single psychedelic experience rarely leads to permanent freedom from ego; rather, it gives you the experience of the state of ecstasy, freedom and peace that is possible through ego breakthrough. It still requires long-term discipline to maintain the state. But the "explosion" is unlikely to happen more than once because, whether encountered in short bursts through subsequent psychedelic experiences or approached gradually by meditation, after experiencing it once, one won't have the resistance to it the way one might have the first time, after one knows that ego-transcendance leads to ecstasy and peace. It is the initial resistance that can make the experience "explosive."

Transcending ego means that ceasing to identify with the identity you have constructed to function in space and time, and realize that you are a being that exists outside of the dimensions of space and time -- that does not have a "where" and a "when," and is not separated from other consciousnesses by the illusion of physical distance.

Caprinardo Delirio · 04-22-2007, 02:31 PM

i believe that anyone who experiences moksha or nirvana in this life will still preserve an ego, although one radically different read afterwards, and that liberation as such actually is a peak experience, plus of course, the liberated life one is free to live afterwards, not some enduring stage of supreme development as wilber will have you believe.

just how i see it, yet i'm not anyone's authority except my own.. i mean, what an godawful mindfuck to have your culture or their psychopaths play on you where that to be the case.

craazyman · 04-22-2007, 03:03 PM

what do you folks mean by "ego"? isn't the ego always changing, dying, rebirthing, evolving? with time and experience? or stagnating without?

This all sounds to me like a big language game without any foundation in reality.

suebee · 04-22-2007, 03:27 PM

this happened to me about 6 months ago stoned on mj: two friends were talking about their friend who had died the day before unexpectedly. i began to imagine how it would be if they were talking about me and what the world would look like without me in it and suddenly i was in that 'place' castaneda described as the impersonal nature of the universe. nothing looked familiar and the energy of everything changed; i was an unknown to myself. my friends kept telling me to sit down as i was just pacing back and forth and i was able to act normal but i wasnt. at least i returned after about 10 minutes to whatever it was i think i am. unsettling is putting it mildly. maybe with a shaman's input i could navigate it but i dont want to feel that pure flat impersonality on my own again.

Led_Zeppelin · 04-22-2007, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiel

Reecently I experienced my first ayahuasca ceremony, led by a shaman from the Shuar-tribe of the Ecuadorian Amazone. I was being led to an inner-explosion, rushing to my head. However, my ego was resisting fiercly and I didn't succeed letting the explosion happen. I was told that this explosion is a one-time experience, involving the death of the ego. Any person on a quest to enlarge his/her consciousness is said to have to go through this. My question is: is there anyone who has experienced this explosion and/or can tell me anything about it that has been recorded in scriptures from any culture?
I would be grateful for any information.
Chiel

Maybe the quality of the ayahausca brew was below par. Your ego should not be strong enough to resist the DMT molecule busting you through to the spirit dimension. What was the name of this Shaman and/or Tour?

suebee · 04-27-2007, 07:50 AM

there was a little blip of an article in time magazine about the renewed interest in using psychedelics in treatment of mental disorders forty four years after such research was derailed by "the drug free-for-all" which followed. richard doblin (who founded the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - MAPS) at harvard has "painstakingly worked with intensely skeptical federal authorities" for over 30 years to help get scientists funding and approval for studies. it took twenty years to get approval for the studies involving ketamine which showed "clear benefits" to severely depressed patients. another newly released study on treatment of OC disorder patients with psilocybin indicated "acute reduction of core symptoms." new studies are beginning with lsd...

of course, there is myriad evidence that peyote and ayahuasca have been used successfully for decades now to treat alcoholism and other mental and emotional addictions in a community setting.

school officials used to refuse to fund yoga classes at my junior college but the classes are getting bigger and bigger each year now.

some good news!!!

Chiel · 04-29-2007, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Led_Zeppelin

Maybe the quality of the ayahausca brew was below par. Your ego should not be strong enough to resist the DMT molecule busting you through to the spirit dimension. What was the name of this Shaman and/or Tour?

the quality of the ayuahasca was, i was told by experienced users, excellent, as was trhe shaman. i dont remember his name, but, by god, i remember his whistling. went straight through me.

stfrequency · 04-30-2007, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suebee

richard doblin (who founded the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - MAPS) at harvard....

I might be wrong, but I believe Rick Doblin is an alum of New College in Sarasota... I've never seen him linked to Harvard...

MAPS is an outstanding organization -- everyone should send them some money!

;)
st

stfrequency · 04-30-2007, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Led_Zeppelin

Maybe the quality of the ayahausca brew was below par. Your ego should not be strong enough to resist the DMT molecule busting you through to the spirit dimension.

It would have to be a potency thing in the end, but even some participants of Strassman's DMT studies found it difficult to breakthrough on high doses of DMT. Repeated attempts helped these people loose their egos and cross into the DMT dimension, so it seems a familiarity with the territory aids those that are initially resistant to a full-on experience. I've never taken DMT myself, but I already anticipate that I may be one of these stubborn egos that requires a helpless shove across the psychic chasm. When I finally encounter DMT, I'll be sure to dive in!

A tip from Strassman: "Go *through* the colors and patterns, rather than being entranced by them. They are a distraction, and the doorway..."

st

04-19-2007, 07:54 AM	#1
Chiel Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 12	inner explosion Reecently I experienced my first ayahuasca ceremony, led by a shaman from the Shuar-tribe of the Ecuadorian Amazone. I was being led to an inner-explosion, rushing to my head. However, my ego was resisting fiercly and I didn't succeed letting the explosion happen. I was told that this explosion is a one-time experience, involving the death of the ego. Any person on a quest to enlarge his/her consciousness is said to have to go through this. My question is: is there anyone who has experienced this explosion and/or can tell me anything about it that has been recorded in scriptures from any culture? I would be grateful for any information. Chiel

04-21-2007, 05:49 AM	#3
Isaiah Mpski Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Eufaula,Oklahoma Posts: 3,563	reality Someone started a thread about synchronicities. I meant to discuss and explain the phenomenon farthur BUT THEN another one appeared. The same morning Cho was carrying out his senseless actions a group of US Indians were gathered out in western Oklahoma to dedicate a new center commerating the deaths of more than 100 Cheyennes on the Wichita River. The raid on the peaceful camp of Cheyennes was led by none other than George Armstrong Custer in about 1867.It was a massacre,not a battle.

04-21-2007, 06:53 AM	#5
Isaiah Mpski Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Eufaula,Oklahoma Posts: 3,563	reality Suggest LSD for what? Metamphetamine seems to be the rage now. People over here aren't looking for enlightment anymore.Too worried about paying all the bills.

04-21-2007, 02:30 PM	#7
sacha Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 163	Yes, it is breaking through the boundaries of ego, which may be experienced as an "explosion" if it happens suddenly, as through psychedelics or other mystical experiences that happen suddenly. It can be a frightening experience when it happens suddenly and without preparation, but afterward the fear is sensed to be worth it. A single psychedelic experience rarely leads to permanent freedom from ego; rather, it gives you the experience of the state of ecstasy, freedom and peace that is possible through ego breakthrough. It still requires long-term discipline to maintain the state. But the "explosion" is unlikely to happen more than once because, whether encountered in short bursts through subsequent psychedelic experiences or approached gradually by meditation, after experiencing it once, one won't have the resistance to it the way one might have the first time, after one knows that ego-transcendance leads to ecstasy and peace. It is the initial resistance that can make the experience "explosive." Transcending ego means that ceasing to identify with the identity you have constructed to function in space and time, and realize that you are a being that exists outside of the dimensions of space and time -- that does not have a "where" and a "when," and is not separated from other consciousnesses by the illusion of physical distance. __________________ http://www.forums.ayahuasca.com

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04-21-2007, 01:23 AM	#2
Caprinardo Delirio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 822	i think that the death-rebirth scenarios that exist within almost every culture are depictions of this experience. read the books of stanislav grof and joseph campbell, they contain immense information of the spiritual transformation rites of various cultures and also in modern psychedelic sessions. i've experienced a death-rebirth in a dream some twelve years ago. no psychedelics, yet it was the most profound and powerful experience i remember having. no explosion though, it was perhaps more over in another category, since there really were no dismemberment or anything of that kind, there were threats though, but after touching the sun me and others were swimming towards, we awoke on what i at the time thought to myself as a rose-shaped waterslide-type of platform over an endless ocean. more than ten years later i learned of this scenario's commonplace in various mythologies of traveling towards the sun and i saw, after seeing different pictures and descriptions of this, that it was actually a lotus flower we awoke 'dead' on. i keep thinking that this dream and other similar experiences were what pulled me towards all these subjects even though they were separated by many years and wasn't a conscious part of the beginnings of these fascinations. i think that people's individual characteristics determine to a large extend how your spiritual transformative experience will look and feel. i know that the bi-polar disorder's resolution will most likely contain some explosion like that because of the dramatic trap of the ego within a death-threatening experience and the numinous luminous quality of light and liberation that is sensed, and prematurely identified with, during the manic psychosis, which should successfully and ideally end in ego-death and subsequent rebirth. the ego-death could very well be an explosion like this, or it could be dismemberment or decapitation in the more mytho-visual realm of the matters.. i'm sure most people can experience a powerful ego-death, but some to people it will more of am inherit part of any major consciousness-elevation, if they've perhaps had biographical episodes of great danger, or have had other experiences that will reinforce their sense of ego (not any actual ego, since it doesn't exist) and so it's a first step for these individuals, whereas other flow effortlessly into the whatever we wish to call these dope realms. hopefully you'll have another chance to successfully experience this, you could also try a non-"drug" technique like holotropic breathwork, which delivers ego-death extraordinare! hope this wasn't too far off or too trivially well-known!

04-21-2007, 06:44 AM	#4
Caprinardo Delirio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 822	yes, massacres are within and without in america. newspapers try wholesomely to capture the essence of the tragedy, yet no-one has yet publicly to suggest lsd. and the brilliant proposal to encourage more to wear arms in it's stead.. well, it's just sad!

04-22-2007, 02:31 PM	#8
Caprinardo Delirio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 822	i believe that anyone who experiences moksha or nirvana in this life will still preserve an ego, although one radically different read afterwards, and that liberation as such actually is a peak experience, plus of course, the liberated life one is free to live afterwards, not some enduring stage of supreme development as wilber will have you believe. just how i see it, yet i'm not anyone's authority except my own.. i mean, what an godawful mindfuck to have your culture or their psychopaths play on you where that to be the case.

04-22-2007, 03:03 PM	#9
craazyman Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 1,414	what do you folks mean by "ego"? isn't the ego always changing, dying, rebirthing, evolving? with time and experience? or stagnating without? This all sounds to me like a big language game without any foundation in reality.

04-22-2007, 03:27 PM	#10
suebee Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,361	this happened to me about 6 months ago stoned on mj: two friends were talking about their friend who had died the day before unexpectedly. i began to imagine how it would be if they were talking about me and what the world would look like without me in it and suddenly i was in that 'place' castaneda described as the impersonal nature of the universe. nothing looked familiar and the energy of everything changed; i was an unknown to myself. my friends kept telling me to sit down as i was just pacing back and forth and i was able to act normal but i wasnt. at least i returned after about 10 minutes to whatever it was i think i am. unsettling is putting it mildly. maybe with a shaman's input i could navigate it but i dont want to feel that pure flat impersonality on my own again.

04-27-2007, 07:50 AM	#12
suebee Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,361	there was a little blip of an article in time magazine about the renewed interest in using psychedelics in treatment of mental disorders forty four years after such research was derailed by "the drug free-for-all" which followed. richard doblin (who founded the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - MAPS) at harvard has "painstakingly worked with intensely skeptical federal authorities" for over 30 years to help get scientists funding and approval for studies. it took twenty years to get approval for the studies involving ketamine which showed "clear benefits" to severely depressed patients. another newly released study on treatment of OC disorder patients with psilocybin indicated "acute reduction of core symptoms." new studies are beginning with lsd... of course, there is myriad evidence that peyote and ayahuasca have been used successfully for decades now to treat alcoholism and other mental and emotional addictions in a community setting. school officials used to refuse to fund yoga classes at my junior college but the classes are getting bigger and bigger each year now. some good news!!!